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DON’T TOUCH HUAWEI PRODUCTS

By Pete Moore On December 8th, 2018

China has demanded that Canada release the arrested Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou or face consequences.

Vice Foreign Minister Le Yucheng had summoned the Canadian ambassador and lodged a “strong protest”, a statement said.

The ministry described Ms Meng’s arrest as “extremely nasty” […]

“China strongly urges the Canadian side to immediately release the detained person… otherwise Canada must accept full responsibility for the serious consequences caused,” the statement added.

Meng is the daughter of the founder of Huawei, one of China’s tech giants. Canada arrested her following a US request. She is accused of breaking sanctions on Iran.

So she’s Chinese industrial royalty. Even so, Peking is clearly furious. It’s as if she’s part of the club, a protected person. It’s hint to the very close relationship that the likes of Huawei have with the Chinese state machine, almost as if they’re part of it. Which is a very good reason not to touch anything they sell.

171 Responses to “DON’T TOUCH HUAWEI PRODUCTS”

  1. //She is accused of breaking sanctions on Iran.//

    Oh, my God. How absolutely awful!

  2. She is a Chinese National, and she supposedly was breaking US sanctions against Iran.

    But why should a Chinese National or a Chinese company be expected to obey US law?

    She has every legal right to trade with Iran all day long

    This seems to be extra territorial overreach by the US. Let her go.

  3. When I signed up for Fibre broadband with mysupplier. They gave me a router. It was a Huawei. Had difficulty in setting it up and connecting to it was sketchy. I binned it within three hours. Replaced it with Netgear. Just far better in every way. No doubt Huawei are now producing far better stuff but a few years ago it was garbage.

  4. The Sanctions on Iran are imposed on them by the US no other country has to abide by them, but if they choose not to they are in violation of US Law and ALL our trade agreements with each nation.

    This company has multiple violations first they make telephones that all communications that occur on are monitored by the chinese government. It is part of how china controls and monitors their citizens. We do not allow these phones to be sold in the US.

    With the Iran sanctions we simply state any corporation that supplies them forbidden material is in violation of our Laws and you will loose any trade deal you have in the US market and a warrant will be issued for your arrest.

    Our good neighbors the Canadians seized her on our behalf. She was actually arrested while Trump was meeting with Xi about trade sanctions….. I think that drove a point home with the Chicoms……

  5. So the US is seeking to imprison someone simply to put pressure on their government? Does that make you any different from the North Koreans?

  6. Iran and Gulf countries are in the habit of prosecuting (innocent) Westerners on trumped up charges in the hope of political and/or diplomatic payoffs. The US and China seem to be in a permanent economic standoff right now. It wouldn’t do to prosecute a Chinawoman for the same reason, if that’s what’s going on.

    Even if she is credibly accused (and I agree that she is under no obligation to obey US law outside of the US), such a move might place Americans in jeopardy in China. Either way, China is not at all happy.

  7. Huawei is big, really big.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46490053

    Huawei is one of the largest telecommunications equipment and services providers in the world, recently passing Apple to become the second-biggest smartphone maker after Samsung.

  8. Iran is the leading state sponsor of terror. The US doesn’t lock up petty vandals and return them dead or tortured as the North Koreans do…..

    All nations are free to trade with Iran, but if you do you loose the American market and you get an american warrant for your arrest. The choice is theirs….. If you want the US as an enemy don’t complain when you get screwed.

  9. Yes this Incredibly stupid arrest may well lead to mistreatment Of Americans in China

  10. “All nations are free to trade with Iran, but if you do you loose the American market and you get an american warrant for your arrest.”

    Which makes America nothing more than a school yard bully.

  11. “Our good neighbors the Canadians…”
    It’s funny. Barely a month ago, the same commentator was chastising these same ‘good neighbors,’ because they wouldn’t dance to Trump’s tune or something…

  12. “Iran is the leading state sponsor of terror. (Apart from Saudi Arabia, but they give us lots of money, so they get a bye ball). “

  13. Yes and I think that the honorable fraud endoresed the unjust tariffs brought against Canadian steel makers

  14. Patrick. You can’t say in the same sentence that other countries are free to trade with Iran but then claim that if they do then individuals involved can be subject to American arrest warrants. On what grounds should a Chinese citizen working in Canada be required to obey American law on trade with Iran ?

