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MELBOURNE’S NOT IN POLAND

By Pete Moore On November 9th, 2018

Another day, another muslim terrorist. A Somali peasant showed his gratitude to Australia today by stabbing three men, killing one, while attempting to set off a car bomb. On what planet it makes sense to admit these bums I don’t know, but immigration claims yet more innocent blood.

Not in Poland though. They have more sense in Poland. They have pride and balls and the urge to protect themselves and their kin. They know suffering, and they’re not so degenerate as to throw open their beloved homeland to backward aliens who hate them and would kill them. Poland is great. Be like Poland.

152 Responses to “MELBOURNE’S NOT IN POLAND”

  1. 12 dead in California, no comment

    1 dead in Australia, a new post

    Pete’s concern about the dead seems to be linked to whether he can make a political point about the demographic details of the killer.

  2. Your powers of perception are incredible Fews!! 😉

    Aus indeed isn’t Poland. Aus isn’t subsidised by the EU.

  3. Melbourne is the new Mogadishu.

    It’s there own fault.

    What were they thinking was going to be the end result?.

    I mean, prior to African Doctors, Engineers and Scientists flooding the place, incidents like this were an everyday occurrence.

    😏

    Liberal suckers.

  4. Just as gun violence in NRA infested America is a particular thing, what happened in Melbourne ( and a zillion other places ) is a particular, unnecessary thing. Everyone can connect the dots, even those who pretend not to be able to.

  5. Yet another muslim terrorist, yet again the leftists see nothing.

  6. Blaming and alienating all Muslims because of the actions of Islamic terrorists is absolutely, completely the way of reducing Islamic terrorism.

  7. Yet again the leftists see nothing

    Maybe they see a ‘mentally ill man with no interest in politics’ Pete?

  8. Fews fails, or feigns to fail, to understand that negroids have no place in Australia nor Poland, nor Europe. But they do have a place in Africa…….

    https://newobserveronline.com/south-africa-first-black-bank-collapses-after-being-looted-by-owners/

    VBS Mutual Bank—lauded as the first bank in South Africa to be totally owned and managed by Africans—has collapsed after its owners stole all the cash and bribed government and local government officials into depositing money in the operation, an official inquiry set up by the South African Reserve Bank (SARB) has found.

    As race-realists at The Daily Stormer state about blacks……

    Their societies never evolved beyond the primitive laws of the jungle, where the one who holds something “owns” it – until someone else can take it away. Things like legal ownership would have been foreign concepts to African tribesmen, and is still something Black people have a very tenuous understanding of.

  9. Pete Moore

    Yet another muslim terrorist, yet again the leftists see nothing.

    No Pete, I definitely saw a horrible terrorist attack. What I didn’t see was a chance to exploited it, to promote my own Petty agenda. Last of course, ignoring the infinitely high number of people killed in firearms incidents worldwide.

  10. FewsOrange, Paul and Seamus.

    Well said. All points.

  11. What I didn’t see was a chance to exploited it

    “Immigration is a catastrophe for Western Civilisation, but please don’t remind us.”

  12. As race-realists at The Daily Stormer state about blacks

    A Jew-hating Nazi website gets quoted approvingly on the 80th anniversary of Kristallnacht:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

  13. I see Macron is honouring France’s arch traitor Petain for his WWI work. He’ll always be better remembered for his WWII activity betraying his country.

  14. Disgusting Reg however according to this he seems to have climbed down somewhat:

    https://nationalpost.com/news/world/under-intense-fire-macron-insists-france-wont-honour-philippe-petain-its-most-famous-marshal-and-nazi-collaborator

  15. MourneReg, on November 9th, 2018 at 8:12 PM Said:

    I see Macron is honouring France’s arch traitor Petain for his WWI work. He’ll always be better remembered for his WWII activity betraying his country.

    His country was betrayed, but it wasn’t Petain’s doing…….

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p498_Okeefe.html

    In May 1940, Dunkirk, the biggest Churchill defeat of the lot. It wasn’t a victory. It wasn’t a triumph. Nothing for the British to be proud of. Dunkirk? If you look at the Dunkirk files in the British archives now, you will find, too, you’re given only photocopies of the premier files on Dunkirk with mysterious blank pages inserted. And you think, at first, how nice of them to put these blank pages in to keep the documents apart. Not so. The blank pages are the ones that you really want to be seeing. In some cases, of course, the blank pages are genuinely censored with intelligence matters. But the other blank pages are letters between Churchill and the French Prime Minister, Paul Reynaud, which revealed the ugly truth that Churchill, himself, gave the secret order to Lord Gort, the British General in command of the British expeditionary force at Dunkirk, “Withdraw, fall back,” or as Churchill put it, “Advance to the coast.” That was Churchill’s wording. “And you are forbidden to tell any of your neighboring allies that you are pulling out. The French and the Belgians were left in the dark that we were pulling out.

    I think it’s the most despicable action that any British commander could have been ordered to carry out, to pull out and not tell either his allies on his left and right flanks that he was pulling out at Dunkirk. The reason I knew this is because, although the blanks are in the British files, I got permission from the French Prime Minister Paul Reynaud’s widow. His widow is still alive. A dear old lady about 95, living in Paris. And guiding her trembling hand, I managed to get her to sign a document releasing to me all the Prime Minister’s files in the French National Archives in Paris. And there are documents, the originals of the documents which we’re not allowed to see in London. and there we know the ugly truth about that other great Churchill triumph, the retreat to Dunkirk.

    I wonder why the Churchill Centre didn’t sue David Irving for that, unless…..

