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New Zealand Terrorism

By Mahons On March 15th, 2019

A developing story out of New Zealand indicates up to 49 people gunned down at two mosques in a coordinated attack by several extremists, one of whom live streamed the attack. Welcome to the modern eorld. The warped politics and beliefs of the killers is something I am sure we will hear more about, extremists come in many types. The victims of these shootings however tend to be of one type: innocent and dead.

163 Responses to “New Zealand Terrorism”

  1. The words ” New Zealand ” and ” terrorism ” don’t seem to go together.

    I believe that at least one suspect is Australian.

    The murders were live streamed on facebook I hear, and the manifesto or whatever was posted there as well?

  2. I always, always fear the copycat impact.

    Once a door to the imagination is opened, some other bad guy, perhaps a lone wolf, does the same thing.

    If there’s a place that is now immune from terrorism, I’d like to know where it is.

  3. If there’s a place that is now immune from terrorism, I’d like to know where it is.

    yet you think the common man should be unarmed…..

  4. I’ve proven my case a thousand times here, with hard numbers over time.

    Dollars to donuts, some or all of these terrorist murderers had no prior criminal record.

    And prior to this morning, if they had no record, you’d have welcomed them buying guns, and even prancing around town with pistols, as the NRA types like to do.

  5. Intentional Homicide Rate per 100,000 inhabitants.

    USA 5.35
    UK 1.2
    NZ 0.99
    Ireland 0.8

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

  6. //49 people gunned down at two mosques in a coordinated attack by several extremists, one of whom live streamed the attack. Welcome to the modern world.//

    Indeed. There’s no limit to the crassness of modern terrorism.

    Life imitating art again – Paul Simon back in 1985

    There was a bright light
    A shattering of shop windows
    The bomb in the baby carriage
    Was wired to the radio

    These are the days of miracle and wonder
    This is the long distance call
    The way the camera follows us in slo-mo
    The way we look to us all

  7. By most modern western nation standard NZ has very liberal gun laws

  8. PVR and Rahm Emanuel

    ” You never let a serious crisis go to waste. ”

    The solution is always ” more guns “

  9. In the coming days, debate over New Zealand’s gun laws is likely to take place in response to the massacre.

    “I can’t imagine a country less likely to let this slide than New Zealand,” said Philip Alpers, a New Zealander professor at the University of Sydney who founded a website that tracks gun policy worldwide. “Jacinda Ardern is not likely to say ‘our thoughts and prayers are with you’ and then move on.”

    In New Zealand, gun owners must be licensed to carry guns and gun ownership is seen as a conditional privilege, but firearms do not have to be registered. Gun licenses are valid for 10 years, and Alpers said the interview process for licensing involves interviews with individuals who have intimate relationships with prospective gun owners, including spouses, ex-spouses and roommates.

    Gun laws came under scrutiny in New Zealand in 1997, when retired High Court judge Thomas Thorp released a report that endorsed mandatory registration and said self-defense should no longer be considered reason enough for purchasing a gun. The report also recommended that the government buy back military-style assault rifles, among a number of other suggestions that were not adopted in legislation. Now, Alpers said, essentially all those measures will be back up for discussion, particularly regulation of assault weapons. “They are the choice of mass killers and they will be the focus of everybody’s attention,” he said.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/03/15/one-day-more-people-were-murdered-new-zealand-than-are-usually-killed-an-entire-year/?fbclid=IwAR2ZqP1RKti4OSRelLkYIAXW_Zr11Kvv5PdKGIj9eM2totPoLX-LHCPbMyY&utm_term=.008a2ed711de

  10. I imagine the suspected gunman might have a fan or two on ATW:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/15/rightwing-extremist-wrote-manifesto-before-livestreaming-christchurch-shooting

  11. “I chose firearms for the effect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the effect it could have on the politics of United States and thereby the political situation of the world,” it says.

    A self-aware Gun Nut too.

    Let’s see them twist themselves in knots explaining that comment.

    A mentally ill socialist?

  12. A mentally ill socialist?

    A mentally ill human being.

    What this murdering prick has just possibly accomplished, is to reinvigorate ISIS mentally ill human beings with tens of thousands more willing recruits.

  13. Angry and evil yes, mentally ill not necessarily

  14. Phantom

    Evil, absolutely.

    Angry?

    We all get angry at times, but we don’t go on to slaughter and maim innocent human beings.

  15. //A mentally ill human being.//

    Well, a right-winger.

  16. Noel

    Were the Muslim mass killers “right wingers”?

  17. Noel

    You mean “extreme right wingers”?

    So, what you are suggesting is all those from the right wing are possibly mass murderer’s?

    Correct?

    Liberals really are fuckwits at times.

    Well done Noel.

  18. Noel, on March 15th, 2019 at 4:34 PM Said:
    //A mentally ill human being.//

    Well, a right-winger.

    Ah, my apologies.

    Its just Noel’s seriously weak attempt at satire.

    Okay, I get it now.

  19. //So, what you are suggesting is all those from the right wing are possibly mass murderer’s?//

    Nope, try again.

  20. I have read the writings of Dylann Roof and many others, but only really took true inspiration from Knight Justiciar Breivik

    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/new-zealand-mosque-shooter-brenton-tarrant-says-attack-inspired-by-anders-breivik/ar-BBUNE9J

    Obviously a raving loony leftie Commie.

    So, what you are suggesting is all those from the right wing are possibly mass murderer’s?

    Not all them, Thomas Mair and Darren Osborne only murdered one person each whereas those like Tim McVeigh, Dylann Roof, Andres Breivik, maybe David Copeland and now probably Brenton Tarrant could all be described as right wing mass murderers.

  21. No they are left wing socialists, just like Hitler was, because some guy on the interwebs said so.

  22. Crackhead AM talk radio has piped up

    3/15/19, 1:27 PM
    Rush Limbaugh suggests Christchurch shootings might be a false flag

    “There’s an ongoing theory that the shooter himself may in fact be a leftist who writes the manifesto and then goes out and performs the deed purposely to smear his political enemies” mm4a.org/4B6 pic.twitter.com/G4CAXczAhf

  23. roflmao……

    This is an intelligence failure for the new zealand authorities. NZ is a small very gun controlled nation yet this loon and what 3 others pop up and kill 49 people…. there was nothing preceding this? These loons weren’t on somebody’s radar? I find that hard to believe.

