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Kentucky Incident ( retracted, contains things since disproven, but left up )

By Phantom On January 20th, 2019

Boy, just when you think that you’ve seen it all.

Friday ( I believe ) a mob of visiting white high school kids from Kentucky mocked and intimidated a 64 year old American Indian in the streets of Washington DC.

The students were part of a Catholic school participation in a ” March for Life ” anti abortion protest.

Some broke from that demonstration to and started harassing Nathan Philips, a Vietnam veteran who was there as part of the ” Indigenous People’s March “, performing a Indian song.

One of the young Trumpers here gets in Mr. Philips’ face and stays there. Another does the mock-Indian ” Tomahawk Chop “.

I don’t think that these are evil kids. There is call for them to be expelled from the school. Let’s not do that. They are likely young men in need of guidance, not much more.

It is noted that the president has very recently used the white massacre of Indians at Wounded Knee as a campaign throwaway line, as he has used ” Pochohantas ” as a weapon, as he has disrespected Navaho Code Talkers ( hero communicators who served in WW2 – the enemy could not break the Navaho language ) by using a meeting with them to criticize Elizabeth Warren.

The young men heard the message that Trump was giving well – that Indians should be mocked. They know what those red hats mean.

Let these misguided young men be punished, but not expelled. They can be saved. Show them some proper male role models, men like Nathan Philips.

151 Responses to “Kentucky Incident ( retracted, contains things since disproven, but left up )”

  1. “Some broke from that demonstration to and started harassing Nathan Philips ..”

    Fake News, and a terrible slur on the teens.

    https://twitter.com/PolishPatriotTM/status/1086955744556171266

    “This unedited video (with the original sound) is indisputable proof that the Native American man approached the Catholic school kids”

    The unedited video demonstrates that the teens stayed where they were and that Running Bull moved towards them while drumming and chanting. They simply stood their ground, which they’re entitled to do.

    The US and UK media are doing a total job on the young men, which has resulted in threats against them, because they’re white, conservative and Christian.

  2. They were harassing him With the mock Indian chants and the mock tomahawk chops ( seen at some football and at Atlanta Braves baseball games here )

    That cannot possibly be disputed

  3. Apparently it was all the fault of ‘black Muslims’ :

    https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/ky-catholic-teens-maga-taunts-native-american/?fbclid=IwAR3qWtTdMEbWU9HoIo0kKneOIYnHEsB2-KBXMpsgXog9EkgW365GDjZPbFM

  4. Watch the local geniuses try to justify this now

    As predictable as tomorrow’s sun rising in the east.

  5. Wouldn’t you love to smack the smug off that twerps face

  6. Actually, I’m glad you covered this and beat Pete to the punch Phantom.

  7. Young boys of that age tend to not know anything, esp when in a group. Be understanding of them.

    I’d be far more critical of their bad role models, including the one in the White House, the thug with a painting of Indian-killer and architect of genocide Andrew Jackson in his office.
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/22/andrew-jackson-donald-trump-216493

  8. Elizabeth Warrens 0.000000000000001pct native American heritage is completely deserving of being mocked. Especially when she has used it to scam affirmative action programmes.

  9. She should have been mocked for that, but not at a ceremony for the Navaho Code Talkers. They are a noble people, not a prop for this unmanly coward.

    Etc.

  10. Is Nathan Philips deserving of being mocked and intimidated though DIG?

  11. Paul you haven’t watched the whole video have you. Or you would not be asking. Mr Phillips should be treated with courtesy. Hope that disappoints you.

  12. Phantom –

    Shame on you for posting an edited, dishonest video which perpetuates dangerous lies about schoolboys who were keeping themselves to themselves and now, thanks to blatant lies, have the angry mob after them.

  13. In a joint statement Saturday, the school and Diocese of Covington said they were reviewing the incident and they would “take appropriate action, up to and including expulsion.”

    “We condemn the actions of the Covington Catholic High School students towards Nathan Phillips specifically, and Native Americans in general, Jan. 18, after the March for Life, in Washington, D.C. We extend our deepest apologies to Mr. Phillips. This behavior is opposed to the Church’s teachings on the dignity and respect of the human person,” the statement read.

    ( USA Today )

  14. People do stupid things, and in this day and age it often gets on video and gets more attention than it should. I’m not condoning this behavior but it ain’t exactly the trail of tears.