    …..and as one reads, the French had prepared a counter-offensive from the south against the German breakthrough in the Ardennes at Sedan and requested that the BEF join the attack from the north. Churchill instructed Lord Gort to agree and then he (Churchill) instructed Gort to “advance to the coast” i.e. to abandon the lines and flee to the Channel ports using the French and Belgians as shields. The French offensive began, re-capturing Amiens but when the Germans saw that there was no supporting attack from the north, all forces attacked the French concentrations with predictable results – Chapter 24, page 306 – 312 shows Churchill covering his tracks.

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Churchill/1/WSCv1pt2.pdf

    So Petain was left to inherit a mess not of his creation.

  16. Peter, on November 9th, 2018 at 7:49 PM Said:

    As race-realists at The Daily Stormer state about blacks

    Indeed Peter, and what was written is perfectly true…….

    Their societies never evolved beyond the primitive laws of the jungle, where the one who holds something “owns” it – until someone else can take it away. Things like legal ownership would have been foreign concepts to African tribesmen, and is still something Black people have a very tenuous understanding of.

    Perhaps you would show me the statutes of law of black Africa prior to the arrival of whitey? Oh – that’s right: these primitives didn’t even develop script, never mind the wheel

  17. Their societies never evolved beyond the primitive laws of the jungle, where the one who holds something “owns” it – until someone else can take it away. Things like legal ownership would have been foreign concepts to African tribesmen, and is still something Black people have a very tenuous understanding of.

    This analysis is objectively and historically correct. It cannot be refuted with evidence.

  18. Pete – it can be refuted with emotions/feelings. To many at ATW, how one feels is more powerful than hard, factual evidence

  19. Please don’t make fun of Pat and his pop toys

  20. “To many at ATW, how [believing in idiotic, baseless conspiracy theories makes] one feel [is] more powerful than hard, factual evidence”

    Back and to the left. Back and to the left.

  21. Allan@Aberdeen

    Pete – it can be refuted with emotions/feelings. To many at ATW, how one feels is more powerful than hard, factual evidence

    Absolutely laughable hearing you talk about hard factual evidence Allan. What you present is usually a load of made up conspiracy nonsense. Tell me again about the world trade centres falling into their own footprint, LOL. Facts my arse.

  22. This analysis is objectively and historically correct. It cannot be refuted with evidence.

    Pete

    I have no idea about that because my ignorance of Africa is deep. But I know that Kristallnacht happened in Germany 80 years ago this night and that it was a prelude to the Holocaust and that it cannot be refuted with evidence, any more than the Holocaust can be refuted with evidence.

    My grandfather used to say: “Tell me your company and I’ll tell you who you are.” You are in Allan’s company, yet again.

  23. Not in Poland though.

    Or Slovakia, Czech, or Hungary.

    How long the Visegrád four government’s can keep their citizens safe from terrorism is anyone’s guess, if Brussels has anything to do with it.

  24. Dave – as presented several times already, here is the footage of the demolition of building 7 which fell at freefall acceleration vertically, the term used is ‘into its own footprint’, and it really was

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpAp8eCEqNA

    But I know that Kristallnacht happened in Germany 80 years ago this night

    and the next thing you know is that 6 million jews are burned in a holocaust, just as all the newspapers from 1905 onwards predicted. Who’d-a-thunk-it!

  25. Allan@Aberdeen,

    Dave – as presented several times already, here is the footage of the demolition of building 7 which fell at freefall acceleration vertically, the term used is ‘into its own footprint’, and it really was

    It doesn’t matter how many times you claim building 7 fell into its own footprint Allan you’re wrong as usual. and I noticed you’ve stopped claiming the world trade centres fell into their own foot print, after me proving you completely wrong on that
    Nonsense claim.
    While building 7 did fall with less spread than world trade centres, it did not fall into its own footprint. Debris fell onto several buildings next to it, (such as the Verizon building), causing millions of dollars worth of damage. So much so to the collage, it had to be demolished. There are dozens of videos and blogs online, that thoroughly debunk the conspiracy theories surrounding building 7.

    and the next thing you know is that 6 million jews are burned in a holocaust, just as all the newspapers from 1905 onwards predicted. Who’d-a-thunk-it!

    I’ve noticed you’ve changed your position on this one from the early days of ATW as well Allan. I remember when you said the concentration camps were just like ‘holiday parks’ for the Jews, and there were no gas chambers, executions or mistreatment of prisoners.
    You keep moving those Goalposts sonshine. After all, that’s what people who tell the truth and present the facts do all the time isn’t it? I’m sure nobody else on ATW will notice.

  26. Critical thinking and ruthless reaction to Islamic terror are the only factors that will give Western Societies a chance at survival. Liberal emotional spasms guarantee a Caliphate tsunami that is currently sweeping Europe, Australia and beyond. Cultural suicide? Is that what naïve Liberals really want? Are they so freakin’ stupid they can’t see beyond their “coexist, multiculturalism” dopamine created psychosis?

  27. A@A doesn’t dispute the principle that Jews were persecuted and murdered by the Nazis Dave he just quibbles on the numbers, (a favourite ‘theororist’ tactic, to focus on a relatively minor point and deflect from the main principle).

    I once asked him did Nazis persecute and kill Jews in large numbers to which he replied it was a ‘necessary defence’

  28. ‘Europe, Australia and beyond’

    Stop being such a globalist Eddie.

