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He’s Making A List

By Mahons On January 29th, 2019

I have often wondered if singer Michael Bolton would be a better advisor than Trump’s actual advisor John Bolton. A man who sings bad versions of soul classics over a man with no soul. At least Michael Bolton can recall basic lyrics without needing a legal pad.

John Bolton’s odd behavior usually involves things he’s said. This week it was something he wrote, on a legal pad, held by him like a deranged shopping list and observed by the medis. A two sentence list that 1. welcomed talks in Afghanistan (not controversial) and 2. Indicated 5000 troops to Columbia (a WTF entry).
Was the reveal intentional? Is he sending some weird signal to foes in Venezuela? Is he part of a war fantasy club? Has cursive become extinct?

Bolton never saw a war he didnt like, except for Vietnam where he managed to avoid service, not wanting to “die in a rice paddy” in his words. But other wars he loves, especially since he wont be going himself. Columbian officials were not aware of any such plans, and even with their 1300 miles border with Venezuela havent asked for any such help. The White House crptically responded all options are on the table which is government speak for no one has any idea what option might work.

I dont think there is much enthusiasm here for the deployment of troops to South America. Why Bolton would need to write such things down (does he have a note on his shoes “put feet in”) and/or hold them out for people to see is unknown. It could have read “pick up dry cleaning”, “fish sticks tonight” or “get milk”. The only real conclusion is when odd guys are in public places they do odd things.

160 Responses to “He’s Making A List”

  1. the note pad also had a marking on it that those were number 3 options…. imagine what one or 2 were…..

    We have several bases in Columbia dropping 5000 troops there would go almost unnoticed.

    Maduro has threatened our embassy should we wait till Ambassador is being dragged dead through the streets while the President sleeps…..like Libya or should we be ready to react?

  2. This Trump fellow is a real hippy – making love, not war. Now he’s even humming “If I could talk to the Taliban”. Patrick, you must be VERY disappointed in him. If the felon Hillary had been elected, she’d probably have started 3 good wars by now.

    I doubt if Trump has any inclination to grab the Venuzuela regime by the pussy. He’s probably too mesmerised by the energy shown by Mueller in draining the swamp.

  3. The movement of 5000 troops to a foreign nation would go as unnoticed as Stormy Daniels at the Trump Family Thanksgiving dinner. I’m no security expert, but revealing both the numbers and destination to the world on a yellow note pad is not what one would term clandestine.

  4. Noel

    Trump could try to unilaterally pull the US out of NATO, shut down the government for a year, send military aid to North Korea, the usual suspects would all jump up and down and shriek what masterstrokes these were.

  5. Noel the Taliban are cave and mountain dwelling inbred Hillbillies we’ve killed enough to make the point and they understand that depending on our mood and who’s in office we can kill a few million more if we want….. but no one’s ever going to change who they are… time to come home and gear up to kill some more ijits that really don’t understand how deadly an enemy the US is if it focuses on you.

    Hillary would fight the clintons love to pull the trigger especially if it benefits them….

    The fates willing and the Persians keep fu**ing with the Jews we can finally focus on the heart of the Problem the Blood Cult in Tehran.

  6. revealing both the numbers and destination to the world on a yellow note pad is not what one would term clandestine.

    you really think it was accidental…….

  7. I spoke of Holbrooke yesterday.

    He spoke of talking with the Taliban around 2009 or so.

    His thinking being that it was not possible to defeat them, for many reasons, and because the Afghan government was so completely corrupt.

    He had made similar observations as a young man in South Vietnam, where he saw that corrupt government up close and personal.

    You can say a lot of bad things about the Viet Cong and Taliban, but they were/are vastly more honest than the US backed governments that they fought. They were/are highly motivated, the governments, not so much.

  8. Negotiating with the Taliban and with North Korea are high risk but correct moves.

    The hypocritical Trump cabal would be screaming with rage if a Democrat had done any of these things, yes, but these are still risks worth the taking.

    And the moves against the monstrously incompetent and ruinous Venezuelan government may also be correct.

  9. //The hypocritical Trump cabal would be screaming with rage if a Democrat had done any of these things, yes//

    Quice.
    But because it’s Trump that’s doing it they obediently swallow the bitter pill and stay quiet.

  10. I don’t think it’s even that.

    If Trump does something, they just assume that it’s correct action.

    There’s just no thought process to it.

    Anything that Obama or Hillary did was assumed to be wrong, anything that Trump does is assumed to be correct.

    There was and is no critical thought at any time. ATW is a detailed repository of such thought, if you even call it that.

  11. No it’s a matter of stance….

    Obama was an appeaser, where Trump believes in force.

    That’s the difference. Bill Clinton was an appeaser his talks with NK gave them the ability to move forward with their nuke research.

  12. Hmmmm… looks like you’re right, Phantom.

  13. Obama/Clinton used force against Khadaffi

    Which in hindsight was a very bad decision, for America, for the region, for Europe.

    Obama started the US intervention in Syria. Trump proposes to leave, with ISIS down but not out.

    Obama was probably more a believer in force than Trump was. He just didn’t run around all day saying that had more military knowledge than the generals did, etc.

