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BREXIT NATION

By Pete Moore On April 3rd, 2019

Every English and Welsh region outside the M25 is happy to leave the European Union without a deal if no agreement can be reached by the end of next week.

The study by YouGov asked voters “if Britain has not agreed a deal by April 12th, what do you think should happen?”.

The research found that only people living in London did not want to leave the UK without a deal.

This must be reiterated, because the lies the other way are relentless. And we can see the effect of those lies. Even here on ATW we see commentators who repeat the pish that “most people want to Remain”.

It’s crap. The evidence is the other way. Another referendum – if fair, which it wouldn’t be – would result in a bigger majority to Leave. Only London of the English and Welsh regions wants to Remain, and we can discount London because it’s mostly foreigners.

Not only do we want to Leave, we must note, we would happily take a World Trade Brexit. Don’t believe the BBC and Sky and the rest of the Fake News crew.

75 Responses to “BREXIT NATION”

  1. Sorry Pete, “no deal” is off the table, just get over it:

    “MPs have voted by a majority of one to force the prime minister to ask for an extension to the Brexit process, in a bid to avoid any no-deal scenario.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47809717

  2. Not only do we want to Leave, we must note, we would happily take a World Trade Brexit.

    Not in Northern Ireland. Because that could mean the end of the union. Most unionists apart from Sammy Wilson fully realise by now that Little Englanders like you and the ERG mob could not give a stuff. You want out of the EU and if that means the end of the union with Scotland and Northern Ireland that is a price you are willing to pay.

    I’m sure you will correct me if I’m wrong.

  3. Even if it were true ( which it isn’t ) that a majority of voters desired a no deal Brexit it is the duty and moral responsibility of government and Parliament to prevent such a damaging ignorant and reckless policy being enacted. Parliament’s responsibilty is to act in the country’s best interest not to just blindly rubber stamp any populist idiocy.

  4. That same poll that you are quoting Pete had a no deal Brexit at 40%. If you exclude the don’t know’s it is at 46%. 47% want a further extension or no Brexit at all. And if you exclude don’t know’s then it is 54%.

  5. Absolutely.

    I am not one for polls, except the ones were ALL the people take part in. Those are the ones that count and mean anything. But Parliament will not allow us a ‘meaningful General Election’ less its lying Remain majority gets booted out.

    Seamus

    . . . it is the duty and moral responsibility of government and Parliament to prevent such a damaging ignorant and reckless policy being enacted.

    Shame that they never do that when they fight pointless and illegal wars ? Or sign up to policies that cause real harm to our nation and its peace and well being. Just the stuff that you approve of.

  6. Mark

    That comment was from me not Seamus. Seamus writes more eloquently than I do. 🙂

  7. We can discount London because it’s mostly foreigners.

    You’ll not not mind the wee six ‘discounting’ Britain then? Good man.

  8. I don’t think that the majority in London are foreigners.

    Certainly the majority of voters in London are not foreigners.

  9. 1.50 secs in..

    Oh how they lie.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu6PIUT8M-A

  10. Phantom,

    I don’t think that the majority in London are foreigners.

    Of course they’re not.

  11. Don’t worry Pete. That Corbo bloke you voted for is deciding what’ll happen with Brexit.

  12. See?

    Arriving for the latest round of Conservative-Labour talks, shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer said the idea of a “confirmatory” referendum would be discussed.

    “We have been discussing Labour’s alternative plan and issues such as confirmatory votes,” he said.

    “We had discussions yesterday and we are going to continue them today.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47815599

    Who’da thunk Brexit could be so entertaining?

  13. But Paul

    “But Ministers have warned the backbench bill – put forward by Labour’s Yvette Cooper – could increase “the risk of an accidental no-deal”.

    No 10 says the bill, passed by the Commons with a majority of one vote on Wednesday, would deny the PM the power to agree a deal with EU leaders on April 10 – two days before exit – as MPs would have to agree to any new Brexit date.”