  29. In the “real truth by Allan” Factbook Kristallnacht was an evening where generous nazis were encouraged to help their Jewish business neighbours by cleaning their shop windows for them and some windows were accidentally broken purely by the over eager determination of good gentile Germans to get those windows spot free and sparkling 😍

  30. Paul McMahon,

    A@A doesn’t dispute the principle that Jews were persecuted and murdered by the Nazis Dave he just quibbles on the numbers

    He might not say that now Paul, but he used to claim this.
    In his early posts many years ago, he disputed that any Jews were killed at concentration camps. In fact, he claimed the concentration camps as described didn’t exist at all, and that they were actually internment camps, (complete with swimming pools for the inmates as the pictures he posted apparently proved.) Those who lost their lives in these camps, only did so because of direct allied bombing, or allied bombing of food supplies to the camps, causing starvation of the inmates.

  31. Australia and beyond. Cultural suicide? Is that what naïve Liberals really want?

    Liberals might actually believe if they keep their heads down, those crocodiles will eat them last.

  32. Harri,

    Liberals might actually believe if they keep their heads down, those crocodiles will eat them last.

    No Harri. It’s just a terrorist attacks are so rare, that I don’t actually worry about it at all. I got a much higher chance of dying in a motor vehicle accident, and relatively speaking, the chances of that are still low.

  33. Dave.

    Terrorist attacks would be even rarer, zero in fact if we had government’s like Poland. Slovakia, Czech and Hungary.

  34. Harri,

    Terrorist attacks would be even rarer, zero in fact if we had government’s like Poland. Slovakia, Czech and Hungary.

    Let’s cut to the chase Harri, we’ve had this conversation many, many times before.
    What is going to boil down to, is me stating that I don’t want immigration cut to zero, but I think it should be reduced, and you saying that we should have zero immigration. There, I saved us a long conversation.

  35. Dave.

    Incorrect, and you could now, or ever in you’re wildest dreams ever show me a posts where I have protested for zero immigration.

    Lets really cut to tbe chase here, What I would like to see is a system based on Australia, where if you are British, you have to jump through hoops, for instance, criminal checks, the ability to fund oneself, a skill, or set of skills you posses which would be of benefit to the society you wish to esconce yourself in.

    There I have saved you wasting your time incorrectly assuming something you could now, or ever prove.

    But, good luck trying to find one single post of mine protesting for zero immigration.

    Please, get back to me Dave.

    The best of British luck on that one mate.

  36. Dave.

    Assumption is the Mother of all fuck up’s.

  37. and you saying that we should have zero immigration.

    Where, and when?

  38. Harri,

    Incorrect, and you could now, or ever in you’re wildest dreams ever show me a posts where I have protested for zero immigration.

    I worded my original statement very badly apologies.
    I should have said you want zero immigration from certain countries, such as Africa.
    Or am I incorrect on this as well?

  39. I actually knew you didn’t want zero immigration from all countries because you stated this before.

  40. Dave.

    No worries mate.

    I should have said you want zero immigration from certain countries, such as Africa.
    Or am I incorrect on this as well?

    Pretty much so Dave.

    Lets really cut to tbe chase here, What I would like to see is a system based on Australia, where if you are British, you have to jump through hoops, for instance, criminal checks, the ability to fund oneself, a skill, or set of skills you posses which would be of benefit to the society you wish to esconce yourself in.

    As I said Dave..

    Assumption is the Mother of all fuck up’s.

    You being heavily into science, I would have thought would not even begin to use assumptions?.

  41. Harri

    You being heavily into science, I would have thought would not even begin to use assumptions?.

    I’m only human, I make mistakes.
    So when it comes to immigration we pretty much agree.
    Although I would allow a certain number of genuine immigrants into the country.

  42. Dave.

    We agree, the most basic requirement of any government, at the very least is to protect its citizens, letting in anyone without at the very least, criminal checks for instance, is a wifull dereliction of duty.

  43. I don’t believe that anyone on ATW, with the possible exception of Petr, has ever suggested ‘letting in anyone’ I also don’t think that in the absence of humanitarian crises countries don’t carry out checks on immigrants.

  44. Paul.

    Spots on and it’s been said on here many times before. That still won’t stop Pete Moore, making his through gritted teeth, bravo immigrationistas! posts though.

  45. Terrorist attacks would be even rarer, zero in fact if we had government’s like Poland. Slovakia, Czech and Hungary.

    Or if we hadn’t invaded Iraq on the basis of total lies about WMD and spawned Isis. You reap what you sow.

  46. You can’t stop the bad decisions of the past

    You should choose to make right decisions now.

    I don’t think that anybody here could say with a straight face that Poland and Hungary are not making the correct decisions now on “ migration “ . Their decisions act to the benefit of their peoples, And they do not act harm anyone else

  47. Phantom, we’ve been over this a million times before.

    They are taking the benefits but not the responsibilities of club membership.

  48. Phantom, we’ve been over this a million times before.

    They are taking the benefits but not the responsibilities of club membership.

    Paul

    Are you saying “club membership” requires placing the female population of Poland, Slovakia, Czech or Hungary, open to rapes by subhuman African rapists, or unchecked “refugees” or..shudder, traffickers?.

    What sort of monster are you?.

  49. I’ve no problem with what the governments of Poland and Hungary are doing to resist migration. They were elected to do just that.

  50. Peter.

    Paul has.

    He’s got big problems with it.

    Oh, why won’t Poland, Slovakia, Czech or Hungary take their fair share of potential terrorists and rapists.

    Its just so unfair.

  51. No, I’m saying that as with any club if you don’t like the rules leave.

  52. What sort of monster are you?.

    Certainly not the sort that mocks rape victims. Come to think of it, I don’t think he was the only one that has done it either…..

  53. Certainly not the sort that mocks rape victims.

    No, you just encourage them.

