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The Speech

By Patrick Van Roy On February 6th, 2019

61 Responses to “The Speech”

  1. Early he disparaged “ridiculous partisan investigations” then brought up the wall. It was a divisive ‘my way or the highway’ speech. The writers put in some nice words and phrases here and there, but it was as if there were not mid-term elections. Trump seems incapable of knowing how to govern successfully. A majority favor the investigations because they believe there are important things to investigate. He lost the battle over the wall but continues to dig the hole he put himself in deeper. It was a long and tiresome speech that could have been delivered by any actor; it was not presidential nor was it helpful to him or the nation.

  2. He totally lied about the city of El Paso. This jumped out at me the moment he said it

    The border city of El Paso, Texas, used to have extremely high rates of violent crime — one of the highest in the country, and [was] considered one of our nation’s most dangerous cities. Now, with a powerful barrier in place, El Paso is one of our safest cities,” Trump said.

    https://www.vox.com/2019/2/5/18213141/state-of-the-union-2019-fact-check-border-crime

    Charles, I’m gonna turn the spotlight on you.

    I know that you haven’t long lived in El Paso, but you know stuff. What do you think about that comment by the president?

    I’ve never before heard -anyone- say that El Paso has extremely high rates of crime, at any time over the last half century?

  3. NY

    I think you mentioned that you flew Norwegian air and liked it

    Someone close to me had to fly to Dublin today, flying back this coming Sunday

    Their choice was to pay $2000 plus for flights from JFK or Newark, Or to pay $600 to go round trip from Stewart Airport, north of the city

    It was a no brainer of all time. I got massive props for the referral!

    There was also an option of flying Wow airlines ( Iceland based ) Which would’ve been even cheaper – $900 round-trip, but involving a change of plane in Iceland

    Iceland is on my “ must see “ list and at some point I may take Wow there , maybe on the way to somewhere Lin Europe

  4. NY

    The $600 RT flight out of Stewart was on Norwegian, as booked at 1pm today

  5. Phantom, I’m surprised by the comment. To my knowledge, El Paso has always been a nice place to live. I’ve only been here since the wall has been in place, but Trump’s statement doesn’t feel right, as my wife was born here. I think the president told a porky!

  6. What is it with people and their ‘identity politics’ – ie Women wearing white clothing. I have seen this a lot recently with the Left. You cannot stand on a platform of equality for all and then decide that you are going to favour a particular group over others.

    President Trump’s central campaign promise was the ‘Wall’. The Left have decided that it is more important to them to defeat it and President Trump than protect their country and countrymen. Shameful.

  7. “You cannot stand on a platform of equality for all and then decide that you are going to favour a particular group over others.”

    Is there any evidence that they have done so?

    “President Trump’s central campaign promise was the ‘Wall’.”

    And?

    “The Left have decided that it is more important to them to defeat it and President Trump than protect their country and countrymen.”

    Yeah its called the McConnell-Boehner approach.

    “I think the president told a porky!”

    It would certainly seem so. The statistics actually seem to indicate that crime in El Pase (while never being particularly bad) peaked in 1993 before going down. In fact crime actually increased by 17% while the fence was being constructed in El Paso.

    elpasotimes.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/10/el-paso-crime-rate-topic-in-trump-roundtable-to-support-border-wall/2539838002/

  8. Phantom

    My wife and I flew Norwegian last summer. I think we paid less than $600. Stewart is a pleaure compared to JFK. It is small with only a few flights and without the crowds and long distances to walk at JFK. The planes get right onto the runway and take off with out waiting on a taxi line and waiting for previous planes to take off. We took the bus from Port Authority for the hour and twenty minute ride to Stewart, if the bus is late they hold the flight until the bus arrives. The service onboard was as good as any major airline. Norwegian’s planes are all relatively new. I hope those you suggested it to have as good an experience as we had.