  14. Hoisted by their own petard Noel. Perhaps this’ll help to concentrate and focus.

  15. I’ve been having a deeper look at the numbers. Yougov don’t separate out the results by each region of England. They have much broader regions. They also don’t seem to poll Wales separately. The North West, North East and Yorkshire seem to be combined into a single North region. Similarly the East of England, South West and South East seem to be combined into a single Rest of South region. The East and West Midlands are then combined with Wales into a Midlands/Wales region.

    So they don’t seem to do individual polling on the regions. And so it calls into question their headline result.

    When you combine Wales, the East Midlands, and the West Midlands, Leave won 58% to 42%. In Wales alone it was 53%.

    Support for a no deal Brexit in the Midlands and Wales is 46%. If you remove the don’t know’s then support for a no deal Brexit it is 54% (some 4% lower than in 2016). A uniform swing (from overall 58% to overall 54%) would put Wales at 49% no deal, with 51% supporting other options.

    So the headline result, that all areas of England and Wales outside of London support a no deal Brexit, is probably not true. Wales, most likely, does not support a no deal Brexit (based on this poll).

  16. Poor Leo..

    This is fun..

    😁

    Sky News was mistakenly accurate today when it described Leo Varadkar as ‘Angela Merkel’s Prime Minister’. A handy reminder of where EU power really lies…

    In reality, Leo doesn’t see himself as subservient to Angela Merkel. An FOI request this week did reveal, however, that the Taoiseach sent an embarrassingly grovelling fan letter to Kylie Minogue, asking to meet her. This wasn’t a teenage fan letter, this was four months ago…

    “Dear Kylie,

    Just wanted to drop you a short note in advance of the concert in Dublin,

    I am really looking forward to it. Am a huge fan!

    I understand you are staying in the Merrion Hotel which is just across the street from my office in Government Buildings. If you like, I’d love to welcome you to Ireland personally.

    Leo Varadkar
    Taoiseach (Irish Prime Minister)”

    He tried to prevent the letter being made public, despite it being written on official Prime Ministerial headed paper. He should be so lucky…

    https://order-order.com

  17. Peter –

    Sorry Pete, “no deal” is off the table, just get over it

    No it’s not. It remains the law that we leave on World Trade terms on 12th April. If the EU27 don’t grant extension then we leave.

    Not in Northern Ireland. Because that could mean the end of the union.

    No it wouldn’t. The Belfast Agreement is clear that only the consent of the people of NI can bring that about. It’s also why the backstop is illegal. If you want a referendum and vote to leave the UK then so be it. We’ll get along fine, goodnight and good luck. I can say that because I’m a patriot who thinks that a promise is a promise. Unlike EU jihadis.

  18. Noel, here’s a good Fisk article you might be interested in comparing northern unionists in the seventies with Brexiteers of today.

    I found it a good read:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-talks-northern-ireland-dup-a8854386.html?fbclid=IwAR0SrzNQVvVFoDYmDFnh7gSn4XZeeJ0NL7SCd-htipduR2Kv05umSuvrwuQ

  19. I found it a good read:

    That in itself is good enough reason to not bother reading it.

    It will no doubt end up of five minutes of my life wasted I will never get back.

  20. No it’s not. It remains the law that we leave on World Trade terms on 12th April. If the EU27 don’t grant extension then we leave.

    Harri, on April 4th, 2019 at 1:47 PM Said:
    1.50 secs in..

    Oh how they lie.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu6PIUT8M-A

  21. It’s also why the backstop is illegal.

    Who told you that Pete?

    I’m a patriot who thinks that a promise is a promise.

    Good man yerself:

    The Single Market is the EEA, the European Economic Area. No-one is proposing to leave it, no-one is campaigning to leave it, and the UK will not leave it. […]

    Pete Moore, on June 20th, 2016 at 9:48 PM Said:

    Phantom –

    The EU has no say in it. Membership of the European Economic Area (which is seperate from the EU) gives us full access to the entire market

  22. // It’s also why the backstop is illegal.//

    To the same extent as a hard Brexit would be illegal in terms of NI.
    The Good Friday agreement provided for the two governments promoting north-south cooperation, no change to the “constitutional position” of NI without the consent of the people of NI; it also incorporated EU human rights law (yes, I know how you love the term; and it’s in the GFA), which is subject to change, into the NI set-up.

