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WHY THE EU MILITARISES

By Pete Moore On December 8th, 2018

Suppression of internal dissent

Check this armoured vehicle on the streets of Paris today. Check out the EU flag it sports – not a French flag, but an EU flag.

It’s an armoured vehicle of the European Gendarmerie Force, “a European intervention force with militarised police functions and specialisation in crisis management.” All militaries exist, ultimately, for internal control. That’s how arrogant and detached the globalists are. They think they can run multinational forces on our streets and get away with it.

193 Responses to “WHY THE EU MILITARISES”

  1. How appropriate for EU federalist Macron to use this against French citizens. This is bound to do wonders for his approval ratings.

  2. But, but, but…there is, and will be no EU army.

    Once the EU army is up and running, Brussels might allow their unredacted expenses to be published.

    And boy, will they probably need that EU army then.

    Not even the Irish will stay neutral.

  3. The protests have been violent

    Should the cops waive feathers at them

  4. No Phantom, the issue is the flag on the armoured car.

  5. How appropriate for EU federalist Macron to use this against French citizens. This is bound to do wonders for his approval ratings.

    Pfffft, who cares about people or their ratings?

    Macrons Rothschild rating would be through the roof.

  6. I suppose

    But isn’t that EU flag on most of your automobile license plates over there? In some of your countries at least

    And the stupid French are pretty fanatically pro EU

  7. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Europe

  8. And the stupid French are pretty fanatically pro EU

    No,the French are fanatically pro German.

    The French know just who rubs Europe.

    So, Ze Germans running Europe, what could possibly go wrong?

  9. The major flaw in this argument is that the European Gendarmerie Force is not an EU organisation.

    But don’t let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

  10. *runs

  11. Anyway, it’s not an EU army (yet) its a “defence force”

    😏

  12. GOTCHA!!

    That’ll be proof of the EU Army then, a voluntary seven member police co operation force.

    Phew! Just as well things like Europol and Interpol don’t exist. That would truly be proof of the New World Order.

  13. Yes Harri, just like the Israeli Army doesn’t exist either. It’s also a “defence force” which just happens to do most of its defending outside Israel.

  14. Thats how it works

    If you have to defend your country on your own soil you are at an extreme disadvantage

    Especially when so many Arabs and Muslims want to exterminate the Jewish state

  15. I bet some didn’t actually believe a Common Market free trade area, would end up with EU stickers on armoured police co operation forces military vehicles?

    Mugs.

  16. Peter.

    I have a sneaky feeling, the Brussels Defence Force will be defending most of its battles inside the Brussels empire.

  17. The major flaw in this argument is that the European Gendarmerie Force is not an EU organisation.

    Well it is. It is sanctified by the EU, it is made up of purely EU-nation military police forces, and the commands are established for it to be deployed by the EU. The EU flag is even on the hardware. To say that it’s not an EU organisation is sophistry.

  18. Lol.

    Fake news at its finest.

    France is in turmoil but oooh look at the flag.

  19. What the EU needs to make itself more popular.

    Is more Presidents.

  20. it’s not an ‘army’ Nor a ‘defense force’. It’s also not part of the Common Security and Defence Policy nor Permanent Structured Cooperation. It’s a co operative police project and was frmed by agreement between five EU members in 2006.

    But hey,

    GOTCHA!! THE SECRET’S OUT

  21. To say that it’s not an EU organisation is sophistry.

    It could even be construed as dissent?

    And this will not be tolerated.

  22. Paul McMahon, on December 8th, 2018 at 9:01 PM Said:
    GOTCHA!!

    Paul McMahon, on December 8th, 2018 at 9:23 PM Said:

    GOTCHA!! THE SECRET’S OUT

    Oh dear, oh deary, deary me.

  23. It’s also not part of the Common Security and Defence Policy

    A Common security and defence policy?

    I thought we joined a common market free trade area.

    Not the Fourth Reich?.

  24. Interesting though that the APC in question only bears the name ‘Gendarmerie’ in French and not ‘European Gendarmerie Force?’

    https://goo.gl/images/VqoZri

    What makes you think that it’s not only the French Gendarmerie nationale with a Euro flag on their APC?

    I thought we joined a common market free trade area

    You did, forty five years ago. Are you the same person you were forty five years ago?

  25. You did, forty five years ago. Are you the same person you were forty five years ago?

    No, but at least I have had a say on that one.

  26. Now, call me an old cynic.

    But why is there an EU empire sticker on a paramilitary armoured vehicle?

  27. No, but at least I have had a say on that one.

    That answers your own question then.

    But why is there an EU empire sticker on a paramilitary armoured vehicle?

    Purchased with EU as opposed to French national funds?

  28. //So, Ze Germans running Europe, what could possibly go wrong?//

    Actually, Germany isn’t a member of the European Gendarmerie Force.

    //I have a sneaky feeling, the Brussels Defence Force will be defending most of its battles inside the Brussels empire.//

    Actually, Belgium isn’t a member of the European Gendarmerie Force either.

  29. EU funds?.

    The EU haven’t got any funds.

  30. European Gendarmerie Force

    ?

    I thought it was just a Common Market free trade area?.

  31. So, Ze Germans running Europe, what could possibly go wrong?//

    The last two times, it resulted in approximately 100 million dead.

  32. Harri talking to himself again.

  33. Harri –

    We’ve been GOTCHA’D!!!!

