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HAS TRUMP LOST HIS MIND?

By Pete Moore On February 17th, 2019

Have we all lost our minds?

Donald Trump has told the EU it must take back its 800 Isis fighters captured in Syria by US-backed forces and put them on trial.

Trump tweeted: “The United States is asking Britain, France, Germany and other European allies to take back over 800 Isis fighters that we captured in Syria and put them on trial. The Caliphate is ready to fall. The alternative is not a good one in that we will be forced to release them.

Some are saying that so-called British jihadists are Britain’s problem. I’m sorry, when did we start importing people, with British passports, before they’ve faced justice where they’ve committed crimes?

If I commit a crime in the US I would expect to answer for it – in the US. I wouldn’t expect the British government to repatriate me before I’d been dealt with. Why are jihadists different? They have committed terrible, horrible crimes against Syrians, Kurds and Iraqis. Syrians, Kurds and Iraqis are therefore entitled to see justice done to their satisfaction.

Allowing these primitives to return is not only suicidal in security and national interest terms, it denies justice to those who have suffered at the hands of ISIS.

66 Responses to “HAS TRUMP LOST HIS MIND?”

  1. Absolutely agree.

  2. Good luck with that Pete. Unless the Kurds hand them over to Assad, in which case there will be no trials whatsoever.

  3. It shows what a complete farse European immigration “policy” is that this issue has even arisen.

    I presume that most of these people, from continental Europe at any rate, were relatively recent immigrants. They then chose to abandon their host country, and show complete contempt for its values and laws, to go off and chop people’s heads off in the name of some insane religious belief. Then, when their holy war doesn’t turn out the way they wanted and they can’t enslave millions as planned, they expect to come back and take up the Europeans on their offer of hospitality and protection once again.

  4. Then, when their holy war doesn’t turn out the way they wanted and they can’t enslave millions as planned, they expect to come back and take up the Europeans on their offer of hospitality and protection once again.

    I do wonder if these Jihadis see the irony in begging the Infidels for refuge and protection?

  5. You see here a fine example of Trump’s loyalty to his friends.

    These people caused great, irreparable harm to Syria and other countries.

    Show them the mercy that they showed to the Druse, the Shiite, the Yazidis, the Christians.

    Turn them over to Assad tomorrow morning.

  6. As on so many issues, Trump is wrong on this. The US could put them in Guantanamo where there is some free space.

  7. Agreed. They should face the music in the place the crimes were committed.

  8. If I remember correctly, when we had these types in the Gitmo prison, you wanted them back. Well, this President is not taking them to Gitmo, just like the libs wanted. You got ’em!

  9. Let the kurds execute them.

  10. Shamima Begum’s Dutch husband Yago Riedijk, was captured by Kurdish forces last September apparently, he was a member of a cell planning atrocities across Europe.

    He is a Dutch terrorist, she is British Jihadi wife who gave birth in Syria.

    She has shown absolutely no remorse, she is far too dangerous to return to a civilized Western country.

    Of what possible use could she now be to society?

    Apart from a massive drain on the taxpayer, and security services.

    Britain needs its own Guantanamo Bay complex, God knows we have more than enough Jihadis to fill it to the rafters.

  11. Dogisgreat, on February 17th, 2019 at 8:07 PM Said:
    Let the kurds execute them.

    Inshallah

  12. Charles – liberals aren’t asking for these people to be takenjoyed to Gitmo.

  13. Britain needs its own Guantanamo Bay complex,

    There’s here…..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Georgia_and_the_South_Sandwich_Islands

  14. They are Prisoners of War Prisoners of War get returned to their country when the fighting stops…..

    Hey if your countries don’t want them back you shouldn’t have made them citizens.

  15. In any case, it looks all over for the US as we knew it. In 2020, when the last Republican President loses because he lost his nerve, and his base – and a wall needs a base – then the white-hating left will let rip……

    http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-verdict-is-in-trumps-busted-flush.html

    If the analysis (by Ann Coulter and Pat Buchanan among others) of the latest Bill that Trump signed is accurate then indeed we can finally put the last nail in the coffin of the Trump Revolution. Because that Bill appears to expressly forbid the building of The Wall, contains a de facto amnesty and opens the door to massive future immigration abuse through ‘family reunion’, ‘legal immigration’ and other such loopholes. Nothing has been done about the H1B visa scam which is devastating the employment prospects of American STEM graduates and changing forever the demographic profile of the country.