  15. Think for yourself, Phantom.

    Unedited, raw video demonstrates that the boys did nothing wrong. But they’re white, Christian boys while Nathan Philips is straight out of lefty central casting when a victim is needed.

    So the press has piled on and under severe pressure, before they knew what had happened, the school and diocese put out an unjust statement. The boys’ parents should sue them and the media for the terrible lies made about their sons.

    But this is the left all over now. It destroys lives when people have the temerity to not think like them. Tonight 15 year old boys are being doxxed and receiving violent threats, even though the evidence shows absolutely clearly that they did nothing wrong.

    And you, Phantom, piled in on them, just to show what a good, moral person you are.

  16. Oh Pete stop your lies. This isn’t one of your circle jerk supremist sites, people here know you and your reputation for falsehood.

  17. They mocked the Indian man with mocking chants and gestures.

    These may be OK with you and with your President Pete, But they’re not OK with me

  18. Well done Phantom, all comments.

  19. Phantom –

    Here is the raw, unedited video which demonstrates that the boys did nothing wrong and that Nathan Philips approached them. How’s about you use this instead of the edited, dishonest video in the post? Go on, in the interest of full disclosure.

    https://twitter.com/matthewschmitz/status/1086994001801158656

  20. Mahons, it is clear that Pete is not lying, from the unedited video. Yes, the kids acted like kids, but the diocese has thrown them to the wolves. But at least only an Indian got them, and not a priest.

    And I’m Catholic, so don’t bother with your condemnations!

  21. //But they’re white, Christian boys while Nathan Philips is straight out of lefty central casting when a victim is needed.//

    He had served his country in Vietnam. That kid probably never even had to work for his dinner.

  22. Phantom’s post is a total mis-characterization, unintentional I’m sure, given the raw film that shows the boys being walked up to by a stranger.

    This really gets my Irish up!

  23. Paul you haven’t watched the whole video have you

    Yes, I have.

    Mr Phillips should be treated with courtesy.

    So, we’re agreed that an older man shouldn’t be mocked and intimidated by a large group of teenagers then? Good.

    Here is the raw, unedited video

    Is it Pete? It’s even more ntimidatory than the one Phantom linked to. Why did they surround him and obstruct his free passage?

    I’m sure, given the raw film that shows the boys being walked up to by a stranger.

    Same question as above to you Charles.

    These kids shouldn’t be punished but they do need to learn some damn respect for their elders.

  24. These kids shouldn’t be punished but they do need to learn some damn respect for their elders.

    The kids should be talked to Paul, and have someone explain to them what happened to them, and maybe a better way to react.

    What the diocese did, in condemning them, was done by adults, and is inexcusable. Just my opinion!

  25. I said they shouldn’t be punished Charles.

    They deliberately blocked the passage of an elderly gentleman then surrounded him and taunted him. If any child of mine was responsible for such behaviour I’d take the head off their shoulders. What does the mother do?, blame her son’s behaviour on ‘black muslims’.

    At the very, very least they should apologise for their disgraceful actions.

  26. Pete, Charles

    I’ve watched Pete’s video a good few times

    It doesn’t disprove anything

    And I again state that these don’t look to be bad kids.

    An unpleasant incident that should not be overstated
    ,
    By the way, those black Israelites Are a known group of black racist crazies that I have seen a number of times in New York City.

  27. Charles – review Pete’s comments, get back to me.

  28. We basically agree Paul. They should have been cognizant of the fact that they were ambassadors of their school and their faith, and should have been on their best behaviour.

    What really gets me is the diocese.

  29. Charles, you’re a gentleman.

  30. I suppose the behaviour of the disrespectful smug little shit isn’t surprising in light of his mother’s comments.

  31. Charles

    Correct

    Always, always, remember that we are ambassadors of our town, state, nation

    Act accordingly, even more when you’re part of a group.

  32. Always, always, remember that we are ambassadors of our town, state, nation

    Act accordingly, even more when you’re part of a group.

    Right Phantom, I think that is the take away of all this. If I had a son there, he would know that I was very disappointed in his actions.

  33. I just watched the unedited footage linked by Pete at 8.00pm. Whatever went on, it wasn’t this…….

    Friday ( I believe ) a mob of visiting white high school kids from Kentucky mocked and intimidated a 64 year old American Indian in the streets of Washington DC.

