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The First Cut is The Deepest

By Mahons On October 12th, 2018

The Saudis went Sopranos on a journalist who was critical of the regime. Apparently Mr. Khashoggi (a Saudi national) went into the Saudi consulate in Turkey to obtain some paperwork and never walked out. Reports indicate a 15 person hit team went to Istanbul and killed him in the Consulate (and carved him up in multiple pieces to remove his remains). Even anti-Press figures like Turkey’s leader are appalled and demanding answers. Trump even seems to be deviating from his usual pro Saudi statements. This story is getting attention but what will happen? Thoughts?

134 Responses to “The First Cut is The Deepest”

  1. Nothing.

    The Saudis wil place another billion $ arms deal and everything will be swept under the carpet and sweet.

  2. Nothing will happen.

    Ankara is acting outraged because it will pocket a few diplomatic concessions from a geopolitical foe. But what does it care for a Saudi journalist? Nothing.

    Washington will look again at how much oil the US imports, then do nothing.

    When everyone has forgotten about Khashoggi they’ll all go back to kissing Saudi backsides.

  3. Trump is great buddies with the Saudi Islamic dictator

    Wonder what conversations have been had on this

  4. I think this is one story where we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet. Even if the Saudis admitted to murdering him nothing will be done. When it comes to standing up to oh so touchy oil rich house of Saud, World leaders are spineless.

  5. Trump will make sure nothing harms US arms exports to Saudi Arabia.

  6. Yes Phantom. No president was ever friendly with the Saudis before Trump.

    Not even the muslim one.

  7. This isn’t a party political blame game. All US Presidents and European leaders have tiptoed around Saudi sensitivities . Only Canada recently has shown some willingness to refuse to toe the line.

  8. The Saudi’s should be shunned, but they are contracted for $160 Billion arms package and they are the fodder against Iran.

    So we hoot and holler, but nothing else.

  9. The canadians putting their foot down….. lmao what does that mean

  10. Not a better title, mahons?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpdB0FKsQzc

  11. Pete

    Your boy Pretended that he had some interest in training a swamp

    He is a soul brother to terrorist murdererers, Just as Reagan and other presidents before him were

  12. Patrick

    Canada may not have the strength to rattle the Saudis but it shows they have stronger morals than bigger nations.

  13. Correct

    The Canadians tend to take the correct position

    Under Trump. Considerations of morality and human rights are scoffed at

  14. They can afford to since they are hiding under our skirt

  15. Canadians fought with distinction in the good wars that we have fought. While avoiding The immoral ones like Iraq and Vietnam

    They are no cowards

  16. Canadians snuck many of our folks out of Iran during the hostage crisis, sheltered our citizens during 9/11 and landed on the beaches of Normandy on D Day. It takes an exceptionally ignorant American to insult such an ally.

  17. Trump has already indicated that he will ignore this crime in the interests of what Eisenhower called the US military industrial complex, and I can think of someone in Moscow who will be full of admiration for this state execution with impunity on foreign soil. So it might be more interesting to understand the background and how this murder was carried out:

    “As someone who spent three decades working closely with intelligence services in the Arab world and the West, the Saudi dissident and Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi knew he was taking a huge risk in entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last week to try to obtain a document certifying he had divorced his ex-wife…

    A one-time regime insider turned critic of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman — the de facto head of the Saudi kingdom which tolerates no criticism whatsoever — Khashoggi had been living in Washington for the previous year in self-imposed exile amid a crackdown on independent voices in his homeland.

    Following uneventful visits to the consulate and, earlier, the Saudi embassy in Washington, Khashoggi was lured into a murderous plan so brazen, so barbaric, that it would seem far-fetched as a subplot in a John le Carré novel. He went inside the Istanbul consulate, but failed to emerge. Turkish police and intelligence officials claimed that a team of 15 hitmen carrying Saudi diplomatic passports arrived the same morning on two private jets. Their convoy of limousines arrived at the consulate building shortly before Khashoggi did…”

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/death-of-a-dissident-saudi-arabia-and-the-rise-of-the-mobster-state/

  18. Trump could care less.

    He would have great admiration for treating a troublesome journalist this way

    Excellent Putin methods he would say

  19. A Washington Poat journalist no less

    He will give the Saudi dictator a medal

  20. Phantom –

    What do you suggest that your president does about a Saudi being murdered in Turkey?

  21. Mahons

    This story is getting attention but what will happen? Thoughts?

    Sadly nothing will happen Mahons. Same as always happens in these situations.

  22. I would be very interested in knowing if US intelligence services had any advance knowledge that this was going to happen

    I would also be very interested in knowing if Mr. Trump Was told of any such intel

    Trump Has spoken of his close relationship with the Saudi dictator

    I would love to see a congressional investigation but I don’t expect to have one.