    EGF armoured vehicles, from purely EU nations, which is set up by the EU, with EU command posts, and with EU flags plastered on them, HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EU!

    DOH!

  34. Lol!

    😀

    Noel, on December 8th, 2018 at 9:49 PM Said:
    //So, Ze Germans running Europe, what could possibly go wrong?//

    Actually, Germany isn’t a member of the European Gendarmerie Force.

    //I have a sneaky feeling, the Brussels Defence Force will be defending most of its battles inside the Brussels empire.//

    Actually, Belgium isn’t a member of the European Gendarmerie Force either.

    Well apart from Noel…that is.

    😀

  35. Look, its all rather quite simple.

    Noel, and his ilk, want, or indeed maybe “needs” an EU Empire Federalist European Superstate, run by the few, for the few.

    I personally…. Don’t.

    Thanks for the offer, but no thanks.

  36. EGF armoured vehicles, from purely EU nations, which is set up by the EU, with EU command posts, and with EU flags plastered on them, HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EU!

    Lets be honest here, they have absolutely nothing to do with a Common Market free trade area either.

  37. Pete, the secret’s out…….it’s a secret that’s twelve years old but it’s out anyway.

    Great work Sherlock.

  38. Paul

    Its a fair cop guv.

    We will come quietly.

    We’ve been GOTCHA’D!!!!

    😀

  39. I’ve just realised where London went wrong.

    If only it had slapped an EU flag on everything it sent into West Belfast and Londonderry then everything would have been fine. Look at how relaxed these Irish nationalists are with EU flags on military vehicles!

    But at least that’s the NI border issue solved.

  40. Superb Pete.

    Lol

    😀

  41. I’ve just realised where London went wrong.

    Subjugation and then partition was were London went wrong

  42. //If only it had slapped an EU flag on everything it sent into West Belfast and Londonderry then everything would have been fine. //

    Well, yes, if that army had been from an impartial European force everything would indeed have been fine.

    But unfortunately they were British. You see, Britain could not be impartial in Ireland. So pretty soon that army started shoring up a bigoted Unionist regime under the same Orange party that had been exclusively in power ever since Northern Ireland was established and that despised and massively discriminated against its Catholic minority.

    That was the British army’s role, and once the Catholics took to protesting, like the Yellow protests in Paris today, why, the British army simply started shooting them dead on the streets.

    So, I agree. Sending a British army to Ireland is definitely where London went wrong.

  43. As hard as he tries, Noel’s naked Irish bigotry always slips through.

  44. It’s now ‘naked Irish bigotry’ to object to having British soldiers shoot civilians in Ireland.
    I hope you’re learning from this, Noel.

  45. Also, isn’t it ‘superb’ that Harri goes on and on about ‘ze Germans’ when he is employed by them?

  46. There are EU bloody flags on almost everything. Soon we will have to have EU tattoos on our bloody foreheads.

    Today in my local I saw a woman dressed in EU garb handing out EU literature. No one was taking it as there were piles and people were just walking by. An this was an area that voted, very strongly, for Remain.

    There are EU flags everywhere. It is next to national flags at government press conferences, on car number places, driving licenses and on projects that have received, even if it were a small amount, cash. It is this rampant indoctrination that I so loathe. They bang on about the evils of nationalism only to replace it with their own version. What is so different from the xenophobia exhibited by the likes of President Macron towards the Russians, Chinese and the USA, and that displayed by other demigods of the 1930’s and 40’s ?

    So to me the symbol on that armoured car is relevant. It is NOT the French national flag but the national flag of another power. Symbolism of this kind really does mean something and if you choose to wilfully turn a blind eye to it you become an accessory to the horrors it unleashes.

    Interesting though that the APC in question only bears the name ‘Gendarmerie’ in French and not ‘European Gendarmerie Force?’

    Irrelevant.

  47. How desperate the anti EU fanatics are that they seize on a picture of a little plastic EU flag sticker on a vehicle in Paris ,where the police were simply trying to stop unjustified mass vandalism and violence and they claim its a sinister evil Brisssels conspiracy to crush internal dissent. Pathetic,

  48. It isn’t the flag of the EU. It is the flag of Europe (a flag that the EU as such chooses to use). Almost all European wide organisations, whether linked to the EU or otherwise, use the flag of Europe (adopted by the Council of Europe – a non EU organisation – nearly 30 years before the European Community/European Union adopted it).

  49. Colm has been fully assimilated into the Brussels Federal Project.

    For some, resistance is futile.

  50. No Harri, I am just not as obsessed as you are with the “seven Presidents and their seven palaces”. I see the bigger picture. A careful long term achievement of close European cooperation built over decades. A much greater way of living than how Europeans behaved towards each other in earlier decades.

  51. No Harri, I am just not as obsessed as you are with the “seven Presidents and their seven palaces”.

    Thanks to Seamus Colm, unfortunately it’s far worse than that, there are apparently 22 of the buggers, and Seamus could have “gone on” so who knows just how bad it really is.

    😏

  52. Well Harri, there are 28 countries in the EU so if all of them have equivalent ‘Presidents’ that’s 196 of the buggers. Surely you would be much happier if they all got rid of the ‘parasites’ and we ended up with just the 7 singular EU overlords for all of us !

    That would be much more efficient and taxpayer friendly , NO ?

  53. Colm

    I would keep each separate countries presidents, and get shot of the seven at Brussels.