    The students were part of a Catholic school participation in a ” March for Life ” anti abortion protest.

    Some broke from that demonstration to and started harassing Nathan Philips, a Vietnam veteran who was there as part of the ” Indigenous People’s March “, performing a Indian song.

    “A mob” – seriously? But the jews are outraged by a group of white boys not backing down and are demanding that each be hunted down – yes, seriously.

    https://dailystormer.name/disgusting-yiddish-fiends-launch-full-scale-assault-against-white-boys-attacked-by-indian-warband/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=29&v=npX801xLSFY

    Vicki Mclaughlin
    17 hours ago
    “A group of white students wearing MAGA hats were chanting their high school chant so this man comes over with his drum and walks over to them. He gets in one students face and bangs him drum. It was recorded and has turned into “white students harass Native American banging his drum” when all the kid is did was stand there while this man went looking for trouble. The left has doxxed the student and are calling for him to be expelled. Of course they are sending him very tolerant death threats. That’s the gist of it.”

    Yes – the left is wanting the student, into whose face the Indian walked, to be ruined before he even leaves school.

    https://dailystormer.name/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DxVwEBMWwAASABa.jpg

    Such things are matters of record – this is what they are.

  34. I’m not taking sides here. But watching the unedited video, did the elderly man with the drum not walk up to the students and start banging the drum in one of their faces?

  35. I just looked at Pete’s tape yet another time

    It doesn’t prove or disprove that point

  36. But watching the unedited video, did the elderly man with the drum not walk up to the students and start banging the drum in one of their faces?

    Phantom’s problem is that the white kid did not back away but simply stood his ground, in an unthreatening stance – see below…..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=29&v=npX801xLSFY

    Vicki Mclaughlin
    17 hours ago
    “A group of white students wearing MAGA hats were chanting their high school chant so this man comes over with his drum and walks over to them. He gets in one students face and bangs him drum. It was recorded and has turned into “white students harass Native American banging his drum” when all the kid is did was stand there while this man went looking for trouble. The left has doxxed the student and are calling for him to be expelled. Of course they are sending him very tolerant death threats. That’s the gist of it.”

  37. ” But watching the unedited video, did the elderly man with the drum not walk up to the students and start banging the drum in one of their faces?”

    My viewing of it is that he walks up to the space between the MAGA kids and the black supremacist people and stands between the two of them. He isn’t in the kids faces – he is in front of them. They then converge on him.

  38. Mr Philips said that that he walked between the students and the ( racist idiot ) Black Hebrews in an attempt to defuse a dangerous developing situation between those two groups.I see no reason to disbelieve him,

    The students were attending a Catholic pro life rally – so why were so many of them wearing the divisive MAGA hats? What does MAGAism have to do with such a rally?

    Where was the adult supervision?

  39. r Philips said that that he walked between the students and the ( racist idiot ) Black Hebrews in an attempt to defuse a dangerous developing situation between those two groups.I see no reason to disbelieve him,

    That cast a whole new light on the action of Mr. Phillips. Him looking after the boys while the Black Hebrews, who ever they are, toss racial taunts at the boys.

    Phantom, here in the Southwest, at Fort Bliss, I had the honour to meet an actual Navajo radio talker. They are in their 90ies now. Very special men, they are.

  40. Cheers

    https://americanindian.si.edu/static/education/codetalkers/html/chapter4.html

  41. Seamus,

    My viewing of it is that he walks up to the space between the MAGA kids and the black supremacist people and stands between the two of them. He isn’t in the kids faces – he is in front of them. They then converge on him.

    But if you watch the full video Seamus, the way the mainstream media reported this and the way it actually happened, appear to be quite different. The media claim that the kids surrounded him, when he actually walked up to them. They also claimed the ‘MAGA kids’ were being aggressive, but I don’t see any serious aggression from them. I know some of them stand around him, but his progress is not impeded. As demonstrated in the video below where he finally walks away.
    I’ve watched a lot of the long video link below. which shows that everyone present on this day, was actually pretty well behaved. the only nasty racist comments I hear are from the black Hebrew Israelites.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQyBHTTqb38&t=4509s

  42. “But if you watch the full video Seamus, the way the mainstream media reported this and the way it actually happened, appear to be quite different. “

    The media were largely basing it on the first bit of footage released. The second, much longer video, paints a different picture.

    And while it paints a kinder picture than the first video it doesn’t exonerate the wee brats involved.