    I would not rule out at all the Trump gave them the green light To get rid of an enemy of the people, Which of course is the exact term that Trump uses against our journalists

    If I were a reporter for the New York Times or Washington Post, I would be very careful

  23. Trump could care less. He would have great admiration for treating a troublesome journalist this way

    Trump will be a pussy (Saudi pals, crush on all dictators, arms sales), but Erdogan’s reaction will be more interesting, given that the crime was committed in Turkey, and with impunity. The irony of Erdogan “investigating” the murder of a journalist has been remarked on. Be sure that he will get his allies the Saudis off the hook if he can.

  24. Peter, on October 12th, 2018 at 8:19 PM Said:

    Trump has already indicated that he will ignore this crime in the interests of what Eisenhower called the US military industrial complex, and I can think of someone in Moscow who will be full of admiration for this state execution with impunity on foreign soil.

    Peter – when your own journos go ‘rogue’, don’t you feel like killing them?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/skripals-bellingcat-gru-novichok-anatoly-chepiga-alexander-mishkin-putin-russia-a8577161.html

    Bellingcat has grown rather a lot beyond its shoestring origins. It has money – where from? It has been hiring staff. It has transatlantic connections. It has never, so far as I am aware, reached any conclusion that is inconvenient to the UK or US authorities

    On the possible murder of a man in a Saudi Embassy in Ankara, Saudi Arabia is a tyranny and these things happen. I boycott Saudi Arabia by not going on holiday there and I urge all at ATW to do likewise

  25. Yes this is very interesting As respects turkey

    The murder in Turkey is a complete disrespecting of Turkish sovereignty

  26. Allan Is a funny guy

    I visited Saudi Arabia in the Navy

    I’m in no hurry to go back

  27. The murder in Turkey is a complete disrespecting of Turkish sovereignty

    Wait till you hear what they did on 9/11.

    But in any case Phantom, what do you suggest that your president does about a Saudi being murdered in Turkey?

  28. He wasn’t just a Saudi. He was a Saudi who had been living in the US.The only good guy in this situation what is the murder victim; The Saudi and Turkish governments are run by criminals And murderers , enemies of the west

    I don’t know what a proper president could or should do in this situation

    But we don’t have a good or a proper president now. The best that I could’ve hoped for before would be that he wouldn’t wink at the Saudi plan to murder a journalist; I hope he didn’t do that

  29. don’t you feel like killing them?

    No, do you?

  30. Peter, on October 12th, 2018 at 9:09 PM Said:

    don’t you feel like killing them?

    No, do you?

    What!? Not even those who ask awkward questions like – where are the Skripals?

    Don’t worry – the MSM aren’t asking that question other than one or two rogues.

    The murder in Turkey is a complete disrespecting of Turkish sovereignty

    The Embassy is Saudi territory which just happened to be in Turkey. Erdogan is miffed that he wasn’t informed about the murder (if true) before it happened

  31. The Saudis are already home free with this one. There will be no meaningful repercussions from either the USA or Turkey or anyone else because the Saudi victim was eminently expendable.

    So the Saudis (and others) will be further emboldened. “We can murder with impunity on foreign soil, so dissidents in exile beware. You are not safe and we are coming for you.” This is nothing new, as a dozen or so of Putin’s enemies have been murdered died in mysterious circumstances in England within the last ten years.

  32. He wasn’t just a Saudi. He was a Saudi who had been living in the US.

    Get over yourself! I’ve been to America. Do I have the protection of the president now? And you think that Troll is jingoistic! He was a Saudi who was killed in Turkey, that’s all.

    So try again: what do you suggest that your president does about a Saudi being murdered in Turkey?

  33. Allan

    Your Putin-grovelling gets more and more ludicrous. The Skripals are in hiding because your guy’s GRU goons tried to murder them. Both of the goons have been identified to the satisfaction of all but the useful-fool-Putin-deranged brigade.

  34. The murder victim had lived in Washington for at least a year, he was a resident

    I would like for president big mouth to make a very public condemnation of the murder and to name names

    The chance of that happening is less than zero

  35. A Washington Poat journalist no less

    He will give the Saudi dictator a medal

    Yes Phantom. If he had worked for Fox then Trumpy might not have been so indifferent.

  36. He wasn’t a citizen.

    If he’d been a Mexican cotton picker no-one would have heard of him. This is global news only because he was a journalist.

    “But Pete, he was dismembered in the embassy.” Breaking news: the Saudis dismember people in public.

    In a way this is about class – the journalistic class. Journalists don’t care about Mexican cotton picker and Filipino maids and Indian labourers. But as soon as one of their own class is done in – man the barricades! It’s a middle class, self-obsessed story of twee concerns.

    And you’re falling for the hype.

  37. Peter, on October 12th, 2018 at 9:26 PM Said:

    Allan

    Your Putin-grovelling gets more and more ludicrous. The Skripals are in hiding because your guy’s GRU goons tried to murder them.

