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WHY DOES THE UK FAIL TO PROSECUTE SOMALI FGM?

By David Vance On February 10th, 2019

The airwaves have been replete with self righteous indignation from the Political and Media caste at the decision by Sir Christopher Chope to block a private members bill allegedly aimed at protecting children from female genital mutilation.

Sir Christopher shouted “object” in a debate on laws protecting children from female genital mutilation. His Conservative colleague, Zac Goldsmith, said his actions were “appalling”– Lib Dem Tom Brake said the MP had “reached a new low”.

Sir Christopher has argued his aim is to stop badly thought-out legislation. He said he had not been objecting to the substance of the issue, but wanted to see all legislation properly debated. 

WHAT IS THE REALITY OF FGM IN THE UK?

There is a suspicion that well over 95% of FGM in the UK is done by Somalis (including Ethiopian Somali/Oromo ethnic). This would correlate with the level of FGM in Somalia. Yet the authorities simply don’t seem to want to prosecute them. Why is this?

There is significant public pressure to appear to be doing something. This barbarism has been going on for decades, but now social media outrage is creating real pressure for action. It was previously simply ignored by the legacy media and political caste.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN UK COURTS?

The first attempt at a prosecution for FGM, was a Sri Lankan doctorin 2015!! There’s no FGM practised amongst Sri Lankans of any faith. Basically the doctor had needed to take remedial action for a Somali woman giving birth (i.e. she must have had severe FGM), so she could give birth safely. For doing so, the doctor was prosecuted for FGM! This was a simply ridiculous situation and thankfully he was found not guilty. Nobody actually tried to prosecute whoever had originally done the FGM.

Consider the 2nd instance of attempted FGM prosecution in the UK.

A charity social worker (maybe Somali origin?) was in a Bristol taxi with a Somali driver. The taxi driver told her that he had done FGM on his daughter. The social worker informed the police, and the daughter was examined and she had indeed had FGM done on her. The local Somali community threatened to riot, and gathered outside the courthouse and even attacked representatives of the charity. Obviously nobody was arrested for that. The judge made some bizarre excuses for dismissing the case and instructed the jury to return not guilty!! Totally ridiculous again, as you really can’t get more solid evidence than directly informing someone he had done FGM on his daughter, and the daughter then displaying evidence of it.

THE PROBLEM WITH THE UK’s 1st SUCCESSFUL PROSECUTION

The issue with the most recent prosecution is that apparently it was done by a Ugandan womanfrom a tribe that does not practise FGM but unlike the Bristol case she obviously didn’t have a violent crowd demonstrating in her defence outside the Courthouse.

From this article, the mother states that she is from an ethnic group that doesn’t practise FGM. Apparently she contacted a voodoo doctor in Africa on how to “cleanse” the daughter. Perhaps he suggested that she could “cleanse her daughter of spirits” by making 3 small incisions in her genitalia? Whilst chanting some African spells? Some Africans do whatever the voodoo doctor recommends.

So the point is that this isn’t the normative UK occurrence of FGM at all, which is almost entirely Somalis doing Islamic FGM on their daughters, because it is recommended according to hadith.

This is basically a sham “ABS” prosecution – Anyone But Somali!

The UK authorities and media are resiling from the simple truth that FGM is a feature of Somali communities spread out across the UK. A refusal to accept this and then act on it is putting vulnerable girls, even babies, at risk to the cutters who continue to operate with impunity.

It’s they, not Chope, who need the chop.

Forget the faux outrage against Chope, the real outrage should be directed against those politicians and “activists” who want to see anyone prosecuted but those from the community who carry most of it out.

36 Responses to “WHY DOES THE UK FAIL TO PROSECUTE SOMALI FGM?”

  1. It is by now evident that this is what Somalis do, and this is what is done in Somalia because their culture is founded on what they are. However, in the interests of ‘equality’, may I suggest that the Bill that outlaws FGM also be amended to apply to MGM

  2. “The judge made some bizarre excuses for dismissing the case and instructed the jury to return not guilty!!”

    You mean a bizarre excuse like the girl was examined by a consultant gynaecologist who concluded that she had not undergone FGM?

  3. glad to see the post made it David

  4. All bad law is made in haste.

    All forms of genital mutilation should be made illegal but I do not see the government passing any legislation on that. It’s just pointless virtue signaling by them to settle themselves that they have done ‘something’ and passed the problem on to someone else.

