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THREE LIBDEMS CROSS THE FLOOR

By Pete Moore On February 20th, 2019

Three Tory MPs have finally realised they joined the wrong party. Anna “ten cats” Soubry, Sarah Wollaston and Heidi Allen have left the Tories to join the seven ex-Labour MPs as an independent group. It’s a slap in the face for the LibDems really, which is the natural home for this trio.

Of course Brexit is what tipped them over the edge, though to be honest most things tip Soubry over it. Having pledged to deliver Brexit at the 2017 General Election, they’ve spent every minute since trying to stop it. So they’ve hitched their petticoats and flounced out.

At a press conference on Wednesday, Ms Soubry criticised Theresa May for being “in the grip” of the Democratic Unionist Party and the pro-Leave European Research Group, and allowing Brexit to “define and shape” the Conservative Party.

She said: “The battle is over, the other side has won.

“The right wing, the hard-line anti-EU awkward squad that have destroyed every leader for the last 40 years are now running the Conservative Party from top to toe. They are the Conservative Party.”

If only, but then she is a crackpot. Apparently it’s “right wing” to want to live in a sovereign, independent and self-governing party. Maybe it is, because these EU-jihadists are anything but conservative. We’re talking the outer fringes of the wet Tory left here.

Soubry’s just been on LBC saying that she has “more in common” with Chris Leslie, one of the Labour MPs who resigned yesterday, than with other Tories. At least she’s finally woken up to her own personal reality.

53 Responses to “THREE LIBDEMS CROSS THE FLOOR”

  1. BREXIT is proving to be the gift that just keeps on giving. The sooner British politics has purged itself of all the Blairites the better. Labour are well on the way and, hopefully, the Tories can at long last make a real start. British politics does not suffer fools, it is adversarial in its nature and only those that have deep and proven convictions can stand its rough and tumble. Soubry and others did not have either the belief of their convictions, they never stood for anything other than themselves, they have been outed as charlatans by their respective parties.

    One final thing of note and I read it from someone else. We should note that they are calling themselves the Independence Group and not Party. I am given to understand that they have formed a Limited Company and, have as yet not officially, unlike Nigel Farage and the BREXIT Party, formed and registered with the Electoral Commission their own party. It is said that this is because they wish to keep those who are financing them secret as in the UK all political parties must declare where their funding comes from. This is highly suspicious especially from people who left because they did not like the practices and morals of their former parties.

    These people are nothing but willing tools of far larger shadowy figures and I am sure we will come to know more as time passes.

  2. The sooner British politics has purged itself of all the Blairites the better. Labour are well on the way and, hopefully, the Tories can at long last make a real start.

    Somewhat simplistic Mark. You should be careful what you wish for.

  3. “The battle is over, the other side has won.”

    Well, yes. There was a referendum and the ‘other side’ won. It appears to have taken these boll-weevils nearly three years to realise that, but it’s far from over.

  4. These 3 individuals are genuine Conservatives in both the historic sensible political party legacy of the term and the time honoured English meaning of the word. It is the fanatical ERG nihilistic wreckers who shouldn’t be calling themselves Conservatives.

  5. Fraser Nelson at The Spectator has a thoughtful take on this, as we would expect:

    “There is nothing for Conservatives to cheer about today. The UK political system means that internal coalitions are required in order to avoid the need for external ones. The three departees are Remainers on the party’s left, but to win, the Conservatives need those people as much as they need Brexiteers on the right…

    As James Forsyth wrote recently, May has almost no agenda save for Brexit: she has let everything else decay. The party doesn’t seem to stand for anything other than Brexit…

    Anna Soubry was also right to denounce the shameful treatment of EU nationals and how this has come to symbolise a cold-hearted Brexit. Of the five Tories who stood for the party leadership in 2016, only Theresa May said EU nationals should not be granted immediate assurances. It was a disgusting decision, perhaps the worst policy blunder she has made: not a single Brexiteer proposed this. Soubry was also right to say that Mrs May could and should have been conciliatory after her own conversion to Brexit. Her decision to then pose as a Brexit Boudica and call an election to crush the saboteurs was also awful, and led directly to this mess…”

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/what-todays-defections-can-teach-the-tories/

  6. If this is the beginning of a party for Remainers it is about time. By now Remainers are probably the majority and will grow as the bad economic news continues. Brexit is the most important issue of this generation and it is right there are parties representing both sides. Somebody like Soubry would soon make mincemeat of the likes of the ERG and DUP.