    Peter – like the Saudi bloke who has (reportedly) been murdered in Turkey, there is no evidence to show that the Skripals are alive. Putin’s “goons” are supposedly identified by a bedroom-based blogsite (Bellingcat) which

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/09/putin-allegedly-gave-skripal-poisoning-suspect-heros-award

    …..contacted hundreds of academy graduates, asking if they knew Mishkin. Two said they did, and confirmed he was “Petrov”. They also said Russia’s security services had been in touch three weeks earlier, warning them not to divulge Mishkin’s identity.

    then had all of the national newspapers release its ‘findings’ on the same day – and the BBC too!!

    https://off-guardian.org/2018/10/11/bellingcat-outed-by-the-independent/

  38. Skripal’s daughter gave a tv interview about three months ago. She seemed to be breathing normally.

    One of the locals in Goon number 2’s village confirmed his identity this week. There is no reasonable doubt that both of the “Salisbury tourists” were GRU operatives. What Putin’s fans miss is that the denials are so feeble because they are not meant to be believed. Putin must have known that there was a high risk they would be identified, but he couldn’t give a stuff. He is sending a message that he will murder with impunity wherever his opponents happen to live, but how he must be laughing at the useful fools who are so keen to believe his deliberately feeble lies.

  39. Allan

    You’re a long time “just asking questions “guy

    What questions are you asking about The case of the Saudi journalist in the Embassy in Istanbul

  40. Phantom

    He’ll be asking if the Jews were involved 😉

  41. //t the crime was committed in Turkey, //

    I wonder what the legal situation is. An embassy is extra-territorial; it’s the same as foreign soil (or, in this case, sand) and is “policed” by the forces of the accredited country and AFAIK is subject to its laws. I believe this killing happened in a consulate, which may have a different legal status.

    A few years ago, a group of Palestinians stormed into and tried to take over the Israeli embassy in Berlin. One of the attackers got shot by an Israeli guard.
    The Israelis then handed the attackers over to the German police, and they were ultimately tried in a German court. The family of the Palestinian who’d been shot filed a suit against the Israeli guard, but the German court dismissed it as the guard was staff and enjoyed diplomatic immunity. But ultimately the decision was made by the embassy. It isn’t subject to local jurisdiction, and while embassies usually cooperate with local authorities they are not obliged to do so.

    Another case was many years ago when a policewoman on a London street was shot dead by some nutter firing from the Libyan embassy. It turned out the Libyan embassy was full of guns, but AFAIR the British authorities weren’t able to take action against it and the killer later went home as a diplomat.

  42. Noel

    Unfortunately, I believe that the legal situation is clear – that the apparent murder apparently took place and what is technically Saudi territory, so Saudi law applies

  43. Peter, on October 12th, 2018 at 10:00 PM Said:

    Skripal’s daughter gave a tv interview about three months ago. She seemed to be breathing normally.

    Three months ago!! And where is her father?

    One of the locals in Goon number 2’s village confirmed his identity this week.

    Not so

    https://off-guardian.org/2018/10/09/further-down-the-rabbit-hole-with-eliot-boshirov-petrov-his-grandma-and-all/

    The background narrative supplied by Bellingcat and its Russian allies for these alternative IDs is contradictory. Some people in Chepiga’s home town swear Boshirov is the man. Others say no, Chepiga was bald and had a different face. The same cloudiness is true of Mishkin/Petrov. Even Bellingcat admits only one anonymous alumnus of “Mishkin’s” alleged school was prepared to say that such a person with such a name had even attended there. All the other ex-students approached by Bellingcat claimed to have no memory of him at all. There are altogether too many anonymous informants here. Too many “my friend told me his grandma had a pic of him with Putin…” type memes for anything to be solid. What it amounts to is a collection of anecdote fed by alleged documentation, some of which of looks pretty real on cursory analysis

    This ‘Bellingcat’ – what is it? And still no sign of Sergei Skripal, and nothing from his daughter for three months.

  44. The Saudi and Turkish governments are run by criminals And murderers , enemies of the west

    Well after saying that Phantom you then go on to say

    The murder victim had lived in Washington for at least a year, he was a resident

    I would like for president big mouth to make a very public condemnation of the murder and to name names

    The chance of that happening is less than zero

    you mean like he did two days ago?

    President Donald Trump has vowed to “get to the bottom” of the case of missing Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

    Mr Trump told reporters he had talked to the Saudi authorities “at the highest level” about Mr Khashoggi.

    Mr Khashoggi, a US resident and critic of the Saudi monarchy, entered the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October and has not been seen since.

    Turkish authorities say Mr Khashoggi was killed. Saudi Arabia denies this.

    “We cannot let this happen to reporters, to anybody,” Mr Trump said on Wednesday.

    “We’re demanding everything. We want to see what’s going on there.”

    but what that doesn’t count….. oh hasn’t named the members of the hit team…. No our NATO ally the Islamic Kingdom of Turkey has the names, the recordings, and film…. Why haven’t they Put them on the BBC r Given then to the Hague ?

    Should we bomb Turkey? Should we Bomb Saudi?

    No just a stern talking to…. Well that’s been done.