  5. The major reason for a lack of prosecutions is due to the lack of available information. Overwhelmingly cases rely on the victim coming forward and making accusations. These tend to be girls from traditional families, from countries with a high prevalence of FGM.

    It would be wrong to suggest that they are all Somali. In fact a report (albeit from a decade ago), using interviews, other studies and census information, projected the number of women and girls in the UK who have been mutilated at 65,000 (which is shocking). The highest group of them are Kenyan women at 28%, followed by Somalis at 23%. Though it does just look at countries – there are a large Somali population in Kenya, Ethiopia, and Djibouti.

    Either way nearly 60% of cases come from the Horn of Africa and Kenya. So it is primarily a problem involving people from those countries, but it would be incorrect to suggest that just because the arrest a Nigerian person for it that they are avoiding the problem.

    To expect the girls from these traditional communities to defy their elders, their fathers, their entire culture, by reporting them all to the police is insane. Its not going to happen.

    The best way to do it would be to increase the reporting of it by other people (doctors, social workers, teachers etc…). However even that is not easy. Mandatory reporting has increased the number of cases going to the police but have not seen an increase in prosecutions (as passing the evidential test is hard).

    There needs to also be a study into police responses. One of the biggest scandals of the recent rape ring revelations was the refusal of police to properly investigate leads for fear of being labeled as racist. It shouldn’t have got in their way then and it shouldn’t get in their way now – but it might be.

    More positively it has increased the number of FGM protection orders. Effectively if a girl is considered at risk for FGM the police can apply for certain protections to be introduced to try and prevent FGM happening in the first place (removal of passports for example). Over 200 have issued in the last two years so that is a promising start.

  6. There needs to also be a study into police responses. One of the biggest scandals of the recent rape ring revelations was the refusal of police to properly investigate leads for fear of being labeled as racist. It shouldn’t have got in their way then and it shouldn’t get in their way now – but it might be.

    Says the bloke who screams racist every five minutes.

  7. “Says the bloke who screams racist every five minutes.”

    Only at racists Harri. Like you. And Allan. I don’t call non-racists racist.

  8. //Mandatory reporting has increased the number of cases going to the police but have not seen an increase in prosecutions//

    Yes, all women will be examined down there are some point in their lives, and the fear of mandatory reporting and criminal investigations and possible charges should be enough to deter a lot of the butchers, even if they cannot be positively identified in the end.

  9. Says the bloke who screams racist every five minutes.

    There’s no one on this forum uses the word racist as prolifically as you do Harri.

  10. Seamus – what is the purpose of Somalis being in the UK? Does British society and its functioning economy gain from their presence?

  11. Harri,

    Says the bloke who screams racist every five minutes.

    That’s you isn’t it Harri?

  12. “Seamus – what is the purpose of Somalis being in the UK? Does British society and its functioning economy gain from their presence?”

    No idea. Most studies suggest that immigration is of economic benefit to the UK, though that isn’t broken down by individual groups.

    Most of the Somali people in the UK are either born in the UK or came to the UK after fleeing oppression in their homeland.

  13. Dave.

    Its anyone who has a different opinion to the progressives.

    Dave.

    In your honest opinion, do you truly believe being wailed at, as a racist has any effect anymore?

  14. Allan@Aberdeen, on February 11th, 2019 at 12:38 PM Said:
    Seamus – what is the purpose of Somalis being in the UK? Does British society and its functioning economy gain from their presence?

    I think its something to with British colonialism, an undeserving world, or something, or other?

  15. Harri,

    Dave.

    In your honest opinion, do you truly believe being wailed at, as a racist has any effect anymore?

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I just ignore you when you wail at me that I’m a racist Harri.

  16. Accusations of racism: “The last refuge of the liberal scoundrel”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/accusations-racism-last-refuge-liberal-scoundrel-ed-whelan/

    Actually, its the last refuge of a rattled liberal scoundrel

  17. Dave

    Apart from very obvious tongue in cheek posts.

    I can’t recall ever wailing at you being a racist?

    Unless you know different of course?

  18. Dave.

    Methinks you are bullshitting…again?

    😏

  19. No Harri. The point I’m making is you’ve called me racist far more times than I have you. ‘Tongue in cheek’ or not.

  20. Dave.

    Really?