  7. Colm
    These 3 individuals are genuine Conservatives . . .

    Then let them stand for re-election on that platform. I’d doubt they’d win, do you ?

    Allan

    . . . but it’s far from over.

    Too true !

    New Yorker

    If this is the beginning of a party for Remainers it is about time.

    Correct. We need to put all our trash in one place. Makes it easier to get rid of. As for the rest, I am sorry but I disagree very strongly. Remainers in Parliament may be, but in the country ? No !

  8. Mark

    They don’t need to stand for re-election. In the U.K. We elect individual candidates to Parliament, we don’t elect from party lists. or specifically for parties. An MP is perfectly entitled to change or leave parties during the parliamentary term. The electorate can then decide on their record at the subsequent general election to keep or boot them out.

  9. PS , opinion poll surveys do show that remain now has a real albeit small lead over leave amongst the public.

  10. Colm

    People cast their votes according to what party a candidate stands for and its manifesto. We do not elect individual candidates standing as individuals but as representatives of political parties. They stand on that manifesto and its promises and, if the electorate like that, they get the most votes and wins.

    Those that have left the Tory party and are now complaining about a, BLUKIP in it might like to ask themselves as to how such a thing could happen ? May I suggest this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/06/david-cameron-defectors-ukip-appeal-vote-tories-general-election

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11518250/David-Cameron-tells-Ukip-voters-its-time-to-come-home.html

    So its OK to ask for UKIP voters to defect to the Tories to get them into power but, when those same voters put MP’s like, Soubry into office somehow they can be ignored. Makes a bit of a mockery of the system.

    At least when Reckless and Carswell defected to UKIP they had the decency to ask those who elected them to re-elect them. So yes, they do not have to but, I would respect them and their reasons for leaving if they did.

    And I notice no one has decided to comment on the fact that they are calling themselves a GROUP and not a party ? The silence from you Europhiles iss deafening 😉

  11. Colm
    PS , opinion poll surveys do show that remain now has a real albeit small lead over leave amongst the public.

    And pinion poll surveys prior to the Referendum showed Remain in a far more of a lead.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-how-right-or-wrong-were-the-polls/

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/how-eu-referendum-pollsters-wrong-opinion-predict-close

  12. //And I notice no one has decided to comment on the fact that they are calling themselves a GROUP and not a party ? The silence from you Europhiles iss //

    Actually, it was THIS Europhile you who first mentioned it to YOU. Keep up.

    BTW Mark, who do you think is more afraid of a new referendum – Brexiters or Remainers?

  13. Noel

    My concern, not fear, is that we will get an outcome that will be just as close as before. The problem is, irrespective of the result, more and more people will become embittered and resentful. That is not good to public order.

    The problem with the UK’s membership is that it was all based on lies. Not what someone said way back when, or what was on a poster, flyer or bus. It was what was said in a Civil Service memo, stating that the politicians of the day must keep from the British people the true nature of the then EEC. It was, as Dr. Richard North’s book title stated, The Great Deception.

    It has become clear to the people of the United Kingdom that we have been deceived. Not only that, we have been deceived by those we place our trust in most. That is very hurtful.

    We can have a hundred referendums with any amount of results, it will not change the fact that, because of the aforementioned, we must Leave.

  14. Allan

    . . . but it’s far from over.

    Too true !

    Well, didn’t the Nige say prior to the referendum that in the event of a narrow 48/52 split in favour of Remain it would be ‘unfinished business’ for Leave?

    Sauce for the goose and all that.

    They don’t need to stand for re-election

    It isn’t necessary for them to stand for re-election until the next GE Colm but my personal opinion is that if an elected representative resigns from a party that in the interests of personal integrity they should also resign from the office and stand in a bi election. I know that with some of the Labour defectors there had been some rumblings of them being deselected for the next GE by their constituency parties.

    And I notice no one has decided to comment on the fact that they are calling themselves a GROUP and not a party ?

    I’d say that’s due to the fact that they they’ve just jumped ship and don’t have a constitution, leader, definitive policies, whip, officer board etc, those things that political parties have, in place yet.

    BTW Mark, who do you think is more afraid of a new referendum – Brexiters or Remainers?

