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New York New York, it’s a Hell of a Town……

By Patrick Van Roy On January 25th, 2019

Tonight the Freedom Spire is Lit all in Pink, as are the Bridges and anything else the City lights up to mark and celebrate things.

They are celebrating the passing of a law that legalises abortion for any reason up to birth.

Women can go into Labor and between contractions she can yell for an Abortion and in NY she can get one and it doesn’t even have to be performed by a Doctor. The Law also repeals a legislation recognising unborn babies over 24 weeks as potential homicide victims.

That was what Governor/Presidential Candidate Andrew Cuomo, a Catholic, signed the bill on Tuesday before ordering that the spire of One World Trade Center, as well as bridges and buildings in the state capital of Albany be lit pink in celebration.

Now little Andy is one of the Democrats that has said building a Wall on our Southern Border is IMMORAL, but the celebration of Abortion on demand upto the moment of birth isn’t IMMORAL it’s a cause for celebration…..

57 Responses to “New York New York, it’s a Hell of a Town……”

  1. It is a horrifying law, and celebrating it in this fashion is beyond the pale. There was a colorable claim when the issue was viability but this goes far beyond that. It is essentially infanticide in my opinion.

  2. Here we see Trump’s billionaires empathising with the governmemt employees who haven’t been paid for two months. Marie-Antoinette comes to mind: “But let them eat cake instead of bread!”

    “On Thursday morning, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross — a man whose extraordinarily shady financial history doesn’t get the attention it deserves — appeared on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” to talk about the government shutdown. He expressed bafflement at the idea of unpaid federal workers suffering financial hardship, wondering why they don’t just take out loans.

    “There really is not a good excuse why there really should be a liquidity crisis,” he said. “True, the people might have to pay a little bit of interest, but the idea that it’s paycheck or zero is not a really valid idea.” Told that some workers have been relying on food banks, he said, “I know they are, and I don’t really quite understand why.”

    A few hours later, Larry Kudlow, director of Donald Trump’s National Economic Council, told reporters that federal employees forced to work without pay were “volunteering.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/24/opinion/shutdown-ross-kudlow-trump.html

  3. Anyway Patrick, as you know well, Roe v Wade will be repealed this year. So the pro-life brigade will then be able to concentrate on getting abortion legally banned in each state. In the GOP Confederate States that will be a done deal, probably within a few months. But in the Democrat Union states it might take longer.

  4. This is ” spiking the ball ” on what remains a morally troubling issue, even for the majority that supports abortion being legal.

    It is politically stupid. It is rubbing it in the face of abortion opponents. It doesn’t bring people together in any way, it does the opposite.

    Mario Cuomo was a decent man, this Cuomo is not.

  5. One aspect of the new law is that unborn children will no longer be considered as homicide victims. Previously if you attacked a pregnant woman and in doing her child died you could be charged with homicide. If you killed a pregnant woman you could be charged with two counts of homicide.

    11 unborn children (at least – the ones who we know about) lost their lives in 9/11. Andrew Cuomo just lit up the World Trade Centre to celebrate the fact that those 11 will no longer be considered victims.

  6. Peter….. I’m pro-choice…..

    I just don’t think it’s something to celebrate nor be allowed to go to this point.

  7. Cuomo Is widely disliked in New York state, among people of all political persuasions.

    He dismantled a commission that investigated corruption .

    He got the state legislature to name the new Tappan Zee Bridge after his own father, Something that Mario Cuomo would likely have disapproved of . The name Mario Cuomo bridge is Not views by very many, who still refer to it as the Tappan Zee bridge

    He thinks of himself as a potential president, which is complete bullshit , Even before today

  8. Is not used

  9. no I don’t think his father would be proud.

  10. I wasn’t a fan of Mario either but he would at least make an intellectual argument for his positions.

  11. We are embracing infanticide? Why? We have safe and easy birth control.

    It takes my breath away — this depraved indifference to life.

    Where have all our poets gone? What happened to us?