  14. Obama was an appeaser that led to the formation of ISIS and the levant, he gave weapons to ISIS terrorists in Syria with the help of John McCain Hillary Clinton and Erdogan funneling them illegally through benghazi getting our ambassador killed… He guaranteed the Persians would get nukes and gave them CASH to refund their Terror supply lines.

    and I could go on…..

  15. No.

  16. YES…. name one thing I said that isn’t true.

  17. “Obama was an appeaser that led to the formation of ISIS and the levant”

    ISIS was formed in 1999, and grew to prominence in 2003 following the Bush invasion.

    “he gave weapons to ISIS terrorists in Syria with the help of John McCain Hillary Clinton and Erdogan funneling them illegally through”

    No he didn’t.

    “He guaranteed the Persians would get nukes”

    No he didn’t.

    ” gave them CASH to refund their Terror supply lines.”

    As part of the deal of Iran ending their nuclear program Iran was given back its own money.

    “and I could go on…..”

    Please do. With evidence this time.

  18. There is evidence to back everyone of my statements up.

    You are of an appeasement ideology Seamus. It’s part of who you were.

    Yes ISIS was the JV team until Hillary & McCain armed them in Syria with our weaponry. That’s what the Benghazi operation was, and Obama A) had no authority to release that money, and B) under American Law to make payments like that in CASH is illegal.

    His Iranian deal GUARANTEED in writing they could have a fully operational nuke industry in ten years….

  19. It’s part of who you are, not were…..

  20. “There is evidence to back everyone of my statements up.”

    Then provide it.

    “had no authority to release that money”

    “American Law to make payments like that in CASH is illegal.”

    What law?

    “had no authority to release that money”

    In what way did he have no authority to do so? He is the Chief Executive, it appears to have been an Executive action. As such he is able to do it.

    “Yes ISIS was the JV team until Hillary & McCain armed them in Syria with our weaponry”

    Nonsense. ISIS was the main insurgent group in Iraq following the Invasion in 2003. Also where did Hillary, McCain and all your other pet hates give them weaponry.

  21. The fake president said that Hillary founded ISIS, and these jamokes believe it.

    You could make a lot of money selling stuff to rubes like this.

  22. Bolton like turnip and a long line of Republicans are nothing but chickenhawks

  23. What’s the temp up there EP?

  24. Correct

    They are so tough But when their country called for them To serve in the military, they refused

  25. Charles with the wind chill it’s – 50 but it’s only really -34

  26. EP, I can’t imagine such cold! It’s 40F here and I’m freezing lol. Stay safe!

  27. Keep your freezing Canadian air up there, buster

  28. Patrick – I have a way the ATW may be more helpful to you. Instead of just typing the wrong things that you wish were true why not just type questions about things you don’t know about and Seamus will provide you with answers.

  29. Whatever the genesis of ISIS it is of paramount importance to keep after them until every last one is eliminated. Trump’s Syria withdrawal statements were a serious blunder. He should keep his big mouth shut on policy. ISIS is an enemy and he telegraphed US intentions to them and there were bloody consequences.

  30. so Phantom you deny that our ambassador died in benghazi because he was the bagman in the arms sales to the Syrian rebels?

    You mean like Obama’s deadlines in Iraq NRr…. his telegraphing and abandoning didn’t do the same thing in your view?

    Why not?

  31. NYr

  32. We have several bases in Columbia

    we can kill a few million more if we want…..

    “We”?? – who exactly is this ‘we’? This ‘we’ seems to have bases in every country ‘for our protection’ yet the US border is so insecure that it attracts all of the flies of central America. It certainly isn’t you or any other American here, and as for…….

    the monstrously incompetent and ruinous Venezuelan government

    a) it’s THEIR government and b) it’s no more incompetent or ruinous than the system of government which can run up a debt of $22,000,000,000,000

    http://www.usdebtclock.org/

  33. Obama’s deadlines in Iraq had been set by GW Bush. You may have heard of him.

    It was an international treaty signed by the US and Iraq. It was in all the papers, and it has been mentioned here before.

  34. “so Phantom you deny that our ambassador died in benghazi because he was the bagman in the arms sales to the Syrian rebels?”

    Accusations have been made that there was arms being sent to Syria in a CIA operation via the Benghazi consulate when Christopher Stevens was murdered. Those accusations tend to be thin on the facts.

    I think there is also a major stretch, so much a stretch that it is a lie, to be arguing that supplying Syrian rebels means supplying ISIS.

  35. Seamus

    Correct. Allan Patrick is engaging in conspiracies again.

  36. Pat, mail please.

  37. PVR

    “You mean like Obama’s deadlines in Iraq NRr”. No. As Phantom said the deadline was set before Obama was President.

    Do you agree Trump’s statements on Syrian withdrawal were a serious blunder? And, had bloody consequences?

  38. Dems pick Sore Loser to give State of the Union rebuttal

    https://www.ajc.com/news/state–regional-govt–politics/abrams-deliver-dems-state-the-union-response/2Oo3TTBaQB8OMaRNhBoc9L/

  39. Do you agree Trump’s statements on Syrian withdrawal were a serious blunder? And, had bloody consequences?

    Yes

    and Phantom is wrong.