    Brexis are terrified of it. That’s why they love to try to shout about ‘democracy’ in order to gloss over the Nige’s 48/52 split and all the other lies they told prior to the referendum about remaining in the EEA, the CU etc.

  15. But good argument, Mark, at 10:55

  16. My concern, not fear, is that we will get an outcome that will be just as close as before. The problem is, irrespective of the result, more and more people will become embittered and resentful. That is not good to public order.

    All the more reason to compromise in terms of a Switzerland / Norway / EEA /CU etc solution to the problem. If you go for an either / or solution you’re always going to have huge swathes of a polarised society embittered and resentful.

  17. Noel

    Thanks.

    Paul

    I was all for the EEA Option as it delivered most of what we wanted and would have meant we would have been out of the EU sooner. But Remainder May, proply wanting to appease the Eurosceptics in her party went and ruled that out. As I have always argued, it is Remain that is cocking this up, not Leave. As for Nigel Farage, who does he speak for ? If the referendum went the other way I would be seriously looking at Leaving the UK and becoming a Swiss citizen. The UK would have been finished in less than 10 years. I believe this because Edward Heath stated, from his own lips, that had it not been for the oil crisis in the 70’s the UK and France would have gone for full political, economic and monetary UNION.

  18. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

    Farage told the Mirror: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”

  19. But Remainder May, proply wanting to appease the Eurosceptics in her party went and ruled that out.

    So it’s May as opposed to the ‘Eurosceptics’ screaming out means out (even though they were screaming a different tune prior to the referendum) who is ‘cocking it up?’

    Bizarre analysis.

    At the time he spoke of ‘unfinished business’ he spoke for almost 4,000,000 voters and darling of Leave.EU and general (unnofficial) face of Brexit.

  20. Paul McMahon, on March 26th, 2018 at 7:38 PM Said:

    I’ve always said that the only thing that interests me regarding Brexit is it’s affects on Ireland and a vague notion of Scottish independence. If these can be overcome and the Brits go then I really do wish the Brits all the best as outsiders – and I mean that sincerely.

    Hmmmmmmm.

    😏

  21. Paul McMahon, on February 20th, 2019 at 7:22 PM Said:

    Probaby for the first time in your life on this blog you’ve convinced me about something and now got me interested in the wider aspects of Brexit and not just its effects on Ireland.

    Go you!!

    Now, I’ve read the article several times and can’t seem to grasp how it’s ‘wonderful news’ so could you enlighten me as to the wonderfulness of the aforementioned news of the go ahead for the expansion of a dock in Essex?

    Have they secured the private funding for it?

    Wil it take shipping traffic away from Dover which is only seventy miles away?

    Do you trust the competence of the Minister in light of his previous monumental fuck ups?

    Will there be enough trade to justify its expansion?

    Will it have any effect on WTO no deal import / export tariffs?

    Go on, do tell.

    Congratulate yourself, you’ve aroused my curiousity.

    Hope that helps

    😉

  22. But, but, but..

    Paul McMahon, on March 26th, 2018 at 7:38 PM Said:

    I’ve always said that the only thing that interests me regarding Brexit is it’s affects on Ireland and a vague notion of Scottish independence. If these can be overcome and the Brits go then I really do wish the Brits all the best as outsiders – and I mean that sincerely.

    😂

  23. Are you not able to grasp plain English:

    Probaby for the first time in your life on this blog you’ve convinced me about something and now got me interested in the wider aspects of Brexit and not just its effects on Ireland.

    Go you!!

    and that things may possibly change in the space of almost a year or is that that stutter of yours again?

  24. and that things may possibly change in the space of almost a year or is that that stutter of yours again?

    Changed?

    You haven’t stopped whinging & whining about Brexit..

    Lol!

    😁

  25. Harri, countering made up rubbish and propaganda regurgitation about ‘Ze Commission’ with facts isn’t whinging & whining. It’s putting Lie Mail and sExpress ‘readers’ who swallow all that bollocks because it confirms their own prejudices and expect others to be dumb enough to swallow it too right.

  26. sExpress

    😂

    All my own work

    PaulMcMahon..agaed 12…and a half

    Yawn..

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Borrriiinngg!

