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ATW QOTD

By Pete Moore On September 13th, 2018

“Europe belongs to the Europeans”

The Dalai Lama

Hear hear. Well said that man/god/whatever a Dalai Lama is. Such powerful, inspiring words.

He was speaking in the once-Swedish city of Malmo, now an immigrant war and rape zone. Apparently it was an off the cuff remark, before adding that so-called refugees should go home to rebuild their own countries. Yes, obviously they should do so. They don’t belong here. Europe belongs to the Europeans.

54 Responses to “ATW QOTD”

  1. He’s talking better sense than the Pope.

  2. He was speaking in the once-Swedish city of Malmo, now an immigrant war and rape zone.

    Paul says – no, it isn’t but if it is, so what?

  3. Europe doesn’t ‘belong’ to anyone. That’s a childish, tribal small minded view. Countries are just places where people live. If they belong to anyone, (whatever that means), they belong to the people who treat each other with respect and obey the law.

    about Europeans Pete, I assume you mean all of the people who were born in Europe, including the Descendants of immigrants?

  4. There was meddling in the Swedish election:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnRs01KPHkY

  5. Dave Alton –

    Not everyone born in Europe is European, while some born outside of Europe are European. It’s both cultural and genetic.

  6. about Europeans Pete, I assume you mean all of the people who were born in Europe, including the Descendants of immigrants?

    Oh here we go…….

    Dave – a dog born in a stable is a descendant of dogs and is still a dog, and not a horse. It’s a very simple analogy but very accurate. A baby born in Paris of African parents is African and not European, and can never be European. Likewise with the Mischlings

  7. Dave – what are white South Africans? Are they African or European?

  8. Allan

    Dave – what are white South Africans? Are they African or European?

    if they’re born in South Africa, they’re South African Allan. How many f****** times do I have to answer this question.

  9. Alan would prefer to have Fred West as a neighbour than Trevor Mc Donald.

  10. Allan

    Dave – a dog born in a stable is a descendant of dogs and is still a dog, and not a horse. It’s a very simple analogy but very accurate. A baby born in Paris of African parents is African and not European, and can never be European. Likewise with the Mischlings

    You really are a f****** mental case aren’t you Allan. What the hell has a dog being born in a stable got to do with anything. A dog doesn’t change species just because it’s born in a stable. It’s not even in analogy at all. Different races of people are all the same species. They’re all still human beings.

  11. Unfortunately Europeans seemed to believe that not only did Europe belong to the Europeans but large parts of other continents belonged to Europeans as well.

  12. Pete Moore,

    Not everyone born in Europe is European, while some born outside of Europe are European. It’s both cultural and genetic.

    There’s probably no point having this conversation again Pete. What I’m talking about as we discussed many, many times before. The point I’m trying to make is someone born in a country, is usually given the nationality of that country.
    Your cultural argument doesn’t apply at all. culture is something that you’re exposed to, it’s not genetic trait. Your genetic argument has some merit.

  13. FewsOrange

    Well said.
    Remember though, ‘we were the Greatest Gift to an undeserving world.’

  14. Dave

    You are familiar aren’t you with Allan’s views on which species black people belong to ?

  15. He is right. He also added there is a moral obligation to help refugees. As a new found admirer of a non-European religious leader no doubt Mr. Moore would agree.

  16. Colm,

    You are familiar aren’t you with Allan’s views on which species black people belong to ?

    I am Colm. This is another conversation Allan and I’ve had several times. despite me preventing undeniable evidence that black people are the same species as white people, Allan still thinks that they are somehow related more to Apes than human beings.
    But then again Allan has use the phrase ‘more evolved’ which just goes to show that he hasn’t got a clue about science, evolution or anything really.

  17. Dave

    Allan doesn’t really think Black people are a sub human species. He uses that argument to make a controversial reactive point. He just has a pathalogical loathing of Black people, but he is of course perfectly aware of the obvious fact that they are as human as all other races. Even Allan is not so stupid as to believe the crap that he spouts on ATW 😉

  18. Dave – have you ever been to Europe and seen the construction of say Strasbourg, Amsterdam, Milan, Prague as examples? Africans have done nothing like that because they cannot do anything like that. Different species create different habitats.

  19. Allan@Aberdeen,

    Dave – have you ever been to Europe and seen the construction of say Strasbourg, Amsterdam, Milan, Prague as examples? Africans have done nothing like that because they cannot do anything like that.