  9. I thought Irish actor Liam Neeson was just being honest with his comments after the rape of a friend. He admitted his reaction was racist, and talked in general terms about how being personally involved in some crime can so easily lead to an unjustified response.

    What do you think, Paul?

  10. It’s like the Ryder cup. Noel takes a good shot to interrupt the yanks lead and putting the Europeans back in the game 😉

  11. Mark B

    “President Trump’s central campaign promise was the ‘Wall’. The Left have decided that it is more important to them to defeat it and President Trump than protect their country and countrymen. Shameful.” It was a stupid promise only simpletons believed. There are much better ways to accomplish border security without wasting 25-40 billion on a wall. Trump’s mistake was not to meet with Democrats behind closed doors to negotiate the best way to provide border security. Then he could have announced an already agreed solution. Instead he went banging on about a wall which is not a good solution and was rightly blocked by the Democrats. As I said above, he does not know how to govern successfully. My way or the highway is the wrong approach in a democratic government. Unless he changes his approach he will not get anything approved by Congress. That is why his speech last night was a big negative.

  12. Colm, someone was making some confusing comments about you over on the Year of the Pig thread.

  13. The real State of the Union will be delivered on Saturday Night Live by Alec Baldwin

  14. Local officials respond

    https://kfoxtv.com/news/local/local-lawmakers-react-to-president-trumps-remarks-of-el-paso-during-state-of-the-union

  15. A depressing reminder that this guy is President and that Congress is made up of the characters there.
    At least he followed in the footsteps of Nixon by calling for an end to investigation. Look how that worked out.

  16. It’s exceptionally weird to say ” don’t have those cops investigate me ” in a speech like that.

    The comment about a major Korean war if Hillary had won was off the charts bizarre. But from this guy, what do you expect.

  17. What do you think, Paul?

    I agree. As I wrote to a friend earlier Noel,

    Pretty pathetic behaviour.

    Fella succumbed to his prejudices, recognised it and felt ashamed of it and then tried to contritely make amends for it by getting it out into the open.

    It again demonstrates what a danger Twitter, the digital equivalent of Chinese whispers, can be.

    In other news:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2343981175620888&set=a.212729912079369&type=3&theater

  18. It’s interesting to me that the President, or his speech writers, would make such disparaging comments about El Paso that are easily fact-checked, and found to be false. Sometimes Trump goes out of his way to alienate!

  19. He doesn’t listen to the experts on anything and it’s now believed that he gets many of his opinions on things from AM talk radio and Fox News.

    He spends much of his day on unstructured ” Executive Time “, which is basically watching TV.

  20. There is a much better way to reduce illegal immigration.

    Remove the main incentive, which is employers who are willing to employ them illegally.

    Recently I have been reading about something called the “Trump Organization” which been employing people illegally at multiple locations

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/01/us/trump-workers-fired.html

    We need to find out who owns this criminal enterprise, lock them up, and confiscate their assets using RICO laws.

  21. Just line every captured illegal up and give a twenty foot run to get back over the wall before you shoot them……

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0IfSIcZlCY

    Viva Villa

  22. Latest news from Grand Central terminal

  23. Colm, on February 6th, 2019 at 8:30 AM Said: Edit Comment
    It’s like the Ryder cup. Noel takes a good shot to interrupt the yanks lead and putting the Europeans back in the game 😉

    What is there some sort of competition or complaint??????????

    I noticed a derogatory remark from Paul on the Crappy Black Beer post that I AMERICANIZED it with my comment…. about football.

    Are we bitching and have some sort of racist desire here for segregation of threads ????

  24. crappy black beer?

  25. Pat, as my youngest would say ‘calm your ham, mate’

    It’s not always about America or Americans.

    My comment was a good natured, tongue-in-cheek comment at Noel and his complaint at Phantom and you discussing American weather on a thread about Europe.

  26. The Dem. Women in White: told what to wear, when to clap, how to behave.

    I’m embarrassed for them.

  27. It’s raining in Dublin now

  28. The Au Bon Pain on Maiden Lane has closed.

    What a bummer.