    All of this would be negated in the event of a hard border between the two parts of Ireland. That’s at least part of the reason the British government insisted from the outset that there would be no such border and made avoiding one a fixed part of its policy, which also led in turn to the backstop etc.

    //It remains the law that we leave on World Trade terms on 12th April.//

    That Twelfth of April looks more and more like the Twelfth of Never.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjcobGF0BqE

  23. All of this would be negated in the event of a hard border between the two parts of Ireland. That’s at least part of the reason the British government insisted from the outset that there would be no such border and made avoiding one a fixed part of its policy, which also led in turn to the backstop etc.

    Its not the UK, or little Ireland insisting on a hard border.

    Its the EU masters at Brussels.

  24. //It remains the law that we leave on World Trade terms on 12th April.//

    And David Cameron..

    Harri, on April 4th, 2019 at 1:47 PM Said:
    1.50 secs in..

    Oh how they lie.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu6PIUT8M-A

  25. That Twelfth of April looks more and more like the Twelfth of Never.

    No shit Sherlock

    Hotel California.

    You can check out, but you can never leave.

  26. To the same extent as a hard Brexit would be illegal in terms of NI.

    Don’t think so.

  27. Who told you the backstop is illegal Pete?

  28. We should come to an amicable agreement with our new empire rulers at Brussels..

    We will hold a second referendum, if you release all your expenses for, let’s say the last 20 years.
    Nothing to hide, nothing to fear..and all that.

    And take it from there.

    😏

  29. Paul –

    Who told you the backstop is illegal Pete?

    Lord Trimble for one, who co-drafted the Belfast Agreement. But I don’t believe it because he told me. I believe it because I’ve read both the Belfast Agreement and the backstop provisions and decided, for myself, that they are incompatible.

    There are some lawyers who believe that the backstop is incompatible with EU law as well.

    https://sites-herbertsmithfreehills.vuturevx.com/20/19043/landing-pages/a-view-from-brussels-february-2018-briefing(2).pdf

    “on the basis of the EU’s own view of what is legally allowed under Article 50 and on the basis of which the negotiations proceeded, the backstop in its present form is illegal as a matter of EU law. The Attorney-General of the UK came to a similar conclusion in paragraph 17 of his advice to the government of 13 November 2018. It could also be argued that the backstop is inconsistent with the aim of the Treaty on the European Union to promote peace (expressed in its Article 3) since it is inconsistent with the institutional provisions of the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement and therefore undermines it.”

  30. Good catch Pete.

    😁

  31. Lord Trimble for one, who co-drafted the Belfast Agreement.

    Ah yeah? Is that right?

    The former leader of the Ulster Unionist Party – currently sitting in the House of Lords as a Conservative peer – said the proceedings would demand the removal of the protocol on Northern Ireland from Prime Minister Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement.

    He said that the backstop should be replaced by alternative arrangements set out in a report entitled A Better Deal and A Better Future authored by Eurosceptic Conservative MP Steve Baker and published by the Global Britain group.

    A spokesman for Lord Trimble was unable immediately to provide an explanation for the claim that the protocol breaches the Good Friday Agreement.

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-lord-trimble-to-take-government-to-court-over-irish-backstop-saying-it-breaches-good-friday-agreement-37781408.html

    Got that? – was unable immediately to provide an explanation for the claim that the protocol breaches the Good Friday Agreement

    But he sent a Notice of Action letter to the Government on the 8th of November I hear you cry. He simply must know what he’s doing.

    Yeah, right enough……but wait, what’s this?