    And since these animals were taken alive what is New Zealand’s stand on capital punishment?

  24. roflmao……

    Hardly a Christian response to the mass murder of 49 people Pat?

  25. NZ is not ” very gun controlled ”

    They do have some controls

    There is no intel that can before the fact catch a lone wolf who keeps his own counsel. It’s impossible.

  26. you better check those laws sunny….. or don’t you think I already did?

    It has a multi tier background and licensure system, home security inspections, and that’s just for rifles and shotguns. Handguns are ONLY allowed on a sanctioned clubs grounds and can only be transported from one club to another for a meet.

    and still these animals armed up plotted and executed a coordinated mass murder. Animals exist everywhere in every society we either take precautions or we don’t. I would say my thoughts and prayers go out to the victims but we have been told today by “The Boss” AOC that are prayers mean nothing they don’t stop or help anything…… and I should keep my christian oppressive views to myself so in that vain ….. roflmao

  27. And I should keep my christian oppressive views to myself so in that vain ….. roflmao

    You can shout your views from the rooftops for all I care. I just don’t think that many Christians would be roflmao at the mass murder of 49 people.

  28. Handguns are ONLY allowed on a sanctioned clubs grounds and can only be transported from one club to another for a meet.

    Not true

    You can keep a handgun at home there

    You go through a real background check, and they do visit your home before they will grant you a license to have a handgun

    Before that even you have to pass a test on safety etc. Oh the horror.

    There is nothing wrong with any of that

  29. I’m not Paul….. I was laughing at the commenters above me.

    no one deserves to go to worship and die….

    and I have already come out that these animals should be executed… They did it, they got caught alive now we get to kill them for their transgressions. The reason why they murdered is irrelevant. They just need to now be put down…. Will New Zealand invoke capital punishment? I doubt it, but this is when capital punishment is both called for and Just.

  30. This will help you get up to speed on the subject

    http://www.seattleglobalist.com/2012/08/06/getting-strapped-in-new-zealand-shooting/5740

    The process for obtaining a basic firearms license is long, complicated and expensive. In other words, designed to weed out a broad portion of the population that the law deems unsuitable to possess a firearm.

    After submitting your application to the NZ Police, you are signed up for a mandatory firearm safety course put on by the New Zealand Mountain Safety Council. The course runs about three hours. Experienced instructors offer advice covering the handling, operation and storage of firearms. It ends with a written exam. If you fail the exam, you must go back to the police station to register for the next available class, with no exceptions.

    If you pass, your results are reported back to the NZ Police Arms Officer in preparation for the next step, the interview.

    About a week following the safety class, the Arms Officer rang us to set up a personal interview. He came to our house in the evening with a huge booklet filled with questions. He interviewed each of us alone; me, my partner, and our personal reference (which must be a non-relative who has known you for at least two years and can attest to your ‘good character’).

    Handbooks, licenses and safety equipment required for gun ownership in New Zealand (Photo by Brian Norton)
    Handbooks, licenses and safety equipment required for gun ownership in New Zealand.

    The interview was intense and personal. I observed the Arms Officer taking notice of the general state of our home as well as our demeanor. He confirmed we had a lockable cabinet for firearm storage, and separate lockable storage for ammunition. He asked pointed questions about alcohol and drug consumption, our domestic situation and our general mental health.

    No day at the beach, but plenty of kiwis own guns and keep them at home

    What they generally can’t do is prance around town with openly carried or hidden guns. That’s not allowed there.

  31. And I should keep my christian oppressive views to myself so in that vain ….. roflmao

    Like the IRA?

  32. Were the IRA “Right wing mass murderers”?

  33. Were the IRA “Right wing mass murderers”?

    Harri – So, what you are suggesting is all those from the right wing are possibly mass murderer’s?

    Paul – No, just some of them. Here’s why……

    Harri – Yeah, but what about the IRA?

    Uh oh, a nerve’s obviously been touched. Stand by for a triggering.

  34. just mass murderers

  35. Ah, I hear the ATW resident British hater say.

    The IRA were just oppressed white freedom fighters?

    Therefore, their cold blooded murders of innocents were justified.

  36. trying to rile the plastic paddies just before St Patrick’s Day……. shame on you Harri

  37. Patrick Van Roy, on March 15th, 2019 at 6:43 PM Said:
    trying to rile the plastic paddies just before St Patrick’s Day……. shame on you Harri

    Lol!

    😂

    And you can’t get more of a plastic paddy than Paul McMahon

  38. a proper conversation between a yank and a mic….. 😉

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VgjMEC29Ik

  39. So..

    What about that nerve being touched?

    Harri – Yeah, but what about the IRA?

    😁

  40. Patrick Van Roy, on March 15th, 2019 at 6:41 PM Said:
    just mass murderers

    Pfffft.

    Yes, the IRA slaughtered innocents, including women and children.

    But,but,but..

    They were…oppressed.

    😏

  41. Plastic Paddies rule!

    I suppse if you’re constantly defining people as ‘Pakis’ and ‘invaders’ who are ‘replacing populations’ then some mooncat’s gonna take that dehumanising blurb to it’s extreme such as we saw in New Zealand.

    But hey, nuthin’ to do with me boss. What about the plastic Paddies, eh?

  42. Can someone born and raised in Ireland be a plastic paddy?

  43. sure they can……

  44. I knew someone would come on here and use this mass slaughter to deflect the conversation and yes along comes Harri banging on about liberals and plastic paddies . Come on Harri you can do better. Why not drag in Juncker and his seven golden palaces while your at it !

  45. Patrick – you advised that you studied NZ’s gun laws. Then Phantom pointed out one of your errors about them. Do you think you need to hit the books a little harder?