    During the first two years of President Trump he has gotten 17 American Hostages back from foreign nations…. and he didn’t have to send Planes loaded with Billions in unmarked bills to do it.

  45. Every prisoner is not a “ hostage “

    Even one held by a bad government

    Words have meanings, or should

  46. The Saudis should pay a price for this outrage. At the very least they should not be made welcome in any Western country. Since the victim was a highly respected journalist it will probably get the attention it deserves. The Saudis are responsible for setting up madrases around the world which produced international jihad. The Saudis should be treated as the murderous barbarians they are. Trump is compromised on this because he benefits from Saudi custom at his hotels and who knows what else. His son-in-law has been a pal of the Saudi behind the gruesome murder. Congress should take some action after the election. Other countries should also and some businesses may too.

  47. While an embassy is not foreign soil the laws of the host country are not prevailing so Saudi law would apply. The hit squad itself would not enjoy diplomatic immunity for acts done outside the consulate that were part of their conspiracy. I agree that Turkey is unlikely to do more than expel some folks or close the consulate. The US to do even less.

  48. It becomes ridiculous when the ‘moralists’ demand that – something must be done, though we don’t know what 🙂 and the voice of moderation and realism is ‘Bomb The Bastards’ Patrick.

    This is the way that arabs and Turks are – the arabs would do a murder in Turkey, and Turks would do that too because that’s what they do in European countries that they are allowed to invade. Keep them in their own countries and let them do their thing for their values are not mine

  49. I see that The Guardian is reporting that the leader of Germany’s AfD, a patriotic party, is under attack for a speech which apparently paraphrases one of Hitler’s wise pronouncements:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/10/germanys-afd-leader-alexander-gauland-accused-of-echoing-hitler-in-newspaper-article

    German historians have condemned an article written by the leader of the rightwing populist Alternative für Deutschland party for its “striking parallels” to the words of Adolf Hitler.

    Alexander Gauland’s opinion piece in the conservative daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung attacked a “globalised class” that he said was detached from the lives of ordinary people and threatened German and European identity.

    Historians specialising in the Nazi era were quick to jump on the column, saying it was written in a very similar style to an address Hitler gave to the workers of Siemensstadt in Berlin in November 1933, when he took aim at a “small, rootless, international clique”.

    Gauland wrote that members of the “globalised class” held positions in mainstream organisations, including academia, the media, international corporations, NGOs and politics. They live, he wrote, “almost exclusively in big cities, speak fluent English, and when they move from Berlin to London or Singapore for jobs, they find similar flats, houses, restaurants, shops and private schools everywhere”. He said members of the group socialised only among themselves, were “culturally colourful” and had no attachment to their homelands.

    In Hitler’s speech, he talked of the “clique” as being “people who are at home both nowhere and everywhere, who do not have anywhere a soil on which they have grown up, but who live in Berlin today, in Brussels tomorrow, Paris the day after that, and then again in Prague or Vienna or London, and who feel at home everywhere”. His speech was met by cries of “the Jews” from the audience.

    Yet the speech by Gauland is accurate and truthful – and Hitler was accurate and truthful. The reason why this matters is because a more direct speech was made by Trump during his campaign – and he, like Ann Coulter, names “globalists”. It is possible to be ‘conservative’ (given the debased meaning of that term) and globalist but one cannot be populist and globalist – and this is the schism.

    Yes – there is a “small, rootless, international clique”

  50. Apparently, Mr Khashoggi recorded his interrogation, torture and death, to the cloud via his Apple watch.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6271991/Missing-Saudi-journalist-recorded-death-Apple-Watch.html

  51. Mahons

    So for example, the hit squad could be prosecuted for transporting the body Through Istanbul?

  52. Good question. An Ambassador would have full diplomatic immunity. Diplomatic staffor functional immunity. Employees none. Not sure of what charges could be brought exactly, if there is no murder conviction can one be convicted in another jurisdiction of conspiracy to commit murder? I don’t know answer.

  53. Trump Buddy Mohammad Bin Salman Would have clearly signed off on this.

    The journalist may have been an irritant, As many good journalists are

    But now Bin Salman Has only succeeded in making Saudi Arabia even more radioactive to the outside business and diplomatic world

    Bin Salman Is both ruthless and stupid.

  54. Every prisoner is not a “ hostage “

    Even one held by a bad government

    Words have meanings, or should

    If you’re holding an American unless it’s for drug or true criminal charges which none of the 17 were, you’re holding a hostage.

  55. One of the 17 is Sabrina De Sousa, who was convicted by Italy for her role in the kidnapping and torture an Egyptian cleric in Milan. Hardly not a ‘true criminal charge’. One was returned in a coma and died pretty much immediately after returning (and Trump gave up a lot to get just that). Three basketball players committed criminal offences (relatively trivial ones but still criminal offences).

  56. What to do with Saudi Arabia is the problem….. what can be done?

    As long as the world relies on oil nothing…. The Europeans rely on OPEC or Russia for their fuel both are their enemies. The United States inherited this evil from the brits and have exploited it ever since. They are our problem to deal with.