  40. She is a poor choice for the rebuttal.

  41. She got 48.8%. And she’s a sore loser. Meanwhile the guy actually giving the main speech got 46.1%. If 49% makes you a sore loser what does 46% make you?

  42. Madame Speaker has learned from her last appearance to delegate the task to an underling. A failed candidate for the Georgia statehouse is about as under as you can get.

    I agree with Mahons. She’s a poor choice.

  43. It is pandering. She does not hold elective office. A poor choice.

  44. It’s also another move done with spite….. Chuck and Nancy aren’t helping themselves.

  45. Trump may pay her 130k to keep silent.

    What the Demo should really do is play Trump’s own prior contradictory statements in rebuttal.

  46. lol

  47. PVT

    Thanks. I’m glad we agree. Today (Tue) McConnell attacked Trump on Syrian withdrawal, he probably senses Trump is weakened. Politics can be a rough business.

  48. Never announce things like that and Trump brings half his grief on himself.

  49. He seems to make a habit of publicly undermining US intelligence agencies:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47061509

  50. He is the Manchurian candidate.

    Really.

  51. The intelligence agencies were kind to Trump yesterday. They said nothing about Trump’s “national emergency” on the Mexican border. They could have said we see no threat that warrants the use of US troops. The subject was not mentioned, but it should have been. Trump claims there is a threat on the border that he might deem a “national emergency. Perhaps out of politeness they kept quiet. It was a noteworthy omission.

  52. Perhaps out of politeness they kept quiet.

    Also, perhaps they are in agreement.

  53. Charles

    They were giving a report on all threats to the US and if in agreement would have includes it if they considered it serious threat. But not a word.

  54. The intelligence agencies shouldn’t be commenting on anything in public or in open testimony, that is the nature of why they exist.

    No public statements period. Now that being said……

    It is a National Emergency when 60-80 THOUSAND depending on your source Americans are dying a year from an illegal product that’s sale supplies the family income to the leaders of every country on the other side of that border.

    It’s called a drug war and it claims more Americans in a year than the Vietnam War did in 16yrs 9mths.

    The Vietnam War lasted from November 1955 to April 1975 (19 years and 4 months) when the Northern Vietnamese party took Saigon.

    US forces were involved from November 1955 to August 1973 (16 years and 9 months).

    I’d call that many dead Americans a National Emergency….. but that’s just me.

  55. According to the U.S. Department of Defense and Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund, which maintain official statistics on the number of casualties, 58,307 American military personnel died in or as a direct result of the Vietnam War.

    and it took 16.9 years…. we’ve been fighting the war on terror for 18yrs and only 5,913 U.S military members have died in the war on on terror.

    But 60-80 Thousand each year caused by an open border….. no problem… F those people right?

  56. on the bright side of life we’re all gonna die…. Phantom worries about assembly line robots… this is what I worry about.

    Scientists invent ‘self-aware’ robot that operates ON ITS OWN and able to REPAIR ITSELF

    SCIENTISTS have created a self-aware robot capable of operating on its own without any instructions, in a major scientific breakthrough.
    By LATIFA YEDROUDJ

    PUBLISHED: 22:52, Wed, Jan 30, 2019 | UPDATED: 23:00, Wed, Jan 30, 2019

    Engineers at Columbia University, in New York, have reached a pinnacle in robotics inventions, inventing a mechanical arm able to programme itself – even after it is malfunctioned. Professor Hod Lipson, who leads the Creative Machines lab, where the research was carried out, likened the robotic arm to how a “newborn child” adapts to their environment and learns things on its own. The group of scientists claimed this is the first time a robot has shown the ability to “imagine itself” and work out its purpose, figuring out how to operate without inbuilt mechanics. In the study, published in the journal Science Robotics, Prof Lipson said: “This is perhaps what a newborn child does in its crib, as it learns what it is.

    “We conjecture that this advantage may have also been the evolutionary origin of self-awareness in humans.

    “While our robot’s ability to imagine itself is still crude compared to humans, we believe that this ability is on the path to machine self-awareness.”

    The mechanical arm was designed with no knowledge of physics, geometry or dynamics.

    After spending around 35 hours moving at random, the mechanism was able to grasp intensive computing knowledge and figure out its capabilities.

    Shortly after the mechanical arm was able to construct its own biomechanics, allowing it to cleverly pick up and drop objects.

    The robot also performed other tasks such as writing using a marker.

    The researchers printed a 3D-deformed part to simulate a damaged part, to see if the robot was able to detect the fault and adapt its mechanics.

    The arm was able to detect the malfunction, and retrained its system to continue performing tasks despite the damaged part.

    The authors have warned: “Self-awareness will lead to more resilient and adaptive systems, but also implies some loss of control.

    “It’s a powerful technology, but it should be handled with care.”

    However, some scientists have claimed robots will never be able to develop their own intelligence as complex as humans.

    Speaking at the Hay Festival of Literature and Arts, Dr Nigel Shadbolt, professor of computer science at Oxford University, said: “Does AI threaten humanity? Certainly anything you see in Hollywood portrays it that way. They are usually mad, bad and dangerous to know. Essentially, you don’t want to get too close to them.

    “But this is to misunderstand where the real problem lies. It is not artificial intelligence that should terrify you, it is natural stupidity.”

    yeah the natural stupidity and arrogance of academics…..