  46. Harri – aside from trying to take jibes at various people what is your take on the actual topic?

  47. A right wingnut Australian senator has blamed the victims, calling them “Muslim fanatics”:

    “An Australian senator has been strongly criticised after he blamed the New Zealand shooting on Muslim immigration. Following the attack, which left 49 people dead at two mosques in Christchurch, Fraser Anning tweeted: “Does anyone still dispute the link between Muslim immigration and violence?”

    In a statement shared by an Australian journalist on Twitter, the Queensland senator also wrote: “As always, leftwing politicians and the media will rush to claim that the causes of today’s shootings lie with gun laws or those who hold nationalist views, but this is all cliched nonsense. The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/15/australian-senator-fraser-anning-criticised-blaming-new-zealand-attack-on-muslim-immigration

  48. Colm,

    “Shitposting” is an Internet slang term describing a range of user misbehaviors and rhetoric on forums and message boards that are intended to derail a conversation off-topic, including thread jacking, circlejerking and non-commercial spamming.

    https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/shitposting

    Sound familiar?

  49. A classic victim shaming exercise Peter. I’m sure that some here will no doubt condemn this interferance in a sovereign state’s affairs from a politician in a foreign country thousands of kilometres away?

    https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/politics/politician-lashes-out-at-muslims-after-christchurch-shootings-they-are-the-perpetrators/news-story/8e3f11fe73821dc3e65d75432ac76f2e

    I suspect we’ll see more of this over the next few days.

  50. Paul

    If Harri was a bit more organised and methodical he might be able to graduate to shitposter 😉

  51. “The obscene act of racist mass murder in New Zealand has shocked the world. The massacre of 49 human beings will always be a deeply disturbing act. But the fact that these human beings were shot to death in their place of worship feels especially horrific. Mown down in their religious sanctuary, as they cowered in corners, desperately trying to avoid being murdered, according to press descriptions of the shooter’s livestream of his heinous deed. This is an attack on Muslims, on religious freedom, and on humanity, and every decent person will want to offer their condolences and solidarity to the people of New Zealand…

    The killer seems to see himself as little more than a cultural being. In his seeming manifesto he professes commitment to the warped ethos of ethno-nationalism and continually refers to himself as white. He can see no identity for himself beyond the one he inherited by birth. Strikingly, the killer appears to say that his attack was done in the name of diversity – he says he wants ‘diverse peoples to remain diverse’, meaning identity groups must remain ‘separate, unique, undiluted, unrestrained in… cultural expression’. This sounds chillingly similar to the separatist ethos of the identitarian outlook, in which ‘cultural appropriation’ is a sin and anyone who seeks to speak up for other races or cultures risks being reprimanded with the words, ‘Stay in your lane’. The killer’s belief in cultural purity is of a piece with the identitarian worldview…”

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/03/15/new-zealand-the-barbarism-of-identity-politics/?utm_source=Weekly+newsletter&utm_campaign=1310610989-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_03_15_06_43&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7e9712ba33-1310610989-74446537

  52. I understand the sentiment expressed in th above comment and by others including Patrick here that suggests it is particularly horrific and somehow even more of an evil act to kill people in a place of worship but that does irk me. Is it any worse than slaughtering unarmed people in any other sort of gathering, a sports stadium ? A Pub, a school, on a train or plane or just in the street. All such cowardly intentional mass killings should be equally reprehensible regardless of the circumstances of where they take place.

  53. “Shitposting” is an Internet slang term describing a range of user misbehaviors and rhetoric on forums and message boards that are intended to derail a conversation off-topic, including thread jacking, circlejerking and non-commercial spamming.”

    I blame those fatcats in Brussels.

  54. We’ve had a horrendous mass shooting, so let’s go through the ATW checklist.

    For and against arguments about gun control. Check
    Blaming or absolving the so called left and right. Check
    Bringing other terrorist groups, such as the IRA to the argument. Check
    It’s not what appears on it’s a massive conspiracy. (False flag). Still waiting on Allan.

  55. Rush Limbaugh beat Allan to it

    Rush = Alex Jones = Allan on some things

  56. If Rush Limburg thinks this is a conspiracy I’m surprised. I’m no Rush fan but I thought he had more intelligent than that.

  57. Limbaugh: “There’s an ongoing theory that the shooter himself may in fact be a leftist who writes the manifesto and then goes out and performs the deed purposely to smear his political enemies”

    The fat turd says it in a sly and sneaky way ( ” there’s a theory..” )but he said it alright

  58. I’m surprised. I’m no Rush fan but I thought he had more intelligence than that.

    I think he has Dave. Unfortunately the goons that he plays don’t.

  59. Truxpin49 • 3 hours ago
    Sure. He decided to attack American Republicans by attacking a mosque in New Zealand. That’s makes so much sense. Maybe he was Seth Rich and he stowed away on the Malaysian flight that disappeared got plastic surgery, wrote an 87 page manifesto about causing a race war and then killed himself. Us “betas” sure have a lot of devious plans don’t we?


    Randy Ringen Truxpin49 • 3 hours ago
    And it was all coordinated out of the Comet Pizza basement.

    Gidawdah Randy Ringen • 3 hours ago
    Well, that means that Podesta could be involved in this shooting, then, amirite?

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    Paul Johnson Gidawdah • 3 hours ago
    urrite!

  60. Yes, I would be surprised if Alex Jones is not also peddling this rubbish soon. Also where did the “theory” originate? Was it Limbaa himself maybe?

  61. Sure sounds like he made it up himself.

    He jabbers on extensively on his show.

  62. The “false flag” bullshit will get a big boost when it gets a mention on Fox, probably tonight.

    Then Trump will give it a mention for sure.

  63. Tucker Carlson, don’t let me down.

  64. Just had a look at Jones website, in full-on conspiracy mode.

  65. Allan

    You are being negligent

    Speak up

  66. Colm – the location is part of the killer’s intended targeting.

  67. Phantom, on March 15th, 2019 at 9:26 PM Said:

    Allan

    You are being negligent

    Speak up

    Maybe it happened as told, maybe it didn’t. Too early to tell one way or another. Here’s something that did happen…….

    https://theliberal.ie/14-yr-old-boy-robbed-and-kicked-unconscious-by-gang-of-40-boys-armed-with-knives-who-posted-to-snapchat-in-random-attack-in-co-meath/

    A distraught mother has posted an appeal for witnesses to come forward to gardai after her 14-yr-old son was viciously beaten unconscious by a gang of 40 thugs.

