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SHE’S NOT ONE OF US

By Pete Moore On February 14th, 2019

A British woman (sic) who ran away to Syria as a schoolgirl to join the Islamic State group has been told she could face prosecution if she returns home.

Shamima Begum, now 19 and pregnant, told the Times she had no regrets but wanted to have her baby in the UK …

In her interview with the newspaper, Ms Begum, who married an IS fighter, showed little remorse for her involvement with the terror group, saying she was not fazed by seeing “beheaded heads” in bins.

“I don’t regret coming here,” she told Times journalist Anthony Loyd, who found her in the camp.

We know what’ll happen if she pitches up in Dover. It’ll be a journey ending in a council flat and a life of welfare crack on the idiot British taxpayer. But no, she’s not British. She’s an unrepentant adult muslim who still supports ISIS. She is not one of us. She does not deserve to hold a British passport. She can go where she likes, but she ought to be defenestrated by the government and barred from returning.

46 Responses to “SHE’S NOT ONE OF US”

  1. Jesus, things must be truly horrible in Northern Syria if she wants to come back to Britain.

  2. Jesus, things must be truly horrible in Northern Syria if she wants to come back to Britain.

    I agree, she lived in London.

  3. Just as we Brexit too. Is she mad?!

  4. Fair point well made Pete!

  5. I can’t imagine anyone would disagree with this post. However unfortunately she will be allowed to return but if and when that happens I hope she is prosecuted as the terrorist enabler and supporter she is and spends many many years in prison before she gets that infidel council flat.

  6. She has said she regrets nothing and and should be stripped of her nationality and absolutely shouldn’t be allowed to return.

    If for whatever she does come back she should be incarcerated in SSU for a very, very long time.

  7. …or forced to live in Essex and marry Pete Moore 😱

  8. Pete doesn’t live in Wessex?

    I’ve no doubt there’d be a warm neighbourly welcome waiting for her in deepest leafy Beds…..

  9. There are a couple of complications. Firstly I don’t believe it is legally possible to remove her citizenship (as she doesn’t hold dual citizenship and stripping her of her citizenship would render her stateless – something that isn’t legal under international law). Certainly, as far as I am aware, UK law can only strip someone of their citizenship if that person has a second nationality.

    If Person A has British and Iraqi citizenship then they can be stripped of their British citizenship. If Person B has only British citizenship then they can not be stripped of their British citizenship.

    There are other complications. Firstly she was a child when she joined ISIS. And was likely targeted by online extremists and groomed for radicalisation. In a manner she is more a victim of ISIS than a perpetrator of them.

    And in fact, long before it ever became an actual issue, in 2015 Bernard Hogan-Howe, Commissioner of the Metropolitan police, announced that if Begum, and two other girls who left at the same time, returned home they would be treated as victims and would not face prosecution. Now, to give the other side their due, he was slapped down a few days later by David Cameron about the same issue.

    So I personally would be of the belief that she should be allowed to return to the UK, deradicalised (and watched like a hawk).

  10. Paul

    Wherever Pete lives I always think of him as Essex man 😉

  11. Seamus

    I completely disagree with your analysis that she is a groomed victim of ISIS. The naive schoolgirl who should be sympathised with. She and her friends independently travelled across Europe and into a war zone in order to support terrorists. They were resourceful competent individuals. They made their travel arrangements a few weeks after the Paris mass murder attacks that killed 130 innocent civilians and were claimed by IS. These confident and competent youngg women KNEW exactly what they were supporting when they went out to become Jihadi brides. Indeed in her interview with the Times today this women openly claims she has no regrets and says she only became uncomfortable with IS when they started killing Muslims . In her words they were only supposed to slaughter non Muslims. She is an unrepentant fascist religious supremacist terror supporter, not a ‘victim’ in any way .

  12. Paul –

    It’s bucolic Hampshire.

    Seamus –

    In 2015 they were legally children, though old enough to understand what ISIS is about. Now Begum is an adult. The Home Secretary can make someone stateless but there is a check list of conditions to be met.

  13. ” They were resourceful competent individuals.”

    So was Patty Hearst.

    “In 2015 they were legally children, though old enough to understand what ISIS is about.”

    Sure, but they wouldn’t be the first to be duped. There is evidence of online grooming – that was released in 2015 when they first joined ISIS.

  14. Seamus –

    Yes, but they’re adults now, and adults are responsible for what they say and do. The grooming is now irrelevant.

  15. Seamus

    Do you believe they weren’t aware of the terrorist attacks in Paris in which scores of people were slaughtered in cold blood claimed by Islamic State. They made a conscious decision to support the people who carried out that attack. The deluded grooming claims are utter nonsense. This sympathetic excusing of their actions would never be afforded to Right wing white supremacist racists and shouldn’t be offere to Islamist bigots either even if they are teenagers.

  16. She, as a nineteen year old, has said she regrets nothing and her main motive for wanting to return seems to be the welfare of the forthcoming baby.

    Much like her claims at not being ‘fazed’ at seeing severed heads in rubbish bins that certainly doesn’t suggest ‘deradicalisation’ to me.

    IMO, she shouldn’t be allowed to return and if she is should be incarcerated in a Special Secure Unit for a very long time.

  17. Give her a Syrian passport and remove her U.K. one. The problem of ‘statelessness’ is resolved and then the Syrian authorities can prosecute her for the crimes she supports and enabled on their soil.

  18. Syrians would have to agree to that, which they won’t.

  19. “Do you believe they weren’t aware of the terrorist attacks in Paris in which scores of people were slaughtered in cold blood claimed by Islamic State.”