  27. Harri, countering made up rubbish and propaganda regurgitation

    “The Nige”

    “Unfinished business”

    Blah, blah, blah, blah

    Yawn

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

    😁

  28. Paul McMahon, on March 26th, 2018 at 7:38 PM Said:

    I’ve always said that the only thing that interests me regarding Brexit is it’s affects on Ireland and a vague notion of Scottish independence. If these can be overcome and the Brits go then I really do wish the Brits all the best as outsiders – and I mean that sincerely.

    Delicious comedy gold..

    Here…

    https://goo.gl/images/gUQv2V

  29. Harri, your stutter’s getting worse:

    Paul McMahon, on February 20th, 2019 at 7:22 PM Said:

    Probaby for the first time in your life on this blog you’ve convinced me about something and now got me interested in the wider aspects of Brexit and not just its effects on Ireland.

    Go you!!

    sExpress

    Ah yes, the sExpress:

    Harri, on February 9th, 2019 at 1:52 PM Said:

    […] Does the “free trade area” laughably also known as just a %common market” give orders then?

    If they do, it obviously doesn’t apply to the Fatherland.

    How Merkel’s Germany is legally ALLOWED TO IGNORE EU rules all other nations cave in to
    EUROPEAN Union bosses show a flagrant disregard for their own rules by allowing Germany to ignore the bloc’s laws that other weaker countries are forced to abide by, Express.co.uk can reveal today.
    By JOE BARNES, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1084402/EU-news-Germany-Angela-Merkel-European-Commission-law-rule-Court-of-Justice

    Paul McMahon, on February 9th, 2019 at 2:12 PM Said:

    How Merkel’s Germany is legally ALLOWED TO IGNORE EU rules all other nations cave in to
    EUROPEAN Union bosses show a flagrant disregard for their own rules by allowing Germany to ignore the bloc’s laws that other weaker countries are forced to abide by, Express.co.uk can reveal today

    Isn’t it great how the sExpress helpfully put the point they’re trying to push in caps just in case their high information ‘readers’ can’t grasp it?

    Express.co.uk can reveal today

    Yeah, just 8 years later 🙂

    https://eutopialaw.com/2011/10/24/%E2%80%9Cthe-german-constitutional-court-versus-the-eu-self-assertion-in-theory-and-submission-in-practice-%E2%80%93-euro-aid-and-financial-guarantees-part-1/

    🙂

    See my point about putting right low information Lie Mail and sExpress ‘reading’ dolts like yourself who swallow any bollocks handed to them and then expect others to be as gullible.

  30. Colm, on February 21st, 2019 at 8:19 AM Said:

    PS , opinion poll surveys do show that remain now has a real albeit small lead over leave amongst the public.

    I believe that to have been the case prior to the referendum. Obviously, these organisations are echo-chambers and they only poll themselves.

    Well, didn’t the Nige say prior to the referendum that in the event of a narrow 48/52 split in favour of Remain it would be ‘unfinished business’ for Leave?

    I don’t have a problem with a Re-join movement, but the referendum should be respected and implemented – and then they can start their efforts to persuade Britons to re-join the EU instead of all this underhanded politicking.

  31. See my point about putting right low information Lie Mail and sExpress ‘reading’ dolts like yourself who swallow any bollocks handed to them and then expect others to be as gullible.

    Paul Mc Mahon

    Aged 12..and a half

    😂

  32. I don’t have a problem with a Re-join movement, but the referendum should be respected and implemented – and then they can start their efforts to persuade Britons to re-join the EU instead of all this underhanded politicking

    I suspect that’s a bit of ‘underhanded politicking’ dressed up as apparent reason. Brexiteers above the level of the tabloid gutter press reading hoi polli are fully aware that once the precedent is set and the UK leaves there is little to no chance of it ever being readmitted as readmission would require a unanimous vote in the Council and after the extreme bad faith of Brexiteers in the wake of the referendum there is little chance of this ever happening.

    Also, if the UK was to be ever readmitted to the EU it’s virtually impossible that it would enjoy the privileged position it does today.

    Sauce for the Nige goose
    Sauce for the Remain gander.

  33. Well, didn’t the Nige say prior to the referendum that in the event of a narrow 48/52 split in favour of Remain it would be ‘unfinished business’ for Leave?

    He said a bit more than that. He said that in the eyes of conservative Leave voters it would be unfinished business, because Cameron had not played fair and that Remain had greatly outspent Leave. Which is a fair point.

    And it’s Sir Nigel to you.