    The thugs are said to have been carrying knives and randomly attacked the youngster to steal his phone.

    In what’s being described as a sinister and deeply evil attack, the thugs stole the boy’s phone and wallet and then dragged him to a secluded car park on a 3rd storey of a building before inflicting a near-death beating.

    The attack took place in Ashbourne, Co. Meath on Friday evening with some of the thugs recording the beating and posting it on Snapchat.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=24&v=tvcd8VLre9o

    Footage released of African gang attacking Irish teen in Ashbourne car park

    When did all these muslims turn up in New Zealand? Two mosques within a mile of each other in Christchurch!

  68. Allan

    If white Christians from Europe are entitled to be in New Zealand why aren’t non-white Muslims from Asia ?

  69. A white supremacist slaughters 49 in New Zealand. Just like they have been doing in the USA:

    “every terrorist murder in the United States last year was carried out by a far right domestic terrorist, not by an ‘Islamist’, according to the
    @ADL”

    https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1106668791772205057?s=20

  70. I was looking at the report earlier Peter :

    https://www.adl.org/media/12480/download

    Far left propaganda or false flag ops no doubt.

  71. Paul

    Off-topic, what is your view on the Bloody Sunday prosecution? I came across this earlier:

    “It took 30 years for the British government to admit the truth about Bloody Sunday; the Ballymurphy families are still waiting for the truth. The families of the Bloody Sunday victims fought a long and dignified battle to expose the truth. Their determination to challenge the British state to admit that its armed forces engaged in cold-blooded murder and then a high-level cover up was brave and I salute them. I was happy to see their joy and vindication when David Cameron stood up in the House of Commons, admitted the truth, and apologised. But I think they are wrong to pursue criminal convictions of the individual soldiers. It’s time to move on…

    Kevin Rooney is co-author of The Blood-Stained Poppy.”

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/03/15/bloody-sunday-its-time-to-move-on/

  72. Off-topic, it looks like the DUP are ready to support Theresa May’s Brexit deal next week:

    “We’ll give you £1bn”
    “No”
    “£1.5bn?”
    “Nope”
    “£2bn”
    “Yawn”
    “We can’t go higher. Grayling spent it all on imaginary ferries etc”
    “We’ll be off then”
    “OK. £2.5bn and we’ll ban gay marriage”
    “£3bn and you say the Big Bang is all lies”

    https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1106678565754626048?s=20

  73. I blogged on it a few days ago Peter:

    Our neighbour and family friend was murdered in the Ballymurphy Massacre in Belfast by the same regiment, and possibly even the same people, five months before the Paras ran amok in Derry. His children only want their father exonerated as an innocent and nothing more. I’d probably sway against prosecutions for Bloody Sunday but that may be easy for me to say as I didn’t have anyone murdered in the massacre […]

    That would roughly be my personal position Noel. Some form of truth and reconcilliation proccess where those involved would tell their stories without fear of prosecution which would bring a degree of closure to victim’s families and draw a line under the past. I’ve written above of family friends whose father was murdered by the Paras during the Ballymurphy Massacre in 71, they’ve stated to me that what they what is an official admission as to the facts of that day and an exoneration of their father as an innocent victim.

    It would never happen of course as the three protagonists in the conflict, Republicans, loyalists and the state’s armed forces were all guilty of inhuman, depraved acts which would certainly be considered war crimes and none of them would ever tell the whole truth

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=77748#comments

  74. Thanks Paul.

  75. If white Christians from Europe are entitled to be in New Zealand why aren’t non-white Muslims from Asia ?

    Colm, I want to kiss your sweet face! Love this comment.

  76. Murdoch’s Sky News Australia has been taken off the air in New Zealand after it broadcast the mosque shooter’s disturbing video of the attack.

    Good.

  77. Mahons, on March 15th, 2019 at 7:35 PM Said:
    Patrick – you advised that you studied NZ’s gun laws. Then Phantom pointed out one of your errors about them. Do you think you need to hit the books a little harder?

    Nah I wasn’t wrong you’re nuts.

  78. Oops

    Looks like Patrick is correct here – private pistols must generally be kept and used at a range in NZ.

    There are exceptions, where pistols are kept at home by individuals, but they are few.

  79. thank you

  80. senseless

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-shootings-20190314-story.html

  81. there are a lot of really bad sick people out there.

  82. Story…

    The 1st victim of #Christchurch attack has been named by his family as Daoud Nabi, 71, who moved to New Zealand from #Afghanistan in 1980s.

  83. The prime minister also confirmed the man arrested had a firearms licence that he obtained in November 2017. He began buying firearms the following month […]

    Tarrant didn’t hide his enthusiasm for guns and practised shooting at a South Otago rifle club, about 50km south of Dunedin

    A spokesman for the Bruce Rifle Club, near Milton, confirmed Tarrant was a club member

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/christchurch-shooter-brenton-tarrant-was-nz-gun-club-member-20190316-p514qr.html

  84. Colm – whites from Europe made New Zealand, and they made it a nice place as whites do. Muds from the Indian sub-continent would not have made a nice place.

  85. Allan,

    Do you have any comments on the mass murder in NZ itself?

  86. why we know where his sympathies lay

  87. (((Somebody))) is attempting to start hostilities between islam and Europeans. NATO troops are in muslim countries: muslims are in all western countries, in both cases for jewish interests. Muslims have their lands where we should not be, and vice versa

  88. the old soft shoe

    Fred Astaire would be proud of you

    Do you think that the murders in New Zealand were immoral acts?

  89. Do you think that the murders in New Zealand were immoral acts?

    Any murder of another human being should be met with absolute revulsion.