    It might seem melodramatic but I don’t see a way back for the USA. The demographic trend is inexorable and will go into overdrive with this new Bill. In the next Presidential election it should mean that Texas, Georgia and Florida will tip to the Dems which will result in the borders being thrown open even more widely. If that’s possible. Realistically Republicans might never control Congress or the Presidency again. Which in turn means the Dems will flood the courts and alphabet agencies with their own apparatchiks. And America becomes Brazil or Mexico within a few generations.

    Ann Coulter was the only supporter of Trump from the outset, but she reckons it’s all over……

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6710831/Ann-Coulter-Donald-Trump-war-words-border-says-barely-knows-her.html

    Coulter has complained that Trump is yielding to pressures to provide eventual ‘amnesty’ to illegal immigrants. She said he is ‘just fooling the rubes with a national emergency,’ which will be contested in court.

    Coulter also blasted him on KABC radio, the DailyBeast reported. She said ‘the country is over’ and was appreciative that Trump ‘relieved me any responsibility for what he’s been doing’ by putting distance between them.

  16. Maybe Coulter will join the exodus to Canada?

  17. yeah just wish those who say the will leave would…..

  18. The fact that Trump is no longer listening to the like of Coulter is a good thing.

  19. Coulter Is a completely disgusting human being. She’s always been that.

    https://thinkprogress.org/coulter-on-9-11-widows-i-have-never-seen-people-enjoying-their-husbands-death-so-much-d81ed283811c/

  20. Lets look at Britain, France, Germany and other European allies shall we…..

    Trump’s announcement he would soon pull American troops out of Syria has left allies scratching their heads about how to prevent further chaos and instability there.

    French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian — whose country contributes about 1,200 troops in the region — asked why the US would create a power vacuum that could benefit its declared enemy Iran, calling it a “mystery”.

    Where was this complaint when Obama caused the vacuum that allowed them to gain control?

    A French government source criticised the Trump administration’s approach as “we’re leaving, you’re staying” and added: “They’re trying to manage the consequences of a hasty decision and making us carry the responsibility.”

    Ahhh too bad ain’t it…. you can’t defend yourselves let alone project power so we’re expected to carry your load in the ME as well as Europe? Screw you, you want to fight in Syria go right ahead we won’t stop you.

    In his main speech Saturday, Pence delivered more stern advice for other nations in Europe and beyond.

    He reiterated Washington’s contention that Iran was planning a new “Holocaust” and told European powers to scrap the 2015 nuclear agreement with Tehran that Trump ripped up last year.

    He also criticised a recent initiative of France, Germany and Britain to allow European companies to continue business operations in the Islamic republic despite US sanctions.

    France, Britain and Germany……. Would rather do business with Iran than the U.S. that’s fine. Every country and company that violates OUR Sanctions will be penalized by the U.S..

    It is your choice…. do as you want, but don’t complain when there are consequences.

    Pence praised some NATO allies for having raised defence spending but reminded others that their contributions were still falling short of the target of two per cent of GDP.

    And he reiterated strong US opposition to the Russia-Germany gas pipeline Nord Stream 2 being built that Trump has charged makes the largest EU economy a “captive” of Russia.

    “The United States commends all our European partners who have taken a strong stance against Nord Stream 2, and we commend others to do the same,” Pence said.

    He went on to also criticise pending weapons purchases by NATO allies “from our adversaries” — seen by Moscow media as a reference to a planned Russia-Turkey arms deal.

    “We cannot ensure the defence of the West if our allies grow dependent on the East,” Pence said.

    Once again you Euroweenies refuse to pay your share of YOUR defence, and you’re buying from the enemy…….

    The EU, Britain, and NATO all want the U.S. to carry the load of Equipment, Men and Money in their defence, but refuse to cooperate with the U.S. in what we believe is the way to keep the world safe.