  34. Except of course it was Vote Leave which was fined £61,000 by the Electoral Commission with Darren Grimes being fined £20,000 individually and him and David Halsall referred to police wasn’t it?

    Yeah, I know, t’s some sort of conspiracy by the Deep State or Common Purpose or something to undermine Brexit.

    Sauce for the Nige goose
    Sauce for the Remain gander.

  35. If the EU is so great for the young people.

    Why is youth unemployment across mainland Europe so shit?

  36. Yeah, I know, t’s some sort of conspiracy by the Deep State or Common Purpose or something to undermine Brexit.

    Actually it is. The Electoral Commission is deeply corrupt and its case against Grimes a sham –

    https://order-order.com/2018/07/04/electoral-commission-ignored-evidence-that-would-have-disproved-central-claims/

  37. Compared to leave, the remain spending was off the Richter scale.

    And the dopes still lost.

  38. Yeah, Guido. As credible as ever:

    BeLeave’s Darren Grimes, who was 22 at the time, is expecting to be fined £20,000 for filling in his forms wrongly. The Commission failed to interview a single senior Vote Leave staff member during its investigation, or at any point in the last two years. They heard evidence from the discredited whistleblowers making the allegations, yet didn’t allow Vote Leave figures to defend themselves against the claims, despite multiple attempts from Vote Leave officials to meet the Commission and provide evidence. This is a real breach of natural justice – whatever you think of Brexit and the merits of the case, is it justice if the Electoral Commission find someone guilty of a criminal offence without allowing them to give a defence?

    And yet Darren rimes was still fined twenty grand and the larger incident of the Vote Leave group being fined £61,000 stil happened.

    Yeah, miscarriage of justice by Common Purpose or something. I’ll not hold my breath on either the campaign group or the individual mounting an appeal:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/21/vote-leave-loses-legal-challenge-over-brexit-spending-breach

    Sauce for the Nige goose
    Sauce for the Remain gander

  39. Sauce for the Nige goose
    Sauce for the Remain gander

    There’s that stutter again.

    Yawn..

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

  40. The tax evading Guardian… Huh!

    😏

  41. You don’t like facts do you Harri?

    Does the fact that the Guardian reported it mean that the Vote Leave appeal was rejected by the Court?

  42. * wasn’t rejected by the Court?

  43. The Guardian huh!

    😁

  44. QED.

  45. Paul McMahon, on March 26th, 2018 at 7:38 PM Said:

    I’ve always said that the only thing that interests me regarding Brexit is it’s affects on Ireland and a vague notion of Scottish independence. If these can be overcome and the Brits go then I really do wish the Brits all the best as outsiders – and I mean that sincerely.

    Facts huh!

  46. Facts huh!

    Harri, on February 21st, 2019 at 7:17 PM Said:
    If the EU is so great for the young people.

    Why is youth unemployment across mainland Europe so shit?

  47. https://order-order.com/2016/04/04/media-organisations-using-offshore-havens/

    Facts.

  48. Facts huh!

    Things change:

    Paul McMahon, on February 20th, 2019 at 7:22 PM Said:

    Probaby for the first time in your life on this blog you’ve convinced me about something and now got me interested in the wider aspects of Brexit and not just its effects on Ireland.

    Go you!!

    Now, I’ve read the article several times and can’t seem to grasp how it’s ‘wonderful news’ so could you enlighten me as to the wonderfulness of the aforementioned news of the go ahead for the expansion of a dock in Essex?

    Have they secured the private funding for it?

    Wil it take shipping traffic away from Dover which is only seventy miles away?

    Do you trust the competence of the Minister in light of his previous monumental fuck ups?

    Will there be enough trade to justify its expansion?

    Will it have any effect on WTO no deal import / export tariffs?

    Go on, do tell.

    Those are the facts now. They’ve changed from last year. While we’re on the topic of ‘facts?

    Could you enlighten me as to the wonderfulness of the aforementioned news of the go ahead for the expansion of a dock in Essex?

    Would you like to have a go at that?

    Harri, on February 21st, 2019 at 7:17 PM Said:
    If the EU is so great for the young people.

    Why is youth unemployment across mainland Europe so shit?

    Shouldn’t you be asking some young people instead of a load of middle aged men?

  49. But even allowing for all that, what happened next was still perplexing. They gave themselves a round of applause. That’s right, the Guardian’s editorial staff put down their cups of fair-trade coffee and started clapping. In their eyes, these revelations about the use of offshore tax shelters by various grandees were a cause for self-congratulation.