    The current ruler is very pro-american he has to be or the persians will destroy him. We will milk that to our advantage.

    It is an outrage that they did this, it is not however surprising and the reporter was an idiot for leaving the US. He knew he was marked for death.

  57. One was returned in a coma and died pretty much immediately after returning (and Trump gave up a lot to get just that)

    what did he give up…?

  58. International legitimacy to the North Korean regime.

  59. no they have nukes that gave them legitimacy.

  60. No it didn’t. They’ve had nukes since 2006. Trump is the first American President to meet the leader of the DPRK. He brought North Korea out from the cold and put them at the grown-up table.

  61. Oh this one wouldn’t meet direct and that one did this and that one did that…. all previous administrations refused to talk direct, but allowed them to become a nuclear power.

    Trump talked to them direct and parked 3 Aircraft Carrier groups off their coast only time will tell what happens now.

  62. All that non talking achieved what Seamus?

  63. “only time will tell what happens now.”

    Time has already told what has happened. Kim got what he wanted. He got his international legitimacy. He got to meet at the same level as the President of the United States. He was elevated to a major world leader.

    And the IAEA reported in August that North Korea is continuing to develop nuclear weapons.

  64. It’s also worth pointing out that the 3 Carrier Groups are no longer there. All three are at home port (one, the USS Nimitz is in dry dock on a 10 month overhaul).

  65. They’ve stopped firing rockets over japan and they are negotiating an actual real end to the Korean divide.

    To deny progress has been made is ridiculous. Are the games over…. NO but the ball has been moved forward farther than it has in 50yrs.

  66. “They’ve stopped firing rockets over japan and they are negotiating an actual real end to the Korean divide.”

    The negotiations between the North and South began long before Trump got involved Patrick.

    Yes the ball has been moved forward. But not by your Dear Glorious Leader.

  67. What is not a crime in The US Maybe a crime in Turkey

  68. The majority of the fighter/bombers were off loaded to Guam the fire power is still there and yes naval groups get rotated the gun is still pointed at their heads however.

  69. Ok Seamus you believe what you will. The US has nothing to do with the progress being made on the Korean Peninsula.

    The little wackjob just decided to start playing nice…. he found god.

  70. One is at Guam. Not any where near North Korea. And not three of them. There was an exercise in 2017 that is long over. In fact the only one in that general part of the Pacific is the Ronald Reagan who’s home port in Japan but is now in Guam. So it is actually even further away from North Korea that it normally would be.

  71. The little wackjob started to play nice with the South long before the big wackjob got involved in the process.

  72. Phantom, on October 13th, 2018 at 3:21 PM Said:
    What is not a crime in The US Maybe a crime in Turkey

    Really? Even more so as it goes further into the depths of sharia….. What is not a crime in the US can be a crime in GB…. including speech.

    It just galls you doesn’t it? Progress is being made on every front domestically and on the international level and you’re choking on it.

    You have to get past your personal distaste for the man and start opening your eyes to what is being accomplished.

  73. If someone tries to smuggle Bibles into North Korea, he has my full admiration

    But He is breaking North Korean law

    If he is arrested and convicted for that, he’s not a hostage

    He is someone who was Convicted of breaking Unjust law yeah

  74. It’s too early on a Saturday morning to have a meltdown

    Cheers

  75. Seamus they sent the fighters and the bombers to Guam which is 2000 miles from NK our shortest range jet is 3000 and all our planes do midflight refueling. The bulk of the fire power of those carrier groups is still there.

    Not to mention other assets. That whole region is under heavy American pressure and Japanese pressure…. did you see the Japs just announced they’ve deployed a fleet of stealth subs to compliment the ones we already have in the arena?

  76. Phantom, on October 13th, 2018 at 3:38 PM Said:
    It’s too early on a Saturday morning to have a meltdown

    Cheers

    Seamus or anyone I ask you was I mean in anyway to him with my comments this morning?????

  77. “Not to mention other assets. That whole region is under heavy American pressure and Japanese pressure…. “

    And again have been for decades now. The USS Ronald Reagan has its home base in Japan. Which means under Obama, North Korea was faced with as much firepower as it currently is. Trump hasn’t changed that.

  78. Patrick, not at all.

  79. The top level one on one Presidential summit between Kim and Trump was as premature and hasty as the Nobel Peace Prize award to Obama. Both should have happened only as the culmination of a solid body of achievement instead of being the gimmicks history will record them as.

  80. thank you Charles

    The first meeting was important no progress had been made before it. Seamus can say there was all he wants, but without a direct meeting NK developed nuclear bombs, they developed ICBMs, they had NO progress with settling things with SK.

    Since the meeting progress has been made, to deny it flies in the face of measurable facts.

  81. Patrick Van Roy,

    Since the meeting progress has been made, to deny it flies in the face of measurable facts.

    I think it’s more accurate to say that progress appears to have been made.
    Only time will tell if any actual progress has been made.

  82. it does not mean though that it can’t all go to shit.