    You want them in Pol?and, Slovakia, Czech and Hungary.

    Because its “part of being in the stupid club”

    You monster.

  54. No, you just encourage them

    And tell me how I do that. How do I encourage rape Harri?

    Is my ‘encouragement’ of rape more serious than you, and others…..? mocking of it?

  55. Ooops.

    *than your stablemate’s ….

  56. No one has any “ responsibility “ to harm their populations

    And I wasn’t talking about the EU

    The Polish and Hungarian Governments are not harming any Poles or Hungarians.

  57. And I wasn’t talking about the EU

    Hungary and Poland are in the club are they not?

    If they don’t want the responsibilities of club membership shouldn’t they leave?

  58. And tell me how I do that. How do I encourage rape Harri?

    Well, for a start, you whinge & whine about Poland, Slovakia, Czech or Hungary, “not following the rules of the stupid club” for a start.

    Paul.

    Why is it, that “refugee” Immigrant, Subhuman African rapists sex attacks are zero in Poland, Slovakia, Czech or Hungary?.

  59. I don’t know if or why subhuman African rapists sex attacks are zero in Poland, Slovakia, Czech or Hungary but what I do know is if Visegrad aren’t prepared to accept club responsibility that other members do then they should go.

    Why should they not have to accept the rules while others do?

  60. Who cares about what the EU thinks

    I praise two brave nations for acting to benefit their own, without harming others

    Would anyone here be so dishonest as to say that opening the borders to “ migrants “ would not be harmful to Poles or Hungarians, to the working class who would bear the brunt?

    Would anyone say that such a move would be good for Poland or Hungary,?

  61. Who cares about what the EU thinks

    Paul does.

    “Rules are rules”

    Be it British rule, or Brussels rule,

    Masters are masters.

  62. Why should they not have to accept the rules while others do?

    What rules?

    Merkel invited the Third World to Germany. Having realised the catastrophe she’s unleashed, she’s trying to get the Visegrad countries to bail her out. But those countries aren’t breaking any rules.

  63. I don’t know if or why subhuman African rapists sex attacks are zero in Poland, Slovakia, Czech or Hungary

    Yes you do.

    You coward.

  64. I don’t know if or why subhuman African rapists sex attacks are zero in Poland, Slovakia, Czech or Hungary but what I do know is if Visegrad aren’t prepared to accept club responsibility that other members do then they should go.

    Why should they not have to accept the rules while others do?

    Possibly the biggest cop out in the long history of ATW.

    😏

    So..

    Once again Paul..

    Why are there zero “refugee” subhuman African rapists, sex attacks, or murders in Poland, Slovakia, Czech or Hungary?.

  65. Is it because there’s zero rufugees H?

    That’s the obvious answer you wanted wasn’t it?

    Now that I’ve answered you rhetorical question can you tell me how many subhuman African rapists, sex attacks have occurred in places like Ireland, Portugal, Cyprus, Latvia, Lithuania etc?

    There’s five countries, hundreds or thousands?

  66. What rules?

    Talk about cop outs?

    The rules of refugee quota acceptance that other EU member states have to abide by.

  67. Is it because there’s zero rufugees H?

    That’s the obvious answer you wanted wasn’t it?

    Bingo.

    But, but, but.

    You believe Poland, Slovakia, Czech and Hungary, should risk taking “refugees” thereby risking rapes, murders and sex attacks because its in “the rules” of Brussels.

    Its not fair Paul whinges.

    😏

  68. Now I’ve answered your question please answer mine:

    Now that I’ve answered you rhetorical question can you tell me how many subhuman African rapists, sex attacks have occurred in places like Ireland, Portugal, Cyprus, Latvia, Lithuania etc?

    There’s five countries, hundreds or thousands?

  69. The rules of refugee quota acceptance that other EU member states have to abide by.

    Again, what rules? Hint: there are no such rules.

    Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic agreed to no such rules. The ECJ pulled a ruling out of thin air, based on no rules, no laws and no prior agreements, saying that they had to bail out Merkel.

    You ought to be less keen to spread rapists and terrorists around Europe.

  70. Paul

    You have been caught talking absolute spheres.

    Get over it.

    😁

    Now, up early in the morning, goodnight.

  71. You ought to be less keen to spread rapists and terrorists around Europe.

    Oh Paul is keener than most.

    I’m not too sure who is more dangerous to women, Paul, or those pesky traffickers?.

  72. Paul

    For the sake of the discussion, let’s say that the rules committee of the European Union should give Poland and Hungary a good talking to

    Now back to the real matter

    Would migration from these places be good or would it be bad for the average Pole or Hungarian? It’s one or the other. No fancy dancing, straight answer please.

    And should the average Pole or Hungarian have any say in the matter, at the national ballot box or anywhere else?

  73. These Pete:

    https://www.dw.com/en/the-eu-migrant-relocation-and-resettlement-scheme-what-you-need-to-know/a-40378909

    If thet disagree they should leave?

    Harri,

    Now that I’ve answered you rhetorical question can you tell me how many subhuman African rapists, sex attacks have occurred in places like Ireland, Portugal, Cyprus, Latvia, Lithuania etc?

    There’s five countries, hundreds or thousands?

  74. Would migration from these places be good or would it be bad for the average Pole or Hungarian? It’s one or the other. No fancy dancing, straight answer please.

    IMO it wouldn’t be good nor bad. I’m an average Irish citizen living in Spain and neither me nor anyone I know has been positively or negatively affected in either country by their response.

  75. And should the average Pole or Hungarian have any say in the matter, at the national ballot box or anywhere else?

    Yes, if they disagree with abiding by club rules and think that responsibilities outweigh the benefits they should vote to leave or stay.