    It would make more sense financially, and save a fortune.

  54. Well there aren’t seven in Brussels. The President of the European Parliament is based in Strasbourg, the Presidency of the Council of the European Union is (at the moment) in Vienna, the President of the European Court of Justice is based in Luxembourg City, the President of the European Central Bank is based in Frankfurt, and the President of the European Court of Auditors is based in Luxembourg City.

    So of the ‘seven at Brussels’ only two are actually based in Brussels.

  55. The European disunion

  56. You keep saying you want to keep the Common Market but at the same time get rid of the institutions that make the Common Market work.

    Which would suggest you either don’t know what you are talking about or don’t know what you want.

  57. Seamus

    I pretty certain we don’t “need” tens of thousands of bureaucrats, Chiefs of Staff, and more Presidents one could shake a stick at.

    Release those expenses..

    Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

  58. Seamus

    Harri doesn’t know what he want to talk about, but he keeps talking anyway 🙂

  59. So it would seem Colm.

    Harri,

    “I pretty certain we don’t “need” tens of thousands of bureaucrats”

    You are pretty certain. You are also pretty wrong.

    In order to have a Common Market there needs to be a common rule book. People need to design and develop that rule book. So that majority of the civil servants you speak of are necessary.

  60. Seamus

    Here in the UK, we already have our own army of civil servants.

  61. You keep saying you want to keep the Common Market. In order for the Common Market to function there needs to be a common rule book. Who do you propose comes up with that?

  62. No EU emblems here…

    True patriots

    BREXIT BETRAYAL MARCH: Thousands march through London demanding HARD Brexit
    THOUSANDS of anti-EU protestors are taking part in a Brexit Betrayal march led by controversial activist Tommy Robinson.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1056410/brexit-news-brexit-betrayal-march-london-tommy-robinson

  63. Seamus.

    No, we don’t need tens of thousands of Brussels bureaucrats.

    They have become burdensome.

  64. There are 32,196 civil servants working for the Commission. Which would you get rid of?

  65. At least 32,000 of them.

  66. So you don’t want to keep the Common Market then?

  67. We have our own army of civil servants.

    We don’t need anymore.

  68. Who do you propose maintains the Common Market?

    You keep saying you support the Common Market. That would seem to not be true.

  69. So you don’t want to keep the Common Market then?

    If we need 22 presidents, 22 vice presidents, 36,000 bureaucrats, a Chief of Staff, living life’s of avarice, along with an EU army..

    To run a Common Market.

    Then no, its just not worth it.

  70. So you don’t support the Common Market then?

  71. So you don’t want to keep the Common Market then?

    So you don’t support the Common Market then?

    If we need 22 presidents, 22 vice presidents, 36,000 bureaucrats, a Chief of Staff, living life’s of avarice, along with an EU army..

    To run a Common Market.

    Then no, its just not worth it.

  72. Well you are wrong. Don’t know were you got the 22 Presidents from. There is also no ‘avarice’ for the civil servants. And definitely not EU Army.

    So again. If you want to keep the Common Market which of the 32,196 civil servants working for the Commission would you get rid of? Which of them are not necessary for the maintenance of the Common Market (that you allegedly supported – until you found out what it actually was)?

  73. Okay – 22 vice presidents then..

    Seamus, on December 8th, 2018 at 9:19 AM Said:
    “There is also no Irish tax harmonisation..”

    Yes. There is no tax harmonisation yet. And for it to happen at all would require the agreement of all member states including Ireland.

    “There are seven presidents and seven vice presidents.”

    There are seven Presidents and twenty-two Vice Presidents.

    “But its not for me thanks.”

    Almost every state on the planet has equivalent roles of those seven.

    President of the European Parliament – Speaker of the House of Commons
    President of the European Council – The Queen
    Presidency of the Council of the European Union – The Lord Speaker
    President of the European Commission – The Prime Minister
    President of the Court of Justice – The President of the Supreme Court
    President of the European Central Bank – The Governor of the Bank of England
    President of the European Court of Auditors – Comptroller and Auditor General of the National Audit Office

    President of the European Parliament – Speaker of the House of Representatives
    President of the European Council – The President of the United States
    Presidency of the Council of the European Union – The Vice President or President Pro Tempore of the United States Senate
    President of the European Commission – The President of the United States
    President of the Court of Justice – Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
    President of the European Central Bank – Chair of the Federal Reserve
    President of the European Court of Auditors – Comptroller General of the United States

    President of the European Parliament – Bundestagspräsident
    President of the European Council – Bundespräsident
    Presidency of the Council of the European Union – Bundesratspräsident
    President of the European Commission – Bundeskanzler
    President of the Court of Justice – Präsident des Bundesverfassungsgerichts
    President of the European Central Bank – Präsidenten der Deutschen Bundesbank
    President of the European Court of Auditors – Präsident des Bundesrechnungshofes

    Want me to keep going?

    Here we go..”So”…again..😏

    So again. If you want to keep the Common Market which of the 32,196 civil servants working for the Commission would you get rid of?

    Harri, on December 9th, 2018 at 1:19 PM Said:
    At least 32,000 of them.

    Seamus.

    No, you don’t need to “go on”

    You have done a sterling job of changing my mind about a Common Market.