  12. “Us” meaning our contemporaries – New Yorkers, Americans, everybody

  13. scary times Patty

  14. Abortion is murder; it is as simple as that. There is no good pro choice, pro abortion, argument. One of the most important responsibilities of citizens is to protect all human beings. History will regard our age as barbaric.

  15. // One of the most important responsibilities of citizens is to protect all human beings.//

    Well, we’ve certainly failed there. More than half of all human conceptions die during the gestation phase and it has always been thus. That makes two million humans dying before birth each year in the US alone, and 70 million throughout the world p.a.

    Yet nobody seems to care much. Most people aren’t even aware of this continuing disaster.
    Why, it’s almost as if these deaths aren’t really considered human beings after all.

  16. Noel

    “Why, it’s almost as if these deaths aren’t really considered human beings after all.” That is a major problem. People brush off the reality of death of humans before birth as something with really silly arguments if they consider it at all. Many look at it as a purely medical issue when it an ethical issue; and the ethical takes priority over medical to any thoughtful person.

  17. Aborting a baby whose due date is in 2 weeks, or 2 days, is murder – no other way to look at this. And apparently, no medical license necessary to perform the abortions.

    I hate to be cynical but I believe the push for this late term abortion is money – the sell of baby body parts will earn abortionists and labs a lot of money.

    Planned Parenthood already monetizes aborted baby parts – this much we know.

  18. The man who did the videotaped expose of Planned Parenthood is facing felony charges in California and the media has effectively stifled his voice, saying the tapes were doctored.

    It is imperative to those who wish to engage in the abortion industry that critics be shut up.

    “My Body, My Choice” is hogwash for the masses.

  19. good comments Patty

  20. As with most things in life sensible compromise policies are needed. The “ All abortion is murder and should be banned” stance and the other end extremes such as this law are not the way to deal with this. My opinion is that Women should be able to safely legally terminate pregnancies up to an agreed early period term of say 18 or 20 weeks with the law only permitting terminations on very strict specific physical safety medical grounds later on.

    Others views will differ but one thing I would like to think we could all agree on is that this issue is too sensitive to be used for public celebration. It is extremely tacky marking any abortion legislation with displays of lighting up public buildings and landmarks. Not appropriate New York.

  21. hear hear

  22. Colm

    Humans are either dead or alive. There is no midway state so there can be no compromise.

    Some debate when human life begins, but the only logical position is at conception. Again, it is primarily an ethical matter and not determined by medical opinion. No civilized society should permit murder if some decide it is easy and convenient and dismiss personal responsibility especially in cases of where continuance of human life is concerned.

  23. New Yorker

    Such philosophical purity is fine to espouse from your irresponsible armchair keyboard but has no bearing on the reality of how women deal with becoming pregnant. You cannot force a woman to continue a pregnancy to completion if she does not want to unless you imprison her and force her to complete the gestation or are willing to jail thousands of women for life for “murdering” their unwanted embryos. Sensible and sensitive governance deals with practical reality not the fantasy of absolutist puritanical dictat.

  24. Colm

    We know how women become pregnant. Both men and women bear personal responsibility for it. If a woman is pregnant she should give birth to her baby and the man involved should also be held responsible. People should be held accountable for their actions. Creating new human life is a most serious matter. And, murder is murder. Since abortion is murder, those responsible should be charged with the same, that is, the pregnant woman and the man who made her pregnant.

    Many things are impractical, but we do them. It is impractical for the police to solve crimes, it would be easier and cheaper to overlook crime and chalk it up to ‘that’s the way things are’. It is impractical to put out house fires, it takes manpower and resources, it would be practical to just let the house burn down and build another one and that would make more economic sense as well.

    I don’t see what makes abortion so different from other types of murder. If you do, please explain. Good governance should uphold and enforce high ethical principles. And, preserving human life is probably the highest ethical principle.