  90. How immoral were the cold blooded murders of hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslm, men, women and children, when America military inc, invaded Iraq & Afghanistan, on their “War on terror”?

  91. whites from Europe made New Zealand, and they made it a nice place as whites do.

    Of course they did Allan. As long as you overlook the displacement / genocide of the original inhabitants and the huge loss of biodiversity through the introduction of non-native animals.

  92. Aren’t white privileged uber rich buying up swathes of New Zealand for when the shit hits the fan?

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/feb/15/why-silicon-valley-billionaires-are-prepping-for-the-apocalypse-in-new-zealand

  93. Indeed they are Harri, but they’re white so that’s ok.

  94. Of course they did Allan. As long as you overlook the displacement / genocide of the original inhabitants and the huge loss of biodiversity through the introduction of non-native animals.

    Really? Where are their towns and villages? there were very few ‘natives’ in NZ before the British arrived and those who were in NZ were cannibals.

    Phantom, on March 16th, 2019 at 7:03 PM Said:

    the old soft shoe

    What I wrote at 6.46pm is absolutely correct, indisputably so, hence no disputes…..

    (((Somebody))) is attempting to start hostilities between islam and Europeans. NATO troops are in muslim countries: muslims are in all western countries, in both cases for jewish interests. Muslims have their lands where we should not be, and vice versa

    As for…..Do you think that the murders in New Zealand were immoral acts?

    It depends on what really happened to whom:

    https://dailystormer.name/christchurch-new-zealand-mosque-recruited-al-qaeda-jihadists-killed-in-drone-strikes/

    Christchurch was once a sleepy town. With a population under four hundred thousand, it never had any of the categories of political violence that plague much larger cities in much more populous countries.

    Then the Moslems came.

    You see, Friday’s events are not Christchurch’s first time being connected to mass murder and violence involving Moslems. That came earlier. Five years ago, Christchurch, and specifically the Al Noor mosque which was targeted by Brenton Tarrant was being mentioned in the news for being the source of not one, but two international terrorists: Daryl Jones and Christopher Havard.

    No media anywhere is covering this. They want this story buried fast.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/christchurch-mosque-linked-to-alqaida-suspect-2014060417

    A Christchurch mosque has been linked to the drone killing of New Zealand al-Qaida suspect Daryl Jones.

    The parents of an Australian killed alongside Jones say their son was taught radical Islam in Christchurch, where he also met Mr Jones.

    Christopher Havard was killed alongside Mr Jones by a US drone in Yemen last year.

    His parents, Neill and Bronwyn Dowrick, say their son told them he was first taught radical Islam at the Al Noor mosque in Addington.

    Mr Havard moved from Australia to New Zealand in 2010. He’s remembered at the mosque by the name of Saleem Khattab.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140727140346/www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/10310496/A-Kiwi-lads-death-by-drone

    When the Jones boys converted to Islam, it caused quite a stir in Christchurch.

    Suddenly Daryl and his younger brother Nathan, who grew up in a strong Christian house, were sporting beards, learning Arabic and wearing flowing robes. Carloads of Muslims, including immigrant women in veils, would turn up at the family’s home in a smart east Christchurch suburb, neighbours tut-tutting and muttering about terrorists.

    DS – Incidentally, this piece from Stuff.co.nz was wiped from the Internet by the publisher while I was writing this article, forcing me to hunt down an archive link to have a reference for this story. Which means the lying media is not merely in blackout mode on this story. They’re actively trying to cover up the this mosque’s history of producing international terrorists. This censorship effort is happening in real time.

  95. Really? Where are their towns and villages? there were very few ‘natives’ in NZ before the British arrived and those who were in NZ were cannibals.

    So that’s all right then. Genocide is what they deserved, just like the Aboriginies in Australia and the Native Americans.

  96. Peter, on March 16th, 2019 at 8:37 PM Said:

    Indeed they are Harri, but they’re white so that’s ok.

    Not quite white, but ‘fellow-whites’. NZ is one of their bolt-holes but, being the scum that they are, they just have to trash everywhere that they control.

  97. NZ is one of their bolt-holes but, being the scum that they are, they just have to trash everywhere that they control.

    Yes Allan. New Zealand has recently banned foreigners from buying property in an attempt to stop Chinese colonisation using stolen money (why can’t the UK do this?) but no doubt the US billionaires will not be restrained.

  98. So that’s all right then. Genocide is what they deserved

    Genocide? GENOCIDE??

    Have you ever seen what the NZ rugby team does before each game, and who their personnel are? The savages weren’t genocided but sub-contracted

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/565543/Book-reveals-hidden-history-of-cannibalism

    Maori cannibalism was widespread throughout New Zealand until the mid 1800s but has largely been ignored in history books, says the author of a new book released this week.

    Paul Moon said his new book, This Horrid Practice, looked at the Maori tradition of eating each other in what was a particularly violent society before Europeans arrived in New Zealand.

    Cannibalism lasted for several hundred years until the 1830s although there were a few isolated cases after that, said Professor Moon, a Pakeha history professor at Te Ara Poutama, the Maori Development Unit at the Auckland University of Technology.

    He also said infanticide was also widely practised because tribes wanted men to be warriors and mothers often killed their female daughters by smothering them or pushing a finger through the soft tissue of the skull to kill them immediately.

    He said the widespread practice of cannibalism was not a food issue but people were eaten often as part of a post-battle rage. Enemies were often captured and killed later to be eaten or killed because of a minor transgression.

    “Rather than disposing of the body it was prepared to be eaten,” he said.

    Part of the practice was also to send a warning to other tribes.

    “One of the arguments is really if you want to punish your enemy killing them is not enough. If you can chop them up and eat them and turn them into excrement that is the greatest humiliation you can impose on them.”

    I read that there is an island in the Pacific that the Royal Navy wanted cleared of natives in the late 1800’s so they asked a boatload of Maori warriors to ‘visit’ the place first……details shall follow once I dig them up

  99. Ok Allan, we didn’t kill them off at all, they killed themselves off as untermenschen often do. We just took their land and gave them our diseases and slaughtered them if they tried to resist.

    No worries.