  15. All nations are free to trade with Iran, but if you do you loose the American market and you get an american warrant for your arrest

    If that’s not a definition of imperial over-reach then I don’t know what would be.

  16. It’s a choice Colm….. They can sell to Iran a country we consider an enemy. As a result we will ban your companies products from the US and we will issue a Warrant for your arrest.

    Her family chose to sell to Iran knowing the consequences. They felt it was more profitable to deal with Iran than the US. Then she was stupid enough to set foot in North America…..

    Her choice…… we didn’t go looking for her.

  17. “Her choice”

    And when Americans get locked up in Chinese camps then it’s pretty much their choice. They were stupid enough to be Americans.

  18. There are two ways of dealing with an enemy Economic force and Military Force. We have chosen to choke Iran Financially if nobody wants to abide our sanctions fine.

    Then they lose their access to our market and they help keep the terror regime in Iran afloat which means we will eventually then just bomb Iran.

  19. The US should have no right to criminally prosecute her, Based on the facts that I see

    Chinese people not resident in the US do not have to obey American law As a general principle

    Extra territorial prosecution, as said here very recently is usually a very wrong thing.

    This certainly appears to be a violation of international law. Shame on Canada for playing along with the Imposter on this. This will harm Americans, and will make the trade negotiations worse

    Not just wrong, not just illegal, but stupid

  20. PVR is the type of American who is astonished to discover that the US is not liked by some, and astonished that his country is thought of as arrogant.

    All nations are free to trade with Iran, but if you do you loose the American market ..

    Fine.

    .. and you get an american warrant for your arrest

    Not fine. That’s a warrant begging to be returned to sender with a f*** off attached. PVR needs to understand that Americans and America are easy to like and respect as long as they rein in the bullshit. Keep yourselves to yourselves, treat others as you want to be treated, and all is cool. But stepping outside of your box is rather rude.

    Just back off.

  21. Pete nails it

    The US appears to be entirely wrong here

  22. //The Sanctions on Iran are imposed on them by the US no other country has to abide by them, but if they choose not to they are in violation of US Law //

    That even contradicts itself. If you are not obliged to obey something, then you are not in violation of the law if you don’t.

  23. Her family chose to sell to Iran knowing the consequences. They felt it was more profitable to deal with Iran than the US. Then she was stupid enough to set foot in North America…..

    Her choice…… we didn’t go looking for her.

    So, one country asks another country to arrest a foreign national in a different jurisdiction because her company supposedly broke sanctions in a third country imposed on a fourth country?

    Universal Jurisdiction is nonsense.

    Who said that?

  24. The US has no proper moral or legal authority to govern the actions of non citizens/non residents in such cases.

    All this succeeds in doing is that the master negotiator completely messes up the trade negotiation with China even more than before

  25. It’s obvious that Trump is now fully signed up to the neo-con project:

    1. Trade war with China
    2. Regime change in Iran
    3. Abandoning Nato
    4. Cosying up to Putin
    5. Leaving the UN

  26. Phantom,

    She is a Chinese National, and she supposedly was breaking US sanctions against Iran.

    But why should a Chinese National or a Chinese company be expected to obey US law?

    She has every legal right to trade with Iran all day long

    This seems to be extra territorial overreach by the US. Let her go.

    Reposted that because I couldn’t have said it better myself.
    The US has no right to arrest this woman.

  27. The Canadians also deserve criticism for pandering to this arrogant and illegal demand. Canada is a sovereign and independent country is it not ?. It seems however that even the Americans are realising they need to find other reasons to extradite her, hence the suggestions that she has been involved in fraud and using multiple passports.

  28. Canada fulfilled it’s legal obligation to detain her under a US warrant, she has not been sent to the US as the courts are determining the legitimacy of the US warrant

    It’s too bad the Chinese do not understand Canada is not a banana Republic and her fate will be determined legally not politically

  29. Pete Moore, on December 8th, 2018 at 7:49 PM Said:

    Huawei is big, really big

    How did that happen?

    US-based corporate execs noticed that China is cheap so, in typical ‘borderless’ idiocy decided – let’s move production to China and shut down those ‘expensive’ US factories – and so they did exactly that.