  76. Well the Poles and Hungarians see what has happened to Paris and its enormous suburbs, , Brussels, Marseille, the north of England, Sweden etc and they see that the most enormous harm has been done to the legitimate population of those places

    You see no damage because you choose to be 100% blind on these matters.

    The Poles and Hungarians aren’t harming you at all. They’re good Europeans, good neighbors Please leave them alone.

    If the EU rules committee wants to send them a scolding letter, by all means let them

  77. IMO it wouldn’t be good nor bad. I’m an average Irish citizen living in Spain and neither me nor anyone I know has been positively or negatively affected in either country by their response.

    Rape and mass murder are morally neutral unless Paul knows the victims.

  78. Paul isn’t stupid, he only acts that way here on some issues

    This migration is deeply harmful to Europe. It has caused great damage. It would cause great damage if it were to happen in Eastern Europe,

    Everyone knows this. So how about people stop playing games about this issue?

  79. Paul is doing the exact same thing that PVR does on guns.

    He likes migrants, Pat loves guns, they refuse to consider the possibility that their beloved objects could ever cause problems

  80. You see no damage because you choose to be 100% blind on these matters

    You asked me a question and I answered it. I nor no one I know has been affected either way by the 2015 immigration crisis in either Ireland or Spain and I suspect the overwhelming vast majority of people who comment here haven’t been either. Yes, immigrants have committed crime but the ‘hundreds or thousands of rapes’ that others have spoken of here is obvious hyperbole.

    Poland and Hungary were to take in 3,000 between them, nothing to a population of almost 38,000,000 and 10,000,000 respectively. A drop in a vast ocean.

    Rape and mass murder are morally neutral unless Paul knows the victims.

    No Pete. I abhor all rape and mass murder unlike you who views such crimes as nothing more than capital to push your zero immigration racial segregation opinions.

    Paul isn’t stupid, he only acts that way here on some issues

    He likes migrants, Pat loves guns, they refuse to consider the possibility that their beloved objects could ever cause problems

    What patronising, condescending bollocks.

    I don’t ‘like’ or dislike immigrants. What I do recognise is that the EU responded to a humanitarian crisis in 2015, (caused in no small part by your own country BTW), and think that that response should be collectively and proportionately shared by those who enjoy the benefits of EU membership.

    ‘Beloved objects’ ‘pets’ etc is the vocabulary of arseholery Phantom.

  81. The so called crisis was made ten times worse by your Merkel. Go bother her, Bush and Blair and leave the honest Poles and Hungarians alone.

    If they think that 3000 is 3000 too many, that’s their call to make. No one else has any right to overrule their sovereign decision.

  82. Your Merkel

    More vocabulary of arseholery.

    As I have said previously, it was a haphazard, ham fisted reponse to a humanitarian crisis but a response it was. Now, what was that you said earlier?

    You can’t stop the bad decisions of the past

    Ah yes, that was it. Seems like that only applies to the US then?

    If they think that 3000 is 3000 too many, that’s their call to make.

    Yes it is, they are also bound by EU rules as every other member is.

    If they disagree with abiding by club rules and think that responsibilities outweigh the benefits they should vote to leave or stay.

    Maybe Trump’s US or Brexit Britain want to step up to the subsidy mantle?

  83. I say that the Polish and Hungarian governments are here doing a good job in protecting their populations from the fate that some have in mind for them. You always turn the conversation to EU rules and regulations and who is and is not in compliance with them. Who cares about that.

    The issue is how to -best- protect your peoples here.

    I have never once heard you talk about that.

    Shame.

  84. More vocabulary of arseholery.

    oh didn’t know could you it like that

    Ed Byrne a very funny irish comedian

    “Alternatively, you can get yourself a wedding planner, which is the wedding equivelant of debt consolidation. Rather than dealing with various different arseholes of varying levels of arseholery, you can get yourself one 18-carat, stone cold wanker.” – Ed Byrne

    light relief paul, tough crowd tonite 😉

  85. Harri,

    You ought to be less keen to spread rapists and terrorists around Europe.

    Oh Paul is keener than most.

    I’m not too sure who is more dangerous to women, Paul, or those pesky traffickers?.

    What a truly disgusting and despicable thing to accuse Paul of.
    You should be ashamed of yourself Harri.

  86. What a truly disgusting and despicable thing to accuse Paul of.

    But it’s true. Knowing that women will be molested, assaulted, raped and killed, he would still flood Eastern Europe with Africans and Arabs.

    No, your left wing bullshit floats no more. Your left wing bullshit has been indulged at home and the result is rape, death and misery.

    Your horrible opinions now get the treatment they deserve.

  87. jude,

    light relief paul, tough crowd tonite 😉

    Well said Jude. I was at the pub otherwise I would have been giving him some backup.
    It’s amazing the way these dishonest people, are accusing Paul of holding a position he’s never actually held.

    For What It’s Worth Paul, we don’t always agree and everything but you’re probably one of the most honest people on ATW, and I greatly respect that.

  88. The fate that some have in mind for them

    When are you moving to Aberdeen?

    You always turn the conversation to EU rules and regulations and who is and is not in compliance with them. Who cares about that.

    Yes I do and those that care about it are the EU member states who obey club rules and people like me whose tax € are paying for the Visegrad subsidies. Let them put their money where there mouth is and if they don’t like the rules vote to leave. I know how my Polish and Hungarian friends and co workers would vote.

    Let Brexit Britain or Trump’s US finance them, then guys from Brooklyn and blokes from Wessex can congratulate them all they want and I’ll agree.