  100. Cohencidentally…….

    https://dailystormer.name/israel-just-bombed-the-living-hell-out-of-gaza/

    RT:

    Israeli jets and helicopters hit around 100 Hamas-linked targets in Gaza on Thursday overnight, the Israeli Army has said. The air raids were conducted in response to rockets launched from Gaza at Tel Aviv.

    Hamas, by the way, is saying they didn’t send any rockets.

    Maybe they did and they’re lying, though that would be something new for Islamists.

    This story will of course get buried under news of the New Zealand shooting, even though I’m sure Israel killed a lot more Moslems than Brenton Tarrant. And he killed ones who were invading his home, while Israel killed ones whose homes they’ve invaded.

  101. Peter, on March 16th, 2019 at 9:33 PM Said:

    Ok Allan, we didn’t kill them off at all,

    That’s right, absolutely right, and it was whites who were slaughtered and then eaten if they lost. But as you argue, cannibalism is part of diversity and is worthy of ‘respect’….

    But still no ‘genocide’……..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_people

    In 1840, New Zealand had a Māori population of about 50,000 to 70,000 and only about 2,000 Europeans. By 1860 the Europeans had increased to 50,000. The Māori population had declined to 37,520 in the 1871 census, although Te Rangi Hīroa (Sir Peter Buck) believed this figure was too low.[74] The figure was 42,113 in the 1896 census, by which time Europeans numbered more than 700,000.[75] Professor Ian Pool noticed that as late as 1890, 40 per cent of all female Māori children who were born died before the age of one, a much higher rate than for males.[76]

    Peter – that last sentence is a curiosity and I just can’t put my finger on it

    In the 2013 census, 598,605 people identified as being part of the Māori ethnic group, accounting for 14.9 per cent of the New Zealand population, while 668,724 people (17.5 per cent) claimed Māori descent.[96]

    Genocide? Whatever…..

  102. And he killed ones who were invading his home

    So that justifies it, thought so.

  103. Tarrant was not a New Zealander

  104. Tarrant is a white man. NZ is part of white-world. In any case, muslims are in our lands, and white European soldiers are in their lands. Who brought this situation into being?

  105. New Zealand is not part of white world. If you stand true to your native race population ownership theories Allan
    You should believe that it belongs to the Maoris and all white residents should be deported back to Europe.

  106. Colm – do you consider cannibalism to be a respected component of diversity? I look at the pictures of Christchurch, which has only existed since whites arrived in NZ, and I see orderly tree-lined streets, pavements, traffic lights, pleasant pathways and parks typical of any comfortable mid-sized city in Europe or North America: it’s white-world, which is the world that whites create for whites wherever we go.

    Noticeable amongst the retarded normies is the ability to ‘step-over’. An example here is the fact that the mosque which we believe was attacked is itself a centre of terrorism as my post at 8.53pm makes clear. The efforts to cover up this fact by the MSM are matched by the efforts by ATW’s normy-enforcers to ignore it.

  107. Allan

    So you are going back on your previous long held views that geographical areas should only belong to those Who are racially native to them. Blacks in Africa, Whites in Europe, Japanese, Chinese etc. In their own entities. No matter how lovely and civilised and nice you think the tree lined streets of Christchurch are, it remains a fact that white humans are ‘invadors’ there surely. Their presence upsettinig the natural global racial order and should be forced back to the Northern hemisphere shouldn’t they ?

  108. Colm,

    So you are going back on your previous long held views that geographical areas should only belong to those Who are racially native to them. Blacks in Africa, Whites in Europe,

    Allan has demonstrated many times, that he can hold two completely contradictory opinions at the same time as long as they suit his agenda.

  109. He should admit he believes whites are entitled to live wherever they want on the planet but non-whites should stay in their own native countries. At least that would be more honest than his “different races in their different homes” claims.

  110. Colm.

    Indeed.

    I haven’t bothered reading Allan’s posts, but I’m willing to bet that somewhere in them he’s blaming the Jews for this atrocity New Zealand.

  111. Really? Where are their towns and villages?

    I don’t think Allan understands what genocide and displacement mean. Anyhow, I suspect what happened in NZ is the ultimate strategy to those who refuse his forced repatriation doctrine.

  112. Critiques of Maori practices used to justify a huge crime in some way?

  113. BTW on US cable news, they quickly moved on from this story.

    Fox, CNN, MSNBC, most coverage quickly reverted to the pro and anti Trump political horseshit for the base boobs. These stations don’t cover the news. CNN has not covered the news for years, Fox News never made any effort to be a quality news channel

    If you are an American and want to see quality coverage of world news, your only “ news channel “option is BBC World, available on most every cable and satellite services here. Last night, they were giving sustained reporting on NZ

  114. BBC world……. the Biased BBC for World News…. for any kind of news… lmao

  115. Within 15 minutes of the story of this shooting being reported CNN actually blamed it on Trump….

  116. Now who told you that

  117. Noticeable amongst the retarded normies is the ability to ‘step-over’. An example here is the fact that the mosque which we believe was attacked is itself a centre of terrorism as my post at 8.53pm makes clear. The efforts to cover up this fact by the MSM are matched by the efforts by ATW’s normy-enforcers to ignore it.

  118. Allan

    What is your opinion on the massacre

    Do you approve or disapprove of it

  119. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5P05AY3XyI

  120. An example here is the fact that the mosque which we believe was attacked is itself a centre of terrorism as my post at 8.53pm makes clear.

    Except of course it doesn’t make it clear at all.

    It’s a news report from five years ago where the parents of a killed Al Qaida suspect allege that their child ‘was first taught radical Islam’ at the mosque where fifty people were murdered by a right wing fanatic. A claim which the mosque denies.

    An allegation from five years ago does not a ‘centre of terrorism’ make.

    You’ve tried everything from cannabalism to rugby rituals in an apparent attempt to justify mass murder. Do you have any comment on the actual shootings themselves?

    which we believe was attacked

    That’s an interesting choice of words. Are you suggesting that the mosque attack is doubted?