  43. Seamus.

    I’m not trying to claim that the MAGA kids were little angels Seamus, they weren’t.
    I’m just saying that the out of proportion treatment they got in the media, was pretty disgusting.

  44. I’m not sure it’s that out of proportion. The main bulk of the criticism (ie the racist mocking of an elderly Native American) still stands.

  45. I’m just saying that the out of proportion treatment they got in the media, was pretty disgusting.

    Dave, it has led to death threats against the boys and their families. I hardly recognize my country anymore mate.

  46. Sadly it is an indictment of modern society. If anyone does pretty much anything high profile (positive or negative) then they are bombarded with threats of all forms.

  47. Thank you Charles, at least you understand the point I’m trying to make.
    Most of the mainstream media, reported this as a group of aggressive kids, surrounding an intimidating an old man. Whilst I agree that the kids acted in an immature way, they certainly weren’t overtly aggressive, and the gentleman was free to walk away at any time. But sadly these kids have got trial by media, which is out of proportion to any sort of punishment they deserve.

  48. You’re a disgrace Tom.

  49. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/21/native-american-mocked-by-students-i-saw-my-country-being-torn-apart

  50. Stories like this and the one in Buzzfeed and the 4 or 5 articles a day that run in the NYT and WaPo are what keep those in the bubble with their heads up their keisters.

  51. Fake News is all you know isn’t it Phantom?

    Fake News, No History and absolutely no reality.

  52. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/native-american-make-america-great-again-student_us_5c455270e4b0bfa693c4d1e1

    The student in the video said he’s received death threats after the confrontation, and attempted to clarify that he was trying to help defuse the situation.

  53. More video emerged on Sunday of the viral moment between a Native American man and a student wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat, complicating an incident that has already been cast as yet another parable of the nation’s heavily divided politics and growing racial tension.

    More than an hour of footage shot before the encounter was uploaded on YouTube on Sunday, and appeared to show a confrontation between a large group of Catholic students instigated by black men who identified themselves as Hebrew Israelites. In the clip, the men can be heard shouting at anyone on scene at the Lincoln Memorial, including other black visitors and Native Americans.

    The camera then turns to the students, who were in Washington for an anti-abortion rally, some of whom were wearing hats with President Donald Trump’s campaign slogan.

    “And you got these pompous bastards coming down here in the middle of a native rally with their dirty ass hat on,” a man in the video says. Another person later screams at the students: “A bunch of incest babies. This is what ‘Make America Great’ looks like.”

  54. “The student in the video ..attempted to clarify that he was trying to help defuse the situation.”

    LOL.

    And they believe him.

  55. The Left attack children because they wear MAGA hats and you cheer them on.

    There is something really wrong with you dude.

  56. The Native American man stands between the two groups. The group of kids then surround him. He doesn’t walk up to them. He walks between them and the black protesters.

    So the Native American man did not approach the boy with the smirk on his face. The Native American man stands between the two groups and the boys come over to him. So the kid is lying in his statement.

  57. “The Left attack children because they wear MAGA hats and you cheer them on.”

    No. People are “attacking” “children” because they racially abused someone.

  58. Wrong Seamus that is not what happened.

    The Students were on on the Memorial steps waiting for their buses to be picked up when a leftwing group launched at them.

    If you notice the boy in the video his mouth never opens he’s praying. This was a manufactured story but as more film has been released it shows the Catholic School boys being targeted by the other group.

  59. Seamus,

    So the Native American man did not approach the boy with the smirk on his face. The Native American man stands between the two groups and the boys come over to him. So the kid is lying in his statement.

    I would ask those on ATW to watch the video below from 1:12:00 and draw their own conclusions on whether the man approached the boys, or the boys approach the man.
    In my opinion, it’s pretty obvious that he walked over to them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQyBHTTqb38&t=4509s

  60. THE REAL STORY BEHIND THE CATHOLIC SCHOOL BOYS AND THEIR DUST UP WITH A NATIVE AMERICAN VETERAN

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/20/viral-video-context-smear-catholic-boys-maga/

    There now I’ve posted two links one left and one right that both say this story is a sham.

  61. This was a Fake News Story attacking Catholic Children because they wore MAGA Hats setup by the NYT

  62. Seamus,

    No. People are “attacking” “children” because they racially abused someone.

    Perhaps I missed it, but when were they racially abusing him?