    Light relief paul, tough crowd tonite

    Meh, usual mixture of over self opinionated non thinkers, misty eyed far rightists and condescending sophists. Thanks for the sentiment all the same Jude.

  89. Paul is a good guy, but he has exhibited a sustained disdain for the rights of European nations to protect their peoples. This position is not only incorrect, it is morally wrong.

    It is hard to understand how one who can speak so well about the national rights of Irishmen could think that Poles and Hungarians should have no rights at all that matter, here.

    If you can’t control your borders in any way at all against incursions and settlement, you are not a sovereign entity of any kind. Especially coming after we see what this has done to parts of Bradford, Paris, Brussels, greater London.

    If some want to draw a line and say ” no more ” then why wouldn’t every free man endorse that?

  90. Pete Moore,

    But it’s true. Knowing that women will be molested, assaulted, raped and killed, he would still flood Eastern Europe with Africans and Arabs.

    That’s an out-and-out lie. As Paul has repeatedly said, he want similar immigration controls to myself. He doesn’t want to ‘flood’ anywhere with immigrants.

    Your horrible opinions now get the treatment they deserve.

    What horrible opinions? This actually says more about what a nasty piece of work you are Pete, rather than anything critical of Paul.

  91. Appreciated Dave.

  92. It is hard to understand how one who can speak so well about the national rights of Irishmen could think that Poles and Hungarians should have no rights at all that matter, here.

    That’s very simply answered Phantom.

    What is paramount in Ireland is the will of the Irish people and if they didn’t want to abide by the rules of the club then I’d expect them to do the same thing that I’m advocating Visegrad do.

  93. Paul

    How many Africans and Arabs would you like to allow into Ireland, Britain, Europe-wide over the next 10, 20 , 30 years

    Please be specific as to the upper levels of numbers. Vagueness = flooding is fine by me, Jack.

  94. Ah, the old hoary how many loaded question?

    I think that immigrants should be considered on individual country immigraton criteria which will ebb and flow according to skills shortage etc.

    I ideally think that asylum and refugee status should be afforded on individual circumstances.That wasn’t the case of the deluge in 2015 thanks to stupid invasions and wars which destabilised an entire region.

    Now, if the infrastructure of the EU and various other nation states can’t put a definitive number on this as it is ostensibly a reaction to changing situations how do you expect a guy on a laptop in a provincial Spanish city to do it?

  95. Paul –

    On this thread you have stated that:

    1) The EU rules of refugee quota acceptance must be obeyed, and ..

    2) Immigrants should be considered on individual country immigraton criteria which will ebb and flow according to skills shortage etc.

    These are contradictory statements. Either EU rules prevail, and must be imposed, or countries can decide for themselves.

    You’re just making it up now from comment to comment.

  96. Pete, I was speakin about the EU as a bloc and various other nation states. Apologies if that wasn’t clear in my original comment.

  97. NB:

    You will also be aware that individual EU countries have domestic immigration legislation for non EU prospective immigrants?

  98. If you can’t give an exact upper number, you’re not proposing to control anything

    Numbers are exceptionally important. Especially here.

  99. If you can’t give an exact upper number, you’re not proposing to control anything

    Phantom, when you give me the armies of lawyers, researchers, economists, accountants, statistician etc available to governments I’ll give you a definitive answer to your question.

  100. I think that immigrants should be considered on individual country immigraton criteria which will ebb and flow according to skills shortage etc.

    Paul – what skills do you believe that Aricans and arabs shall bring to Ireland that the Irihs neither have nor are willing to train themselves to do?

  101. Depends on if you’re talking about reality or your back to front, upside down John Lennon song imagination.

  102. “EU rules”

    Resistance is futile.

    Must obey, must obey…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0abd8ed95b1665a5fb6745a3ca7da9a53748e25fd5c90e5b61a942783d8b2765.jpg

  103. Are you back to answer the question you ran away from last night?

  104. Paul

    It was answered

    Give it a rest.

    You are becoming seriously repetitive and very boriiinnnng?.

    😁

  105. Paul – what skills do you believe that Africans and arabs shall bring to Ireland that the Irish neither have nor are willing to train themselves to do?

  106. I will give Paul his due.

    He really is a glutton for punishment.

  107. Why has Melbourne become a target for hate? Timeline of terror reveals the ongoing sequence of attacks in the heart of the city

    Melbourne’s latest terrorist attack on Friday is the third in less than two years
    Authorities suggest a dozen terror plots have been attempted over same time
    Terrorist acts for New Years Eve, Christmas and Mother’s Day have been foiled
    Some planned an Anzac Day beheading and others made homemade bombs

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6373647/Foiled-terror-attacks-attempted-Melbourne-revealed-Bourke-Street-stabbing-rundown-trolleyman.html

  108. Harri

    I will give Paul his due too. He regularly wipes the floor with you !

  109. Colm

    Well.

    He has a good try anyway.

    😁

  110. Colm

    I notice Allan takes you to the cleaners on rather a regular basis.

    😀

  111. Paul

    It was answered

    Now that I’ve answered you rhetorical question can you tell me how many subhuman African rapists, sex attacks have occurred in places like Ireland, Portugal, Cyprus, Latvia, Lithuania etc?

    There’s five countries, hundreds or thousands?

    Answered? Where?

    You’re a dishonest coward Harri.

    Paul – what skills do you believe that Africans and arabs shall bring to Ireland that the Irish neither have nor are willing to train themselves to do?

    Any skill can be learned but there are skill shortages and that’s the reality as opposed to your ‘Imagine’ infantile idealism. That’s why there’s Filipino nurses in Ireland, Polish builders in England and Irish carpenters in Australia.