  74. 10,000 European Union officials better paid than David Cameron
    More than one in five European Union officials earn above £142,000, the salary paid to the British Prime Minister

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10847979/10000-European-Union-officials-better-paid-than-David-Cameron.html

    Plus all the unreceipted expenses they can cram in.

  75. And definitely not EU Army.

    Should I heed the opinion of some bloke on a blog?

    Or the statement by the High priestess commissioner at Brussels?.

    “We did it, EU army is no dream – it’s reality coming true”
    Federica Mogherini says that the idea of a common security structure and cooperation in the EU is no longer a plan or a dream, but a reality.

    https://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2017&mm=11&dd=23&nav_id=102874

  76. I’ve read through this thread quite interesting I stopped right at the part where my fellow catholics started defending blowing up and killing woman and children…….

    The EU is a hybrid it’s the 4th Reich setup with a Soviet Politburo governing structure…..

    The french people should not be rioting. Rioters should be dispersed with Water Canons, Dogs and Tear Gas.

    Tomorrow is Monday if the French People don’t like what their State government is doing they should declare a work stoppage and no one goes to work on Monday or whatever day the work week begins in France and peacefully shut the country down.

    You are all members of the EU if it took a flag on a tank for you to realize that….. it’s laughable.

  77. The population of the EU is some 512 million and is the biggest market in the northern hemisphere. The EU Commission has some 32,196 civil servants working for it.

    The population of the UK is around 7.7 million and as per April 2017 there were 332,800 civil servants working in the UK civil service.

    What was that about tens of thousands of bureaucrats again?

    Seamus, I really don’t know why you bother. Facys, statistice and honesty mean absolutely nothing to these guys. As commented recenty when it was incorrectly claimed that ‘Ze Commission’ said that ‘criticism of migration will become a criminal offence’:

    Facts are irrelevant in EU matters. Perception and opinion are King

    Release those expenses..

    Harri argues against himself again.

    I stopped right at the part where my fellow catholics started defending blowing up and killing woman and children…….

    What part was that Pat?

  78. * Facts, statistics and honesty

  79. at 10:51

  80. Noel’s 10.51?

    When were your ‘fellow catholics started defending blowing up and killing woman and children…….?’

  81. please Paul…….. really?

  82. Yes, really.

    //When were your ‘fellow catholics started defending blowing up and killing woman and children…….?’//

  83. Patrick

    Where was somebody defending blowing up women and children?

  84. Patrick

    You are all members of the EU if it took a flag on a tank for you to realize that….. it’s laughable.

    I actually agree with you here. I don’t actually see a problem with the EU flag on the vehicle.

  85. There shouldn’t be a problem with an EU flag…. it is your National Flag your old Flags are your State Flags, nothing more.

  86. Glad that ‘blowing up and killing woman and children’ inaccurate straw man has been disposed of.

  87. Noel and Seimi brought the English/Irish conflict into this thread and worded their statements like the catholic side was innocent.

  88. Just when you think Harri is the most ill informed person on the thread Patrick shows up…

  89. Troll
    No we didn’t. I can’t speak for Noel, but my post was in response to Pete’s absurd ‘naked Irish bigotry’ post.
    Seriously, read both posts and Pete’s response again.

  90. Patrick Van Roy,

    Noel and Seimi brought the English/Irish conflict into this thread and worded their statements like the catholic side was innocent.

    But they never defended the blowing up of women and children, like you claim they did Patrick.

  91. I believe that both Noel and Seimi’s comments were follow on responses to Pete bringing the Irish conflict into it at 10.20 above and if you think Noel’s comment is ‘defending blowing up and killing woman and children’ then I’m afraid your reading of English is utterly, completely and totally different to all objective Ehglish readers.

  92. Those ‘true patriot’ stout hearted Englishmen ‘taking back control’ from EU fascism that Harri speaks of above:

    https://twitter.com/Henry_Langston/status/1071757803713376257

  93. both their comments were in response to others, both their comments were one sided. My comment was in response to theirs.

    You all know my feelings on the English/Irish conflict. Both sides were wrong and the Irish acted shamefully causing a stain on all Irish Catholics, of which I am one.

    My views will never change on this I believe the Irish Catholics had a legitimate beef, but they handled it like animals and I do not and will never give them a pass on their behavior.

    Noel brought it into this thread and Seimi cheered him. I denounced….. get over it.

  94. Paul McMahon, on December 9th, 2018 at 3:55 PM Said:
    Those ‘true patriot’ stout hearted Englishmen ‘taking back control’ from EU fascism that Harri speaks of above:

    https://twitter.com/Henry_Langston/status/1071757803713376257

    Paul

    You have let yourself down spectacularly here. Did you even watch the video, or read any of the comments.

    I have watched it, there is no seig hiel salutes, some bloke is waving and gave a thumbs up

    Get a grip.

  95. Paul

    Fake news..

    Must try harder…

    Replying to
    @Henry_Langston
    Very disingenuous of you, not to mention you are inciting possible repercussions against someone innocently waving and giving a thumbs up. For someone who obviously believes they are morally superior you have today made it clear that you have no morals at all.

  96. Ah The old “both sides were wrong” canard

  97. Paul McMahon,

    Those ‘true patriot’ stout hearted Englishmen ‘taking back control’ from EU fascism that Harri speaks of above:

    I’ve got a disagree with you here Paul, that guy looks like he’s waving then giving the thumbs up.