    Now, I can think of three possible explanations. First, they either didn’t know or had forgotten about the Guardian Media Group’s use of a tax-exempt shell company in the Cayman Islands to avoid paying corporation tax when it sold its 50 per cent holding in Auto Trader to Apax Partners in 2008 (hat tip to Guido Fawkes). Further, they were similarly ignorant about the hundreds of millions GMG has invested in offshore hedge funds over the years. But that seems unlikely. After all, right-wing hacks like me lose no opportunity to draw attention to the paper’s creative tax affairs, particularly when confronted with self-righteous columnists like Owen Jones and Polly Toynbee wagging their fingers at Vodafone and Starbucks for avoiding paying their ‘fair share’.

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/will-the-guardian-now-investigate-its-own-tax-arrangements/

    Shouldn’t you be asking some young people instead of a load of middle aged men?

    How strange?

    You normally have all the answers?

    Paul McMahon, on March 26th, 2018 at 7:38 PM Said:

    I’ve always said that the only thing that interests me regarding Brexit is it’s affects on Ireland and a vague notion of Scottish independence. If these can be overcome and the Brits go then I really do wish the Brits all the best as outsiders – and I mean that sincerely.

    I told you you are full of shit.

    😏

  50. Shouldn’t you be asking some young people instead of a load of middle aged men?

    Jesus Paul you complete eejit, when it comes to cop outs mate..

    That’s a pearler.

  51. You normally have all the answers?

    Correct but I can’t give a young person’s opinion as I’m a middle aged man.

    Harri, does the Guardian appearing in the Panama Papers mean that Vote Leave weren’t fined £61,000 for beaking electoral law, didn’t have two of their associates referred to the cops, didn’t appeal their case to the High Court and didn’t have their appeal rejected by the High Court?

    I told you you are full of shit.

    As I told you last night, things change and those are the facts now. If you want to deny the facts by repeating something from last year be my guest but while on the subject of being full of shit:

    Could you enlighten me as to the wonderfulness of the aforementioned news of the go ahead for the expansion of a dock in Essex?

    Would you like to have a go at that?

    I’ll take your silent ignoring of that, along with the hilarious, Express.co.uk can reveal today, as an admission of your gullible arseholery

  52. //
    Harri, on February 21st, 2019 at 7:49 PM Said:

    Facts huh!

    Harri, on February 21st, 2019 at 7:17 PM Said:
    If the EU is so great for the young people.

    Why is youth unemployment across mainland Europe so shit?//

    Harri, youth unemployment in the UK is worse than in about a dozen other EU countries, and Britain has about double the rate that Germany has.

    “Facts huh” ?

  53. Mark

    “People cast their votes according to what party a candidate stands for and its manifesto.”
    not necessarily

    “We do not elect individual candidates standing as individuals but as representatives of political parties.”
    We do elect individuals who may or may not happen to be aligned to particular Parties and that mat or may not be one of the reasons we decide to vote for that individual.

    “They stand on that manifesto and its promises and, if the electorate like that, they get the most votes and wins.”
    Not necessarily. Some get votes because of their work as a constituency MP.

    “At least when Reckless and Carswell defected to UKIP they had the decency to ask those who elected them to re-elect them. So yes, they do not have to but, I would respect them and their reasons for leaving if they did.”
    Yes they did and a pathetic waste of public money their virtue signalling was. Two established anti-EU MPs carried on being anti-EU MPs big deal! But at least it gave rise to one of my favourite political cartoons. A constituent being asked who he intended to vote for “Oh I’m going UKIP this time. That Tory we had in was a dead loss!”

    Frank Field gave up the Labour whip but has has continued to act more or less in the same way as if he hadn’t.

    Going against the specific promises to honour Brexit is a far far far bigger betrayal of their constituents than merely leaving a Party.

    Of course they are being hypocrites in supporting the Losers Vote but not wanting to go back to their constituencies.

    One of the planks of Losers Vote is that “people voted Leave for things that can’t be delivered”, which makes all sorts of assumptions about the reasons for voting Leave. The only think that we know is that they voted Leave, for what ever reasons and that is what should be delivered. People voted for these MPs to represent them in this Parliament term, for whatever reason. Their dodgy logic in supporting Losers Vote should follow though. I reject their logic.