  29. ‘Crappy black beer?’

    Coming from the country that took a perfectly good Czech pilsner beer and absolutely ruined it by bunging a load of sugar into it and calling it ‘Budweiser’ not to mention being the home of the sick, diseased imagination that invented ‘lite’ beer, (shivers), that’s a bit rich.

  30. America is the home of the modern craft beer revolution, also. An entirely positive thing.

    A thousand flowers of quality beer now bloom, in brewpubs and microbreweries and larger breweries from coast to coast.

    Sales of Budweiser, Miller and Coors are in significant decline.

    There’s no reason to drink bad beer.

    And – not for nothing – they sell a lot of horrible cheap rat piss beer in Europe.

  31. The best part of the speech begins a 1:10, or so – where POTUS talks about Europe and WWII

  32. https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/12/there-are-now-more-than-6000-us-craft-breweries-fo.html

    The craft beer industry managed to pass another significant milestone in 2017, according to just-released statistics from the Boulder, CO-based Brewers Association. For the first time in the industry’s history, the total number of breweries in the U.S. passed 6,000, with more than 98% of those fitting the BA “craft beer” designation of small, traditional and independent.

    “Craft brewers continue to thrive, if at a slower pace, fueled by a passionate community dedicated to bringing innovation, jobs and beer across America—on Main Street and beyond,” said Bart Watson, chief economist, Brewers Association. “Today, 83 percent of the population lives within 10 miles of a local brewery, meaning that the positive impact of breweries is being felt in communities all over the country.”

    The state of the beer union in America is very good, and getting better. Ask any quality beer lover in Europe. They’ll tell you.

  33. Any pub I’ve been in in the US has a magnificent selection of local beer (nary a Miller or Coors Shite in site). Seattle in particular is awash with great beer.

  34. MourneReg

    The Pacific Northwest has long been a bastion of great beer.

    But now, there are many wonderful beer areas – San Diego, San Francisco, Colorado.

    But its everywhere. NYC has multiple good breweries.

    And the newer trend? Microdistilleries, where small firms make whiskey and vodka.

    https://www.bestproducts.com/fun-things-to-do/a1409/distilleries-in-new-york-near-me/

    Microbreweries and micro distilleries used to be discouraged by idiotic federal and state laws. Those laws are now gone, and the great experimenting is going on everywhere.

    States and localities encourage microbreweries and brew pubs, who are job makers and great neighbors.

  35. Looking on from afar, dispassionately, with no dog in the race, from a friendly country and not a communist enclave of America-haters like the ROI, I have to say that was the greatest SOTU speech ever.

    Hey, I just calls it as I sees it.

  36. Who paid for the white dresses worn by the Democrat Party Costume Party set?

    Was it my tax money somehow?

  37. I could never stomach Guinness Stout… my father liked it but nope sorry not my idea of a drink.

    Don’t like all the crafty beers either…. When I was young if I drank beer I had no real preference, but I was never a beer drinker. Give me straight Vodka or juice of the cactus needle…

    My comment was a good natured, tongue-in-cheek comment at Noel and his complaint at Phantom and you discussing American weather on a thread about Europe.

    yeah I figured I missed something…. my nickers ain’t in a bunch.

  38. Truth be told Patty I have yet to see the whole speech ten minutes into it my youngest called me in tears saying transmission fluid was spraying all over the inside of her engine compartment and that was my night.

    So I’m about to watch the speech for the first time shortly.

  39. Who paid for the white dresses worn by the Democrat Party Costume Party set?

    George Soros

  40. HOORAY THE BUTTONS ARE BACK

    THANK YOU DAVID

  41. Guinness isn’t for everyone, but for many of us a fresh Guinness is one of the great things in the world

    There are other great dark beers. Nothing wrong with a nice porter. Or peanut butter stout which is really a thing, and a good thing too.