    Europe was first with scientific advancements, brought about by periods such as the Renaissance and the Industrial Revolution. Just because they happened in Europe, does not mean the given enough time they wouldn’t have happened in Africa.
    Plenty of Africans and people of African descent, work in highly specialised and scientific Fields.

    Different species create different habitats.

    you keep repeating this lie Allan, that Africans are a different species to white people. Would you like to provide evidence for this. And bulshit conspiracy websites do not constitute evidence. For the umpteenth time Allan, different races are not different species.

  20. Colm,

    Even Allan is not so stupid as to believe the crap that he spouts on ATW 😉

    I’m not sure that’s true Colm. I think Allan does believe a lot of the nonsense he spouts.

  21. I remember a time when David wouldn’t have tolerated Allan’s overt racism and crass anti-semitism for two quick minutes

    It appears aligning with the Alt-Right lowers one’s moral bar.

  22. Pete, you’re intellectually and morally better than this. Stop it.

  23. Allan doesn’t really think Black people are a sub human species.

    Really Colm? Is that why he refers to them as chimps?

    Allan regards the Joos as untermenschen but he has made it clear here many times that he regards black skins as a sub-race of white skins. So the Joos are an inferior white race but the blacks are nigger-untermenschen who do not deserve to live alongside the white master race.

    No doubt Allan will correct me if I’m mis-representing his racism views.

  24. Allan isn’t overtly racist he’s a freakin Nazi and proud of it…. we have to keep people like him around so we can never forget point at the freaks and laugh… but I give Allan credit he spews his hate openly.

    but don’t let that stop you Daphne from overtly using it to attack David.

  25. If refugees have nothing to fear about returning to their homeland then they should. If it is so easy for refugees to return to their homeland then I imagine the Dalai Lama will be leading by example and will shortly be returning to Tibet.

    Though I imagine that wouldn’t end well for his Holiness.

  26. “If refugees have nothing to fear about returning to their homeland then they should”. Why? They may like their new homeland better than their old homeland. Millions of Irish refugees came to the US and very few returned to Ireland.

  27. //If refugees have nothing to fear about returning to their homeland then they should. //

    Few will voluntary return until the conditions that drove them away change – a culturally and politically oppressive society, economic doldrums, a political mess, lack of basic civil rights and freedoms, casual violence, general hopelessness.

    Those things are hardly likely to change in the near future, and they won’t, can’t, change until people there realise that all these problems are interconnected and drive each other, that there can’t be economic progress in an oppressive society with an oppressive religion, and proper democracy and civil freedoms go hand in hand. The currrent wave of immigrants are for the most part running away from a society that they created themselves. They see the consequences and want to get away from them, but are afraid to change the causes, afraid even to live with them.
    That’s why they must never be allowed to bring that sick society to Europe or anywhere else.

  28. Europe was first with scientific advancements, brought about by periods such as the Renaissance and the Industrial Revolution. Just because they happened in Europe, does not mean the given enough time they wouldn’t have happened in Africa.

    Dave – as a certain much-caricatured tennis player said: you cannot be serious. How can that statement possibly be tested?

    Africans were encountered by Greeks, Romans and Persians millennia ago and were found to be utterly primitive and failed to even conceive of the wheel. When Europeans imperialists 300 years ago ventured into Africa, they found what the previous advanced peoples had found – utterly primitive.

    Plenty of Africans and people of African descent, work in highly specialised and scientific Fields

    scientific fields……of white man’s magic

    But on evolution, that entire theory is running into problems. When Darwin derived his theory, he didn’t have the tools of micro-biology to assist. Now, microbiologists themselves are coming across ‘irreducible complexity’ which is a position where step-change improvements to processes which are fundamental to evolution cannot happen – the microbiologists are calling evolution as wrong:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Darwins-Black-Box-Biochemical-Challenge/dp/0743290313

    Ten years ago, Darwin’s Black Box launched the Intelligent Design movement: the argument that nature exhibits evidence of design, beyond Darwinian randomness. Today the movement is stronger than ever, and the book is a classic and an international bestseller. At last, Michael Behe has updated the book with a major new afterword on the state of the debate. The Intelligent Design movement was born when a handful of scientists realized that nature exhibits characteristics that could not have evolved by random mutation. Prominent among them was Michael Behe, a microbiologist working in a field that Darwin could not even have imagined existing. Microbiology has discovered staggering complexity at the cellular level of life and during his research Behe made a stunning discovery: Some parts of life are irreducibly complex. They cannot function without all of their parts. Yet step-by-step genetic mutations would never produce all of those parts together at once. Some parts of the biological world must have been designed. From one end of the spectrum to the other, DARWIN’S BLACK BOX has established itself as the key text in the intelligent design movement, the one argument that must be addressed in order to determine whether Darwinian evolution is sufficient to explain life as we know it, or not.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Heretic-Scientists-Journey-Darwin-Design/dp/1936599503

