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ATW QOTD

By Pete Moore On January 19th, 2019

“Many Remainers aren’t so much pro-EU as they are anti-Eurosceptic. It’s an especially pathological form of virtue-signalling.”

– the essential James Delingpole

He’s right, almost. I’d say that no-one is pro-EU. I’ve never met anyone who is pro-EU. Some suffer it, but many Remainers are triangulating their position. It’s a calculated, cultural statement. Being pro-EU is all about not being for the same things as people who I think I dislike will be for.

Remainers, if they stumble into a moment of honesty, will admit that not a single positive argument was made for the EU during the People’s Vote. Not a single one. The best that they could say was that leaving it is a risk, but they had not a positive statement about the EU itself. That’s because there is nothing positive to say for it.

94 Responses to “ATW QOTD”

  1. Here is an important reason why many voted for Brexit. Crony capitalism in action:

    A large provider of agency care workers has been fining low paid staff £50 for ringing in sick. In 2017 it made a profit of £21m and awarded directors a dividend of £17m.
    Its parent company is based in a tax haven, as are the two controlling parties

    https://twitter.com/withorpe/status/1086702445705814016?s=20

  2. That quote above is a negative MOPE ‘virtue signal’ in itself, as is this whole barroom psychology post.

    Here is an important reason why many voted for Brexit. Crony capitalism in action

    Peter, that’s a British company owned and controlled by a firm based in Gibralter. How wil Brexit reverse this employee abuse?

  3. “That’s because there is nothing positive to say for it.”

    The EU has vastly improved the lot of literally hundreds of millions of people, also generally made life pleasanter and, through free movement, promoted the idea of a common European identity, despite national differences.

    We all know about its many drawbacks, but they are outweighed by the advantages.

  4. Peter, that’s a British company owned and controlled by a firm based in Gibralter. How will Brexit reverse this employee abuse?

    Did I say it would Paul? The point is that too many people are ruthlessly exploited by the system and voting for Brexit was voting against the system. So that’s what they did.

  5. So what you’re suggesting is that things are being attributed to the EU when in fact it has absolutely nothing to do with it and that Brexit was a response to this scapegoating?

    Is that correct?

  6. The EU has vastly improved the lot of literally hundreds of millions of people ..

    An exaggerated estimate of the number of politicians, bureaucrats, lobbyists and crony corporatists. It’s no exaggeration to say that the EU has made many tens of millions, across Southern Europe, permanently unemployed, permanently poor and permanently hopeless.

    But hey, the left long ago nailed its colours to the corporatist mast.

  7. I’ve met many, in Ireland, but also it the UK, and in other places who are pro EU

    There are a number here who are pro EU

  8. No you haven’t, and no there isn’t.

  9. Pete

    You need to get out more

    There are millions of EU supporters. You Probably know a good number of them personally.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/europeans-love-the-eu-and-populists-too/

  10. There are no Brexit supporters who aren’t motivated by anything other than loathing of foreigners and narrow stupid insular bigotry. They are satisfied by the oldest emotion in politics. The pleasure in hating ‘others’.

  11. Colm, isn’t that a harsh assessment of 17 million of your countrymen?

  12. Charles

    I think Colm’s just responding in kind to Pete.

  13. Dave, ah, nuance!

  14. Well, I don’t think it’s correct.

  15. Dave knows what I was doing. Pete of course also knows that it is nonsense to claim that no one genuinely supports the EU. The post is just a wind up.

  16. Charles. Yes it is harsh to call 17 million of my fellow Brits xenophobic bigots. However as to their stupidity, ignorance and gullibility…. 😉

  17. This post is reverse ‘virtue signalling’ Colm.

    Well, I don’t think it’s correct.

    I don’t think that Colm or anyone else thinks it’s correct either Phantom however if you take a run over to Twitter you’ll see that it’s quite a prominant motivating factor with quite a lot of them.

  18. There are no Brexit supporters who aren’t motivated by anything other than loathing of foreigners and narrow stupid insular bigotry.

    And of course there is nothing, absolutely nothing bigoted about that remark.

  19. However as to their stupidity, ignorance and gullibility…. 😉

    And nothing, absolutely nothing bigoted or sneering there either.

  20. “I’d say that no-one is pro-EU”. That is just wrong. If that statement is not a joke, you have a problem of not knowing many people. There are many benefits to one’s country being in the EU, you may not realize it, but many do.