    I’m not under some illusion that these were wee altar girls. However there is a question of whether or not their de facto online indoctrination is responsible for their crimes.

  20. I said give her a Syrian passport, I didn’t say it had to be given to her by the Syrians…. 😉

  21. Seamus

    Being supposedly indoctrinated by others is not a defence in law. If they had been taken abroad by their parents and were part of a journey they hadn’t instigated you might have a point. That they organised and enacted their travel plans independently and indeed with subterfuge against their parents , friends and family, shows adult calculation, not ‘diminished responsibilty’. There is no defence to their crimes.

  22. “Being supposedly indoctrinated by others is not a defence in law.”

    It is when that indoctrination takes place when as a child.

  23. Seamus

    As far as I am aware the age of criminal responsibility in the U.K. is 10. Yes age will be taken into account for sentencing purposes but not for considering criminal ability. Only a mental assessment of diminished responsibilty can be used to mitigate a criminal conviction. The actions if these resourceful and deliberate young women do not suggest such mental impairment, coupled with the ideologically unrepentant interview of a now 19 year old adult.

  24. It would be virtually impossible to strip her of her nationality. She should be hit with an exclusion order.

  25. Colm,

    Give her a Syrian passport and remove her U.K. one.

    I don’t think the UK can give out Syrian passports Colm.

  26. Paul and David.

    Instead of an exclusion order How about we hit her with a giant Syrian passport made of lead…. after the baby is born of course. We are not savages you know 😉

  27. Too bad you don’t have legal means to say she constructively renounced her citizenship by join up with that crowd.

  28. Those who leave this country in order to take up arms for another country or ideology are not of this country. Muslims are not of this country, and neither are…….

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/british-mothers-battle-stress-of-having-children-in-idf-1.52847

    Twenty-one British mothers have banded together to help each other cope with the stresses of having children who serve in the Israel Defence Forces (IDF).

    There are more ‘British’ jews in the Israeli Army than in the British forces.

  29. ATTENTION MEN: STOP BUYING YOUR GIRLFRIEND FLOWERS AND PERFUME FOR VALENTINE’S DAY AND GET HER WHAT SHE REALLY WANTS. A SWORD!

  30. I would hella prefer a sword over flowers and chocolate. A weekly yard guy would be a good gift, too.

    A trip to the middle east and a passel of Isis babies, not so much.

  31. What type of Sword Daphne?

    You’ve peaked my interest….. Ornamental or Functional…..?

  32. I can highly recommend
    https://www.coldsteel.com/products/swords/cavalier-rapier.html

  33. “I don’t regret coming here,”

    So why does she want to come back ?

    And this is the thing. If you make a life changing decision you must be prepared to accept the consequences. Plus, we do not know if she has married again ? Because if she has then her husband, another ISIS terrorist, may have the right to come to the UK. Now, how many here would be happy to let a fox guard their hen house whilst they are not looking ? I am sorry, but I am not willing to take the risk.

  34. I understand she married a Danish born Jihadi. Surely as an obedient Islamic wife she must now be considered a Dane. Not a British problem anymore.

  35. //says she only became uncomfortable with IS when they started killing Muslims //

    If she can’t be barred from the country, she should be arrested on return. Otherwise it’s going to be that council flat with bins of beheaded heads outside.

  36. I understand she married a Danish born Jihadi

    I understood him to be Dutch? No matter, it’s still the fault of the EU, somehow.

  37. Ah yes Paul,you’ve stumbled across another solution. She can return to Brussells and stay in one of Junckers 7 glorious palaces !. Im sure harri would approve 🙂

  38. Noel,

    Otherwise it’s going to be that council flat with bins of beheaded heads outside.

    I know there are some rough council estates in the UK, but I didn’t realise things were that bad.

    Colm.
    FFS mate, don’t set Harri off on another anti EU rant.

  39. https://newsthump.com/2019/02/14/teenager-who-fled-the-empire-to-join-the-forces-of-khorne-the-blood-god-says-she-regrets-her-decision-and-just-wants-to-come-home/

    She can return to Brussells and stay in one of Junckers 7 glorious palaces !

    Yes, but which palace? I think it should be the one made from diamonds.

  40. Dave

    We could have a post on Penguins in the Antartic and that would still be enough to send harri on an anti EU rant 🙂

  41. Then again, Britain could simply take in as many of these Jihadi brides as possible, then pack off the lot as a special delegate team to negotiate Brexit in Brussels instead of Mrs. May.
    Boy, then you’ll see how the EU suddenly becomes enamoured of Brexit in any form.

  42. Colm,

    We could have a post on Penguins in the Antartic and that would still be enough to send harri on an anti EU rant 🙂

    Agreed. And he’d still manage to bring up the subject of Juncker’s drinks cabinet somehow. 😁

  43. Then pack off the lot as a special delegate team to negotiate Brexit in Brussels instead of Mrs. May.

    No need for tough negotiations Noel:

    The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want

    – Michael Gove, 9 April 2016

    There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside

    – David Davis, 10 October 2016

    Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards

    – John Redwood, 17 July 2016

    The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the EU should be one of the easiest in human history

    – Liam Fox, 20 July 2017

    Wee buns, as we say back home.

    An anti EU rant

    That’s not fair Colm. What about the Czech, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia and their Christmas markets?

  44. and stabbings in London !

  45. There are stabbings in London?

  46. Yes but usually whites aren’t hurt Allan so no need for you to lose any sleep over them… 😉