    What happens when an up-and-coming European bioscientist flips from Darwin disciple to Darwin defector? Sparks fly. Just ask biotechnologist Matti Leisola. It all started when a student loaned the Finnish scientist a book criticizing evolutionary theory. Leisola reacted angrily, and set out to defend evolution, but found his efforts raised more questions than they answered. He soon morphed into a full-on Darwin skeptic, even as he was on his way to becoming a leading bio-engineer.

    I’ve read these books and they are written by scientists – no way in for ‘God-squad’ obscurantism there

  29. but the blacks are nigger-untermenschen who do not deserve to live alongside the white master race.

    Peter – are you aware of how big Africa is? Africa, in real dimensions, swallows Europe and North America as seen below:

    http://www.pinkballoon.nl/africa-comparison-map.html

    The sub-Saharan area where blacks live does that alone. Now, we know that it’s huge, and resource-rich, and yet they (blacks) fail to make any of it work – and now they’re to be moving into Europe? Why do they have to be in Europe at all – they have Africa!!

  30. Allan

    The Intelligent Design movement was born when a handful of scientists realized that nature exhibits characteristics that could not have evolved by random mutation. Prominent among them was Michael Behe, a microbiologist working in a field that Darwin could not even have imagined existing. Microbiology has discovered staggering complexity at the cellular level of life and during his research Behe made a stunning discovery: Some parts of life are irreducibly complex. They cannot function without all of their parts. Yet step-by-step genetic mutations would never produce all of those parts together at once.

    Utter creationist nonsense from start to finish. Just when I think your scientific understanding can’t get any worse Allen, you go and prove me wrong. I don’t even know where to begin with this pile of crap you’ve spouted. For a start, Irreducible complexity has been disproven time and time again.

    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe.html

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13663-evolution-myths-the-bacterial-flagellum-is-irreducibly-complex/

    You play certain cards close to your chest Allan, but what I’ve come to realise is you’re actually a religious creationist. Possibly a young Earth creationist. You cherry pick from the Obscure and discredited scientific literature, to backup your own biases and prejudices.

  31. Allan

    Dave – as a certain much-caricatured tennis player said: you cannot be serious. How can that statement possibly be tested?

    LOL. F****** hilarious Allan. You who constantly posts unsubstantiated, untestable bull**** on this site, you criticise me for making a statement that you claim couldn’t be tested. F****** priceless.

    And my statement is easily proven true Allan. For those who accept and understand evolution, mankind would have always achieved a higher level of intelligence, (providing some catastrophe didn’t wipe us out), regardless of race. You know, what with us all being the same species. But I don’t expect you to understand that Allan.

  32. //Irreducible complexity has been disproven time and time again. //

    Yes, Dawkins refutes that notion soundly in The God Delusion. If anyone thinks they can in turn refute Dawkins’ arguments, bring it on. Otherwise the Dawkins explanation is good enough for me.

  33. “Why? They may like their new homeland better than their old homeland. Millions of Irish refugees came to the US and very few returned to Ireland.”

    Firstly, outside of the famine years the majority of Irish people who went to the United States where not refugees, but immigrants.

    Secondly I meant people who have arrived in their host country recently. If the conditions at home have improved and they have not assimilated with their new country yet then they should return home.

    People who have been in a country for decades should be considered of that country and not their original nation.

  34. The Pope replied, “And Tibet belongs to the Chinese”.

    A bit controversial, but the Pope has form Viz a viz Ireland and England 🙂

  35. Paul says – no, it isn’t but if it is, so what?

    Except Paul didn’t say any such thing did he? How could Paul draw such an authoritative conclusion about a city he’s only visited once for a short while?

    What I think Paul did was comment how his daughter lived in Malmo for almost a year and in the time Paul’s daughter lived there she experienced nothing but friendship, kindness and warmth.

    Of course what Allan did was take Paul’s comment and absolutely twist it beyond all fucking recognition to missrepresent it as his own devious interpretation of what Paul said.