  63. “In my opinion, it’s pretty obvious that he walked over to them.”

    1:12 shows him standing still and them moving up towards him. He stood between the two groups and the boys moved up to him.

    “The Students were on on the Memorial steps waiting for their buses to be picked up when a leftwing group launched at them.”

    So the Black Hebrew Israelites are now a left-wing group?

    “If you notice the boy in the video his mouth never opens he’s praying.”

    I don’t know about you but I don’t smirk when I pray.

    Also were the people making tomahawk signs with their hands “praying” as well?

  64. “Perhaps I missed it, but when were they racially abusing him?”

    The tomahawk chops?

  65. Dave

    There are none so blind as those who will not see the video.

  66. The tomahawk chops?

    https://goo.gl/images/9ksA77

  67. I must say that the young man in the video acted a damn sight better than I would have if someone was beating a drum under my nose!

  68. By the way, those black Israelites Are a known group of black racist crazies that I have seen a number of times in New York City.

    Ah, they get a free pass a) they are black, b) they weren’t wearing MAGA baseball caps.

  69. I don’t give the black Israelites a pass. They are a group of racist, And anti-Catholic bums

    The longer video that Dave shared gives additional detail showing that the black racists were aggressively seeking a confrontation with the students. The situation was ugly.

    I absolutely believe that Mr. Phillips was trying to defuse the situation, As he said he was doing.

    Mr. Phillips should be praised, the students should be gently chastised for their Mockery of Phillips, But praised for their extreme restraint at the racist provocations by the black Israelites; And the racist black Israelites should be condemned

  70. Phantom

    Mr. Phillips should be praised, the students should be gently chastised for their Mockery of Phillips, But praised for their extreme restraint at the racist provocations by the black Israelites; And the racist black Israelites should be condemned

    Well said.

  71. I’d like to see Mr. Phillips invited to visit that school in Kentucky

    I think that he and the students would get along very well

  72. I disagree with your 1.14 Dave. In the video it’s clear to see his passage was impeded at which point they surrounded and jeered at him. Also, in the vid Pete links to in his ‘humility’ post, the guy with the camera swearing can be clearly heard saying to one of the crowd of kids:

    We were here already. We were having a demonstration and now you come here and fucking do this

    I don’t give a shit about their politics or who or what they are. They were ill behaved, disrespectful, ignorant little shits and if any of my kids behaved in such a discourteously boorish way they’d very quickly find my boot up their arse.

    The kids shouldn’t be punished but they should show a measure of contrition at their contemptuous behaviour and apologise.

  73. I’d like to see Mr. Phillips invited to visit that school in Kentucky

    I think that he and the students would get along very well

    That’s a great idea Phantom.

  74. Phantom 3:04pm

    Well said. Why didn’t you post that in the first place. And what’s with the “Trump Youth”?

    Paul, keep digging. The media’s reaction, and therefore yours, is an absolute disgrace. Hyped up kids on a day out, being abused, who misread a situation.

  75. From the other thread

    “A crowd of ill mannered, ignorant, arrogant little pricks.”

    OTT anyone?

  76. Keep digging Matt? It’s Pete’s link.

    You think that my position that the kids shouldn’t be punished but should apologise for such yobbish behaviour is ‘an absolute disgrace?’

    Please elaborate as to why.

  77. That’s precisely what they are.

  78. Matt

    I did not know the full picture of what the “black Israelites “were doing

    I am still critical of the students for their mock Indian chant and all that

    The fact that they were wearing MAGA hats While mocking the Indian man absolutely means something.

  79. The leader of the American indigenous demonstration was just on television

    He was highly critical of the racist black Israelites, and said that the Indians had expelled them after the blacks had invaded the space of the Indians

    This moved the blacks Israelites in the direction of the students he said

    He was critical of the students for doing that racist tomahawk chop- A gesture that by the way was seen among the Kansas city Chiefs fans last night,

    He was also highly critical of the president For mocking the genocide of the American Indians, And for repeatedly using the name of an American Indian woman as a slur for political purposes

  80. The fact that they were wearing MAGA hats While mocking the Indian man absolutely means something.

    It means that the liberal progressive propaganda machine that you are submersed in used it as all propaganda is used… to fuel hate.

    and you bought it…. Hook, Line, and Sinker.