    This is funny……

    Canada fulfilled it’s legal obligation to detain her under a US warrant, she has not been sent to the US as the courts are determining the legitimacy of the US warrant

    It’s too bad the Chinese do not understand Canada is not a banana Republic

    Canada arrests a visitor to Canada as under legal obligation to the US – and that’s not bananism?

  30. Canada should let her go

  31. It’s part of a legal treaty Canada was required to detain her to determine her status

    If it’s judged illegitimate then she will be allowed to continue on her way

    Neither her nationality or her wealth puts her beyond the law in Canada

  32. EP

    Yes the legal niceties of international cooperation probably do require that Canada has to examine the US case for extradition but it shouldn’t take too long to determine that if the only US case against her is that she is involved in trade with Iran then any Canadian judge should throw the case out pronto.

  33. The Canadians Appear to have every right to be angry at the US over this

    If they follow The law And let her go, the tweety imposter will be mad at them

    If they extradite her to the US, they will face severe repercussions from China

    The American side has unnecessarily put the Canadians in a no-win situation – That’s not what friends do

  34. Colm that is precisely what is being determined but if the judge does decide to extradite her then she has the right of appeal all the way to the Supreme Court, her case in Canada alone could take till the end of the turnip administration

    Right now all they are determining is whether she is eligible for bail and let’s face it she is almost uniquely capable of fleeing the jurisdiction. Personally I believe she should be granted bail

  35. The strange thing about this situation is “Why her ? “ . She is not American and she has not been arrested on American soil. There must be thousands of non American people in Canada and Europe and elsewhere perfectly legitimately trading with Iran . Why isn’t the American administration seeking to extradite all of them ?

  36. Those ‘good neighbours’ in Canada are probably getting a bit pissed off with Trump right about now…

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-46548614

  37. Colm, on December 9th, 2018 at 10:52 PM Said:
    EP

    Yes the legal niceties of international cooperation probably do require that Canada has to examine the US case for extradition but it shouldn’t take too long to determine that if the only US case against her is that she is involved in trade with Iran then any Canadian judge should throw the case out pronto.

    Just checking in here I have a question if Tony Ryan made missiles and The EU put a sales Embargo on selling missile parts to Argentina, because Argentina has a plant that assembles missiles that the argentine government then shoot those into Brazil and other south american companies loaded with Sarin gas but they do it by supplying ms-13 with the sarin missiles letting them do the actual as to keep the elected officials hands clean.

    Now Tony needs to sell his missile parts and he say’s fuck the EU sanctions Argentina is my best customer so he just continues to sell the parts.

    Tony’s Son Cathal Ryan who runs the missile parts manufacturing for his father then Shows up in Mexico and they have trade and extradition treaties with the EU should Mexico Honor the Warrants for Tony and his son?

    or just tell the EY fuck off we don’t care to honor our treaty with you because it’s not our people that are dying from these Sarin missiles we’re not going to Arrest him and allow you to extradite….

    Would that be Ok with you Colm?

  38. Well firstly both Tony and Cathal Ryan are dead so I doubt they could be held accountable for anything.

    Secondly, Tony and Cathal Ryan were Irish citizens so if the Irish government passed a law saying they couldn’t sell missiles to Argentina and they continued to do so then they should be held accountable.

    Meng Wanzhou is not American and so is not accountable to US law unless she resides in the United States.

    So the comparison is not apt.

  39. Huh?

  40. As a general rule, A country should have no right to seek the arrest Of foreigners Who did things outside the country

    The US has no right to govern this woman’s personal or business conduct.

    This case is an injustice, Which puts the United States in a fairly identical category with China, which, as noted, Has detained innocent Canadians in retaliation

  41. Patrick,

    Say the EU bans arms sales to Israel. Can EU countries start arresting Americans if they don’t comply?

  42. yes it is there are international warrants for both Ryans because Argentina can’t build the Sarin Missiles without them and they are still supplying them.

    But hey fuck those Warrants, fuck those people killed by those missiles. Just because the Ryans are legitimately wanted by Law Mexico has nothing to do with it, Mexico just Ignores the warrants.