    Please, be my guest.

    Show me?

    Dave.

    Nope, the point you are making, is…bollocks.

  21. Harri

    In this thread you call me, and others, racists at least five time.
    You’ve also accused me of being a racist in previous threads.

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=77027

  22. Dave.

    Stop digging.

    I’m getting embarrassed for you.

    I smell bullshit…again.

    😁

  23. Dave Alton, on February 11th, 2019 at 2:21 PM Said:
    Harri

    In this thread you call me, and others, racists at least five time.

    Dave.

    Have you been down the pub?

    😏

  24. You asked for proof and I provided it.
    That not bullshit, that’s your dishonesty in not acknowledging it.

  25. Dave.

    “Five posts on this thread, I have called you, or someone else a racist”

    Dave.

    Are you on drugs?

  26. In this thread you call me, and others, racists at least five time.

    ????

    Dave, you really are a strange one.

    😏

  27. Dave Alton, on February 11th, 2019 at 2:25 PM Said:
    You asked for proof and I provided it.

    Back on planet earth.

    You have provided the sum zero amount of…fuck all?

    😏

  28. Dave.

    Pity has got the better of me..

    Harri, on February 11th, 2019 at 9:26 AM Said:
    There needs to also be a study into police responses. One of the biggest scandals of the recent rape ring revelations was the refusal of police to properly investigate leads for fear of being labeled as racist. It shouldn’t have got in their way then and it shouldn’t get in their way now – but it might be.

    Says the bloke who screams racist every five minutes.

    Harri, on February 11th, 2019 at 1:45 PM Said:
    Dave.

    Its anyone who has a different opinion to the progressives.

    Dave.

    In your honest opinion, do you truly believe being wailed at, as a racist has any effect anymore?

    Harri, on February 11th, 2019 at 1:57 PM Said:
    Allan@Aberdeen, on February 11th, 2019 at 12:38 PM Said:
    Seamus – what is the purpose of Somalis being in the UK? Does British society and its functioning economy gain from their presence?

    I think its something to with British colonialism, an undeserving world, or something, or other?

    Harri, on February 11th, 2019 at 2:02 PM Said:
    Accusations of racism: “The last refuge of the liberal scoundrel”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/accusations-racism-last-refuge-liberal-scoundrel-ed-whelan/

    Actually, its the last refuge of a rattled liberal scoundrel

    Dave.

    Does this help your rather befuddled state of confusion?

  29. Harri,

    You have provided the sum zero amount of…fuck all?

    I’ll leave it to Others on ATW to decide who’s lying Harri.

    Harri, on January 6th, 2019 at 5:33 PM Said:

    Dave Alton, on January 6th, 2019 at 2:42 PM Said:

    Harri.
    You only get one guess. I’m going with the one on the top right.

    I’m in the company of racist’s.

  30. Seamus – these Somalis fleeing oppression in their homeland, who was/is doing the oppressing? Why is it any reason for them to be in the UK?

  31. Dave.

    Stop digging.

    In this thread you call me, and others, racists at least five time.

    Dave, if your lying and bullshitting skills are as adept as your carpentry skills, I have a new kitchen you can fit.

    The workmanship would be outstanding.

    😁

  32. I’ll leave it to Others on ATW to decide who’s lying Harri.

    In this thread you call me, and others, racists at least five time.

    Which s actually dated the 11th..

    “At least”?

    😏

    Dave.

    Seriously, are you alright mate?

  33. Dave Alton, on February 11th, 2019 at 2:48 PM Said:
    Harri,

    You have provided the sum zero amount of…fuck all?

    Precisely, the zero sum of…fuck all.

    In this thread you call me, and others, racists at least five time.

    Dave.

    Five times eh?

    😁
    At the very least, grow a pair, you dug yourself a hole.

    Stop relying on anyone else at ATW.

  34. Dave.

    One thing you definitely are, is absolutely fucking shameless.

    😏

  35. Dave.

    Once again, pity has overwhelmed me for you..

    Forget the “In this thread you call me, and others, racists at least five time”

    Pure pity tells me, okay, let’s go for three then?

    😏

    Dave.

    Don’t ever try to tell me ever again you believe in facts, or data because, as fully expected, I will know full well, you are once again, talking absolute bollocks.

    How about two?

    😏

  36. Harri, stop talking to yourself. It’s unhealthy.