    Now, no doubt Allan will respond to this with a million links about how savage Malmo is but please bear in mind that that’s not the content of this comment and the subject is Allan’s barefaced fucking shameless lies about what Paul allegedly said.

  36. Dave – from the evidence of your posts on this thread, I have no expectations of you grasping science, so we shall retain the same low opinion of each other and thus agree to disagree.

  37. Allan@Aberdeen,

    Dave – from the evidence of your posts on this thread, I have no expectations of you grasping science, so we shall retain the same low opinion of each other and thus agree to disagree.

    I have the advanced qualifications, experience and work history to prove that I more than a ‘grasp’ on science Allan. You however, show time and time again, not just to myself, but to everybody who reads this forum, that you have no clue when it comes to science and the scientific method. You’re a creationist, mainstream science denying conspiracy theorist.

  38. I have the advanced qualifications, experience and work history to prove that I more than a ‘grasp’ on science

    Congratulations Dave – and I too have these advanced qualifications, experience and work history. Unfortunately, my views have developped well beyond this typical secondary school naivety:

    Europe doesn’t ‘belong’ to anyone. That’s a childish, tribal small minded view. Countries are just places where people live. If they belong to anyone, (whatever that means), they belong to the people who treat each other with respect and obey the law.

    Straight out of 5th year at school, and yet Paul shares that opinion. I asked Paul what he wanted and he said this………

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUFT35S7Jb4

    As for……..

    Of course what Allan did was take Paul’s comment and absolutely twist it beyond all fucking recognition to missrepresent it as his own devious interpretation of what Paul said.

    Now, no doubt Allan will respond to this with a million links about how savage Malmo is but please bear in mind that that’s not the content of this comment and the subject is Allan’s barefaced fucking shameless lies about what Paul allegedly said.

    I put up a caricature of Paul’s opinions, but a caricature is still that opinion in the same way as a caricature of Serena Williams is still Serena Williams. The caricature was……..

    He was speaking in the once-Swedish city of Malmo, now an immigrant war and rape zone.

    Paul says – no, it isn’t but if it is, so what?

    Paul – do you agree with Pete that Malmo is an immigrant war and rape zone?

  39. If Europe belongs to its indegenous people, which is the crux of your argument, I guess that means the Americas belong to their indegenous peoples, and whities can fuck away off?

  40. Seamus, on September 14th, 2018 at 6:24 PM Said:

    If Europe belongs to its indegenous people, which is the crux of your argument, I guess that means the Americas belong to their indegenous peoples, and whities can fuck away off?

    No. The ‘indigenous people’ in the Americas made and sustained no civilisations, they merely wandered the land. There are, of course, true indigenous peoples in the Middle East, India and the orient because they have tenure and demonstrable civilisation.

  41. How do you know they made and sustained no civilisations? Firstly many peoples where nomadic, including many of the European peoples. That those people and civilisations were subsequently destroyed by European settlers is irrelevant.

    Also we are talking about ownership. If Europe belongs to the Europeans (aka white people) then surely the Americas belong to their native populations, to do with it what they please.

  42. The Aztecs, Maya and Inca were civilizations.

  43. Daphne –

    You were once much more than a whiner and a bitcher. Stop it and contribute.

  44. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html

    Stone-age Europeans were the first to set foot on North America, beating American Indians by some 10,000 years

  45. Phantom, on September 14th, 2018 at 6:58 PM Said:

    The Aztecs, Maya and Inca were civilizations.

    You call this a civilisation?

    https://www.msn.com/en-xl/latinamerica/top-stories/discovery-of-thousands-of-human-sacrifice-skulls-uncovers-chilling-secrets-of-ancient-aztec-city/ar-AAzkAXy

  46. The Solutrean hypothesis, that peoples from France, where the first to reach the Americas is a fring theory, supported by very few archaeologists.

    “Originally proposed in the 1970s, the theory has received some support in the 2010s, notably by Dennis Stanford of the Smithsonian Institution and Bruce Bradley of the University of Exeter. However, according to Meltzler (2009), “Few if any archaeologists—or, for that matter, geneticists, linguists, or physical anthropologists—take seriously the idea of a Solutrean colonization of America.”

    In addition to an interval of thousands of years between the Clovis and Solutrean eras, the two technologies show only incidental similarities. There is no evidence for any Solutrean seafaring, far less for any technology that could take humans across the Atlantic in an ice age. Recent genetic evidence supports the idea of Asian, not European, origins for the peopling of the Americas.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

  47. “You call this a civilisation?”