    Each of your nations are free to do just that. Don’t complain about it when there are consequences, and there will be consequences. The 800 ISIS fighters all hold passports to your countries. Your countries gave them those passports, your countries have no military forces strong enough to make a difference in anything. You add TOKENS to the fight nothing more. You have all dismantled your military and put it on our shoulders yet you refuse to even pay your share in money.

    Choices have Consequences. If you don’t like the consequences make better choices.

  21. Peter, on February 17th, 2019 at 9:14 PM Said:

    Maybe Coulter will join the exodus to Canada?

    Trudeau’s Canada currently is, and will be even more fucked-up than Ocasio-Cortez’s Mexico Norde. Anyway, in the former US there shall be enough armed whites to form their own country out of the wreckage.

    I had to laugh at this……..

    https://dailystormer.name/help-us-escape-ask-canadians-trapped-in-haiti-during-massive-street-violence/

    These missionaries and nurses from Canada decided that what the world really needed to be a better place was for Haiti to receive additional resources from white people even after Haiti killed all the white people in Haiti.

    This is what they get for being traitors to their own.

    They’re trapped in hell now.

    CNN:

    A group of 24 Canadian missionaries and another of nurses are among visitors stranded in Haiti by ongoing street protests sweeping through the Caribbean country……

    Meanwhile, an additional group of eight Canadian who were also trapped inside their charity’s compound have secured a helicopter to take them out of the country. The nurses started a crowdfunding appeal this week, asking the public to “help us escape.”

    But why can’t these ‘missionaries’ just go outside? Ah – it’s because society is a racial construct

  22. Let this be evident as to what would have been the fate of Americans if Hitler had not been defeated….

    https://twitter.com/heyitsjojobo/status/1096493778985209856

    Josef Bosch
    ‏ @heyitsjojobo

    This promo image from Man in the High Castle is supposed to be jarring… but I literally know a white woman under thirty who flies an Israeli flag from her porch.

    We’re ALREADY occupied.

  23. And the illustration below shows why Ann Coulter is correct to state that Trump is the last Republican President and that “the country is over”…….

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/190786c46500f1f7894a25f1a4c8d3198e115f8a71bae3e190e7257fac9e880f.jpg

  24. First off, not that President Trump said, ‘EU Countries’. Not Germany, France, the UK etc. Just EU !

    Second. We can move these people next door to this lot :

    https://www.rt.com/uk/439260-white-helmets-resettled-uk/

    I mean, what’s the difference ?

    I don’t worry about man destroying the planet, not when he is, in all respects, likely to destroy himself first.

  25. Pete

    Some are saying that so-called British jihadists are Britain’s problem. I’m sorry, when did we start importing people, with British passports, before they’ve faced justice where they’ve committed crimes?

    But are the countries where they committed their crimes going to prosecute them and punish them? Or are they just going to treat them as prisoners of war and send them back to their countries of origin?

  26. Very many of them committed their crimes in Syria.

    Turn them all over to the Syrian government, without delay.

    No need to overthink any of this.

  27. I’m not overthinking anything phantom, it was a simple question. Does the Syrian government want to take responsibility for the punishment and imprisonment of these people?

  28. I don’t know.

    I might imagine that they would want the opportunity to mete out justice to those that caused so much ruin.

    I also bet that if they were handed over, that some in the human rights industry would complain that it was in some way unfair.

  29. There are no great solutions over there.

    If I were European, I’d have zero interest in conducting trials for these animals.

    The only regret of these people is that Islamic State was not victorious.

    Show no mercy for those who showed no mercy.

  30. Phantom,

    I don’t know.

    Exactly. So like everybody else, you don’t actually have a solution to this problem.

  31. Completely incorrect.

    I propose to turn them over to Assad.

    The one thing that I would never do is to take any of them back into the West to live among normal people. It would be a grave crime to do that.

  32. Syria has a government.

    That government, like all lawful governments, should be given every opportunity to administer justice to those who committed crimes in their land, in whatever manner they see fit. If they don’t wish to do so, we’ll create a Plan B.