  81. I have concluded that this micro incident is just another skirmish in America’s much reported much tweeted much videod much instagrammed and virally disseminated culture war battle. Everyone who sees and comments on it will take from it what they wish.

  82. Racism is part of MAGA. Not all of it, but definitely some of it.

    The Indigenous people in Washington the other day see it, even if you guys pretend not to see it.

  83. Colm

    Yes there is a bit of Roshomon in this

    The film is known for a plot device that involves various characters providing subjective, alternative, self-serving and contradictory versions of the same incident.

    Wiki, about the 1950 Japanese film

  84. Right I know what should happen to all involved.

    The Confused Black ‘Hebrews’ should be put on a plane and dumped in the middle of some Ethiopian valley with some daft explanation that it’s Gods special land for them.

    The brainwashed Catholic brats should be hauled into the nearest confession box on their knees offering ‘penance’ to a Pervy priest 😱

    The Native American should be given a casino in the dessert to run like most Native Americans rather than wasting time annoying everyone banging drums in their faces.

    There, I think I have managed to equally outrage every group involved 😉

  85. Phantom, on January 21st, 2019 at 5:54 PM Said:
    Racism is part of MAGA. Not all of it, but definitely some of it.

    Racism is the tool soley of the left always has been. It is all the left has to control and manipulate their minions like you…. the guilty affluent white man, they manipulate all the little sub groups the oppressed they’ll help them help them all because THEY don’t believe any of them can survive without them. Because the Blacks the Gays, the whatever are oppressed by the evil white christian majority….. and it works

    You see a loon banging a drum in a child’s face who says nothing but is praying for him and you see hate from the children not the antagonist adults…. you’re a textbook case of how it works….. lmao

  86. The left are a tad quiet regarding the black supremacists in attendance?

  87. I note that your lord and master Trump has a long list of racist incidents to his ” credit ” and that his father was arrested while causing trouble about a KKK rally in Queens NY.

    The great Woody Guthrie, who some of the local Trumpers may have heard of, sang a song about Fred Trump’s racism.

    Old Man Trump
    Words by Woody Guthrie Adapted by Ryan Harvey, Music by Ryan Harvey
    I suppose that Old Man Trump knows just how much racial hate
    He stirred up in that bloodpot of human hearts
    When he drawed that color line
    Here at his Beach Haven family project

    Beach Haven ain’t my home!
    No, I just can’t pay this rent!
    My money’s down the drain,
    And my soul is badly bent!
    Beach Haven is Trump’s Tower
    Where no black folks come to roam,
    No, no, Old Man Trump!
    Old Beach Haven ain’t my home!

    i have already condemned the Black Israelite racist reverse vampire Allans.

  88. And fair play to you Phantom

    Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t Hilary Clinton rather friendly with an ex Great Wizard of the KKK?

    Richard C Byrd

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/clinton-byrd-photo-klan/

  89. Phantom..

    My lord and master?

    I don’t think so.

  90. You’re a foreigner.

    He is the lord and master of the US Trumpers

    They never offer any real criticism of him, all they do is bow and scape and support uncritically like Stepin Fetchitt.

  91. Harri,

    The left are a tad quiet regarding the black supremacists in attendance?

    But the ‘left’ on ATW have criticized them.

  92. Dave.

    Fair play to you too.

  93. There simply is no “ left “ on ATW, apart from Petr, who rarely comments these days.

    Criticism of Trump or of the US corporate Republican Party does not make one a leftist of any kind.

  94. Phantom,

    There simply is no “ left “ on ATW, apart from Petr, who rarely comments these days.

    Absolutely spot on.

  95. So that means there are only centrists and right wingers like myself, LOL.

  96. You are centrist

  97. Thank you Phantom. Can I lean to the right a little? 🙂

  98. Phantom joined the hateful mob who went after these boys because they are everything the left hates:

    White
    Male
    Christian
    Pro-life
    Pro-Trump

    And he thinks he’s not a leftist. He’s a raving leftist. It doesn’t matter if it’s unconscious leftism, he’s still a leftist.

  99. Pete,

    I’m 4 of the 5 of those. Am I no longer a “raving leftist”?

  100. Poor Pete

  101. charlesintexas,

    So that means there are only centrists and right wingers like myself, LOL.

    I would actually put you as a bit right of centre Charles. In the same way I put myself a bit left of centre. Which is also were a political compass test puts me.