    I say that this is the eventual working out of refusal of your forced repatriation plans. Am I incorrect?

  121. PVR

    That was fair comment by Senator Blumenthal and by other guests of CNN, not CNN blaming Trump

    The murderer himself praised Trump in his manifesto.

    That needs to be discussed

  122. Pat, without wanting to Americanise this thread, I think they were just discussing facts:

    The alleged killer appeared to have posted a lengthy manifesto earlier in which he claimed that white people were being overwhelmed and displaced by foreign cultures.

    In the document, filled with racist conspiracy theories, he referred to Trump as “a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose.”

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-new-zealand-attack-trump-says-white-nationalism-not-a-widespread-threat/

    And a particular kind of language all too familiar around here:

    https://www.vox.com/2019/3/15/18267745/new-zealand-mosque-attack-invade-trump

  123. I don’t care if everyone in the mosque was named bin laden and they held weekly flag burnings and preached death.

    They were unarmed civilians at mass and they were slaughtered by an animal. There is no justification, there is no cause or reason except the mind of an evil animal that should be put down with extreme prejudice.

  124. Pat

    You don’t think that those comments should have been aired?

    The New Zealand PM herself addressed such concerns to Trump directly. Should that be reported or should it be concealed?

    If Fox didn’t air such comments, does that make them better than CNN?

  125. No I expect the comments to be made.

  126. No one is to blame for this atrocity except the person who plotted it and carried it out.

  127. When insanity and evil rear their heads which they have always done and always will people look for someone or something to blame.

    No one carries blame except the person guilty of the act.

  128. I agree with Patrick to the extent that the shooter is the one criminally responsible.

  129. Blame for the killing belongs to the killer. In some cases blame for stoking hatred can also be assigned.

  130. No one is suggesting that anyone but the (gun licenced) killer is to blame for this mass murder but the inspiration for his beliefs shouldn’t be overlooked either.

  131. Even with inspirement the individual made the CHOICE to kill the innocent.

    no one else.

  132. I also see that NZ’s gun laws are up for review. Surely an opportunity for Alex Jones to contruct some false op by anti gun nut piece?

  133. The mass murderers in both Quebec City and NZ both praised Trump

    NZ will indeed soon reform its gun laws, which are flawed.

    The murders were committed by a foreigner with —legally acquired— semi automatic assault weapons.

    No one who is not a cop or soldier has any valid need for such weapons.

    These weapons have long had a particular attraction for mass murderers

  134. Paul McMahon, on March 17th, 2019 at 4:20 PM Said:

    I also see that NZ’s gun laws are up for review.

    They were up for review on the same day as the shooting

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/15/asia/new-zealand-gun-control-intl/index.html

    New Zealand Prime Minister says, ‘Our gun laws will change’

    By Lianne Kolirin, CNN

    Updated 2342 GMT (0742 HKT) March 15, 2019

    If only Brexit could be implemented as quickly – but Brexit is NOT what the Establishment wants.

  135. I don’t think Allan understands what genocide and displacement mean.

    Perhaps – but I understand what it is not……..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_people

    In 1840, New Zealand had a Māori population of about 50,000 to 70,000 and only about 2,000 Europeans. By 1860 the Europeans had increased to 50,000. The Māori population had declined to 37,520 in the 1871 census, although Te Rangi Hīroa (Sir Peter Buck) believed this figure was too low.[74] The figure was 42,113 in the 1896 census, by which time Europeans numbered more than 700,000.[75] Professor Ian Pool noticed that as late as 1890, 40 per cent of all female Māori children who were born died before the age of one, a much higher rate than for males.[76]

    In the 2013 census, 598,605 people identified as being part of the Māori ethnic group, accounting for 14.9 per cent of the New Zealand population, while 668,724 people (17.5 per cent) claimed Māori descent.[96

    yes – definitely not genocide.

  136. Noticeable amongst the retarded normies is the ability to ‘step-over’.

    That’s an interesting choice of words. Are you suggesting that the mosque attack is doubted?

    I say that this is the eventual working out of refusal of your forced repatriation plans. Am I incorrect?

    You’re not doing too bad a job of ‘stepping over’ yourself.

  137. semi automatic assault weapons.

    No one who is not a cop or soldier has any valid need for such weapons.

    These weapons have long had a particular attraction for mass murderers

    Phantom just fell off his barstool…… there is no such thing as semi automatic assault weapons

  138. In a world where anybody can be arrested for an ‘inappropriate’ tweet within hours of making it…….

    https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/british-man-arrested-supporting-new-zealand-mosque-attack-online-post-8914580/

    A man has been detained in Greater Manchester for a social media post that allegedly supports the New Zealand mosque attack.

    Officers said the 24-year-old from Oldham allegedly made a post making reference and support for the terrible events in Christchurch.

    He was detained on suspicion of sending malicious communications.

    then I find it amazing that the suspect’s on-line announcement that he’s going to attack and kill was unactioned for two days

    https://36s81n24kn0c1i9se62v6acw-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/1-8-Chan-Tarrant-768×433.png

    Here is a summary of the anomalies of this bizarre incident

    https://21stcenturywire.com/2019/03/16/christchurch-terrorist-attack-many-unanswered-questions-remain/

  139. Do you think anyone in NZ barring soldiers and cops have any need for semi auto assault style long barrels Pat?

  140. The murderer himself praised Trump in his manifesto.

    That needs to be discussed

    OK – firstly, the suspect did not praise Trump…….

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-14/there-were-bodies-all-over-me-least-30-dead-or-wounded-after-gunman-opens-fire-new

    On whether or not he is a supporter of US president Donald Trump, he wrote: “As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no.”

    President Potato can’t even make an effort to implement the one, single policy that won his election – there is no wall, and there will be no wall, and there shall be no 2nd term for Trump

    But the ‘manifesto’ has some interesting text which either indicates that the guy is for real or, in the manner of Alex Jones, is simply a tool to bring sensible policy into disrepute……..

    For too long we have allowed the left to co-opt the environmentalist
    movement to serve their own needs. The left has controlled all discussion
    regarding environmental preservation whilst simultaneously presiding
    over the continued destruction of the natural environment itself through
    mass immigration and uncontrolled urbanization, whilst offering no true
    solution to either issue.