  83. The tactics of the past failed, Trumps may also fail.

  84. The tactics of the past did fail, but I also think Trump should have dangled the carrot of a summit for a bit longer and required little Kim to jump through a few more hoops before letting him taste the Carrot !

  85. NK Has broken many promises before

    Nothing has been settled

    Beware

  86. The mask slips

    The Trump crime family is really sad that their buddy whacked this guy

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5bc14ddce4b0bd9ed55a59db

  87. // Bin Salman Has only succeeded in making Saudi Arabia even more radioactive to the outside business and diplomatic world//

    I don’t know about that. There’s a big investor conference in Saudi Arabia coming up in 10 days; several organisationas have declared they’re pulling out but Sec. of the Treasury Mnuchin said he will attend. Meanwhile, Bolton is warning us not to rush to judgement and that this is all just damaging the poor Saudis.

    Is there anyone who believes Trump when he says the US will inflict “severe punishment” on SA if they are found to be behind the murder?

    BTW, what happened to those 28 secret pages of the 9-11 report that were held back when the report was published a few years ago? Bolton was at the time (under Obama) calling for the entire unredacted report to be released immediately.

    Is he saying the same thing now, anyone know?

  88. Good catch Phantom at 6 pm.

    Trump has threatened the Saudis today, but he has made clear that arms sales will not be halted, so the threat is bullshit and the Saudis know it. The British are similarly compromised by their arms sales to that despotic regime, so Bin Salman is home free.

  89. IDonald Trump is the liar for all human history But the two sons are too stupid to stay on message all the time

    Remember how Eric talk about

  90. Remember how Ome of the sons spoke about all the Russian money Coming in?

  91. They can afford to since they are hiding under our skirt

    Eh? If the Canucks can afford to do it because of alleged US protection why can the US not do the same?

    What are the Saudis going to do to Canada? Use their billions of $ of US arms to invade them?

  92. The Canadians have principles. They can’t be bought.

  93. Don Junior is a piece of work, that’s for sure.

  94. A made man in the crime family

    And looks the part

  95. Definitely a Michael Corleone, never Sonny or Alfredo.

  96. Phantom, on October 13th, 2018 at 5:20 PM Said:

    NK Has broken many promises before

    Nothing has been settled

    Beware

    Typed on a warped keyboard. Let’s reminisce…….

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=72425

    Allan@Aberdeen, on December 23rd, 2017 at 9:34 PM Said:

    The movement of Nato to Russia’s borders is disgraceful:

    https://ericmargolis.com/2017/12/sorry-chump-you-didnt-have-it-in-writing/

    All the western powers promised Gorbachev and Shevardnadze that NATO would not expand eastward by ‘one inch’ if Moscow would pull the Red Army out of East Germany and allow it to peacefully reunify with West Germany. This was a titanic concession by Gorbachev: it led to a failed coup against him in 1991 by Communist hardliners.

    The documents released by George Washington University in Washington DC, which I attended for a semester, make sickening reading (see them online). All western powers and statesmen assured the Russians that NATO would not take advantage of the Soviet retreat and that a new era of amity and cooperation would dawn in post-Cold War Europe. US Secretary of State Jim Baker offered ‘ironclad guarantees’ there would be no NATO expansion. Lies, all lies.

    At the time, I wrote that the best solution would be for the demilitarization of formerly Soviet-controlled Eastern Europe. NATO had no need or business to expand eastward. Doing so would be a constant provocation to Russia, which regarded Eastern Europe as an essential defensive glacis against invasions from the West.

    Now, with NATO forces on its western borders, Russia’s deepest fears have been realized.

    Nobody in NATO has actually disputed that the assurances of no eastward expansion by NATO were made. There are sufficient records and statement to show that they were. What we’re seeing is the Establishment’s military-industrial complex (independent of politics) in the US going into overdrive and courting conflict with 3 – THREE – powers at the same time. That’s Russia, China and Iran – all at the same time. Each of these knows that if one were to fall, they would be next so they shall certainly act in mutual support even though there are few areas of directly shared interest.

    And the US keeps its promises?

  97. Allan

    I know that the US ( James Baker ) made those representations to Russia , and that multiple presidents broke that Understanding. I made those comments long before you did And I repeated them several times over the years

    What’s your point?

    That North Korea is correct To break all of its deals?

  98. Has North Korea made any deals ?

  99. Yes with prior administrations

    Their word means zero

  100. Phantom – the US is deal-incapable and Russia, Iran, and China know it. As for you mentioning the breach of understandings with Russia over eastern Europe, I had to get source materials cited before you believed it

  101. You are full of it

    I discussed that years before

    Pete and I discussed Professor Stephen Cohens writings on the matter

  102. https://www.thenation.com/article/the-us-betrayed-russia-but-it-is-not-news-thats-fit-to-print/

    Professor Cohen still commenting on the Issue of American broken promises to Russia…

  103. What would the reaction have been had the Iranians instead of the Saudis done this in Ankara?

  104. The Fakesters would have cared.

    .