  102. Most sensible people take a so-called right position on some issues and so-called left position on others

    If you check all the boxes for any ideology, you’re a bit of a non-thinking moron

  103. Dave, I think that’s correct. Most of us are centrists or we wouldn’t be here talking to each other. We all “lean” a little bit one way or the other.

  104. If you check all the boxes for any ideology, you’re a bit of a non-thinking moron

    “Trump Youth Harass American Indian Veteran”

  105. White
    Male
    Christian
    Pro-life

    you’d be labeled part of the Lunatic right Seamus in the US. no matter what else you believe about anything.

    With those 4 traits you are the problem in America…… ask any Democrat.

  106. Nail on head with the 7.44 Phantom. Analysis and reaction to events based purely on the narrow prism of ideaology is folly. Unfortunately words lost all meaning on ATW a long time ago.

    I would actually put you as a bit right of centre Charles. In the same way I put myself a bit left of centre.

    100% Dave. I’d put most here on the centr right / left spectrum with a few exceptions.

  107. Pete

    You’re very befuddled today, almost to a Pennsylvanian level

    What ideology do I support down the line?

    Don’t you dare say anything about Trump, because I have praised some of his positions – wanting to stop illegal immigration, wanting to stop unfair Chinese trade practices.

    While I have been speaking pure Aristotelian logic over the past two years, You have been flip-flopping from supporting Ron Paul to supporting the 100 percent different Donald Trump on the way to supporting whoever is the next American politician to fall off the turnip wagon

  108. “you’d be labeled part of the Lunatic right Seamus in the US.”

    Yet according to you lot I’m a communist.

  109. Seamus

    Yet according to you lot I’m a communist.

    to be honest Seamus, your earlier four out of five comment, I was surprised work out you must be black. 😁

  110. Abortion “rights” are a litmus test in this country. Ask any pro-life Democrat, if you can find one.

  111. I would say I’m black Irish but I’m not even.

  112. Joe Donnelly had some success but he was largely a pro-life Democrat running in a conservative state. You do still get the occasional one (but again they tend to be in already conservative leaning states).

  113. Yet according to you lot I’m a communist.

    Hardly surprising when a social democrat like Bernie Saunders and a public healthcare system is labelled the same Seamus.

  114. Words dont mean anything to these people

    They don’t know what words mean

  115. Paul and to everybody if you don’t think you have good conversations here than please do the site a favor and leave.

    I’ve had good conversations with all of you and I am going to continue to come to this site everyday as long as lasts, or I do.

    My guess is so will Phantom and inspite of the fact that I truly despise the man I have had a few good conversations with him also.

    but please if any of you don’t like the site leave, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

  116. Charles

    You supported single-payer healthcare, or came very close to doing so

    So according to the brain dead among us, you support death panels, and all that bla bla bla

  117. Phantom, yes I do, along the French model of part state, part private healthcare.

  118. Patrick

    Again, you are asserting authority over David’s website.

    Please shut your gob and speak for yourself only

  119. Paul and to everybody if you don’t think you have good conversations here than please do the site a favor and leave.

    Who’s suggesting anything of the sort? The only point being made is that positions that some disagree with are lazily and incorrectly labelled ‘commie’ (as would MLK were he alive today).

  120. Phantom, on January 21st, 2019 at 8:08 PM Said:
    Charles

    You supported single-payer healthcare, or came very close to doing so

    So according to the brain dead among us, you support death panels, and all that bla bla bla

    You see this is a comment not from a man that wants to exchange views on a topic, find out why someone holds a different point view someone trying to explain why they believe or don’t believe something.

    That is the comment from an antagonist looking to fight and cause fights rather than discuss an issue.

    Yet he believes he is better than…… lmao

  121. Phantom, in all fairness it seems like Pat’s been handed the caretaker keys by the proprieter.

  122. You shush

    I show where Charles is not lock step, and Charles agrees with me right away

    No argument at all

  123. I guess I’m not the big, bad right winger I pretend to be!

  124. Analysis and reaction to events based purely on the narrow prism of ideaology is folly. Unfortunately words lost all meaning on ATW a long time ago.

    those are your words Paul

  125. The Problems that we face Can never be dealt with by exclusively right wing or left wing, market only or government only solutions

    The world has never worked in such simplistic fashion

  126. Your tone is always hostile Phantom, Arrogant, Obnoxious and self centered.

    Saying “shush” to someone proves it.