    We should cooperate with the Assad government.

    No one has any alternatives as to the nature of the Assad regime, but it is the best alternative that will exist there.

  33. Phantom,

    Completely incorrect.

    I propose to turn them over to Assad.

    And if Assad won’t take them?

  34. There is no reason to believe that he won’t take them. He hasn’t exactly shied away from taking on any of his other enemies.

    Here, he’d be doing justice for Syrians and would be doing Europe a huge favor.

  35. Why would he wish to do either?

  36. If captured in a theatre of war they have to be treated as POWs unless war crimes can be proven against certain fighters individually, and I’d say that’d be pretty hard to prove against most of them.

    I hope at least the Kurds, Yanks, Syrians etc are collecting evidence from fleeing civilians to prosecute the head-choppers.

  37. Phantom,

    There is no reason to believe that he won’t take them.

    I see mate, so you have a solution, and it’s called wishful thinking. Good luck with that.

    I genuinely hope you’re right and that he will take them, because I really don’t want to see them back in the UK. but if that’s not the case, then the UK will have no choice but to bring them back.

  38. Those for whom war crimes can be proven against should be tried in the Hague. Those who can’t should be returned home, imprisoned and forced to go through what ever the ISIS equivalent of Denazification. If they have committed crimes in their home countries as well then they should be prosecuted for those.

  39. He can’t take them back if we don’t offer to send them to him.

    The befuddled Imposter isn’t suggesting that.

    Loyal friend to Europe that he is, he wants you to have them back in your societies

  40. I genuinely hope you’re right and that he will take them, because I really don’t want to see them back in the UK. but if that’s not the case, then the UK will have no choice but to bring them back.

    Difficult to argue with that.

    I assume in most cases, these Jihadis have family, let them bear the financial burden of looking after them, at the very least, no free stuff on the backs of the very tax paying law abiding society they despise.

  41. Giving them back to Assad lends him legitimacy. The majority of the heavy lifting in defeating ISIS was done by the Kurds. The Syrian government played little real role in defeating them. However give the captured ISIS fighters to Assad and he will put them on show trials and play a fiction that it was he who defeated ISIS. It will substantially strengthen his position.

  42. Don’t be surprised if a number of their families have little means or are on the benefits.

    Just a hunch.

  43. If someone freely admits, that seeing heads in dustbins doesn’t “faze them” or “it will be “difficult to rehabilitate me”?

    Then it doesn’t require a degree in psychology to know there is a serious problem?

    I don’t suppose these young Jihadis having the IQ only slightly higher than a cabbage helps much.

  44. Phantom.

    In Shamina Begums defence, her Islamic brainwashing started early.

    Her so-called father taking her on American flag burning marches, and other anti western hate filled protests probably wasn’t the best start in life.

  45. Of course, you could always just leave them where they are in their utopian Islamic shitholes, and let Allah look after thier best interests.

  46. Harri,

    Her so-called father taking her on American flag burning marches, and other anti western hate filled protests probably wasn’t the best start in life.

    Her father is an absolute c*** of the first order. He blames everyone but himself and his daughter for this situation and her radicalisation. Despite the fact he used to attend extremist rallies with her, and was friendly with the likes of Anjem Choudary and Michael Adebowale, one of the killers of Lee Rigby. He is also a supporter of extremist Islam ideology, although he claims to have changed his view on this.
    If I had my way, it wouldn’t be a question of whether or not she comes back into the UK, I’d be kicking him out of the country to join her.

  47. I also bet that if they were handed over, that some in the human rights industry would complain that it was in some way unfair

    They probably would and rightly so. Torture is banned under international law as is arbitrary execution. Would the right to a fair trial also be guaranteed? Like most here I don’t think think that those who went to fight for ISIS should be allowed back but even fighting for those animals doesn’t mean that international legal norms and protocols should be waived. Were this to happen it would be only vengence as opposed to justice.

    The ‘they made their own bed, let them lie in it’ is the most normal reaction to those that went to fight or support one of the most brutally evil forces in human history but it’s a bit more nuanced than that. What, as Dave says above, Assad doesn’t want them tried in Syria, (presuming all international norms are satisfied), if they have dual nationality what if the other country in question wants to strip them of their nationality too etc?