    Now the EU sells Billions of Dollars worth a goods to Mexico and Mexico sells Billions of dollars of goods to the EU, but since Mexico now refuses to abide by international treaty Law and says fu EU Cathal Ryan is free to go then says well Mexico is not Honoring it’s legal treaties the EU is now going to cancel all orders with and to Mexico and the Mexican people now suffer as their economy collapses because no one will trade with a Country that ignores International law… but hey Cathal Ryan is free.

  43. The comparison isn’t apt because the Ryans (who I again remind you are dead) are citizens of Ireland (and thus citizens of the European Union). Thus they are breaking their own nation’s laws.

  44. Seamus, on December 13th, 2018 at 1:28 PM Said:
    Patrick,

    Say the EU bans arms sales to Israel. Can EU countries start arresting Americans if they don’t comply?

    YES

  45. With technology criminals no longer have to bodily enter a country to cause crimes there. Accordingly, there are treaties and other agreements under international law that allow for extraterritorial cooperation among nations. I don’t know the merits of this particular case, but detaining her is not necessarily wrong and probably quite legal.

  46. And you won’t bitch and moan when it happens?

  47. If you want Global Law to work you have to follow it….. or fuck it we just start landing snatch squads in any country where these people go and each nation can arrest criminals that way.

  48. Seamus – No. Noncompliance isn’t the triggering factor. An American selling straight to Israel would not be subject to arrest. If an American defrauded EU banks or companies to do so then the answer could be yes.

  49. No one here has an issue with the extradition process. If Ms Weng has committed crimes in the United States then she should be extradited.

    She just hasn’t committed any crime in the United States.

  50. Attempts by nations to impose their national law overseas are often extremely pernicious, as here.

    And China can and will fight back, using even more dirty and unethical methods.

    The US has shot itself in the foot here. And Canada shouldn’t be a party to it.

  51. “And China can and will fight back, using even more dirty and unethical methods.”

    They’ve already arrested two Canadians for ‘harming’ China’s national security.

  52. The US ( with Canada as an accomplice ) are misusing the law in the service of chaotic lawlessness.

  53. Seamus – a criminal doesn’t have to be in a country to cause crimes to be committed there.

  54. The Canadians acted properly. Trump’s dangling her as trade bait is wildly improper.

  55. True, but the question is always one of jurisdiction. If Weng has committed crimes then detail them to where she was when she committed them. And expect them to prosecute.

  56. This whole thing is utterly ridiculous. America has no right to arrest this woman, and Canada has no right to detain her. She hasn’t committed any crime in the US or Canada as far as I know.

  57. I am no international law guru, but the standard isn’t what Dave knows. If she has violated the law by conspiracy to commit bank fraud in US then she does not have to step in the US to have committed that crime. The Canadians can detain and review an extra diction request.

  58. Who’s law? She isn’t a US citizen and she wasn’t present in the US at the time. Thus US law is irrelevant to her.

    It would be like China requesting extradition of someone in a third country for criticising the Chinese government. Ie it would be illegal in China but not in the country they were actually in.

  59. Mahons

    Not buying that

    If you really want to start going down that road, there is no end to it

    Many countries have beefs with many other countries

    If you want to have endless prosecutions of executives Who are not breaking any law in their own countries, this is a great way to start

    This is 100% about Iran

    And I don’t think that she has broken any Chinese law

  60. Mahons

    To be honest mate, that just sounded like a load of word salad from you.
    Unless you know something I don’t, this woman hasn’t committed any crime in the US or Canada. Therefore they have no right to detain or arrest her.

  61. The US Has some stupid law that makes it illegal for US companies to boycott Israel

    The Arab countries have stupid laws that mandate boycotts of Israel

    Which laws are just?

    I say neither

    But either has potential to cause problems for international executivestrying to Run a company

  62. If Weng has committed crimes then detail them to where she was when she committed them. And expect them to prosecute.

    If Weng was a Saudi national.

    There would be no “crime”.

  63. Phantom,

    Which laws are just?

    I say neither

    And I agree.

  64. Harri,

    If Weng was a Saudi national.

    There would be no “crime”.

    That’s true.
    Mind you, when you when you comes to letting Saudi nationals get away with murder, (literally in some cases), the UK has a tough record to beat.

