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REMAINERS ARE NOW A SUICIDE SQUAD

By Pete Moore On January 8th, 2019

MPs have just voted, by 303 to 296, to approve an amendment to the Finance Bill (which makes the Budget changes law), which limits the governent’s fiscal powers to manage a so-called “no deal” Brexit.

It does nothing to prevent a no-deal Brexit. It’s simply designed to tie the government’s hands in dealing with it. These MPs are telling us that it will be a disaster, so they’ll stop the Treasury from taking mitigating measures.

There is no principle in play. It’s simply Remain guerilla warfare in the interests of personal dogma (stopping Brexit) against the national interest.

They are not just anti-democrats. They are unhinged fanatics.

13 Responses to “REMAINERS ARE NOW A SUICIDE SQUAD”

  1. These MPs are telling us that it will be a disaster,

    Just like all the Europhile liberals here on ATW.

    Nothing of project fear has become remotely true.

    They were lying.

    It was all bullshit.

  2. There is a principle at play. That principle is that Parliament gets to decide what happens with Brexit.

    May was positioning it as her deal vs no deal. The vote tonight effectively takes no deal off the table. No government would allow a no deal scenario now.

    So it is May’s deal or something else now.

    The next stage will be May’s deal being defeated next week. After that, if May clings on to power, there will be a decision to extend or withdraw Article 50 – and likely a second referendum.

  3. Seamus –

    Parliament has decided numerous times what should happen.

    It voted to give the people a straight in/out referendum. 85 per cent of MPs were elected to this Parliament on explicit promises to get us out of the EU. Parliament voted to trigger Article 50, putting into law that we will leave the EU on 29th March.

    You’ve been told this many times. I know that even anti-democratic globalists like you actually do understand it.

    So don’t pretend now that sabotaging the will of the people is somehow legitimate, or some act of democracy. It’s the very opposite. The people decided that we must leave. Attempts to block our will now are gross treachery.

  4. “Parliament has decided numerous times what should happen.”

    It actually hasn’t.

    “It voted to give the people a straight in/out referendum.”

    Which is still the case. However the Single Market was not on the ballot paper. The Customs Union was not on the ballot paper. A border on the island of Ireland was not on the ballot paper. None of those things were voted on in the straight in/out referendum.

    The referendum instructed Parliament to leave the EU. It in no way shape or form mandated the nature of that.

    “Parliament voted to trigger Article 50, putting into law that we will leave the EU on 29th March.”

    And Parliament is demanding that the government not allow a crash out in that date.

    “You’ve been told this many times.”

    I don’t need to be told these things. I’m fully aware of your view on the subject, incorrect as it normally is.

    “So don’t pretend now that sabotaging the will of the people is somehow legitimate, or some act of democracy.”

    Parliament is sovereign, and has greater democratic mandate than the referendum.

    “The people decided that we must leave.”

    And the people will, most likely, get to decide the terms. May’s deal, no deal or remain.

  5. Seamus –

    It demonstrably has.

    In-or-out was on the ballot paper. We voted out. That was the mandate and the instruction. Not one person voted for a deal.

    Parliament is absolutely not sovereign. It never has been.

    The people have already decided to leave.

    Don’t be an anti-democrat. You’re on the wrong side of history.

  6. “In-or-out was on the ballot paper. We voted out.”

    Turkey is out of the EU. It is in the customs union. Norway is out of the EU. It is in the Single Market. So the decision to vote Out was not a decision to leave the Customs Union or the Single Market. It was a decision to leave the EU.

    The nature of how the UK leaves the EU was not on the ballot paper. That nature will be determined by Parliament, and only by Parliament – unless the decide to offer the people another referendum to decide the nature of it.

  7. In-or-out was on the ballot paper. We voted out. That was the mandate and the instruction. Not one person voted for a deal.

    One lie involves the PM in particular. He has stopped talking about “the EU”. He always talks now of “leaving the Single Market”. It’s not only a lie, but a psychological trick, however you can understand why the Remain camp don’t want voters hearing “ee-you” all the time. But it’s a lie because the EU and the Single Market are two separate and distinct entities […]

    The Single Market is the EEA, the European Economic Area. No-one is proposing to leave it, no-one is campaigning to leave it, and the UK will not leave it. The referendum is about whether or not the UK will remain in the EU. The question has nothing to do with the Single Market

    Who said that?

  8. Seamus –

    Turkey is out of the EU. It is in the customs union.

    Not it’s not. The EU and Turkey are in “a” customs union, but Turkey is not in the EU customs union.

    Enough of your anti-democratic nonsense and anti-British bigotry.

  9. Those who voted for this amendment are true patriots. MPs who genuinely believe the U.K. is better off in the EU should do everything in their power to prevent Brexit. They are not their to be rubber stamps. They are there to govern according to their conscience and what they believe to be the best interests of the nation. The same actually also applies to genuine Brexit supporting MPs.

  10. They are not their to be rubber stamps.

    After the People’s Vote 2016, that’s exactly what they are. They didn’t receive a request, it was an order.

  11. Ve were only obeying ze orders ya 😉

  12. Colm – even by your dire standards, your last two posts were pathetic. Do you understand what you write and what it means to somebody attempting to make sense of it? You are saying that the vote to Leave should be ignored by the body which is supposedly elected by the people to represent the people – in a ‘democracy’, and you’re also stating that there’s something totalitarian about Parliament’s obligation to respect the will of the people as made clear in 2016.

  13. Pete,

    The quote I use at 10.29 above are comments from yourself from the 20th of June 2016. They mean one of three things:

    – You were lying

    – You didn’t understand the full import of the referendum question

    – Someone lied to you about the connotations of Brexit and you believed them

    Now, each of these possibilities is a catch 22 for Brexiteers for if any of the deceit and / or chicanery within is then projected onto the Brexit electorate it means that any one of these options is in itself a good enough argument for another crack of the referendum whip.

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