  105. Your Putin-grovelling gets more and more ludicrous.

    Something tells me that mad Vlad might fall from grace in some quarters:

    https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/At-Putins-side-an-army-of-Jewish-billionaires

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-nationalist-streak-runs-though-putins-love-for-jews-and-israel/

  106. Trump and Putin are two thieves, both under the influence of men vastly richer than they are

    https://www.jta.org/2018/10/10/news-opinion/politics/report-trump-helped-sheldon-adelson-advance-japan-casino-plans

  107. I have long admired Jamie Dimon, under whose leadership JP Morgan Chase Emerged from the 2008 market failure unscathed – the only major US Bank to escape serious damage.

    Mr. Dimon Has announced that he will stay away from the Saudi conference In the aftermath of what looks to be the Saudi government murder of a journalist
    .
    The Saudis will probably retaliate against Chase. But that’s OK – there are some things that are more important than money.

    Good job Dimon, good job Chase.

    https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/10/15/jp-morgans-jamie-dimon-pulls-out-of-saudi-conference.html

  108. Jamie Dimon should be congratulated for not attending. It was a brave and principled thing to do. Hopefully others will follow his example.

  109. I read that JPM has significant business in the Kingdom, and hoped to have more.

    This action by the Saudi dictator was not only wrong, it was incredibly incompetent. Embassies are monitored. It will be noticed if a prominent person walks in, but does not walk out.

    The murderous Turks released the pastor, who probably was wrongfully imprisoned, and they’re sharing on the Saudi murder. So they’re the good guys now. Yeah, right. No good guys in that part of the world.

  110. they’re sharing ( hopefully accurate ) intel on the Saudi murder

  111. While we all kvetch over this poor bastard killed by the Saudis it is only one Man yet there is an epidemic pf journalist murders in the EU……

    (CNN)Bulgarian authorities are investigating the rape and murder of an investigative reporter in the northern city of Ruse, the third journalist to have been killed in the EU in the past year.

    This woman was raped and murdered last week also and it happened in the west, in the supposed greatest collaborative state in the world the all wonderful freedom loving EU….

    The organization added in its statement that Marinova’s last broadcast was an interview with Romanian journalist Attila Biro and a Bulgarian colleague, Dimitar Stoyanov, who were looking into allegations of fraud involving EU funds, and that the two reporters were detained by Bulgarian police in September.

    this is not the only one…..

    Three journalists have been killed in the EU in the past year. Caruana Galizia was killed in a car bombing in October in Malta and Jan Kuciak was murdered in Slovakia in February.

    So where I agree that this is horrendous I say it is nothing new and nothing that doesn’t happen in other places, but it does give the usual list of suspects a chance to get on their soap box…..

  112. The critical distinction is none of the others were killed in a consulate or embassy which is a crime beyond the other killings.

  113. ahhh so you’re more dead depending on where you’re killed….. and 1 reporter allegedly killed in a consulate outweighs 3 reporters killed on the street…

    Ok now I understand the rules…..

  114. No. But the crime is more significant if a nation utilizes it’s own consulate to target someone therein.

  115. here is the bottom line……

    DUBAI/WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Saudi Arabia on Sunday warned against threats to punish it over last week’s disappearance of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, as European leaders piled on pressure and two more U.S. executives scrapped plans to attend a Saudi investor conference.

    “The Kingdom affirms its total rejection of any threats and attempts to undermine it, whether by threatening to impose economic sanctions, using political pressures, or repeating false accusations,”

    “The Kingdom also affirms that if it receives any action, it will respond with greater action, and that the Kingdom’s economy has an influential and vital role in the global economy,”

    “It would lead to Saudi Arabia’s failure to commit to producing 7.5 million barrels. If the price of oil reaching $80 angered President Trump, no one should rule out the price jumping to $100, or $200, or even double that figure,”

    So I hope this story gets pushed further and further…. The EU and GB must PUNISH the Saudis.

    Remember The United States is now open for Oil Exports why buy oil from murdering bastards when you can buy it from us for half the price……..

  116. Are your point is what Pat?

    Is it because your man in the White House is getting a hard time over his head chopping friends in the SA government murdering a Wapo journalist and then allegedly dismembering him and him doing nothing that it’s a case of ‘yeah, whatabout the EU?’

    Do you think that criminals who take umbrage at journalists investigating their criminal activities don’t exist in the EU? The huge distinction of course as Mahons points out above is that there’s a massive difference between a criminal gang murdering a journalist because they don’t like what they’re writing and a Government murdering a journalist because they don’t like what they’re writing.

    I wonder would your response have been ‘yeah, but what about the EU’ had the journo been murdered in the Iranian Consulate in Ankara?

  117. Remember The United States is now open for Oil Exports why buy oil from murdering bastards when you can buy it from us for half the price……..

    Yeah, and why sell billions of dollars of arms to import oil from murdering bastards when you’ve allegedly got enough of your own supply to be self sustainable?