  98. As one comment on Paul’s link states.

    “You can’t even wave at someone now without being labelled as a Nazi”

    Very sad times indeed.

  99. Patrick

    Noel brought it into this thread and Seimi cheered him. I denounced….. get over it.

    Try to change the subject all you want Patrick but he is what you actually said:

    I stopped right at the part where my fellow catholics started defending blowing up and killing woman and children…….

    This is a lie. No one defended blowing up women and children.

  100. Both their comments were in response to others, both their comments were one sided.

    Both their comments were in response to Pete’s who ‘brought the English/Irish conflict into this thread’ and neither ‘defended the blowing up of women and children’. Your feelings on the subject are irrelevant, you’re comment was completely incorrect.

    I’ve got a disagree with you here Paul, that guy looks like he’s waving then giving the thumbs up.

    I’ve watched it a few times closely Dave and I’d tend to agree. It seems that this time I’ve jumped the gun too soon and will take it one the chin.

    Paul

    Fake news..

    Must try harder…

    Rather like ‘Ze Commission’ H?

  101. Troll
    I didn’t cheer anyone on. Please stop making things up. You should be chastising Pete for his ‘naked Irish bigotry’ nonsense, not Noel or I. You won’t, of course. But you should.

  102. Henry Langston (Anti facist defence classes) on his blog..

    That’s all one needs to know..

    http://henrylangston.com

  103. “That’s all one needs to know…”
    If that’s all one wants to know…
    That’s the spirit, Harri. Keep those blinkers on. Wouldn’t want you having any independent thoughts of your own…

  104. Phantom, on December 9th, 2018 at 4:17 PM Said:
    Ah The old “both sides were wrong” canard

    Both sides were wrong, you can call it it a cannard I call it fact.

    and Dave Noels comment was intended to shed a veil of honor on the poor Irish.

  105. This mess in France is an internal problem. To use violence in settling internal disputes is wrong and makes all parties no better than Arabs.

  106. That’s all one needs to know..

    Harri, he’s a video producer. There are also links to films on the Football Lads Alliance and chrystal meth cartels in the Phillipines. What does that tell you about him?

  107. I thought independently enough to watch the fake news video, and to read the comments. In the link Paul posted.

  108. What does that tell you about him?

    He suckered you in well enough..

  109. Troll
    Noel comment was about British soldiers in Ireland and their shooting of civilians. How does that ‘shed a veil of honor on the poor Irish? ”
    British soldiers DID shoot civilians. Cold blooded murder by’ agents of the state.’
    Just because he didn’t then also mention the IRA’ s crimes does not negate that fact.

  110. Noels comment was intended to shed a veil of honor on the poor Irish.

    I disagree. Noel’s comment was a statement of fact but even if what you allege above were true it still wasn’t ‘defending blowing up and killing woman and children…….’

  111. He suckered you in well enough..

    One video out of twenty six posted tells you ‘all one needs to know’

    Compelling stuff indeed.

  112. Take it on the chin…

  113. Paul

    I’ve watched it a few times closely Dave and I’d tend to agree. It seems that this time I’ve jumped the gun too soon and will take it one the chin.

    You’re a good man Paul, and you’re also very honest one who’ll admit when he’s wrong. I respect that mate.

  114. Cheers Dave.

    ake what on the chin Harri?

  115. *Take

  116. Patrick

    Dave Noels comment was intended to shed a veil of honor on the poor Irish.

    More lies from you Patrick. I said nothing of the sort.
    All I’ve asked you repeatedly to show, is where your fellow Catholics defended blowing up and killing women and children as you’ve claimed in your comment below:

    I stopped right at the part where my fellow catholics started defending blowing up and killing woman and children…….

    you really have a terrible habit of falsely accusing people of saying something they never said Patrick. such as accusing people of threatening to punch each other, or accusing people of claiming this site was awfull, when they never did.
    It makes you look entirely dishonest.
    Especially when they ask you to back up those claims and you never can.

  117. Both sides were wrong

    Interesting. I’ve seen you foam at the mouth against the Irish hundreds of times here, this is the first time I’ve heard you even hint that the British might have done anything that was in any way wrong

    Based upon your vast knowledge of the Irish conflict, Can you please tell us what the British did that was wrong?

    Also, what is/was your opinion of the RUC? Were they an honest police force?

  118. More lies from you Patrick. I said nothing of the sort.

    Dave, have you read that correctly?

    Maybe it reads..

    And Dave, Noels comment was intended to shed a veil of honor on the poor Irish.

  119. Interesting. I’ve seen you foam at the mouth against the Irish hundreds of times here, this is the first time I’ve heard you even hint that the British might have done anything that was in any way wrong

    you need to go over my past comments more thoroughly.

  120. Look if you all want to change this into an IRA vs British thread I’ll gladly oblige.

  121. I don’t think Anyone else here has seen you give any real criticism of the British either

    Not of Mrs Thatcher Or any other major actor in the British government, not of the RUC ( sectarian police ), not of the British Army.

    Not once, ever.

  122. I’m just busting you when you speak with forked tongue.

    You’ve always been pro British, have always despised “the Irish”, you’d have been a good candidate for the Orange Order

  123. If you all want to change this into an IRA vs British thread

    I’m afraid you did that with your ‘my fellow catholics started defending blowing up and killing woman and children…….’ innaccuracy.