  21. Peter

    You are perfectly correct with your 12:41 and 12:43 conclusions 😉

  22. Peter said;

    Here is an important reason why many voted for Brexit. Crony capitalism in action:

    And here are others:

    https://www.ert.eu/

    https://corporateeurope.org/eu-crisis/2013/06/mad-men-roundtable

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-meets-european-round-table-of-industrialists-1-november-2018

    https://www.lowimpact.org/ceos-europes-biggest-corporations-write-eu-policy/

  23. Mark,

    Leaving aside the propaganda sites, the ERT is clearly a successful lobbying group.

    What’s your beef?

  24. Colm, on January 19th, 2019 at 11:26 PM Said:

    There are no Brexit supporters who aren’t motivated by anything other than loathing of foreigners and narrow stupid insular bigotry. They are satisfied by the oldest emotion in politics. The pleasure in hating ‘others’.

    Colm

    Dedicated to you my friend..

    Paul Simon “Still crazy after all these years”

    https://youtu.be/ABXtWqmArUU

  25. Colm

    Hope you appreciate the choice of song..

    50 ways to leave your lover..

    But no way to leave the EU.

    😏

  26. Harri

    Each man kills the thing he loves.

    A message for Brexiteers and Remainers alike 🙂

  27. What’s your beef?

    There is none bar a contrived, invented beef Reg.

    Much like Peter’s claim above that A British firm whose parent company is based in Gibraltar abusing and exploiting their employees was the reason people voted for Brexit, what Mark has done above is try to tie corporate lobbying, (which happens at all lavels of government), into some form of shadowy government in the EU.

  28. Well, although its very uncharacteristic of me to call out MP’s for the pathological liars they are.

    Liam Fox is incorrect here. Oh yes they can, and oh yes they will.

    But credit where credit is due, those remainer EU fanatics, have absolutely played a blinder, so wild applause from me there.

    Liam Fox warns Remain MPs they cannot ‘steal Brexit from the people’ and hints at a side deal with Ireland to break the impasse amid claims the PM could resign in May to win over Brexiteers

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6611963/The-PM-quit-wins-gets-Eurosceptic-Tories-vote-deal.html

  29. The Irish govt. has said this morning there is absolutely no chance they will have bilateral side deals with the UK separate from the agreed EU position. Liam Fox is whistling in the wind.

  30. Colm

    He’s lying, plain and simple.

    Its what they do, its in their characters, their very souls, pathological lying is a prerequisite for the job.

    Colm.

    Our current supreme dear leader, Chairman May is committing Hari Kari on the alter of the EU project, she is not faltering, she will push Merkel’s deal through if it means the end of her British career, and the very financial benefit of her new career in Brussels.

    I have other more pressing concerns.

    Why are Labour still behind six points?

    How is this even possible?

    I trust Corbo and his bunch of lunatic Trots about as far as I throw Dianne Abbot.

    But I still intend to vote for the Lefty fruitcakes if on!y for the entertainment value.

  31. But I still intend to vote for the Lefty fruitcakes if only for the entertainment value.

    Will you vote for Corbyn if Brexit goes ahead?

  32. It is incredible that Labour are behind in the polls with the utter shambles the May govt. is in. At this stage in the mid nineties when John Major was having trouble with his Maastricht rebels Labour were up to 30 points ahead in the polls. Can’t the wider Labour Party see they are missing a golden opportunity to wipe the floor with the Torres if they dump Corbyn and select a sensible moderate leader.

  33. Will you vote for Corbyn if Brexit goes ahead?

    Yep.

    Again, this is possibly my one and only last chance of voting, knowing exactly what I am voting for, and ultimately going to receive in return.

    Financial and social Armageddon.

    I’m as certain as can be just being a pleb, Corbo and his motley band of assorted lefties, Trots and pretend Marxists, will hopefully not let me down.

    Go Corbo.

  34. It is incredible that Labour are behind in the polls

    Precisely Colm.

    So, again, just how useless are they?

    Its beyond us plebs comprehension.

  35. Can’t the wider Labour Party see they are missing a golden opportunity to wipe the floor with the Torres if they dump Corbyn and select a sensible moderate leader.

    Steady on Colm.

    As some other plebs regularly wail..

    “Go Corbo”.

    😏

  36. Yep.

    Again, this is possibly my one and only last chance of voting, knowing exactly what I am voting for, and ultimately going to receive in return.

    Financial and social Armageddon

    That’s what I thought.

    My analysis is that as soon as Brexit goes ahead there’ll be no bogeyman to blame all your ills on so you’ll need another whipping boy for your perpetual malcontented repining.

  37. Colm

    Can’t the wider Labour Party see they are missing a golden opportunity to wipe the floor with the Torres if they dump Corbyn and select a sensible moderate leader.