  57. PVR

    The argument is over. The majority does not believe in Trump’s wall and don’t buy the immigrants are responsible for the drug epidemic argument. Move on to another issue.

  58. so you believe F those people……… you’ll weep for the unborn but damn the weak among us to die from addiction….

    That’s a very selective morality you’re practicing.

    You can’t stop a single abortion, but even if a wall only cut supply enough that 10% less would die that would be 6,000 Lives saved…. but F**k em they’re addicts let them die.

    What are the lives of 6000 junkies compared to denying a Wall because Trump wants it. In your morality it’s time to Move on to another issue.

  59. PVR

    “You can’t stop a single abortion, but even if a wall only cut supply enough that 10% less would die that would be 6,000 Lives saved…. ” What evidence is there that Trump’s wall would cut the supply even 1%? Reports state that drugs are coming through legal ports of entry. At the El Chapo trial it came out his gang used legal ports of entry. Money would be better spent on detection at legal ports of entry.

  60. NY

    Correct.

    And, as noted, there’s a plentiful supply of illegal drugs for those who want them in both Ireland and the the UK mainland.

    Two islands, neither which has a land border with Mexico.

    IMO there is an illegal alien suppression argument to be made for the wall, but the illegal drugs argument is weak.

  61. The US uses opioids at a vastly higher rate than does Pakistan, even though Pakistan is right next door to Afghanistan, where illegal opium poppies are widely grown.

    If the linked figures are right, the rate of use in the US is 23790% higher in the US than in Pakistan.

    Pakistan has heroin addicts, but the US has a population drugged up on prescription drugs also.

    Maybe we need to build walls around doctors offices here.

  62. 40,000 people died in 2017 from gun deaths. Surely a President would be in his rights to declare a national emergency to get rid of guns?

  63. Heroin doesn’t kill people. People kill heroin. Or something. Whatever Trump says, I’m sure he’s right.

  64. That’s nonsense…. it is not logical, but logic does not enter this debate.

    The 5.7 Billion includes more agents, more detection at ports of entry AND the wall. It gives you the things you want, but then you want to leave the side door to your house wide open.

    It is idiocy to believe that the majority of drugs come through the ports of entry….

    I have a million dollars worth of dope gee I think I’ll bring it through where all the cops and dogs are rather than just walk across here where there is no wall, no cops, and no dogs.

    The Democrats have voted 5 times in favor of a Wall, but now it’s useless….. Why?

  65. “It is idiocy to believe that the majority of drugs come through the ports of entry….”

    So are US Law Enforcement idiots?

  66. Seamus, on January 31st, 2019 at 4:41 PM Said:
    40,000 people died in 2017 from gun deaths. Surely a President would be in his rights to declare a national emergency to get rid of guns?

    The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. They are welcome to try. Come collect them……

  67. A million dollars worth of heroin is a tiny part of the overall flow to a cartel.

    They know that some of it will be caught, and confiscated. Cost of doing business.

    While the rest that is not detected rolls right on through in one of the 1.4 million trucks that cross the border every year

    I don’t oppose the wall. But the anti drugs / anti terrorism arguments for it are weak.

  68. So why pretend to care about the drug deaths when there is no concern for the gun deaths?

  69. “The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. They are welcome to try. Come collect them……”

    But 40,000 people die every year. You believe that because 60,000 people die that the President is able to suspend the constitution (in certain areas) and do what he likes. Then surely 40,000 people dying every year means a President is allowed to do the same in terms of guns.

  70. “So why pretend to care about the drug deaths when there is no concern for the gun deaths?”

    Because he’s a gun addict, not a drug addict.

  71. So are US Law Enforcement idiots?

    No, but according to the spin that you guys are pushing they’re incompetent.

    Over 90% of the drugs come across the Mexican border 200 Billion Dollars worth of drugs just flows through right under their noses at the ports of entry……

    Sorry I don’t buy it.

  72. The NRA and its zombies are much more of a threat to public safety than the cartels are.

    The junkies are killing themselves as a result of their own actions, the gun morons are killing other people for the most part

  73. Guns save lives….

  74. “Over 90% of the drugs come across the Mexican border 200 Billion Dollars worth of drugs just flows through right under their noses at the ports of entry……”

    No spin from us. It is in the official DEA reports.

    “Guns save lives….”

    Half of all gun deaths on the planet occur in six countries. Your’s is one of them. Guns don’t save lives. They take them at an alarming rate.

  75. No you are saying that they are incompetent

    It is not possible to stop the flow when the drugged up Americans want their fix of illegal drugs.

    Notice the Trumpers never talk about stopping demand.

    Every word, every day, parroting their lord and master

  76. over 80% of the crime in the US is drug related and other than suicide 99% of the gun deaths are drug related.

  77. Notice the Trumpers never talk about stopping demand.

    Pure bullshit….. I have repeatedly said that the Government should provide free 90day Drug Rehab on demand for all that want help.

  78. There are over 2.4 million incidents where people use guns defensively each year, there could be as many as 400,000 lives saved.

  79. What part of the government

    Based on your vast knowledge, how many people would be needed to perform the new services, and how much would it cost.