    Now, no doubt you’ve got a detailed economic plan in place in your utopia for training to combat skill shortages? If so let’s hear it.

  112. Harri

    Allan takes us all to the cleaners every day ad nauseum and has us spinning in his great all embracing Jew controlled WHITE washing (no coloureds) conspiracy machine 🙂

  113. Pete Moore, on November 10th, 2018 at 10:33 PM Said:

    But it’s true. Knowing that women will be molested, assaulted, raped and killed, he {Paul) would still flood Eastern Europe with Africans and Arabs.

    And it is true. Paul knows very well that the 3rd-worlders have a propensity to criminality which overshadows the low crime rate of whites and orientals, but his calculus is that he and his family won’t be the victims of his malice towards white countries – the victims will be others, and statistically he is correct for the moment.

  114. Now, no doubt you’ve got a detailed economic plan in place in your utopia for training to combat skill shortages? If so let’s hear it.

    Prior to the UK joining the EU, there were no skills shortages in the UK. all that happened is that British men were trained in apprenticeships, got their trade and then worked according to the rate at which they could earn. Wages went up when demand increased and down when it decreased. There’s nothing utopia about – it’s as it was, and pretty much everywhere else.

    But specifically as to Africans and arabs, which is the original question as posed by Phantom……..

    Phantom, on November 10th, 2018 at 10:47 PM Said:
    Paul
    How many Africans and Arabs would you like to allow into Ireland, Britain, Europe-wide over the next 10, 20 , 30 years

    Paul McMahon, on November 10th, 2018 at 10:58 PM Said:
    Ah, the old hoary how many loaded question?
    I think that immigrants should be considered on individual country immigraton criteria which will ebb and flow according to skills shortage etc.

    what skills do you believe that Africans and arabs shall bring to Ireland that the Irish neither have nor are willing to train themselves to do?

  115. Paul

    Stop being a repetitive utter bore.

    😏

  116. I didn’t realise Paul had been copying you Harri 🙂

  117. And it is true. Paul knows very well that the 3rd-worlders have a propensity to criminality which overshadows the low crime rate of whites and orientals, but his calculus is that he and his family won’t be the victims of his malice towards white countries – the victims will be others, and statistically he is correct for the moment.

    Indeed, a dishonest coward in fact.

  118. Colm

    Its unlike you to be a puppet!.

    😀

  119. Now that I’ve answered you rhetorical question can you tell me how many subhuman African rapists, sex attacks have occurred in places like Ireland, Portugal, Cyprus, Latvia, Lithuania etc?

    There’s five countries, hundreds or thousands?

    Answered? Where?

    You’re a dishonest coward Harri.

  120. what skills do you believe that Africans and arabs shall bring to Ireland that the Irish neither have nor are willing to train themselves to do?

    But, but, but what about those Filipinos, Polish builders in England and Irish carpenters in Australia?.

  121. Paul

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Yawn

    😂

  122. Answered? Where?

    You’re a dishonest coward Harri.

  123. Says the dishonest coward

    😀

    Get off your high horse you bore.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

  124. Answered? Where?

    You’re a dishonest coward Harri.

    Until you regain an ounce of dignity and stop running away I’ll let that be my last comment on this particular issue. I know how much you love to have the last word with one of your hilarious quips or smiley faces so be my guest.

  125. Says Paul, the dishonest coward.

    Stop being such an horrendous bore

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

    😂

  126. Harri, on November 11th, 2018 at 12:27 PM Said:
    what skills do you believe that Africans and arabs shall bring to Ireland that the Irish neither have nor are willing to train themselves to do?
    But, but, but what about those Filipinos, Polish builders in England and Irish carpenters in Australia?.

    I’m interested to find out what skills Africans and arabs have that Ireland does not.

  127. This is how Harri gets out of answering direct questions. He is an utterly dishonest debater, although to call his repetitive, racist, sectarian ramblings ‘debate,’ is to stretch the word way past breaking point.
    Perhaps Allan and Pete should give him a better script to work from going forward, but they tend to keep all the best lines for themselves, leaving Harri to just come across as the vacuous sock puppet that he truly is.

  128. See my comment re skills shortgages and my question regarding your economic plan for redress above Allan.

  129. Yawn

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

    The cavalry has arrived.

  130. Ah, and now you’re echoing Paul from yesterday, yet again.
    Tell me, Harri – or rather, get Allan or Pete to tell me – do you have a single, original thought of your own? Even a single thought would do.

  131. I think Paul might be in danger of becoming Harri’s new Jude.

    Hey Jude, don’t make it bad, there’s a new man in Harri’s life now….. 😍😍

  132. Colm
    I said exactly the same thing earlier this week. Harri will eventually lose his rag with Paul, leave in a huffy strop, and then come back and tell us his wife made him do it because Paul is mental. Or something.

  133. Colm,

    Harri
    I will give Paul his due too. He regularly wipes the floor with you !

    He does, but it doesn’t seem to stop Harri being made to look a fool time and time again by Paul.

    And Harri, you’re fooling no one with your ‘I’ve answered your question Paul’s, lie.
    You’ve come across extremely badly in this thread trying to divert the conversation with your usual nonsense, to avoid answering an arkward question.

  134. Paul McMahon, on November 11th, 2018 at 1:01 PM Said:
    See my comment re skills shortgages and my question regarding your economic plan for redress above Allan.

    And I answered……

    Prior to the UK joining the EU, there were no skills shortages in the UK. all that happened is that British men were trained in apprenticeships, got their trade and then worked according to the rate at which they could earn. Wages went up when demand increased and down when it decreased. There’s nothing utopia about – it’s as it was, and pretty much everywhere else.