    I don’t expect to see abortion cease anytime soon. Such major ethical improvements take much time, in the case of slavery it took thousands of years. But it is important that we have it as a goal and formulate a plan to realize it eventually. BTW, the practical aspects of abolishing slavery in the US greatly slowed its realization. Some great men such as Thomas Jefferson believed there should be no slavery but did not think it practical to bring it about. I think he used practicability as an excuse and one should always be careful not to let it be an excuse for doing what is right whatever the ethical principle.

  25. A respectable view NY, but impractical and impossible. The law can and should only be used to stop people carrying out unwanted actions against others, not what they do themselves . The law can no more eliminate abortion than it can homosexuality or prostitution or individual drug taking even though it has tried in those three cases for thousands of years to do so. If you feel it is immoral you should encourage and promote that opposition but the state cannot and should not force a woman to continue a pregnancy in her own body if she is determined not to.

  26. // No civilized society should permit murder if some decide it is easy and convenient and dismiss personal responsibility especially in cases of where continuance of human life is concerned.//

    But what about the 70 million unborn who die each year. They aren’t killed by abortion, but by nature, the bastard.
    And a lot of these deaths could be prevented, but civilised doesn’t care enough to prevent them, in fact doesn’t even care enough to be aware of this natural holocaust.

    One would be forgiven for assuming that civilised societies don’t even consider them to be people at all.
    But of course one a woman goes to an abortion clinic, then things get much clearer, do they not?

  27. Noel, people die of natural causes all the time, at all stages of life. That’s not a good reason for murder however.

    America had come to an unspoken agreement after 40 years since Roe v. Wade, that abortion was to be legal, safe,and RARE. New York has broken that agreement with this law that legalizes infanticide, as Mahons said himself.

    Killing a human being in the cytoblast or zygote stage is one thing. A few days before birth is quite another.

  28. In My View

    A woman has a right to choose. It is a choice between her and God or her conscience if you don’t believe in god. It should take place in the first 3 months only unless there is a REAL medical threat to the mother.

    Life begins at conception, it is a human being being built by either nature or gods chemical code from the instant the egg is fertilized it is a human being.

    Whenever you terminate that Human Being it’s Murder. A woman for her reasons and according to her moral justifications TO HERSELF she has the right to decide to kill that life in those first 3 months.

  29. Colm

    “The law can and should only be used to stop people carrying out unwanted actions against others, not what they do themselves .” The baby in the womb is another human being.

  30. PVR

    “Whenever you terminate that Human Being it’s Murder. A woman for her reasons and according to her moral justifications TO HERSELF she has the right to decide to kill that life in those first 3 months.” You are claiming people have the right to murder if they think they subjectively have convinced themselves they have moral justification. That leads to wholesale murder. Since I doubt you favor that outcome, prehaps you should reexamine the soundness of your position.

  31. Pat, could you check your mail please.

  32. New Yorker

    I thought they sentence would elicit that response from you. The embryo is not a seperate human being. It can develop into one but it isn’t at the early gestation stage. It does not live or survive other than being attached to the body of the mother. If the mother no longer wishes to continue to grow the pregnancy it can only be her decision. Yes she does have responsibilities and the longer the pregnancy goes on and the more independently viable the embryo becomes the more the law and civil society can take on its duty to protect the developing baby as well as respecting the needs of the mother but it’s a balancing process not an absolute unyielding dictat.

  33. Paul I’ll check

  34. You are claiming people have the right to murder if they think they subjectively have convinced themselves they have moral justification. That leads to wholesale murder. Since I doubt you favor that outcome, prehaps you should reexamine the soundness of your position.

    No I’m stating as a man and as a human being I have no right to JUDGE a Woman in those 3 months or when her life is truly in danger.

    That ONLY SHE and God can Judge her on that decision.

    My personal view is it’s murder and there is no reason to ever have an unwanted pregnancy except in the case of rape.

  35. The embryo is not a seperate human being

    Colm, that is just incorrect. The embryo has a different DNA sequence than the mother and my have a different blood type. Sure, at this point in science, it is not independently viable, but put you out in the cold with no coat, you wouldn’t be either!