  48. How to make friends and influence people.

    Especially those civilized people you are begging to help you.

    Apparently, she has now named her baby after some Islamic warlord, who slaughtered infidels.

    Jerah?

    And, the Islamic Jihad massacre of 22 chi!dren at Manchester, was absolutely justified.

    Leave her to rot in her stone age Islamic shithole.

  49. If I had my way, it wouldn’t be a question of whether or not she comes back into the UK, I’d be kicking him out of the country to join her.

    Nail on head.

  50. I don’t know what her or her father’s background is, and how long they’d been in the UK.

    But one of the most depressing things that has come to light over the past decades of Jihadi antics in the West is how many of them are radicalised precisely in liberal western countries, radicalised by society here. The 9-11 terrorists, the Boston bombers, Lee Rigby’s killers, the Madrid train massacre, and hundres of other attacks were all done by people who were radicalised in the west.

    There’s good reason to believe that if this girl or her parents had never settled in Britain, she would probably be simply living and let living in some distant Islamic country and with all notions of Jihad far from her tiny mind.

    But instead people like her are murdering and themselves being killed.

    The conclusion is obvious. Any Muslim who shows the slightest militancy should not be allowed enter western society. Any nationality granted to foreigners (yes, also to Poles, Chinese and Irish etc) should be subject to withdrawal at any time if the individual concerned breaks the law, shows contempt for the host society, engages in those mad hate sessions or runs off to do Jihad etc. He or she should then be kicked out or kept out of the country for good.

  51. Well said Noel.
    But the problem is, many of those extremists are UK born. Where do you kick them out to?

  52. Any nationality granted to foreigners (yes, also to Poles, Chinese and Irish etc) should be subject to withdrawal at any time if the individual concerned breaks the law, shows contempt for the host society, engages in those mad hate sessions or runs off to do Jihad etc. He or she should then be kicked out or kept out of the country for good.

    Entirely correct.

    And I further question whether murderous / genocidal propaganda as promoted by some of them should be allowed in any venue.

    The British executed Lord Haw Haw, then, while today jihad, a similar murderous, conquering ideology to Nazism is promoted in the open.

  53. Lord Haw Haw was executed for treason. He was a British national and had collaborated with Nazi Germany when it was at war with Britain.

    It’s difficult to curtail murderous propaganda without at the same time curtailing free speech. Americans on ATW are always criticising the UK for its restrictions on free speech.
    But introducing “hate crime” laws is, as far as I can see, the only way of fighting the madness that infects so many Muslims living in the west.

    Close surveillance and profiling etc are also the way to go.

  54. Noel

    But introducing “hate crime” laws is, as far as I can see, the only way of fighting the madness that infects so many Muslims living in the west.

    Funny thing is, these ‘Hate Crime Laws’ do not seem to be used much against the people you consider they should be used to control.

  55. There was a counter extremism expert talking about this issue the other day. And he is afraid that many of these proposals (natural and understandable as they may be) will in fact engender further radicalisation of British Muslims.

    One of the major causes of radicalisation is a sense of not belonging to the UK, not belonging to Britain. And when a Muslim commits a crime there are calls for them to be sent away, to have their citizenship revoked etc… yet not when it is other people.

    No one in the UK, as far as I can tell, has suggested that Thomas Mair and people who share a similar ideology to Mair, should be stripped of their citizenship.

    Greater integration is a key to preventing radicalisation. But also ending what can be perceived or real grievances against Muslims in the west is also key to it.

  56. Noel

    It’s difficult to curtail murderous propaganda without at the same time curtailing free speech. Americans on ATW are always criticising the UK for its restrictions on free speech.
    But introducing “hate crime” laws is, as far as I can see, the only way of fighting the madness that infects so many Muslims living in the west.