    Be as specific as you like

  80. Ah an uncited and unverified quote from nowhere.

  81. “There are over 2.4 million incidents where people use guns defensively each year, there could be as many as 400,000 lives saved.”

    Which is insane. It is based on research by a guy called Gary Kleck. His respondants said that 1/6th of the time that a person uses a gun they think they are saving a life. So the result just uses 1/6th of the 2.4 million incidents where someone uses a gun.

    In reality the overwhelming majority of violent crime (the sort of crime one may respond to with a gun) does not result in a homicide. Kleck’s own research shows that only 0.35% of violent crimes end in a homicide. So, assuming (probably incorrectly) that those 2.4 million incidents prevented a violent crime, extrapolation would suggest they saved 8,400 lives, not 400,000.

  82. ” The government should have no role in health care “.

    Drug rehab most certainly is health care.

  83. So in terms of saved lifes, versus cost lives, guns are -31,600.

  84. No new government agency would be needed all they have to do is write the check distribute them from the federal welfare grants…. there are plenty of rehabs.

    For those requiring 60- or 90-day programs, the total average of costs could range anywhere from $12,000 to $60,000.

  85. How much? And what welfare programmes are you diverting the funds from? What happens to the people already in those welfare programmes? And are welfare programmes not set up by legislation (meaning that the US Government can’t just divert funds to and from them) – which is why they are entitlements and not discretionary spending?

  86. There are not enough rehab facilities, not even close.

    People die in places like West Virginia while they wait for a place in the rehab facility.

    No estimate of the cost for the country I see.

    For a vast ( and good ) new services which your fake president has never proposed.

  87. He pulled it out of his anus

    He has no idea what this would cost

  88. Fuck you Phantom……..

    Learn to do a google search….. The cost of rehab has a huge range of varying prices depending on the amenities. $12,000 to $60,000 per person….

    I’ve worked in the field and I still volunteer in the field, Do you?

  89. 60,000 addicts at $60,000 a person is 3.6 Billion…. Less than half of one percent of the federal budget.

  90. This is as rough as they come. But based on simple extrapolation:

    Estimates, based on the drugabuse.gov numbers, are that nearly 9 million drug addicts in the United States. Every year maybe another 675,000 add in (based on new addicts – extrapolated from the number of addicts in the 18-25 bracket), taking out the 0.8% of active drug addicts who will die from their habit. Addiction treatment is about 50% successful, meaning year-on-year 50% of addicts get clean. So the numbers would stabilise at about 1.5 million active addicts in about 10 years. So the 10 year cost (before stabilisation), assuming $60,000 per programme (and no additional overheads in terms of managing it – which won’t be the case) and you get $1.7 trillion over 10 years, with an additional spend of $80 billion every year afterwards.

  91. a little list of where we could get the money from……..

    Last week, Ms. Pelosi stated that it is now impossible to cut any additional spending out of the budget. Impossible!

    I thought it would be amusing to look at some of the items that she, and many others in our capital, feels are too important to cut out of our budget.

    The government spends about $100 million every four years to subsidize parties at the political conventions.
    The Department of Agriculture spent $2 million to fund an internship program. The program hired one full-time intern.
    Last year, $120 million was paid to dead federal employees.
    A total of $146 million was paid for federal employees to upgrade their flights to business class.
    The government spent $2.6 million to encourage Chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly.
    The Department of Health and Human Services provided an $800,000 subsidy to build and IHop in Washington, D.C.
    The National Institutes of Health has given $1.5 million to Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston to study why “three-quarters” of lesbians in the United States are overweight and why most gay males are not.
    During 2012, $25,000 of federal money was spent on a promotional tour for the Alabama Watermelon Queen.
    The U.S. government spent $505,000 “to promote specialty hair and beauty products for cats and dogs” last year.
    NASA spends close to $1 million per year developing a menu of food for a manned mission to Mars even though it is being projected that a manned mission to Mars is still decades away.
    Over the past 15 years, a total of approximately $5.25 million has been spent on hair care services for the U.S. Senate.
    The U.S. government spent $27 million to teach Moroccans how to design and make pottery in 2012.
    During fiscal 2012, the National Science Foundation gave researchers at Purdue University $350,000. They used part of that money to help fund a study that discovered that if golfers imagine that a hole is bigger it will help them with their putting.
    A total of $10,000 of U.S. taxpayer money was actually used to purchase talking urinal cakes in Michigan.
    Vice President Joe Biden and his staff stopped in Paris for one night back in February. The hotel bill for that one night came to $585,000.
    The U.S. Department of Agriculture has spent $300,000 to encourage Americans to eat caviar produced in Idaho.
    The National Institute of Health recently gave $666,905 to a group of researchers that is conducting a study on the benefits of watching reruns on television.
    The National Institute of Health also spent $592,527 on a study that sought to figure out once and for all why chimpanzees throw poop.
    The federal government spent $750,000 on a new soccer field for detainees held at Guantanamo Bay.
    The IRS spent $60,000 on a film parody of Star Trek and a film parody of Gilligan’s Island.
    Last year, the federal government spent $96,000 to buy iPads for kindergarten students in Maine.
    The U.S. government spent $200,000 on “a tattoo removal program” in Mission Hills, Calif.
    Last year, the government spent just under $1 million posting snippets of poetry in zoos around the country.
    The U.S. Air Force Office of Scientific Research spent $300,000 on a study that concluded the first bird on Earth probably had black feathers.
    The federal government spent $75,000 to promote awareness about the role Michigan plays in producing Christmas trees and poinsettias.
    And this list could go on and on and on.