  124. He forgets what he said a few hours ago!

  125. Trill
    Why not just admit that nobody here defended blowing up and killing women and children and that you misunderstood what was written? That way, everyone can go back to the actual topic of the post.
    Like. Paul said, the only one turning this into an IRA vs British thréad is you.

  126. *Troll

  127. Harri,

    Dave, have you read that correctly?

    Maybe it reads..

    And Dave, Noels comment was intended to shed a veil of honor on the poor Irish.

    You might be right Harri. I read it as:

    Dave and Noels comment was intended

    So apologies to Patrick if that’s not how he intended it.

    However my original point still stands. Patrick has, as usual make an accusation which is completely untrue and which he can’t backup.

  128. Phantom, on December 9th, 2018 at 5:21 PM Said:
    I’m just busting you when you speak with forked tongue.

    You’ve always been pro British, have always despised “the Irish”, you’d have been a good candidate for the Orange Order

    That’s pure nonsense. I am of half Irish decent and I am Catholic. I don’t despise the Irish, I despise the IRA and the actions they took in the name of Irish Catholics.

    They are animals that should all have been tracked, caged, or killed. They are terrorists and criminals. Their behavior is a disgrace on all people of both Irish decent and all Catholics.

  129. no Dave I was not talking about anything you said.

  130. Pat, I believe that you are the only one to have introduced the IRA into the conversation?

  131. There’s just no end to the stupidity and the farcical lies Patrick van Roy comes out with on this site.

  132. You never once AFAIK offered the slightest criticism of the British Army, the British government, the local government, or the dirty local cops.

    You never once expressed any sympathy for any Irish cause because you were never on their side. You were on the other side..

    I’ve never once heard anyone endorse the killing of any civilians. Not outside these pages anyway.

  133. Noel, on December 8th, 2018 at 10:51 PM Said:
    //If only it had slapped an EU flag on everything it sent into West Belfast and Londonderry then everything would have been fine. //

    Well, yes, if that army had been from an impartial European force everything would indeed have been fine.

    But unfortunately they were British. You see, Britain could not be impartial in Ireland. So pretty soon that army started shoring up a bigoted Unionist regime under the same Orange party that had been exclusively in power ever since Northern Ireland was established and that despised and massively discriminated against its Catholic minority.

    That was the British army’s role, and once the Catholics took to protesting, like the Yellow protests in Paris today, why, the British army simply started shooting them dead on the streets.

    So, I agree. Sending a British army to Ireland is definitely where London went wrong.

    That comment is worded that the British Army just marched in and simply started shooting people engaged in peaceful protest…..

    Civilians, Woman and Children were killed by the IRA. That is not protesting that is terrorism.

  134. Civilians, Woman and Children were killed by the IRA

    Too bad…. wrong place wrong time….. shit happens.

  135. That comment is worded that the British Army just marched in and simply started shooting people engaged in peaceful protest…..

    They did:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/10322295

  136. Phantom, on December 9th, 2018 at 5:59 PM Said:
    You never once AFAIK offered the slightest criticism of the British Army, the British government, the local government, or the dirty local cops.

    You never once expressed any sympathy for any Irish cause because you were never on their side. You were on the other side..

    I’ve never once heard anyone endorse the killing of any civilians. Not outside these pages anyway.

    You need to go back over the years because your recollection is wrong.

  137. Bloody Sunday was NOT the beginning.

  138. It most certainly was not

    But it was a great crime, an act of great evil and stupidity

  139. When was the beginning Pat?

    I’ve never once heard anyone endorse the killing of any civilians. Not outside these pages anyway.

    […] You need to go back over the years because your recollection is wrong.

    I don’t think it’s wrong at all. In fact, only person I can recall endorsing the killing of civilians is yourself Pat.

  140. How many women and children did the IRA kill before Bloody Sunday Patrick?

  141. No one would claim that it was the beginning

    A beginning of this cycle would have been when peaceful protesters had their heads split by loyalist criminals, aided by local police

    But yes, let’s only talk about the IRA

  142. The beginning was Partition, but an argument can be made that it was way before that, but lets just stick to the last 100yrs.

  143. Why were some 52% of those killed by the ‘security services’ civilians while Republican’s civilian death toll was 35%?

    Carelessness?

  144. Patrick, you even tell lies about telling lies. But at least people can see on this thread how you can’t resist lying because the evidence is there right in front of them.
    It’s more difficult when you lie about things that were said on other threads, but these are lies just the same.

    Let everyone please note what kind of cretin we’re dealing with here.

    //That comment is worded that the British Army just marched in and simply started shooting people engaged in peaceful protest//

    First: That’s another lie. I never said “peaceful protest”. I drew a parallel to the Yellow protests in Paris, and they are not peaceful.

    Second: The British also did indeed shoot people who were protesting peacefully; in fact shot and killed people who weren’t protesting at all.
    The British Police in NI also killed civilians before the IRA did; and the British Army likewise started killing civilians before the IRA turned it guns on them.

    Third: Even if your nonsense were true, it still does not make my original comment a defence of people “blowing up and killing woman and children”.

  145. Pat has single handedly turned this into ‘an IRA vs British thread’

    Well done.

  146. On this site Patrick is the only one who regularly calls for the murder of innocent civilians in bombing campaigns.

  147. Before Bloody Sunday, where the British Army executed 14 civil rights protesters, there were 121 civilians killed in the Troubles. Of those 121, 36 were killed by the IRA. Loyalists killed 21. Other Republicans killed 6. 8 were killed by an unknown group. And 50 were killed by the British Security Services.