  65. Selective and clumsy prosecution attempt that may be against Internatonal law?

  66. Dave.

    When it comes to murder, I would say, most, if not all States have a tough record to beat.

    The US of A, are possibly World leaders though on that one.

    No offence intended to our American friends here, proficiency needs to be recognised.

  67. Dave
    Dunno about that. Saudis murdered what? 2500 US citizens in one attack and got away with nothing more than a multi-billion dollar arms contract. That’s hard to beat.

  68. Have you heard of the USSR, China Or Germany?

  69. Harri

    What about North Korea? Have you heard about them

  70. Phantom

    North Korea haven’t invaded half the Middle East, and approximately another 50 countries in the last century.

  71. Seimi and Harri

    Fair points guys, but as Phantom pointed out, most countries are pretty guilty of this. Governments round the world have an appalling track record of hypocrisy and double standards.

  72. North Korea starve 1 million of its own people and gives him zero rights But that’s OK since it’s their own country right?

    You win the Ron Paul award of the day

  73. Harri

    In the forties, we invaded Japan, France, Italy, other European nations North Africa, etc

    I am sure that you agreed that these invasions were justified, and that they should never be included in the same category as unwise invasions, as it Vietnam and Iraq

  74. Phantom

    How many people go hungry in America each year?

    Now, how much does Uncle Sam spend on finding “new &exciting” and more proficient ways of killing people? Just remind me again.

  75. Harri

    It is a sad but truthfull fact of life all through history and around the world that the development of weaponry to kill people more efficiently has been one of the biggest drivers of technological “progress”. It has never been just an American thing. It’s the reality of different people sharing the planet without trust in each other.

  76. Phantom

    In the forties, we invaded Japan, France, Italy, other European nations North Africa, etc

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions

    I know, some “have a dream, and Uncle Sam, has a drone”

    Okay, we get it.

  77. Colm, on December 13th, 2018 at 3:57 PM Said:
    Harri

    It is a sad but truthfull fact of life all through history and around the world that the development of weaponry to kill people more efficiently has been one of the biggest drivers of technological “progress”

    Colm

    Granted, but who are “world leaders” in the art of killing proficiently?

  78. Take your pick Harri. The Americans , the Russians, The Syrians, the Saudis in Yemen, the Rwandans, the former Yugoslavian countries, the Sri Lankan’s, Al Queda, Islamic State, Boko Harum….. etc etc .

  79. Harri

    You’re all over the place

  80. Phantom – her arrest was for a crime committed in this country (apparently bank fraud conspiracy). Had she merely directly traded with Iran no arrest.

  81. Colm, on December 13th, 2018 at 4:25 PM Said:
    Take your pick Harri. The Americans

    Okay.

    I pick the Americans.

  82. Phantom

    Phantom

    How many people go hungry in America each year?

    ?

    You mentioned one million North Koreans.

    Now, how many Americans.

    Try to answer, without “going all over the place”?

  83. Nobody in America goes hungry to the extent of the starving to death famine that North Korea experienced in the late 1990s . Estimates are that between 1 and 3 million people died prematurely due to real chronic shortages of any food. Poverty in the USA is a real but seperate issue, incomparable with what happened in North Korea.

  84. There are hungry here, but there are is no starvation.

    There was starvation in North Korea very recently. Done by policy.

    Don’t recall too much comment about it by the Ron Paul / Pontius Pilate crowd, those who never shut up about the US, and its real and imagined sins.

  85. mahons

    I have exceptional suspicion of the wisdom and legality of the US action here.

    Some prosecutor may think that he has been mighty clever, but I don’t see too much cleverness in this.

  86. Phantom, on December 13th, 2018 at 5:14 PM Said:
    There are hungry here, but there are is no starvation.

    Nice try Phantom.

    You mentioned “one million” in North Korea.

    Now, again, how many in mighty America?

  87. I have exceptional suspicion of the wisdom and legality of the US action here.

    Oh, well that’s alright then.

    Some pretty well off bloke in New York, has “exceptional suspicion of the wisdom and legality of the US action here”.

    Okay!

    😏

  88. Harri

    How many Americans die of starvation because there is literally no food available for them in their locales to either buy or even steal ?