    Yes.

  48. In the mouth of the Mississippi are archaeological findings of Egyption culture. There are maps that date back before Columbus, The Vikings and the migration from Asia that show North America and the now ice covered coast of antarctica in detail.

    No one knows how long man has walked the face of the Earth with certainty.

    A nation belongs to who holds it and that’s usually won by force.

  49. Seamus

    “the majority of Irish people who went to the United States where not refugees, but immigrants.” what is the difference between a refugee and an immigrant?

    Nearly all Irish people came to the US because conditions at home were dire and feared their survival if they did not depart their home country. It is only in recent years that some Irish came to the US for non-economic reasons.

  50. I put up a caricature of Paul’s opinions

    In other words you lied. Good, I’m glad we nailed that.

    Paul – do you agree with Pete that Malmo is an immigrant war and rape zone?

    I can’t comment definitively as I only visited the city once for a short time but suffice to say that neither my wife nor I were witness to a war zone or were raped. Also, in the year that they were there neither was my girl nor the two Spanish girls she lived with.

    That’s my personal experience although the highly selective stories that yourself and Pete love so much paint a different picture.

  51. Paul McMahon, on September 15th, 2018 at 3:40 PM Said:

    I put up a caricature of Paul’s opinions

    In other words you lied. Good, I’m glad we nailed that.

    Utter bollocks – a caricature is not a lie but contains essential truth. You don’t give a fuck about Malmo, Swedes nor Sweden but, then again, if the election results are to be believed, neither do most Swedes. As for the bloviation of a ‘response’ which, strictly speaking, is true within your bubble, merely re-framing the question to the likes of

    Paul – do you agree with Pete that Antartica is cold

    OR

    Paul – do you agree with Pete that Rotherham is a mass-rape zone of British girls by pakis facilitated by British police

    the stylised responses would respectively be……..

    I can’t comment definitively as, when I visited Antartica, the living quarters were warm and comfortable

    AND

    I can’t comment definitively because when we visited Rotherham neither my wife nor I was raped.

    I’ll use the term ‘bubble-ising’ which is to claim that a reported phenomenon cannot be true because one didn’t experience it oneself whilst in the locality of said reported phenomenon. Mass rapes in Rotherham – not true, I didn’t get raped: Antartica cold – not so, it was warm in my accommodation.

  52. Utter bollocks – a caricature is not a lie but contains essential truth.

    In that case then your ‘caricature’ is lies:

    Except Paul didn’t say any such thing did he? How could Paul draw such an authoritative conclusion about a city he’s only visited once for a short while?

    What I think Paul did was comment how his daughter lived in Malmo for almost a year and in the time Paul’s daughter lived there she experienced nothing but friendship, kindness and warmth.

    Of course what Allan did was take Paul’s comment and absolutely twist it beyond all fucking recognition to missrepresent it as his own devious interpretation of what Paul said

    The rest of your comment is babbeling bullshit.

  53. Paul – as I stated, you don’t give a fuck about any people nor country of Europe except within your own bubble, and anything that I write which lampoons or caricatures that essential truth retains exactly that essential truth just as a caricature of Serena Williams showed the essential truth of Sereena Williams. On that fact, I have some good news for you……..

    https://twitter.com/Winston1984_101/status/1039516286693167104

    “It’s too late for politics now in Britain. The system is so rigged and the demographic change over the next few years is going to be so drastic that nobody can stop it.” – Nick Griffin in a recent podcast with Andrew Hitchcock

    Nick Griffin reckons that the demographics are so bad that it’s all over for western Europeans: you must be delighted

  54. Paul – as I stated, you don’t give a fuck about any people nor country of Europe except within your own bubble

    Jesus, that’s a bit rich coming from you. In a recent conversation I linked to a guy being stabbed to death in you own city and it didn’t even warrant one single comment from you. Of course the attackers were white, so their victims don’t count as you wouldn’t be able to push your paranoid obsession. As a matter of fact, you ‘care’ about people so much that you have mocked rape victims.

    I was going to suggest that you demonstrate your faux ‘care’ by going to Sweden and doing something practical to eliminate the danger faced by everyone every single person every single minute of the day there but as you didn’t even have the bollocks to meet one of ATW’s regular contributers on your own home ground it’s pretty unlikely that you’ll do anything other tham moan bitterly about mooncattery from your middle class bunker.

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