    The thread of this question is as follows:

    Phantom, on November 10th, 2018 at 10:47 PM Said:
    Paul
    How many Africans and Arabs would you like to allow into Ireland, Britain, Europe-wide over the next 10, 20 , 30 years

    Paul McMahon, on November 10th, 2018 at 10:58 PM Said:

    I think that immigrants should be considered on individual country immigraton criteria which will ebb and flow according to skills shortage etc.

    Now that didn’t answer Phantom’s question, but it did raise the matter of skills so I asked……..

    what skills do you believe that Africans and arabs shall bring to Ireland that the Irish neither have nor are willing to train themselves to do?

    It’s specific and the matter of skills was raised by you, Paul. So there is the question

  135. Now that didn’t answer Phantom’s question

    This is how Phantom’s question was answered:

    Ah, the old hoary how many loaded question?

    I think that immigrants should be considered on individual country immigraton criteria which will ebb and flow according to skills shortage etc.

    I ideally think that asylum and refugee status should be afforded on individual circumstances.That wasn’t the case of the deluge in 2015 thanks to stupid invasions and wars which destabilised an entire region.

    Now, if the infrastructure of the EU and various other nation states can’t put a definitive number on this as it is ostensibly a reaction to changing situations how do you expect a guy on a laptop in a provincial Spanish city to do it?

    And then later:

    Phantom, when you give me the armies of lawyers, researchers, economists, accountants, statistician etc available to governments I’ll give you a definitive answer to your question.

    It did in fact answer Phantom’s question but wasn’t the answer you wanted.

    Now to your own ‘answer’

    Prior to the UK joining the EU, there were no skills shortages in the UK.

    That’s bollocks for a start as the post WWII re building of the fifties and sixties will attest to. However, harking back to some imagined misty eyed past, (I was six. Were you even out of primary school?), doesn’t explain how your detailed economic plan would resolve the skills shortages NOW, hence my reality / utopia comment.

    So, c’mon, let’s have it.

  136. You answered with a non-answer answer

    Bill Clinton would be very proud of you

  137. Well spotted Phantom

    But, Paul the inherent coward, has plenty of form on that one.

  138. He’s OK with any number that a bunch of lawyers and government officials come up with !

    If they say let 1 billion in, he’s fine with that!

  139. Mr. Trump is a big believer in exclamation points!

    I will try them for a bit!

  140. He’s OK with any number that a bunch of lawyers and government officials come up with !

    Aye!.

  141. You answered with a non-answer answer

    More disengenuous rubbish. Let me make this clear:

    I can’t give you the numbers because I don’t have the army of infrastructure avilable to determine the situations which dictate such things.

    Is that clear? I can’t and if you think I’m able to I’d love you to tell me how.

    But, Paul the inherent coward, has plenty of form on that one.

    Colm, I suspest that prediction that I have replaced Jude as the new object of Harri’s obsession may be correct.

    You’re a liar and a coward Harri.

    Inventing intenet personas for people you don’t know and then repeatedly referring to those invented personas in place of discussion isn’t psrticularly honest or brave.

  142. Yes a non answer

    Open borders lite!

    Cheers!

  143. Phantom,

    If they say let 1 billion in, he’s fine with that!

    How many immigrants and refugees would you let into the UK in a year Phantom?

  144. Phantom, let me turn your own question on yourself:

    How many Africans and Arabs, Oriental Chinese and Europeans would you like to allow into the US over the next 10, 20 , 30 years?

    Please be specific.

  145. 10,000 per year entirely based on the skill needs of the United States

    That’s very generous

  146. Yes a non answer

    Open borders lite!

    Cheers!

    Phantom

    Precisely, Paul is just an old fraud and yellow spineless coward.

  147. I don’t know how one can hold such a position, Supporting immigration, but not having the slightest idea in the world how much of that you want?

  148. Inventing intenet personas for people you don’t know and then repeatedly referring to those invented personas in place of discussion isn’t psrticularly honest or brave.

    Says the old fraud and spineless coward.

    Ireland’s loss.

    😀

  149. Phantom,

    10,000 per year entirely based on the skill needs of the United States

    You’re basing it on the same criteria as my:

    I think that immigrants should be considered on individual country immigraton criteria which will ebb and flow according to skills shortage etc.

    And it’s a non answer?

    Harri:

    Paul is just an old fraud and yellow spineless coward.

    Inventing intenet personas for people you don’t know and then repeatedly referring to those invented personas in place of discussion isn’t psrticularly honest or brave.

    Let’s see now.

    Various ATW commentators including myself have allegedly had drink problems.

    Colm was ‘Dorothy’ for a while.

    Phantom was a government agent paid to snoop the internet

    An ATW commentator (Colm again?) was of mixed race / ethnicity

    That’s off the top of my head. Have you just unveiled your new fantasy?

  150. Phantom,

    How many immigrants and refugees would you let into the UK in a year Phantom?

  151. Paul McMahon, on November 11th, 2018 at 2:15 PM Said:
    Now that didn’t answer Phantom’s question
    This is how Phantom’s question was answered:

    Paul – you didn’t answer the question and even though you are highly innumerate, it wasn’t about numbers. The question remains as…….

    what skills do you believe that Africans and arabs shall bring to Ireland that the Irish neither have nor are willing to train themselves to do?

  152. Paul – you didn’t answer the question

    Nope.

    The lying coward has plenty of form there.

    Even with the backup of his girlfriend “Seimi”.

    😀

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