  92. There are many more than 60,000 drug addicts in the United States

    You’re just making this stuff up

    You have said repeatedly that the government has no role in healthcare

    But now you have done a 180, And want a federal take over of the rehab industry

    Fake

  93. The Staggering Costs, Monetary and Otherwise, of Substance Abuse
    A new report from the Surgeon General says the country spends $442 billion a year in dealing with drug and alcohol abuse.

  94. I only used the avg number of those that are dying from heroin overdose a year 60,0000

  95. Free rehab for all who need it would involve an enormous amount of money and significantly more trained personnel and facilities than we have at present.

    I would support something like this, and would be willing to pay more tax to fund it. It would not be cheap or easy to do. But it would be the right thing to do.

  96. then why are you fighting me on it?

  97. “I only used the avg number of those that are dying from heroin overdose a year 60,0000”

    And how do you pre-identify the 60,000 people who are going to die this year from drugs? In reality you can’t. So the only way you can prevent it is to treat all drug addicts (of whom there are about 9,00,000).

  98. “then why are you fighting me on it?”

    Because if someone else proposed a (conservatively estimated) $1.7 trillion (the overwhelming majority of which would come in the first year – $530 billion) expansion of federal healthcare intervention you’d normally be the first to complain.

  99. Because you’ve said that the federal government should have no role in health care and you are now proposing an extremely massive federal government expansion of healthcare

    And I don’t necessarily agree with your approach at all – why should the federal govt pay it all, why shouldn’t the states be required to do a lot more than they do now

    And why no criticism of the fake president who is wanting a ( bad ) solution to the supply problem and not doing one thing on the demand side of it, which is the only way to solve anything.

  100. It’s my pet issue…….

    and identifying those on the path to death is actually very easy…. it’s getting them to want help that’s the problem. Not identifying them.

  101. “and identifying those on the path to death is actually very easy”

    Easy for government to identify them (so that they can target spending towards them)?

  102. The federal debt and deficit are both increasing, not decreasing, thanks to the tax cuts.

    If there is to be a truly massive increase in spending, where will the money come from?

  103. Phantom I have on this site agreed with you about a safetynet, unemployment, welfare, medicade etc rehab falls into safetynet category.

  104. The federal debt and deficit are both increasing, not decreasing, thanks to the tax cuts.

    Government revenue intake in 2018 broke all records thanks to the Tax Cuts, Spending is the problem. Not Tax revenue.

  105. Seamus, on January 31st, 2019 at 5:45 PM Said:
    “and identifying those on the path to death is actually very easy”

    Easy for government to identify them (so that they can target spending towards them)?

    Not the Government the NA/AA community can identify them as can families. The government can’t do it.

  106. The increase in revenues is slower than in previous years. It’s a problem.

    https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

    Yet another broken promise

    As a candidate, Donald Trump promised to get rid of the entire national debt “over a period of eight years.” When this promise was made, the national debt stood at $19 trillion; it has since risen to $21.7 trillion. In the fiscal year ending September 30, it grew by $779 billion, up 17 percent from $666 billion in fiscal 2017. This year, after the Trump tax cuts take full effect, another $1 trillion worth of government IOUs will be issued.

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/irwin-m-stelzer/national-debt-under-trump-rises-to-21-7-trillion

  107. Block Grant the money to the states for Private Rehabs.

  108. There aren’t enough facilities and the cost would be immense

    And you’re letting the states pay nothing

  109. How much money

  110. 10 Billion divided by 50.

    And if the money was there plenty of facilities would open.

  111. Oh for gods sake

  112. What? why for gods sake?

  113. “10 Billion divided by 50.”

    Which would pay, potentially, for about 165,000 places. What about the other 8 and half million people?

  114. Yes and Wyoming should get the same as California

    Since ” they’re both states “

    Excellent comedy.

  115. Seamus

    Do you know how hard it is to convince an addict to go to rehab? 165,000 free 90day inhouse rehab slots would save 30,000 lives.

  116. Phantom, on January 31st, 2019 at 6:04 PM Said:
    Yes and Wyoming should get the same as California

    Since ” they’re both states “

    Excellent comedy.

    Actually California shouldn’t get any money….. as long as it’s a Sanctuary state and neither should NY since NYC is already providing free healthcare for everyone 😉

  117. NYC will pay to kill an unborn child up until the moment of birth, but what it won’t spend a dime to save a life…….

  118. Wrong yet again

    Your error rate approaches 100%

  119. an abortion costs $800, there were 43 Million abortions last year that cost 34.4 BILLION on death but 10 billion to save lives is to much……… ?

  120. “Do you know how hard it is to convince an addict to go to rehab? 165,000 free 90day inhouse rehab slots would save 30,000 lives.”

    Treating less than 2% of drug addicts will save 50% of the lives lost? Bollocks.