  89. Why don’t you come over here and do a survey with Allan.

    There are hungry in the UK too I hate to inform you. Why the big concern about America so suddenly? You and Allan love us so much?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/food-bank-uk-benefits-trussell-trust-cost-of-living-highest-rate-a8317001.html

  90. harri

    What the hell are you even trying to say? Is there any thought there? I am agreeing that the US position is wrong, and you get all two and twenty magpies on us

  91. Phantom

    Now you realise the exasperation the rest of us have with Harri’s all over the place illogicalities 😉

  92. I just want to be clear about my post earlier. I am not saying that the USA are worse than any other country in terms of human rights abuses. In truth, I believe the majority of Americans live lives that are the envy of much of the world.
    My point was purely about the hypocrisy of some (ok, just one) individuals who will condemn one country for its apparent dealings with terrorists, but happily sell arms to another country, one whose citizens carried out the largest ever terrorist attack on US soil, and who rank very high up in the rankings in terms of human rights abuses against its own people.

  93. At last,a bit of sense from Harri. But I bet it won’t last long 😉

  94. Seamus, on December 13th, 2018 at 1:42 PM Said:
    No one here has an issue with the extradition process. If Ms Weng has committed crimes in the United States then she should be extradited.

    She just hasn’t committed any crime in the United States.

    So you don’t believe in International Law. You believe if someone is engaged in terrorist activity because that what her company did supply forbidden technology to a Nation on the International List of State Sponsors of Terror.

    By BREAKING INTERNATIONAL LAW which is how the US Sanctions against Iran are filed and as accepted as Law by every nation that has filed a cooperation treaty with Interpol.

    She, her father and their company is in violation of aiding Terrorism.

    Now Canada belongs to the CIVILIZED World and followed INTERNATIONAL LAW.

    But hey if you want to say that those treaty’s on international law carry no weight. The chicom terror supporting commie bastard is not in America and committed their Crime outside the US…. so fuck the US.

    Well there is no other country in the world that EXCEPT the United States that can enforce the Rule of Law or more properly turn these type of violations SUPPORTING TERRORISM over to our Military to handle.

    There is not a single location on Earth that is out of range of our drones. You have now left us no other choice but to treat this as a military situation since International Law does not exist.

    If you support, or harbor anyone that YOU have no forced the reclassification of from a Fugitive of International Law to a military target will shall act accordingly and hit those targets anywhere in the world that we locate them.

    That is the alternative Seamus….. is that how you want these situations handled?

  95. Colm,

    Now you realise the exasperation the rest of us have with Harri’s all over the place illogicalities 😉

    We’ve lost our Harri buffer, Jude. 😁

  96. Schmuck, if you’re going to refer to me have the courtesy to do so by name.

    My point was purely about the hypocrisy of some (ok, just one) individuals who will condemn one country for its apparent dealings with terrorists, but happily sell arms to another country, one whose citizens carried out the largest ever terrorist attack on US soil, and who rank very high up in the rankings in terms of human rights abuses against its own people.

  97. There is not a single location on Earth that is out of range of our drones. You have now left us no other choice but to treat this as a military situation since International Law does not exist.

    Bloody hell.

    Told you so.

  98. I wouldn’t recommend that we fire any drones into China.

    Just because we can do something stupid doesn’t mean that we should do it.

    China will continue to trade with Iran, as will Russia ( if Russia even has anything useful to trade ) . If the US doesn’t like it, tough titty.

    There are limits to US power. This is not a new thing. Nor is it a tragedy.

  99. We’ve lost our Harri buffer, Jude. 😁

    Shortly shum mistake.

    You mean “buffoon”.

    😏

  100. Oh no I just realised my error. I thought the 5:38pm post was by Harri, hence my following comment about his bit of sense. I now see it was from Seimi. Apologies, Seimi, I should have realised such a sensible comment couldn’t have been penned by ATWs resident loon 😉

  101. Patrick

    So you don’t believe in International Law.

    What is this ‘international law’ you speak of? Who decides these international laws and did China sign up to obay these international laws?
    Also, if China shouldn’t trade with terrorists like Iran, how come it’s ok for the US to trade with terrorists like Saudi Arabia?