  36. With technology very shortly we can create and gestate a child outside of a woman entirely. When we do so what of those Lives are they Human? Are they Less Than? Are they Slaves?

    We are closer to these questions than you think…..

    You must learn to read everything.

    https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/04/06/artificial-uterus-close-reality/

  37. Colm

    You are simply wrong. What you call an embryo and I call a baby is a separate human life. The issue is life and we know the baby first has life at conception because that is when it begins to grow. As Charles says above, independent viability is a spurious argument. Some people look after elderly parents who are totally dependent on them, do they have the right to murder them?

    Abortion is murder, plain and simple. You have not made an acceptable argument that it is not.

  38. PVR

    “No I’m stating as a man and as a human being I have no right to JUDGE a Woman in those 3 months or when her life is truly in danger.” You are a citizen and should support protection of all human life. A woman is a member of society and does not have a right to murder just because she is a woman. Gender has nothing to do with it. If you think it has something to do with it, please explain. I hope you are not henpecked!

  39. henpecked…..No godbless Monica she puts up with me…… it’s more like tolerated after 30yrs of mutual love and torture…

    NYr for as long as the species has existed a woman has had the ability to end her pregnancy in the first 3 mths. No laws can change that.

    Some woman make that choice they always have and they always will. Today if they do it doesn’t have to cost them risking their lives or ability to later give birth.

    If you feel morally capable of judging everywoman in history past present and future to eternal hell for that decision, well you’re a more righteous man than I.

    The first 3 mths it’s none of our business after that it should be forbidden unless the mother will definitely die.

    Colm

    It’s a Human Being the INSTANT the sperm unites with the egg.

  40. PVR

    “NYr for as long as the species has existed a woman has had the ability to end her pregnancy in the first 3 mths. No laws can change that.” I think the three month belief was before modern science when we knew little about the whole process. Now we know better and know what happens at conception. The three month belief was erroneous and should have no bearing on the matter in the present. People once had a belief than leeching brought about health, but with modern science we learned better. The same goes for the three month belief, it should be discarded and have no merit.

    I believe men and women are equal and neither has the right to commit murder. If a man finds another person inconveniences him or alters his plans, he has no right to murder him. Same for women and unborn babies. Whether they go to hell or not is beyond my place to say. However, I can say they have committed murder and it should be treated as any other murder. In the real world, I suppose it would not be implemented immediately but that should eventually be the case.

    “No laws can change that.” Of course, law can change that, we make new laws often. Detection and prosecution of the crime should not be too difficult.

    “The first 3 mths it’s none of our business.” Why is it none of our business when murder is committed? Is it your business if some pervert snuffs out a child?

  41. NYr are tech exists as I say that we can do the whole process outside the womb, and I say it’s a human at conception so I agree it’s murder……. do I condone abortion during the first 3 mths ? No I don’t There is no excuse for a woman to get pregnant with today’s chemistry.

    “No laws can change that.” Of course, law can change that, we make new laws often. Detection and prosecution of the crime should not be too difficult.

    I must ask are you going to monitor the sexual habits of every woman on earth? Your baseline is conception same as mine, so ANY termination other than the bodies own rejection after that point you Judge as Murder and propose Detection and prosecution well to do that you have to monitor and check every woman each time she has intercourse with in the first 24hrs….

    How do you propose to get the Women to comply ? Most woman don’t show until after 8-10 weeks of gestation.

    There is only one way to enact your morality on the species. 1) all abortion is made illegal and the only way to prevent it from going back to back ally doctors and midwives with potions and hangers is to mandatory monitor every vagina on the planet so that the second part your mandatory testing of conception is performed in that first 24hrs after intercourse….. Good Luck

    The psychological damage a woman who makes that choice no matter the reason even if it’s to save her own life it devastates a woman and they’re scarred deeper than any punishment you could ever impose on them and you have no right to you are neither god nor the keeper of half the species.