  118. Paul I am no friend to the Saudis. My history on them is well documented here. I consider them to be in the enemy column, always have.

    I have advocated the bombing of their oil fields and the bombing of Mecca.

    My POINT is all of you are only outraged over this reporter being killed because he was done so by the Saudi Government, the female Journalist might very well have been killed by the EU government….

    There have been 7 journalists killed in the EU since 2017

    https://www.euronews.com/2018/10/08/six-journalists-killed-in-europe-since-the-start-of-2017

    Seven journalists — many of them investigating corruption — have now been killed in Europe over the last two years.

    I have not heard any of you losing your cookies over any of them…. Why Not?

    If I go by you and Mahons logic you’d be ok with his murder if he gunned down in the street it’s only an outrage because it happened in a consulate.

  119. //There have been 7 journalists killed in the EU since 2017 //

    Bullshit. Again, do you even read your own links?

    Your article says that two of the 7 journalists were killed in Russia, which isn’t in the EU, one in Siberia, which isn’t even in Europe.
    One was killed in Turkey, which is again neither in Europe nor the EU.

    The journalists killed in Slovakia and Malta were probably killed by mafia organisations, both had been investigating organised crime. While it’s possible that politicians had some links to the organisations in question, it’s very unlikely that the govts of Slovakia or Malta ordered the murders. In fact, both governements have put up large rewards for information on the culprits and arrests have been made.

    The woman killed in Copenhagen was murdered by an individual sex fiend, who was recently convicted and jailed, not by Denmark’s government.
    The Bulgarian woman, Viktoria Marinova, was again most likely killed by a sex criminal, although other criminals might also be involved.

    In the case of the Saudi journalist, on the other hand, the murder was very likely ordered by the Saudi govt.

    For your information, there have been six journalists killed in the US over the past three years. Without an obvious pattern, these statistics are meaningless.

    BTW, were you not until recently calling for the murder of an Australian journalist?

  120. You are going by your “logic”, not mine. The murder of any journalist is a reprehensible crime. The significance is elevated when it is done in a diplomatic building.

  121. Bombing Mecca? That might by the most absurd comment this year.

  122. The female Journalist might very well have been killed by the EU government….

    Yes, and she may als have been killed by Mairtins. You see that’s the trouble with speculation, you can trundle out any old rubbish and it can never be proven.

    Some great Deep State Allanesque stuff there BTW.

    You’d be ok with his murder if he gunned down in the street it’s only an outrage because it happened in a consulate.

    No, I wouldn’t be okay with the murder of any journalist but there is a world of difference between a criminal / criminal gang murdering a journalist and a dissident jornalist going to a Government’s Consulate and disapperaing. The facts here are NOT speculation either.

    If it had happened i the Iranian Consulate I suspect your response would be very different?

    Of course what is getting you about it is your guy in the WH is being scruntinised on his turning a blind eye because of multi billion $ weapons deals to yet more murder by the Saudis and you don’t like that.

  123. Strong leadership:

    Jamal Khashoggi: Trump suggests ‘rogue killers’ to blame

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45863334

    How do ‘rogue killers’ get into such a secure location to murder and then allegedly dismember someone?

  124. Bombing Mecca would start WW3.

    No sober person would ever propose such a thing.

    Mahons, on October 15th, 2018 at 3:22 PM Said:
    The critical distinction is none of the others were killed in a consulate or embassy which is a crime beyond the other killings.

    You might think that the Saudis would have some control over what goes on in one of their major embassies.

  125. Trump is sending Sec. of State Pompeo to Saudi to meet with the king. Trump is taking this seriously IMO.

  126. The only time the Saudis lie is when their lips move.

    Expect even more ” rogue operation ” talk from them.

  127. I’m no fan of Trump ( no surprise there ) but I think that Pompeo is a straight talker. I would not expect him to beat around the bush on any of this.

  128. The United States is now open for Oil Exports why buy oil from murdering bastards when you can buy it from us for half the price……..

    Which US oil exporter is selling oil at half the price?

    Is Exxon doing that?

    Can I buy some of that half priced oil?

  129. The big question is why the Turks do not release the evidence they say they have. If it is what they say, it would be case closed. The Secretary of State should go to Turkey and say show me what you have.

  130. Apparently the Saudis may now claim an interrogation gone wrong and will endeavor to claim it was not authorized at highest levels.

  131. Wrong?

    Cut the guy into pieces, snuck them out, would never have said a word if the fiancee and Turkey hadn’t sounded the alarm.

    The fish stinks from the head, King. That’s you.

  132. I agree. I think they are trying to come up with something to save face for the King. I wouldn’t want to be on the hit squad who might get beheaded to maintain their silence.

  133. Yes, I was thinking about the same thing.

    Chop their heads off quick, so that they can’t say anything.

    I’m shocked, shocked, that they harmed this poor journalist.

  134. Or here, prince

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/mohammed-bin-salman-dark-side-saudi-arabia-crown-prince-181015123719153.html

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