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Space the Next Frontier

By Patrick Van Roy On December 4th, 2018

The truth

Everything in our modern lives all of our electronic devices are a direct benefit that can be traced back to the space program. It pushed us, we get breakthroughs from conquering challenges especially ones fuelled by the imagination. The vastness of Space has the same draw to us as the Ocean’s did for mankind before we knew the entire surface of our world. We WILL boldly go where no one has gone before.

I say Space is the Next Frontier rather than the Final Frontier because I believe Time Travel is the Final Frontier.

I remember as a child being obsessed with space travel. Going to Cape Canaveral. After all I am a child of the 60s and 70s when America had a real space program. I watched every Launch that was on TV , I watched along with my entire family the Moon Landing. And I was watching the live feed when the Shuttle blew.

Over my lifetime I’ve seen the Program scaled back to nothing, the politicians didn’t see the value in it. Mondale was the first to truly lead a campaign against it he did so when it was at it’s peak. He wanted every dime for Welfare programs. Obama made it’s Primary mission Outreach Programs to the Middle East.

I’m not just blaming the Dem’s either the Republicans share an equal amount of the blame.  None of them grasp the opportunity laid out before them, the space program in their eyes was nothing more than a rock collecting venture. Not enough of them could line their pockets off of it.

As I sit here now after it being stripped down to nothing the dream is coming back to life.

Yesterday SpaceX launched 64 Satellites from a single rocket which after deployment returned to earth and landed to be used again.  The past decade we’ve turned over the domain of Space to the Billionaire Entrepreneurs like Bigalow, Musk, and Branson for all essential purpose we’ve taken it out of  Government hands. These 3 gentleman have done great works. But exploration of space just as exploration of the Seas need government support.

I don’t know how many of you have heard of Bob Bigelow? I know everyone knows Musk and Branson, but Bigelow has had his own Space station orbiting longer than the current joint governmental International Space Station has been up there.

NASA has been stripped to nothing except unmanned probes, they just landed another one last week on Mars.

Well the game is finally changing.

“The directive I am signing today will refocus America’s space program on human exploration and discovery. It marks a first step in returning American astronauts to the Moon for the first time since 1972, for long-term exploration and use. This time, we will not only plant our flag and leave our footprints — we will establish a foundation for an eventual mission to Mars, and perhaps someday, worlds beyond.”

-President Donald Trump

In December 2017, President Donald J. Trump gave NASA a new direction, telling the agency to work with international and commercial partners to refocus exploration efforts on the moon, with an eye to eventually going on to Mars and even beyond.

What the President did back a year ago was just a reauthorization of the Original Space Mission statement. The Moon Colony is 40yrs behind schedule.

What Gives me hope that the program will truly be given the serious attention that it deserves is that the Chinese have announced that they are going to the moon. And the Russians have announced openly their new space weapons division.

Nothing opens up the spigot of money better than a military threat…… onward to the Moon.

48 Responses to “Space the Next Frontier”

  1. Manned missions to the moon are nothing but press conference material probes like the mats Rover make more sense because they can linger for months or years with out any more support then they carry on their own backs

  2. We need a permanent colony on the moon. It has always been the next step.

  3. Why isn’t there enough pits to dump your cash into on earth

  4. Every dime we have spent in the exploration of space has made profit in both dollars and the betterment of the species.

    It is truly the only venture of government that can actually be proven a benefit to mankind. A venture of real science not a science of nightmare catastrophic fancies predicted in rigged models. Space is a venture that we can just glance around the room and see the benefits of.

  5. We don’t know the entire surface of our world, not yet. And the majority of our oceans are unexplored.
    The ‘Space Race’ was just that, a race between two sides of the Iron Curtain.
    That said, I am fascinated with space travel and the various probes we have sent out around and beyond our solar system, and I welcome any logical developments in that field.
    But a manned colony on the Moon, because the Russians are doing something similar? We’re back to the 1950s again. It’s like everything the ISS stood for has crashed and burned.
    In any other POTUS’s ordinary sized hands, I would be excited about this, but with the Don in charge, its just another insecure, “look at how big MY rocket is” load of hydraulics.

  6. Point to Seimi

  7. Point to Seimi

  8. IMO space technology like sattalite targeting and missile guidance certainly hasn’t done anything for the betterment of the species either.

  9. nonsense Seimi the Space Program is the peace program. The russians have said they would to do a joint mission with the US but the current political climate prevents any negotiations on the subject. The democrats have made it impossible for any progress to be made in any negotiations on any front.