  148. Noel screw you…..

    Whenever the troubles are brought up since this site is heavily weighted towards the IRA within those that comment here I will ALWAYS make the point of condemning them.

    The IRA are terrorists. Many here are sympathizers to their cause, some with good reason. I however am not.

    I believe that the Irish were the wronged party in it’s long conflict with England, however their behavior was disgusting and criminally terrorist. I can not support them or their actions. They disgraced the Irish People and the Catholic Religion.

  149. //The British Police in NI also killed civilians before the IRA did; and the British Army likewise started killing civilians before the IRA turned it guns on them//

    Meant to say: The British Police in NI also killed civilians before the IRA killed police; and the British Army likewise started killing civilians before the IRA turned it guns on them

  150. Seamus I never call for the bombing or murder of innocents…. Everytime I have said “Bomb Them” there was always a preceding action. And I have NEVER called for the Murder of anyone.

  151. Noel how many bombings and Murders did Ghandi order in retaliation?

  152. //Noel screw you//

    Ah, poor Patrick can’t stop telling lies and, look, now he’s getting REALLY ANGRY because he was found out yet again.

    As for your stated Irish background, Patrick (but of course nobody here can believe a word you write), all I can say is that American’s loss was Ireland’s gain the day your family sailed west.

    At any rate, make sure you stay away from Ireland. In the town I come from at any rate, if they get their hands on a snivelling, lying coward like you, you’d be kicked from one end of the place to the other.

  153. If the Irish cause was just why did they hide who they were?

    The Brits laid claim to the America we fought for our independence, but we did it openly.

    No Masks, No Anonymity. We engaged them as men declared our intentions and signed our names to it.

  154. What did the Loyalist RUC or British Army or local or national govt do that you would in any way criticize?

    Besides you’ve never advocated Gandhian methods before. Why now? You’ve even advocated that Americans keep guns so as to shoot people if the government does things they don’t like

  155. Pat, you once told me that my opinions on the US are irrelevant because I’m not an American. Let me extend that principle to you.

    The IRA are terrorists. Many here are sympathizers to their cause, some with good reason. I however am not.

    It’s irrelevant to what you think as you’re not Irish.

    This site is heavily weighted towards the IRA within those that comment here

    Like all your comments so far on this thread that’s incorrect.

    They disgraced the Irish People and the Catholic Religion.

    You’ve a tenuous ancestral link to Ireland in the distant past. Please don’t presume to speak for the Irish.

  156. I am neither angry nor lying.

  157. American rebela did hide their identities at times. They dressed up as Indians

    You need to read up at American history a little bit

  158. If they aren’t hiding why did the soldiers who murdered civilians in Ballymurphy get anonymity? Soldier C is what he appeared as.

  159. You don’t live in Ireland Paul and neither does Noel.

    I have relatives that live there just as you two do.

  160. Troll believes Bloody Sunday was an illegal march by IRA supporters, so I wouldn’t take much heed in what he says about the Troubles.

  161. It would be stupid Not to conceal your identity when engaged in deadly combat with a force 1 million times stronger than yours is

    That Criticism makes no sense

  162. If the Irish cause was just why did they hide who they were?

    Because they were an illegal insurgent force whose manpower and resources were absolutely no match for those of one of the gratest military powers on the earth.

  163. You don’t live in Ireland Paul and neither does Noel

    But the thing is that both Noel and I are Irish, were born there, have generations of family there and, in my case anyway, spent the majority of our lives there.

    That’s the difference.

  164. https://www.bostonteapartyship.com/boston-tea-party-disguise

    Patrick never heard of the Boston tea party, when American rebels were in disguise

  165. Phantom did the colonies declare war on the Brits?

    Did they do so in Public?

    Did they hide who they were or pledge “And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”

  166. They at times hid their identities

    There was nothing dishonorable about it

  167. “Seamus I never call for the bombing or murder of innocents….

    You regularly do. You just try to pretend they aren’t innocent.

    Pretty sure you also wished for the children of Sinn Fein supporters to be killed.

  168. The French resistance and the Vietnamese resistance vs France and US were incognito all the time

    That was not dishonorable

  169. Paul I have family that still live in Ireland just as I have family that still live in Italy generations of them.

    My branch of both sides of my family came to America in the 1800s I was blessed to be part of those branches, but still have generations of family in both countries.

    Both sides of my family Irish and Italian upon coming to America have had members in the Police forces of several states in the US and do so to this day.

    Now if that means to you I have no call to speak on this matter…. too bad.

    You don’t change internal disputes with terrorism. And you don’t declare Independence in Anonymity.

  170. Phantom F**k the French and the Vietcong.

  171. from your link Phantom…..

    The disguise was mostly symbolic in nature; they knew they would be recognized as non-Indians. The act of wearing “Indian dress” was to express to the world that the American colonists identified themselves as “Americans” and no longer considered themselves British subjects.

  172. In their initial engagements with regular British troops at least, the American colonists wore civilian clothes and hid behind trees and walls when firing on British soldiers in uniform.

    That’s what guerrilla forces do.

  173. The French people just as the Irish people did are handling there internal problems in a wrong and disgraceful manner.

  174. Pat, I said you have a tenuous ancestral link in the distant past to Ireland and not to presume that that gives you the authority to speak on behalf of the Irish people.