    I think you’ve hit the nail on the head here Colm. Corbyn is one of the least trusted leaders the Labour party has ever had.

  38. The last decent leader the LP had was John Smith.

  39. That’s what I thought.

    My analysis is that as soon as Brexit goes ahead there’ll be no bogeyman to blame all your ills on so you’ll need another whipping boy for your perpetual malcontented repining.

    Brussels have not gone away you know.

  40. My analysis is that as soon as Brexit goes ahead

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    😂

  41. Paul McMahon, on January 20th, 2019 at 1:25 PM Said:
    The last decent leader the LP had was John Smith.

    “Go Corbo”

    😏

  42. So, it appears just on ATW alone, there is a split on the left of the actual ability of Corbo to run a bath let alone actually running a Country.

    I agree with Colm and Dave.

    Whilst other not so clued up “Go Corbo” lefties appear to believe that Corbo is fit to run office.

  43. Paul McMahon,

    The last decent leader the LP had was John Smith.

    I agree mate, I always liked John Smith. He was one of the good guys.

  44. I agree with Michael Gove in his speech in Parliament. Corbyn is not fit to run the country. He was present at the laying of a wreath for the Munich terrorists. I join my voice with the shouts of “Shame!”

  45. So, what’s your opinion on what’s going to happen in March and how is it going to happen?

    Whilst other not so clued up “Go Corbo” lefties appear to believe that Corbo is fit to run office.

    You’ll be the one voting for him just as you voted for your current Maybot in 2017.

  46. Charles.

    Don’t agree with him, or any of the other self serving charlatans.

    It only encourages the despicable bastards.

  47. Harri

    Sometimes I forget I’m not a Brit and a Tory! 🙂

  48. You’ll be the one voting for him just as you voted for your current Maybot in 2017.

    I want what I voted for.

    Putting aside, and totally ignoring any non binding legal bullshit “manifesto”.

    I am voting for “Corbo” and his assorted motley crew of loons.

    I am voting for the end game

    I’m pretty certain “Corbo” and his associated fruitcakes will not let me down.

    Go Corbo.

  49. He was present at the laying of a wreath for the Munich terrorists

    I’m not sure he was Charles and think it was a bit more nuanced than that:

    https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-jeremy-corbyn-and-the-wreath-row

  50. Charles.

    Most Tories are not Brits.

    They have been reduced to mere “EU citizens”

    They know their place in the pecking order.

  51. I want what I voted for

    Sound so we’ll have no whinging if things go bad then? (Yeah, some chance of that)

    Care to address the question of what and how will happen in March?

  52. Channel 4

    Fact checking?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    😂

  53. Paul, As Gove said Corbyn said he was “present, but not participating.” Some distinction!!

    From your link:

    On Saturday 10 August 2018, the Daily Mail published photos from a 2014 ceremony in Tunis that show Jeremy Corbyn holding a wreath “just feet from the graves of terror leaders linked to the [1972] Munich massacre.”

    Close enough for me!

  54. Sound so we’ll have no whinging if things go bad then? (Yeah, some chance of that)

    IF things go bad?

    😏

    Care to address the question of what and how will happen in March?

    Are you really living in a cave?

    BRINO..at the very,very best.

    Us plebs have Been overruled.

    All hail Emporer Juncker, long live the Brussels Empire.

  55. Of course it is. It’s the Daily Lie Mail and it confirms your personal prejudices.

    Of course, you’ve ommitted the explanatory part of the article which puts context on the Lie Mail story.

  56. On Saturday 10 August 2018, the Daily Mail published photos from a 2014 ceremony in Tunis that show Jeremy Corbyn holding a wreath “just feet from the graves of terror leaders linked to the [1972] Munich massacre.”

    Did Corbo put the wreath on expenses?

    My guess is..yes.

    Despicable to the very core..all of them.

  57. Context, narrative..

    Blah, blah, blah.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

  58. I read the whole link Paul. Him there to lay a wreath for dead from an Israeli airstrike, blah, blah.

  59. So you will be whinging then? As I said, in the event of there being no EU to whine about you’ll need another bogeymen for your infinite kvetching.

    Where have the ‘plebs’ been overruled?

  60. OH dear, I’m blah, blahing with Harri! I must have another cuppa coffee!

  61. There to lay a wreath for dead from an Israeli airstrike

    Yes Charles, as opposed to ‘laying of a wreath for the Munich terrorists’

  62. What is plainly obvious here with some so called plastic liberal progressives.

    I am plainly more of a Republican than others here on ATW.