    And the original space program was built out of weapons technology. If we could put men on the moon and bring them back we could hit any target anywhere on earth. That’s what was the underlying deterrent benefit of the space program.

    Oh and Seimi yes we do know every inch of the surface of the planet. When the shuttle program was active one of it’s missions was a laser measured detailed map of the planet. We have yet to conquer the depths of the oceans, but the surface is mapped and plotted in complete detail.

    The reason GPS was opened up to the civilian market was a direct result of that mapping. We took our weapons off that system and moved them to more accurate map we created. Completely changing our guidance systems in all our missiles. Every inch of the surface has been mapped.

  10. You wouldn’t be typing on a computer arguing with a crazy yank if not for the space program Paul.

    The list of benefits have been posted here before.

  11. Oh I agree Pat, technology is a wonderful thing but to suggest that the things I mention above have benefitted the species? I’d strongly disagree.

    It’s a pity that even undiscovered space has to be subject to the envies and suspicions of the human race, weaponised and competed over. Surely it would be a more productive and positive approach if we were to adapt the approach taken with the International Space Station to space exploration in general?

  12. You wouldn’t be typing on a computer arguing with a crazy yank if not for the space program Paul.

    I support the space program, but I suspect that some of the economic and technological benefits are a bit over hyped.

    It seems to be assume that there would have been no technological progress at all in technology without the space program.

  13. Patrick is moving to the Moon. Talk about a migrant caravan…

  14. If you don’t build the wall instead, future Americans won’t have the collective IQ to spell Moon, let alone go there.

  15. Troll,
    Mapped by laser from the upper atmosphere is not the same as explored.
    Just to clarify, I’m all for developments in space exploration, but not just because China have announced similar plans (humanity should cooperate on matters extraterrestrial) and certainly not to compete with a Russian space weapons programme.
    And Time Travel? If we were to achieve that in the future, surely we would already know about it now? 🙂

  16. And there’s some Space Balls from Pete Moore…

  17. I wrote about this ages ago, by the way…

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=74985

  18. You’re right, mapping is not exploration and we know next to nothing of the ocean floor. I don’t want space militarized either, but the facts are the facts. The only reason that they will dedicate the resources to the programs is via military threat.

    If it gets us back in the space game I’ll take the excuse. I also have faith that the primary players China Russia and the US will never go to war especially in space, but competition is good.

    In space we are dependent on each other I don’t believe where manned missions are concerned hostilities in space will ever occur at least not until both the moon and mars are occupied permanently. That’s a century away.

  19. The US astronauts and Russian cosmonauts have long had a friendly, respectful relationship.

  20. Competition in the shape of weapons development is not good competition.
    And I know about the good relationships between US astronauts and Russian Cosmonauts. The original post however, specifically mentions Russian space weapons development as an impetus for doing this. Also, when you say that China are talking about going to the Moon, are you suggesting the USA should work alongside them, or try to get (back) there before them?

  21. As Pete wrote, build that Wall, otherwise this really will happen….

    https://twitter.com/DannyDutch/status/885741250317623296

  22. I agree with most of the sentiments in your post Patrick, but Seimi very succinctly put it, it’s sad that the only reason we’re reinvesting in the space program, is because we’re having a dick swinging contest with the Russians and Chinese. Which let’s be honest, is the reason for the whole Apollo programme.

  23. Phantom and Paul

    IMO space technology like sattalite targeting and missile guidance certainly hasn’t done anything for the betterment of the species either.

    It seems to be assume that there would have been no technological progress at all in technology without the space program.

    it’s demonstrably true, that an enormous amount of technological advancement came out of the whole space program. And this technological advancement, has helped massively improve the standard of living for many people.
    Whilst we may I still reach this point, even without the space program we would have been decades behind where we are now.

  24. Seimi,

    I wrote about this ages ago, by the way…

    You did Seamus, I’ll try not to confuse you with Seimi this time. 😁

  25. No problem, Paul Troll Dave! 😂

  26. Dave as I have said I agree with your 11:54 and it is a sad commentary on humans as a species. Human beings are predators…… it is what it is…. and there is nothing wrong with it.

    Just because you’re paranoid that doesn’t mean that they’re still not out to get you…….

    You see I was raised to be aware of mans natural tendency towards violence
    to just accept it as part of the equation. You can’t fight instinct, but sometimes you can use it for benefit and protection. Mans history is marked by it’s wars by it’s rising and falling of cultures and civilizations.

    Just because we have better gadgetry that doesn’t change human nature… we are violent, but we are also explorers and that’s what can bring us together

  27. The most unchartered space of all is the space between our ears.

  28. was Davinci crazy or a genius…… what do the church records say ?