  42. I thought it was so powerful in the speech at around 1:15 when the prisoner from Nazi war camp, Dacau helps the American WWII veteran stand for applause

  43. Cool yeah I still have to watch it I heard there were a few good spots.

  44. Patrick: seriously. dude. what? you haven’t watched it? why post it?

    My educated guess is that most on this thread didn’t bother to watch it, either. Hence, the beer discussion.

    People actually died, Patrick, for our freedoms, for our countries. I understand that the haters here on ATW gonna hate….but you really should watch the speech.

  45. The SOU was, and usually is, a ten minute speech given over a 90 minute period.

    It was the usual contemptible nonsense.

    I had it on, and half listened to it while doing chores.

  46. I expect this from you, Phantom. Nothing more. Nothing less.

    But, Patrick? I thought he was a pro-American patriot and I thought that if you post something here, you should at least watch it – or read it – I’m disappointed.

  47. Carry on with the beer debate, though. I have things to do elsewhere.

  48. The choreographed fake cheers by hacks

    The reference to El Paso as a violent hellhole before the wall, a lie

    The statement that you would have had a major war if Trumpy hadn’t been elected.

    If these things aren’t contemptible, then pray tell what is?

    Trump and every other politician in the room should have been taken out in handcuffs. Then we’d have had something to cheer about.

  49. Yeah I figured I missed something…. my nickers ain’t in a bunch

    Fair enough, I take the above back then.

    Don’t like all the crafty beers either

    Nope, never got it either. Some of it’s nice but I think that much like the’real ale’ campaign there’s quite a lot of pretension surrounding what can be at times glorified home brew.

    There is indeed some great beer in the States Phantom and there is also some rat piss in Europe but I won’t accept lectures on a well pulled pint of Guinness, truly one of life’s great pleasures, from the home of the ‘lite’ beer aberration.

    Who paid for the white dresses worn by the Democrat Party Costume Party set?

    George Soros

    Touché Pat. That made me LOL 🙂

  50. I’m pretty sure you read the so-called “fact checkers” for your bullet points.

    “Trump and every other politician in the room should have been taken out in handcuffs. Then we’d have had something to cheer about.” lol.

    Phantom, are you trying out the “sincere,” yet cynical, “so-disappointed-in-politicians” bit to gain friends and influence enemies? Doesn’t work, my friend….we know you are a Socialist, Big Gov. guy. You like politicians just fine – as long as there is a D after their name.

  51. I had it on, and half listened to it while doing chores

    At least you weren’t a publicity stunt that backfired invited to it and fell asleep during it.

  52. Patty

    We have a Trump supporter and delegate on this very website who lives in El Paso, and he has called bullshit on Trump’s lie last night.

    But feel free to believe it.

    Good luck in finding the ” real killers”in Puerto Rico 🙂

  53. If invited to the SOU, I’d have to decline and say that I’d rather do anything else.

    I’d rather re arrange my sock drawer in accordance with Marie Kondo principles while listening to AC DC.

    It’s the most bullshit speech of the year most times, in the absence of a true national crisis, a war.

  54. I read that the President is coming to El Paso next Monday. You’d take your life in your own hands to go. I think there will be more protestors than participants. I don’t think I’ll go.

  55. He should be able to speak in any place to any audience that wants to see him.

    I would hope that your cops don’t put up with any nonsense. Protest, yes, disrupt, no.

  56. Phantom, no one does it like New York! I went to a speech by the governor and there were protestors shouting at us. No violence though.

  57. The NYPD keeps conflicting sides physically separated.

    Not every force does that, which is astonishing.

  58. “We have a Trump supporter and delegate on this very website who lives in El Paso, and he has called bullshit on Trump’s lie last night.”

    So, I was right. You got your speech bullet points from the so-called “fact checkers.”

  59. Why not actually listen to the speech?

    Is politics only interesting when it’s been pre-digested by the MSM?

  60. Oh… that’s right….I forgot: THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!!!

  61. I think that the resident of El Paso might know about El Paso.

    How is OJ?