    Some people “need” leaders.

    Some “need” to be told what to do, and when to do it.

    All hail Emporer Juncker, and the new Empire.

  63. charlesintexas, on January 20th, 2019 at 2:09 PM Said:
    I read the whole link Paul. Him there to lay a wreath for dead from an Israeli airstrike, blah, blah.

    Charles.

    That was for the ATW resident EU empire fanatic, Paul the plastic Republican.

  64. Where have the ‘plebs’ been overruled?

    Jesus H Christ.

    😏

  65. I’ll take that as just another unthinking soundbite and that the ‘plebs’ haven’t been overruled then.

    Context, narrative..

    Blah, blah, blah

    Yep, it certainly sums you and your critical faculties up anyhow.

  66. Paul

    With all due respect.

    Do you honestly believe the likes of Corbo, or Abbot are capable of running the life’s of 60 million plebs?

    Me personally, would be impressed if they actually tie their shoelaces without help.

    Don’t hold back now.

  67. I don’t know Harri. I don’t see how thay can be any more incompetent than the present shower who have caused this complete balls up. However, if you think that they’re a bunch of twats why vote for them?

    The ‘plebs’ haven’t been ‘overruled’ as you state so would you like to inform us how Brexit won’t go ahead?

  68. Yep, it certainly sums you and your critical faculties up anyhow.

    “Go Corbo”

    “Go Dianne Abbott”.

  69. Yep, it certainly sums you and your critical faculties up anyhow.

    “Go Corbo”

    “Go Dianne Abbott”.

    QED. Thank you.

  70. Paul McMahon, on January 20th, 2019 at 2:47 PM Said:
    I don’t know Harri. I don’t see how thay can be any more incompetent than the present shower who have caused this complete balls up. However, if you think that they’re a bunch of twats why vote for them?

    Why indeed?

    Have you been listetning?

    “This is possibly my one and only last chance of getting what I actually voted for”.

    Armageddon.

  71. So you want Armageddon? Is that it?

  72. don’t know Harri. I don’t see how thay can be any more incompetent than the present shower

    Oh, they are.

    It depends on how stupid you are to fall for it.

    Paul, in your case, plenty stupid appears to be the vase.

    What was it now?

    Oh yeah, I remember now… ” Go Corbo”.

    😏

  73. Paul McMahon, on January 20th, 2019 at 2:52 PM Said:
    So you want Armageddon? Is that it?

    I want, what I voted for..

  74. Harri, on January 20th, 2019 at 2:54 PM Said:
    Paul McMahon, on January 20th, 2019 at 2:52 PM Said:
    So you want Armageddon? Is that it?

    Yep..

    I want exactly the same as you Paul

    Go Corbo.

  75. Paul.

    You must have realised by now that Harri doesn’t appear to understand the concept of a two-way, cogent and coherent conversation.

  76. I want exactly the same as you Paul

    Go Corbo.

    Harri, I know that politics isn’t your strong point but you do know that those in / from the N.I. state can’t actualy vote for the British LP as they don’t stand candidates in general elections there don’t you?

    Paul, in your case, plenty stupid appears to be the vase.

    Vase? Poor little flower.

    Harri, when it comes to stupidity you are probably the most out of your depth in a political discussion than anyone else on ATW.

    This is an example of a normal Harri ‘political’ discussion:

    Harri, – ‘Yeah but something, something, something ‘Ze Commission’ sixty palaces each for a billion emperors etc’

    Sensible people on ATW – No Harri. You’re actually incorrect and this is why […]

    Harri – Yeah, but Noel and Paul are plastics and Seimi’s a girl, and Phantom’s a state agent and Colm and Reg and Seamus, and, and, and…..

    Sensible people on ATW – For fuck’s sake

    Harri, you’re a wannabe Pete Moore and A@A without the wit and intelligence. The Samuel Clemens quote about arguing with stupid people could have been made for you. On the plus side, you never fail to show how mauch of a wab you are to ATW readers.

    Cue six shallow, inept comments:

  77. *much

  78. Harri

    What is a plastic liberal progressive. Is it someone who is a fake liberal, actually a right wing conservative ?

  79. Paul

    Calm down, you are in danger of letting Harri drive you temporarily nuts as he did with Seimi the other day 😉

  80. I’m perfectly calm Colm although I suspect Harri wil try one of his comedic quips or jolly japes about your comment.

    I always like to attempt to give him the benefit of the doubt by starting to engage with him in a normal, logical way Dave. Unfortunately he very quickly shows that the only effort his ‘debates’ are worth are scorn and ridicule.