  121. “Million abortions last year that cost 34.4 BILLION on death but 10 billion to save lives is to much……… ?”

    $10 billion is not too much. It isn’t enough.

  122. And as you are aware no federal money is used for abortion, due to the Hyde Amendment.

  123. Seamus

    1 in 10 that go through a 28day rehab program stay clean it’s 5 out of 10 that go through a 90day program that stay clean.

  124. Seamus, on January 31st, 2019 at 6:21 PM Said:
    And as you are aware no federal money is used for abortion, due to the Hyde Amendment.

    ROFLMAO…….

  125. “1 in 10 that go through a 28day rehab program stay clean it’s 5 out of 10 that go through a 90day program that stay clean.”

    And?

  126. “ROFLMAO…….”

    You shouldn’t roll on the floor. A man of your age might break his hip.

    Also where is what I said wrong?

  127. yes…. it’s spin and accounting tricks.

  128. “it’s spin and accounting tricks.”

    Such as?

  129. Seamus, on January 31st, 2019 at 6:23 PM Said:
    “1 in 10 that go through a 28day rehab program stay clean it’s 5 out of 10 that go through a 90day program that stay clean.”

    And?

    And if you get the 165,000 number that you came up with into a 90 day program that would save 82,500 lives.

  130. “And if you get the 165,000 number that you came up with into a 90 day program that would save 82,500 lives.”

    Except it won’t. It will get 82,500 drug addicts clean. Only 0.8% of drug addicts die every year. So it will save about 700 lives.

  131. PVR

    “I have a million dollars worth of dope gee I think I’ll bring it through where all the cops and dogs are rather than just walk across here where there is no wall, no cops, and no dogs.” Ever hear of bribes? I don’t have any numbers and if there were any they would probably be wildly inaccurate. But dope dealers have tons of money and agents do not make a fortune. It would be unrealistic to believe there is no bribery.

  132. The intelligence agencies were kind to Trump yesterday. They said nothing about Trump’s “national emergency” on the Mexican border. They could have said we see no threat that warrants the use of US troops. The subject was not mentioned, but it should have been. Trump claims there is a threat on the border that he might deem a “national emergency. Perhaps out of politeness they kept quiet. It was a noteworthy omission[…]

    It is a National Emergency when 60-80 THOUSAND depending on your source Americans are dying a year from an illegal product that’s sale supplies the family income to the leaders of every country on the other side of that border

    It’s called a drug war and it claims more Americans in a year than the Vietnam War did in 16yrs 9mthsIt is a National Emergency when 60-80 THOUSAND depending on your source Americans are dying a year from an illegal product that’s sale supplies the family income to the leaders of every country on the other side of that border.

    It’s called a drug war and it claims more Americans in a year than the Vietnam War did in 16yrs 9mths

    Bizarre, absolutely bizarre that Trump supporters are trying to spin that Trump’s strong man multi million taxpayer $ mid -terms election stunt was because of some ‘drug war’ In the decades that the ‘War on Drugs’ has been fought not once did it warrant thousands of US troops on the southern US border and now, conveniantly just around the mid terms, they expect people to believe that there was some drug ‘national emergency’ which meant millions of dollars had to be spent sending thousands of US soldiers and military equipment to the southern US border?

    Do they think that the majority of the American electorate are as irrational and gullible as they are?

  133. But even with no bribery, with huge numbers of trucks and trains passing through the border its impossible to catch it all

    They don’t inspect every container, they certainly don’t inspect all the contents of every container, nor will they ever do so.

    The drugs argument is fake, meant to deceive the gullibles

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiU8eWt1pjgAhUI_aQKHfMcC_YQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bnsf.com%2Fship-with-bnsf%2Fmaps-and-shipping-locations%2Frail-network-maps.html&psig=AOvVaw0DAHwiP5Lka2TYLdt2KauI&ust=1549046586321395

  134. And again, why isn’t this fake president promoting expanded rehab?

  135. Except it won’t. It will get 82,500 drug addicts clean. Only 0.8% of drug addicts die every year. So it will save about 700 lives.

    700 lives….. ? here from the CDC

    An in-depth analysis of 2016 U.S. drug overdose data shows that America’s overdose epidemic is spreading geographically and increasing across demographic groups. The report, from researchers at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), appears in today’s issue of MMWR.

    Drug overdoses killed 63,632 Americans in 2016. Nearly two-thirds of these deaths (66%) involved a prescription or illicit opioid. Overdose deaths increased in all categories of drugs examined for men and women, people ages 15 and older, all races and ethnicities, and across all levels of urbanization.

    CDC’s new analysis confirms that recent increases in drug overdose deaths are driven by continued sharp increases in deaths involving synthetic opioids other than methadone, such as illicitly manufactured fentanyl (IMF).

    63,632 deaths 2 years ago and in the last 2yrs that number has increased…….

  136. “63,632 deaths 2 years ago and in the last 2yrs that number has increased…….”

    Yes. 60,000 people die – out of 9 million drug addicts.

    In order half the deaths you would need to treat all of the drug addicts.

  137. If you treat only 2% of the drug addicts,and cure only 1% of the drug addicts, then you will only reduce 1% of the drug deaths.

  138. Phantom, on January 31st, 2019 at 6:46 PM Said:
    And again, why isn’t this fake president promoting expanded rehab?