    What is written up there by the ‘suspect’ is absolutely correct – but it’s now tainted

  141. More ‘stepping over’ Do you not have an opinion on the mass murderer and mass murder itself?

  142. Paul McMahon, on March 17th, 2019 at 4:56 PM Said:
    Do you think anyone in NZ barring soldiers and cops have any need for semi auto assault style long barrels Pat?

    ask the 50 dead if they wished they had one to defend themselves…..

  143. I personally think that style of weapon is a “peck” gun.

    You own it because you’ve got issues about your pecker……

  144. Allan

    What is your opinion on the massacre

    Do you approve or disapprove of it

    Phantom

    Allan has already excused the white-supremacist killer as “defending his homeland”, and as a fellow white-supremacist he is at least consistent in this.

    Trump is also a white-supremacist. Just saying.

  145. no he’s not

  146. LOL

  147. Peter

    Oh I know what the answer to my question is alright!

  148. Paul McMahon, on March 17th, 2019 at 5:25 PM Said:

    More ‘stepping over’ Do you not have an opinion on the mass murderer and mass murder itself?

    No

    As for….Trump is also a white-supremacist. There are more muds getting into the US under Trump than under his Kenyan predecessor so Trump most decidedly is anti-white, but his voting base is not.

    Peter – for a population to survive, it must have areas where it is ‘supreme’ otherwise it shall cease to exist. Blacks are supreme in Africa, and demonstrably now supreme in South Africa where whites are not supreme and are on the demographic exit. Orientals are supreme in Japan, Korea and China, and brown-skins are supreme in the Asian sub-continent. Most (western) white countries are now facing demographic displacement by 3rd-world immigration, including the US, Canada, UK, Germany, France, Belgium, Holland – so why particularly must whites NOT have lands where they are supreme?

  149. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111343093/man-who-scared-away-gunman-at-christchurch-mosque-hailed-a-hero

    Listen to this guy, the face of heroism

    He ran right at the killer, unarmed, and chased him away

  150. Phantom – you recall the guy “let’s roll”? This is that kind of story. Please, just lap it all up 🙂

  151. From phantom’s link at 10.53pm…..

    White supremacist Brenton Tarrant, 28, has been charged with one count of murder in the slayings……

    Those who were allegedly killed believe that islam should be supreme, that muslims should rule New Zealand and everywhere: they are muslim-supremacists, and yet they are portrayed as ‘good’

  152. Paul McMahon, on March 17th, 2019 at 5:25 PM Said:

    More ‘stepping over’ Do you not have an opinion on the mass murderer and mass murder itself?

    No

    Fair enough. I don’t think that anymore needs to be said.

  153. There are more muds getting into the US under Trump than under his Kenyan predecessor so Trump most decidedly is anti-white

    LOL

  154. Those who were allegedly killed

    Were they not really killed Allan, including the children? Just for the record.

  155. ‘Allan

    You do realize that this might be on film?

  156. Or more correctly, on video

  157. […] which we believe was attacked

    Those who were allegedly killed

    Incoming….

  158. The alleged shooter …called President Trump “a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose.”
    ( Washington Post )

    Does anyone dispute the accuracy of the quote? Is it “ fake news “?

  159. Common purpose ? Uh oh, that will set Harri off on one 😉

  160. Muslim supremacism

    http://europeanpost.co/erdogan-like-boumediene-the-islam-demographic-challenge-to-europe/

    “One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory,” said Algerian leader Houari Boumediene at the United Nation in 1974.

    The European Union is ignoring a demographic time bomb: a recent rush into the EU by migrants, including millions of Muslims, will change the continent beyond recognition over the next two decades, and almost no policy-makers are talking about it, The Telegraph reports.

    Turkish leader Erdogan also stated: “I am calling out to my citizens, by brothers and sisters in Europe! Have not just three but five children !The place in which you are living and working is now your homeland and new motherland. Open more businesses, enroll your children in better schools, make your family live in better neighborhoods, drive the best cars, live in the most beautiful houses,” he said. “That’s because you are the future of Europe. It will be the best answer to the vulgarism, antagonism, and injustice made against you.”

    The people of NZ should waken up to what it means. After all, the girls of England, Holland, Sweden and Germany know what it means – and the natives are seen as the booty of conquest – muslim supremacism. For whites to survive in our own countries, we must be supreme in our own countries, and that is a good thing.

  161. Well Allan you must at least be pleased that one Australian has helped New Zealand to reduce “Muslim Supremacy”

  162. Colm – did you read any of the post or linked text at 8.55pm? Do you have the slightest idea what any of it means? As for the question which Peter stepped over……

    For a population to survive, it must have areas where it is ‘supreme’ otherwise it shall cease to exist. Blacks are supreme in Africa, and demonstrably now supreme in South Africa where whites are not supreme and are on the demographic exit. Orientals are supreme in Japan, Korea and China, and brown-skins are supreme in the Asian sub-continent. Most (western) white countries are now facing demographic displacement by 3rd-world immigration, including the US, Canada, UK, Germany, France, Belgium, Holland – so why particularly must whites NOT have lands where they are supreme?

    I am a white supremacist for it is evident that in order for whites to continue as a race, we must be supreme somewhere

  163. DUNEDIN, New Zealand — New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said she would deny the accused gunman the fame he sought by refusing to even speak his name in an emotive parliamentary meeting on Tuesday, the first since the worst massacre in her country’s modern history.

    Espousing anti-immigrant, white nationalist ideology, 28-year-old Australian national Brentan Tarrant allegedly killed 50 people at two mosques in Christchurch on Friday, rattling a country that takes pride in its safety, diversity and openness.

    “He sought many things from his act of terror, but one was notoriety,” Ardern said. “And that is why you will never hear me mention his name.”

    She added: “He is a terrorist, he is a criminal, he is an extremist. But he will, when I speak, be nameless.”

    NZ Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has acted with great dignity since the atrocity.

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