    Liste Pat, with sincere respect. It’s a measure of how far we’ve both come when we can repectfully speak about the Irish conflict without metaphorically trying to rip each other’s throats out. I’m also pleasantly surprised that you recognise and admit that the Irish have been historically wronged. However, you jumped in with an unthinking, inaccurate comment regarding Noel supposedly defending killing women and children and have been consistently incorrect since then.

    With all due respect Pat, take your incorrections on the chin and stop digging a hole for yourself.

  175. Noel, on December 9th, 2018 at 7:21 PM Said:
    In their initial engagements with regular British troops at least, the American colonists wore civilian clothes and hid behind trees and walls when firing on British soldiers in uniform.

    That’s what guerrilla forces do.

    NO

    That’s called modern warfare…… The colonists at that time had no uniforms, and “hiding” behind trees and walls is called being under cover….. Marching towards each other openly in the street face to face is the stupidity of both the British and French did for a century, even taking Winter off….. Our war was not going to last a century.

  176. The early IRA and the Vietnamese carefully studied the tactics that the Americans used against the Redcoats.

  177. Paul McMahon, on December 9th, 2018 at 7:28 PM Said:
    Pat, I said you have a tenuous ancestral link in the distant past to Ireland and not to presume that that gives you the authority to speak on behalf of the Irish people.

    Liste Pat, with sincere respect. It’s a measure of how far we’ve both come when we can repectfully speak about the Irish conflict without metaphorically trying to rip each other’s throats out. I’m also pleasantly surprised that you recognise and admit that the Irish have been historically wronged. However, you jumped in with an unthinking, inaccurate comment regarding Noel supposedly defending killing women and children and have been consistently incorrect since then.

    With all due respect Pat, take your incorrections on the chin and stop digging a hole for yourself.

    Paul I agree on how far we have come, and I have always believed the Irish were the wronged party.

    I didn’t like Noels tone, or that Seimi boosted it…. and I purposefully worded my rebuttal to evoke ire.

  178. some of us are sicker than others….. 😉

    on that I will cease.

  179. Indeed they did Phantom and in turn those attempting to establish the state of Israel both admired and did the same with the IRA.

  180. Anyway, to try to drag this back onto the supposed ‘EU Army’ :

    There was no “European Military” in either World War One or Two. And the U.S. did not win either war alone. We were victorious because we worked in unison with our allies and respected them. Facts matter

    He really, really is a dolt:

    https://twitter.com/RNicholasBurns/status/1071401114023747584

  181. “… and Séimí boosted it…. and I purposely worded my rebuttal to evoke ire.”

    Bullshit, Troll. You got it wrong – again. You lost your temper – again. You refused to back down – again. And now you’re lying to try to cover your ass – again.
    Do you even blush when you peddle this shit?

  182. I didn’t lose my temper and I didn’t get it wrong…..

    and I don’t back down.

  183. And I bet you don’t blush either.

  184. And I don’t back down

    When you’ve got it wrong, as you did in this instance, you should.

  185. I didn’t get it wrong though….. Noel made his implications and insinuations…..

    and no Seimi, I don’t blush 😉

  186. Noel spoke in response to a comment and you accused him of defending the murder of women and children when he did absolutely no such thing-

    You got it spectacularly wrong Pat.

  187. Everyone can see Troll got it wrong, but as he said himself, he doesn’t back down and he thinks he’s never wrong. You can’t have an honest debate with someone like that.

  188. bullshit……..

    I’ve had honest debates with everyone of you.

    Look In my opinion Noel’s comment portrayed the situation in Ireland as it being all the Brits fault, and I couldn’t let that stand.

    Now you can beat on me for that, you can castigate me for being obstinate, you can tell me I’m wrong.

    What you can’t do is say I lost my temper….. I have been very civil.

    You can’t say I’m dishonest because I’ve been clear about my opinion of what he was saying.

    Now I have made peace with each of you and I accept that your views on the Irish/English problems are different than mine.

    Some of you can’t accept that.

    That my friends and to me you are people that even though I disagree with each and everyone here including our host on some topic or another I do consider you friends….. not being able to accept my view is your problem.

    Time for some of you to give yourselves a reality check.

  189. Troll
    You said that Noel defended the murder of women and children, and that I backed him up. That was and is 100% untrue. Why don’t you apologise and retract that statement?

  190. Paul 738

    Yep

  191. Oh well, this thread took an unexpected turn didn’t it ?

    So in the spirit of mentioning both issues that have dominated this thread I just want to say that if the troops and tanks sent by London across to Belfast and Derry in the seventies had been covered in EU flag stickers , there would have been no bigger supporter of the IRA resistance to evil EU suppression of dissent than our very own true blue ‘Patriot’ Pete Moore. 😉

  192. Patrick Van Roy,

    I am neither angry nor lying.

    If you’re not lying, why don’t you back up your claim:

    I stopped right at the part where my fellow catholics started defending blowing up and killing woman and children…….

    Show me where the Catholics started defending blowing up and killing women and children, before you made this comment.

    An honest, trustworthy man who makes a mistake can wither apologise, or cease being an honest, trustworthy man.

  193. Colm,

    Oh well, this thread took an unexpected turn didn’t it ?

    I don’t know mate. Patrick accusing people of saying things they never said is a fairly regular occurrence these days.

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