  29. China has asserted imperial dominance on its Eastern and western borders And on the seas That are nowhere near China

    I would be much more concerned about what China is doing in space than I would be concerned about threadbare Russia

    China has a real economy, Russia has No such thing

    China will absolutely seek to control space, as it invreasingly controls the South China Sea

    China is thinking 100 or 500 years in advance, In a way that no western country is doing

  30. Phantom and I on the same page should scare the shit out of anybody who doubts it.

  31. Weekly Standards last gasp…..

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/media/weekly-standard-future-uncertain/index.html

  32. Tough times for much of the print media

    Support your local newspaper / your favorite magazine

  33. yup

  34. did you see how Dole looked ?

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-bob-dole-pays-emotional-tribute-to-bush-at-capitol/

  35. //China has a real economy, Russia has No such thing//

    When you think of the future, or lack thereof, of the petroleum industries and the fact that Europe is quickly moving away from coal, and that Russia is the world’s biggest coal exporter, then mother Russia better soon start making things that people want to buy or else its future will be as bleak as its past.

  36. I salute Bob Dole, also

    Russia has so many highly intelligent people,But all these years after the fall of communism, they still don’t have an an economy.

    Putin has spent His time in office smacking Ukrainians around, Instead of laying the foundation for an economy

    Russia remains in serious decline; And as I’ve said before, a rising China covets Russia’s thinly populated Asian lands. 100 years from now, Russia may not be strong enough to hold onto those lands any more

  37. Noel

    When you think of the future, or lack thereof, of the petroleum industries and the fact that Europe is quickly moving away from coal, and that Russia is the world’s biggest coal exporter, then mother Russia better soon start making things that people want to buy or else its future will be as bleak as its past.

    Do you really believe that?

    There is no substance, industry, or science that exists that can replace Oil and all the things it’s used in our societies, even as we move all industry we can to LNG the demand for oil and coal will not cease.

  38. Oil demand in developed nations has pretty much stalled. The major reason why oil consumption continues to grow is due to demand in developing nations. In developed nations I imagine the trend will continue were oil is gradually replaced. Renewable energy, hybrid cars etc… have stalled oil growth and will likely lead to oil use decline.

    The US for example uses 19.96 million barrels a day. Of that the largest chunk is in petrol for cars (9.33 barrels per day) and heating oil (3.93). As people switch to more renewable energy sources for electricity, heating etc… and move to hybrid cars then it will cut oil use massively in the west.

  39. Phantom,

    Support your local newspaper / your favorite magazine

    I do with the online versions. Printed media is almost finished.

  40. Noel,

    The most unchartered space of all is the space between our ears.

    I thought space was the final front ear?
    Badum-tish.

  41. We have 2 and half continents that have yet to industrialize Africa and south America have not yet even to begin their industrial revolutions china has begun it’s industrialization but is only just beginning.

    And the less oil is used in other US industries is always made up for at the pumps. We like to drive and we love the combustion engine. The cheaper gas is at the pumps which an unused supply for industry would cause the more the US economy grows.

    The price of gas is what pasifies or angers the middle class…. ask the french

  42. where’s Peter

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/12/05/climate-change-alarmism-worlds-leading-cause-hot-gas/#.XAfR9x9QhE4.twitter

  43. Patrick Van Roy,

    where’s Peter

    Probably given up discussing climate change with you Patrick. 😁

  44. 🙁

  45. Patrick Van Roy,

    Dave as I have said I agree with your 11:54 and it is a sad commentary on humans as a species. Human beings are predators…… it is what it is…. and there is nothing wrong with it.

    I don’t know about that Patrick. A great many people have suffered horrifically, by the atrocities committed by their fellow human beings. Whether man’s violence towards man has ultimately benefited mankind or not, is a debate that I’m sure will go on for a long time.

  46. I don’t know about that Patrick. A great many people have suffered horrifically, by the atrocities committed by their fellow human beings. Whether man’s violence towards man has ultimately benefited mankind or not, is a debate that I’m sure will go on for a long time.

    You misunderstand me there is a benefit to war but I honestly believe we can do without those benefits ever again. I merely point out that war and violence are part of what we are this hasn’t changed in all of recorded history. It’s not going to change either any time soon.

    So if we can use it to give the entrepreneur the assets needed to go back full force into space I give it a positive mark.

  47. https://apnews.com/592c1bf3301a4054ada912cdad699ca2

    China launches pioneering mission to far side of moon

  48. The dark side of the moon is intriguingly fascinating Pat.

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