    Pray for both their souls NYr the mother and the child and do your best to teach your moral standard to your children so they never are placed in a position to make that choice.

  42. I think this is an argument in danger of repeating itself now so rather than reiterate my views let me just add a clarification. I accept the biological fact that at the moment of conception a human life is formed , my reference to when it should be legally considered a human being was my view of how the law should treat it as a seperate entity. This isn’t a matter of scientific facts but just my opinion.

  43. //at the moment of conception a human life is formed , my reference to when it should be legally considered a human being was my view //

    Nobody considers it a human being from the moment of conception. Some pretend they do, but that’s either just for the sake of argument, theology or sentimentality.

  44. Nobody considers it a human being from the moment of conception. Some pretend they do, but that’s either just for the sake of argument, theology or sentimentality.

    so when did you develop this ability to know what others believe or not Noel?

    I’m Pro-Choice and I DO believe it is a human being the instant of conception before the first cells divide…. and being PRO-CHOICE that does not help my argument for supporting safe abortions in the first 3 months at all……..

  45. Which came first.The Human or the Egg ? 🙂

  46. the DNA……

  47. Presuming there is a God. Who created God. How did God come into existence ?

    Now there’s a question to tax the brilliant minds of our esteemed ATW gang 🙂

  48. Everything that has a beginning has a cause, or creator. B happened because A happened. Or A created B etc…

    God has no beginning or end. As such He has no cause or creator.

  49. PVR

    “I must ask are you going to monitor the sexual habits of every woman on earth?”. The crime is abortion, not intercourse. To be clear, the detection and prosecution is of the crime which is abortion.

    My position is that as a society we agree that abortion is murder. I said I don’t think it should be implemented now but a plan for its eventual implemention should be made that begins some time in the future. Such a proposed ethical improvement is huge and might to some extent follow the model that led to outlawing slavery, first there is discussion over several years then legislation is proposed.

    “I’m Pro-Choice and I DO believe it is a human being the instant of conception before the first cells divide…. and being PRO-CHOICE that does not help my argument for supporting safe abortions in the first 3 months at all……..” That is exactly why I questioned the soundness of your argument earlier. It contains a contradiction.

  50. Noel

    “Nobody considers it a human being from the moment of conception. Some pretend they do, but that’s either just for the sake of argument, theology or sentimentality.” I will be kind and assume you are making a joke because billions of people does not equal nobody.

  51. Seamus

    “God has no beginning or end. As such He has no cause or creator.” Well stated. Aquinas ably made this argument. I also like Aristotle’s phrase “Unmoved Mover”.

  52. That is exactly why I questioned the soundness of your argument earlier. It contains a contradiction.

    It’s not a contradiction, it’s an unhappy acknowledgment that you can not prevent abortions from being committed.

    If you make abortion totally illegal it just goes back to the blackmarket and all the horrors that come with that.

    First 3 months no further unless the life of the mother is in jeopardy.

  53. Mmmm

  54. There is a Horror Story that was just released that everyone on both sides of the argument should take the time to watch.

    http://www.gosnellmovie.com/

  55. PVR

    “First 3 months no further unless the life of the mother is in jeopardy.” And, ” I DO believe it is a human being the instant of conception before the first cells divide”. The contradiction is that it is a human being from conception but you approve of killing it in the first 3 months: Either that is a contradiction or you approve of murdering human beings; and, since I doubt you approve of murdering human beings, I concluded there was a contradiction.

  56. I don’t approve I accept the fact that there is nothing society can do to prevent a woman from having an abortion…..

    So it must be controlled.

    People are horrible creatures NYr they do horrible things to themselves and each other.

  57. “People are horrible creatures NYr they do horrible things to themselves and each other.”

    That is generally true. And the law is there to prevent people from doing so or to punish them when the do. We can’t stop women having abortions but then we can’t seem to stop rape, or murder, or paedophilia. Should we legalise them?