  102. Troll
    OK, Troll.
    Everyone, in my post at 5.38, I was referring to Troll.
    Happy, Troll?
    😁

  103. Like it or not, China will do much more trade with Iran over the next 20 years, not less.

    Look up the Belt and Road initiative. Iran is part of this huge construction project.

    The US does not control every molecule on the earth, hate to tell you.

  104. yes Schmuck thank you…. 🙂

  105. Colm,

    I should have realised such a sensible comment couldn’t have been penned by ATWs resident loon 😉

    Has Harri taken that distinction from Patrick then?
    Only joking Patrick. 😉

  106. Colm
    You burst Harri’s bubble there. Just for a few minutes, he’d been searching through his previous posts, desperately trying to find the sensible one! 😂

  107. Phantom, on December 13th, 2018 at 6:16 PM Said:
    Like it or not, China will do much more trade with Iran over the next 20 years, not less.

    more than they will with the US?

  108. Phantom

    You are correct the USA does not control every molecule in earth. Harri knows who does. I will give you a clue. There are seven of them. 😉

  109. Troll,
    The difference is, I have never used the name ‘Schmuck’ on ATW, whereas you have been, and always will be, Troll 😊

  110. The US will be China’s largest market by far.

    But we can’t and won’t stop them from trading with Iran. It is a matter of both pride and economics and strategy for them.

    We can stop certain Chinese companies from trading with Iran, but we won’t stop all Chinese companies from trading with Iran.

    Never gonna happen.

    Why would we even aspire to such a thing?

    China and many other countries don’t agree with the US on this matter at all.

  111. Seimi.

    Sorry to jump in here, but seeming as you are pretty prone to shit stirring on ATW.

    You are, and will always be a Smuck.

    😀

  112. Is that the British spelling of schmuck ? 😉

  113. Good one, Harri. Well done. 🙄

  114. It’s Harri’s spelling of Schmuck. Then again, Harri’s spelling of Harry is Harri…

  115. https://www.harrysnyc.com/

    Famous old restaurant by that name here

  116. Seimi.

    Its Finnish.

    You bigot.

  117. Dave Alton, on December 13th, 2018 at 6:15 PM Said:
    Patrick

    So you don’t believe in International Law.

    What is this ‘international law’ you speak of? Who decides these international laws and did China sign up to obay these international laws?
    Also, if China shouldn’t trade with terrorists like Iran, how come it’s ok for the US to trade with terrorists like Saudi Arabia?

    China is bound by Law through the U.N,,

    The U.N. recognizes the US List of State Sponsors of Terror and the Sanctions that Apply to it as Does Interpol which is why the Canadians could detain her.

    Saudi Arabia is NOT on OUR List of State Sponsors of Terror. So that’s how we can justify selling ANYTHING to them.

  118. Harri,
    I wish you would Finnish…

  119. Actually Harri is short for Harriet. Now we know the old girl’s real identity 😉

  120. AFAIK there are no UN sanctions against Iran.

    This is a US thing.

    It’s unilateral.

    China, Russia, Europe are not leading any of this AFAIK.

  121. Don’t, Colm. He’ll only start his other oh-so-funny routine about how I’m a girl…

  122. Seimi

    Adjective

    smuck (comparative smucker, superlative smuckst)

    cute, pretty

    Harri thinks your cute Seimi, you lucky boy.

  123. *Throws up a little*

  124. No it’s my spelling of Schmuck…. and I have my own rules on spelling.

    Seimi (Schmuck) insists on calling me Troll. The Troll is retired.

    He can call me…: Pat, Paddy, PVR, Patrick, Patrick Van Roy….. He can call me by anything he chooses, but if he wants respect he can use one of the ones I listed.

    If not he gets what he Gives Troll/Schmuck…..

  125. Seimi.

    We are all girls here on ATW. Only we don’t realise we need a real man like Harri to control us 🥰

  126. No worries, Troll 😊👍

  127. sick bastard….. 😉

  128. Come on Patrick, you just want Seimi to call you….😍

  129. I did call you PaTroll for a while. Would that compromise be acceptable, Troll? 😊

  130. Harri thinks your cute Seimi, you lucky boy.

    Nah

    Seimi is definitely all woman.