  81. “Yes Charles, as opposed to ‘laying of a wreath for the Munich terrorists’”

    The memorial to the Tunis victims is in the other end of the courtyard from where Corbyn was pictured, while he was pictured pretty much right beside the graves of the four PLO members, including the grave of Salah Khalaf Abu Iyad, the former head of intelligence for the PLO who also founded Black September. The other 3 have all been linked in some way to the Black September organisation.

    I think it would be debatable but not incorrect to say he was there laying a wreath for the Munich terrorists. It would be incorrect to say he was there laying a wreath for the victims of the Israeli air strikes (or solely to lay a wreath for the victims of the airstrikes). In fact, from Paul’s own link, Corbyn admitted being at the ceremony honouring the PLO operatives killed in Paris by Israel. Now none of the four officially were killed by Israel, and three were not killed in Paris. However Atef Bseiso, one of the four, was killed in Paris, either by the Abu Nidal Organisation or Mossad. Most likely Corbyn is referring to him in his article in 2014. So Corbyn has broadly speaking admitting being involved in the ceremony honouring the four PLO members.

    So while it may not be honest to say that he was laying a wreath for the Munich terrorists (as the level of involvement that Salah Khalaf or the other 3 had in Munich is debatable at best) it is simply the truth that Jeremy Corbyn laid a wreath at the grave of the founder of the Black September organisation.

    Any attempts to avoid that is nothing more than spin.

  82. There are no attempts to avoid that Seamus, it’s clearly explained in the C4 article.

    Charles states that he was ‘laying of a wreath for the Munich terrorists’.

  83. I stand corrected, but as Seamus states so eloquently, Corbyn ain’t no alter boy!

  84. Go Corbo!!

  85. “Charles states that he was ‘laying of a wreath for the Munich terrorists’.”

    Which is debatable, but not completely incorrect. He laid a wreath at the grave of the man who founded the organisation who carried out the Munich Massacre.

  86. Go, Dianne Abbot.

    You’re the best us plebs have got.

    😏

    Which is debatable, but not completely incorrect. He laid a wreath at the grave of the man who founded the organisation who carried out the Munich Massacre.

    So, absolutely no clutching at straws there then?

    😏

  87. Paul McMahon, on January 20th, 2019 at 3:53 PM Said:
    There are no attempts to avoid that Seamus, it’s clearly explained in the C4 article.

    Channel 4.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    😂

  88. I think that it’s debatable at the very most.

    If he wanted to lay a wreath at the graves of the Munich terrorists he simply could have went to the graves of those buried in the cemetery.

  89. Corbyn ain’t no alter boy!

    Have a look at those supplying Theresa May with her ‘confidence and supply’ deal Charles…..

  90. Seamus, are you aware of this? Something you might possibly be interested in:

    https://www.eventbrite.ie/e/beyond-brexit-registration-49981301418

  91. Colm, on January 19th, 2019 at 11:26 PM Said:

    There are no Brexit supporters who aren’t motivated by anything other than loathing of foreigners and narrow stupid insular bigotry. They are satisfied by the oldest emotion in politics. The pleasure in hating ‘others’.

    Colm – as you would know, I like Europeans and European countries and European people because they are white, accomplished, and related to me. I dislike corrupt politicos who are owned by the Money Power, and that covers very much the majority of those who favour the EU.

  92. Colm – as you would know, I like Europeans and European countries and European people because they are white, accomplished, and related to me

    Just as long as they’re not living next door to you?

  93. Allan joins the list of those who didn’t really get what I was saying with that comment. Sarcasm may well be the lowest form of wit but it’s also high enough to go over people’s heads 😉

  94. Colm – you weren’t being sarcastic for your comment fits in with your general outlook on Brexit and its supporters, and you know it.

    Anyway, when Brexit is done, the repair program needs to start and what better example than Kenya……

    http://newobserveronline.com/kenya-expel-425000-somali-refugees/

    The black African state of Kenya has ordered the expulsion of 425,000 Somali “refugees” back home, calling the invaders a “breeding ground for terrorism” and an “economic burden.”

    The West’s controlled media has blacked out the news because it undermines the “Somali refugee” narrative promoted in the West—and because it is a black state doing the expelling, instead of a European state.

    The last part is inaccurate…….

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/12/world/africa/kenya-citing-terror-threat-plans-to-expel-somali-refugees.html

    The Kenyan government has announced that it plans to expel hundreds of thousands of refugees, a move that aid agencies say would violate international law and endanger many people.