  127. Those are your words Paul

    Yes, they are. So are these:

    The only point being made is that positions that some disagree with are lazily and incorrectly labelled ‘commie’

    I guess I’m not the big, bad right winger I pretend to be!

    I once called you a thinking Conservative. That’s precisely what you are.

  128. If the thinking people here have a problem with me, Il’ll be concerned about it

    Now shush, and stop pretending to be David’s boss

  129. Thank you Paul!

  130. Phantom, on January 21st, 2019 at 8:19 PM Said:
    The Problems that we face Can never be dealt with by exclusively right wing or left wing, market only or government only solutions

    The world has never worked in such simplistic fashion

    That is why you try to converse about why 2 people hold differing views. Rather than belittle. I’m a devout christian yet I support pro-choice how can that be…. as you say nothing is black and white except your insanity over the current president….

    you’re arrogance however has always been who you are, and you’re not alone.

  131. Phantom, on January 21st, 2019 at 8:25 PM Said:
    If the thinking people here have a problem with me, Il’ll be concerned about it

    Now shush, and stop pretending to be David’s boss

    I post here as a GUEST of our Host, I have more restrictions on what I say and do on this site than any of you. Put there by David…. so you can end that bullshit right there.

    So tell me these “thinking” people those are the ones that support you and your views…. and those who don’t support you or your views well they just don’t think…..

    Thank you for the textbook example of elitist arrogance….lmao

  132. One of the greatest rock chix of all time:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pCCdclkdLY

    This reminds me of Pat & Phantom’s tussles.

  133. Sometimes I think the crowd here at ATW are worse than those kids Natives and Hebrews squabbling at the Lincoln memorial 😉

  134. No we’re not!!

  135. Yes you are and if you continue to oppose me I will come up close and bang my drum right in your face 😉

  136. No we’re not. You are.

  137. I’ve no doubt you’d enjoy banging your drum in my face Colm.

  138. Is that what they call it in the UK, “banging your drum?”

  139. Colm loves battering the skin Charles.

  140. Phantom,

    If the thinking people here have a problem with me, Il’ll be concerned about it

    For what It’s worth, I don’t have a problem with you Phantom.
    I actually don’t have a problem with the vast majority of people on this site, which is why it’s one of the few forums that I continually post on.

  141. Nothing like good ol British ( and Irish ) smut to help defuse a situation eh lads 😉

  142. Paul McMahon,

    One of the greatest rock chix of all time:

    Even though you slag my music choices of Paul, I have to agree, this is a great track, and Chrissy is a great girl. Jim Kerr should have never left her. 😁

  143. We can always count on you Colm!

  144. Come to ATW for the lefty bashing, but stay for the smut! 😁

  145. Even though you slag my music choices of Paul

    I’d never slag your music choices Dave. Some aren’t to my taste but you’ve every right to have a subjective taste as me and anyone else.

    How very dare you accuse me of spreading smut Colm. People have been spanked for less.

  146. Paul.

    I wasn’t being serious there mate, that was just a tongue-in-cheek comment.
    I think it’s a good thing that you have some different tastes in music to me. Imagine how sh*t the world be if we all thought the same.

  147. We do all think the same. We all think we’re right 😉

  148. Amen

  149. David Brooks on this.

    Nathan Phillips, told two different versions of what happened. He told The Washington Post that he was singing a traditional song when the teenagers swarmed around him, some chanting, “Build that wall, build that wall.” He decided the right thing to do was to get away. “I’ve got to find myself an exit out of this situation.”

    He told The Detroit Free Press that the incident started when the boys started attacking four African-Americans. So he decided to intervene. “There was that moment when I realized I’ve put myself between beast and prey. These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey.”

    It would appear that Mr. Phillips told a flat out lie to the Detroit newspaper. There is nothing in any of the footage that indicates that the students were attacking any of the black hate group members, Nothing to indicate that they were inclined to attack anyone at all. They were high- spirited, happy, and a little confused at what was going on.

    I will still criticize them for doing the tomahawk chop, a disrespectful Thing to do In this or any situation,

    I will now agree that the students were the least bad actors in this situation.

  150. who says people can’t grow….. good for you Phantom

  151. Isn’t it amazing that this essentially minor trivial incident amongst a small group of people in which not even a single punch was thrown is elevated by our viral social media culture into a global taking point.