    😂

  131. I never pictured Seimi as a woman….. I don’t know how Harri could.

    I always pictured Seimi like this….. (me and Seimi having a debate)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUUc-5uxz44

  132. yes Seimi

  133. “Séimí is definitely all woman.”
    This, despite my having directed him towards a post with my photo in it… What type of women does Harri mix with?

    PaTroll – I’m much better looking than that 😉

  134. 🙂

  135. Patrick and Seimi reach a deal. Wonderful. Now can you both sort out Brexit for us 😉

  136. and I’m a shade lighter….

  137. No Com Brexit is F**ked

  138. Hard Brexit, with a reunified Ireland remaining in the EU. We’ll finally be rid of you Brits. Good enough, Colm? 😁

  139. This, despite my having directed him towards a post with my photo in it… What type of women does Harri mix with?

    Women, not as bitchy as you for a start.

    Your Husband needs a medal.

    😏

  140. I saw a great post on social media recently, which read something like;

    If the British had negotiated this badly back in 1922, we would have got our entire country back and probably Wales too.

    😊

  141. Hard Brexit, with a reunified Ireland as a full Member State of Great Britain. Good enough,

  142. Harri

    And you have the cheek to call someone on another thread a bore?? Get some new gags at least…

  143. PaTroll
    Come on over and try that one, see how far you get 😉

  144. not far I suspect……

  145. Seimi

    Fine for me. I can get an Irish passport when Britain goes down the pan 😉

    PS , given Harri’s belief in your gender , I’m sure he would be happy to give you a hard Brexit 😱

  146. Colm please! I’m having a hard time keeping my dinner down here!

  147. PS , given Harri’s belief in your gender , I’m sure he would be happy to give you a hard Brexit 😱

    Nah.

    Seimi has posted a picture of herself.

    Er, no thanks.

    😏

  148. Obsession, by Harri

  149. Seimi.

    You posted the picture.

    😀

  150. please where is the link to this picture….. I have to see it.

  151. And you obsessed over it…

  152. Harri, I know it must be difficult for you to hear/read, but not only am I not into 60 year old racists, I’m also with someone else. Sorry man.

  153. That was addressed to Harri.

    PS Patrick. It was in a link on a post the other day. A post from a couple of years ago when David met Seimi and Paul in Belfast.

  154. Seimi

    60 is not Harri’s age… it’s his IQ 😉

  155. PaTroll
    It was from the first time Paul and I met with David. You saw it at the time. I’m the one on the right.

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=34417

    Harri has been pining for me for ages because of it.

  156. for Phantom……

    https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/12/13/the-culture-has-to-change-gualtieri-says-schools-must-change/

    Florida school massacre panel recommends arming teachers with concealed weapons

  157. IQ of 60? How kind of you, Colm 😂

  158. Harri, I know it must be difficult for you to hear/read, but not only am I not into 60 year old racists

    Obviously your husband is not as fussy.

    😀

  159. So Seimi, not only are you a woman, but you are a 60 year old racist woman. A sort of Irish Brigitte Bardot 😉

  160. Colm.

    I have seen an image of Seimi.

    65 to the day if i am not mistaken.

  161. Harri
    Why are you obsessed with my gender? Do you feel some sort of attraction to me?
    It can’t just be for some comedic value, because it wasn’t even that funny in the first place. But you seem to be chasing me across various threads, metaphorically squealing and giggling like a schoolgirl, and I’m seriously not interested.
    Sorry if that disappoints you, but that’s just how it is.
    This forum is supposed to be about politics etc. If you want to hit on some man, there are other forums on which you can do that.
    Hope that helps 😊

  162. Bridget O’Bardot?

  163. Seimi.

    You post civil.

    You get civil in return.

    I hope that helps?

  164. Bridget O’Bardot?

    Er, no, she is much taller.

  165. Harri
    You post bollocks
    Full stop

  166. Seimi.

    Likewise.

  167. Get a room you two 😉

  168. Harri would like that, I think

  169. Harri would like that, then he wouldn’t, then he would, then he wouldn’t,…. and in the midst of all that consistency he would then spot seven presidents in the room. 😉

  170. Obsessions, by Harri 😊

  171. Seimi

    I think Harri has gone to bed…. looking up dreamily at that picture of you he has on his bedroom wall.. 😍

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