    It’s congresses job and all they care about is raping Merc and SmithKline.

  139. The President sets the agenda. The President has always set the agenda. Trump’s agenda is the wall, at all costs. Nothing about rehab.

  140. More money for crooked Bibi, more money for the military, f** the Americans who have a deadly addiction

    That’s your boy!!

  141. If a TV station in Fort Wayne Indiana says something that he doesn’t like or if some jerk football player takes a knee, Trump will send a thousand tweets about it

    Yet he can’t be bothered to talk about the lack of rehab, or proposing solutions.

    He doesn’t care about this issue at all.

  142. Seamus, on January 31st, 2019 at 6:55 PM Said:
    If you treat only 2% of the drug addicts,and cure only 1% of the drug addicts, then you will only reduce 1% of the drug deaths.

    That’s not how it works Seamus….. for an addict to go into rehab they have to hit bottom on their own. They can’t get sober for a loved one, or because the court orders it. The addict has to reach the point where they can not live another day as they are living.

    A 28day program only gives an addict barely enough time to get dry. Which is why the recidivism rate is so high. A 90day program gives them skills to cope with the complete change of life, and a start on the lifetime of therapy they need.

    Getting 150,000 addicts to want to go to rehab is a near impossible task with the amount of cheap heroin flooding the streets of our country.

    The problem is much more complex than just crunching numbers.

  143. New Yorker, on January 31st, 2019 at 6:40 PM Said:
    PVR

    “I have a million dollars worth of dope gee I think I’ll bring it through where all the cops and dogs are rather than just walk across here where there is no wall, no cops, and no dogs.” Ever hear of bribes? I don’t have any numbers and if there were any they would probably be wildly inaccurate. But dope dealers have tons of money and agents do not make a fortune. It would be unrealistic to believe there is no bribery.

    so our border cops aren’t incompetent they’re corrupt…..

  144. “That’s not how it works Seamus….. for an addict to go into rehab they have to hit bottom on their own. They can’t get sober for a loved one, or because the court orders it. The addict has to reach the point where they can not live another day as they are living.”

    Sure. So the idea that funding 165,000 places will treat put even a dent in the drug deaths is silly.

    The major impact on drug deaths is synthetic opioids. Which drug dealers are cutting into heroin and cocaine in order to make it more potent (thus a kilo goes a longer way etc…). The only way to stop that is legalisation and regulation.

  145. Going to rehab should not necessarily be voluntary.

    Other countries ( in Asia ) broke the back of drug addition, and there wasn’t anything voluntary about it.

  146. Build the wall, hire the additional agents, improve detection at the entry points…. That’s what the the 5.7 Billion will pay for and it will cut the amount of drugs on the street by half and THAT alone will force more addicts to seek help.

  147. No truth to any of that.

  148. Considering that Homeland Security said the wall would cost over $20 billion I doubt the $5.7 billion would have much of a benefit to improving detection at entry points.

  149. The Trump Administration hasn’t filled the slots for border agent positions that had already been funded

    A scathing report by the Office of the Inspector General revealed that a consulting company hired by U.S. Customs and Border Protection to fill thousands of new jobs to satisfy President Trump’s mandate to secure the southern border is “nowhere near” completing its hiring goals and “risks wasting millions of taxpayer dollars.”

    The audit found that as of Oct. 1, CBP had paid Accenture Federal Services approximately $13.6 million of a $297 million contract to recruit and hire 7,500 applicants, including Customs and Border Protection officers, Border Patrol agents, and Air and Marine Interdiction agents. But 10 months into the first year of a five-year contract, Accenture had processed only “two accepted job offers,” according to the report.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/12/11/675923576/customs-border-and-protection-paid-a-firm-13-6-million-to-hire-recruits-it-hired

  150. Biggest fentanyl bust in history was at a port of entry in AZ.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/fentanyl-seized-by-border-patrol-in-record-bust-could-have-killed-57m-officials-say

  151. Good catch

    114 kg is not small, but it’s relatively small when it’s inside in a big truck trailer –here hidden under the floor.

    The border guards are being asked to find needles in moving haystacks that are passing through the border crossings, and to do it without holding up the flow of traffic.

  152. also over 300lbs of meth

  153. Cost of doing business for the bad guys.

    Some other load will get through, bet the ranch on it.

  154. here is the bust I think it beat from back in may

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/25/inside-a-semi-truck-in-nebraska-troopers-found-enough-fentanyl-to-kill-26-million-people/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7d28fe62870c

  155. here is the bust I think it beat from back in may

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/25/inside-a-semi-truck-in-nebraska-troopers-found-enough-fentanyl-to-kill-26-million-people/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7d28fe62870c

  156. sorry don’t know why that posted twice

  157. Fentanyl is exceptionally terrifying

    And a lot of it has come in via US mail and probably Fedex and all that.

  158. like just the dust from the outside of the pkg is enough to od on….. this stuff in it’s pure form like these two bust scare the shit of the cops you can die testing it with road kits they carry.

  159. Patrick

    We had a border patrol agent go into seizures from just handling a pack of fentenyl without latex gloves on. This stuff is wicked pure.

  160. yeah scarry