    As I’ve said before, I’m a massive supporter of free speech. Which means I believe Muslims should be allowed despite their extremist crap along with Holocaust deniers, whether I like it or not. When it comes to free speech it’s either all ok or none of it is.
    Labelling things that hate crimes is also a slippery slope. Who decides what is, and isn’t a hate crime. We’ve already seen this legislation abused in the UK.
    Sadly, I don’t have the solution to the problem of extremists.

  57. I think no one supports full unadulterated free speech. I think the old “free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theatre”. So it comes down to determining what is “shouting fire in a theatre” and what is not.

  58. Seamus,

    I think no one supports full unadulterated free speech.

    Groan. Let’s not have this conversation on ATW again please mate.
    As I said before, as long as we speech doesn’t directly cause harm, (such as the shouting fire example), then in my opinion, it should be tolerated.

  59. //Greater integration is a key to preventing radicalisation.//

    I doubt it.

    After all, it isn’t as if this unwillingness to integrate is a particularly Muslim thing.
    We Irish should be aware more than most of how absence makes the heart grow fonder, and the way identity with the home folk and country often thrives best in exile.

    If you take the generation of the Irish war of independence, for example, One very curious thing (IMO) is how many of the key players had spent time abroad, were born abroad or radicalised abroad. Collins, MacDermott, maybe also Plunkett were radicalised in England (probably Clark too, but 20 years in a Victorian cell was probably enough to radicalise anyone :-)). Connolly and Dev and Clark were born outside Ireland. There were in fact very few of the leaders who didn’t have some foreign dimension in their lives.
    And the 1st generation IRA was full of people who returned to fight.
    I also happen to know many Irish people abroad who became fervent Republicans whereas while in Ireland they used to vote Fine Gael.

    I very much doubt it’s a matter of alienation. It seems to be more a question of looking for some spiritual home, or even identity self-preening.

    Besides, let’s face it, British Muslims are present at all levels of society and politics in the UK. There are probably few immigrant societies who are so well integrated and if someone feels left out they probably have nobody but themselves to blame.

  60. “As I said before, as long as we speech doesn’t directly cause harm, (such as the shouting fire example), then in my opinion, it should be tolerated.”

    What do you mean by harm? An argument could be caused that most forms of hate speech, and things like radical Islam etc… cause harm.

    And for what its worth I don’t disagree. But you did yourself there. Every is generally in the same boat of “I support free speech but…”. Free speech, completely free speech, would protect speech that causes harm.

  61. “There are probably few immigrant societies who are so well integrated and if someone feels left out they probably have nobody but themselves to blame.”

    I’d disagree. If a out and out, no real recent history of immigration, British person joined a terrorist organisation, or spouted hate left right and centre, then very few people would say they should be kicked out of the country.

    I don’t recall anyone arguing that UVF and UDA members should lose their citizenship.

    But when Muslims do it the calls inevitably come out (even when those Muslims are British citizens and only British citizens). There seems to be an automatic reflex in some parts of assuming that Muslims aren’t real Brits.

  62. There seems to be an automatic reflex in some parts of assuming that Muslims aren’t real Brits.

    They’re not. Islam is a horrible and alien set of beliefs. It isn’t of this land and will never be welcome. “British” is more than the holding of a passport.

  63. Thank you for providing evidence of my point Pete.

  64. That’s not evidence because mine is not an automatic reflex.

  65. Seamus,

    Thank you for providing evidence of my point Pete.

    LOL. He never disappoints.

  66. British Muslims are present at all levels of society and politics in the UK. There are probably few immigrant societies who are so well integrated

    The muzz integrate themselves very well with British girls, easily overcoming any reservations that those young girls would have. The muzz are pakis, because……

    https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12040/10301275/amir-khan-keen-to-represent-pakistan-at-olympic-games-in-rio

    Amir Khan says he “would love” to fight for Pakistan at the Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro.

    “It will help boxers and if I am permitted as per rules and from my promoter then I would love to compete for Pakistan. I will be very happy if I can compete in the Olympics. I want to serve Pakistan.”

    Occasionally though, the flag of convenience can be a drawback

    Khan’s younger brother, Haroon, was blocked from representing Pakistan at the 2012 London Olympics as he had represented Great Britain at junior level.

    Revealing these facts was an automatic reflex

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