    While a temporary backstop for a short period is acceptable to all parties
    (including the DUP), it is clear that the prospect of an enduring structure,
    with expanding and dynamic functions, is untenable in the long run and
    could lead to socially disturbing effects and potential instability. It would
    be unpalatable for both Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

    As a result of this shift in position, the UK Government is now correct in
    asserting the right, in extremis, to appeal to international law under the
    Vienna Convention.

    https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Nothing-Has-Changed-It-Has-Actually.pdf

    What? dated March 18th you say?

    So Trimble has realised that his publicity stunt in an attempt to remain relevant ‘court case’ actually didn’t have any merit after all and he’s now stating that the backstop isn’t illegal in principle and is attempting to wipe the egg off his face has published a paper on it?

    Well alright then.

  32. Phantom, on April 4th, 2019 at 1:09 PM Said:

    I don’t think that the majority in London are foreigners.

    Certainly the majority of voters in London are not foreigners.

    It looks as though ethnic Britons are a minority in London, and a few other cities too…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London

    London is one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. A 2000 survey of school children reported there were over 300 languages spoken at home.[1]

    At the 2011 census, London had a population of 8,173,941. Of this number, 44.9% were White British. 37% of the population were born outside the UK, including 24.5% born outside of Europe.[2]

    Now that the question about whether London is British is over, is it a good thing that London is so ‘diverse’? It cannot be British and be ‘the most diverse city in the world’ at the same time.

  33. At the 2011 census…..

    That’s 8 years ago – we know the trajectory. Is anybody disputing that London is even more ‘diverse’ i.e. less British?

  34. In 2011 the stats were approximately 60% British 40% Foreigners in London

    8 years later, one must surely assume that figure must simply have moved to closer to 50/50?

    Or maybe even worse?

    Dave.

    Have you any recent figures?

  35. It was only a couple of months ago that Pete was commenting here that we were leaving on March 31st. It was set in statute law and there simply wasn’t enough time to repeal or change that law. He was 100% adamant that come what may we would be out of the E.U. by last Sunday.

    It’s a good job we all place our fervent trust in the wise words of mystic Moore 😉

  36. Colm

    Unfortunately, we will never be out of the EU empire, on any given Sunday.

    Its a circus.

    Stop falling for it all.

    Chill.

  37. Harri, on April 4th, 2019 at 8:12 PM Said:

    In 2011 the stats were approximately 60% British 40% Foreigners in London

    Harri – negroids and pakis/jinglies aren’t British. There were only 45% British in London.

  38. Dave

    Any luck…mate

    With those figures?

    Those from figures I presented were 60% white? And 40% “foreign” I will assume that could mean non-white?

    So it begs the question, how many of that 60% figure could possibly be white Eastern European?

    And these figures only include the ones we know about.

    Pete could possibly be correct in his assertion..

  39. Colm –

    It was only a couple of months ago that Pete was commenting here that we were leaving on March 31st.

    No, that is dishonest of you. I never, not once, said that we would leave the EU on 31st March.

  40. I never, not once, said that we would leave the EU on 31st March

    But you did say the UK wouldn’t leave the EEA didn’t you?

  41. Pete

    I am not going to bother trying to find the specific comment, but yes you clearly did. You were referring to the Act that had the 31st March date enshrined in it by statute, and that it was now to late to amend it.

  42. Seamus, on April 4th, 2019 at 5:44 PM Said:

    I’ve been having a deeper look at the numbers……

    Really?? Here’s a ditty – 52% Leave vs 48% Remain over the UK, so remove the City State and see what the figures are for the rest of the country, even England alone. The figures are…….

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

    Leave – 15,188,406: Remain – 13,266,996

    London – Remain – 2,263,519: Leave – 1,513,232

    Take the City State out and……

    Leave 13,675,174: Remain 11,003,477

    Remain – 44% in wider England which is 56% Leave. That is substantial, and the Remain vote is in specific pockets.

  43. We can all play the game of getting the results we want if we exclude inconvenient areas.

  44. If England is 56% leave then she should piss off, leave and stop trying to impose her will on everyone else.

  45. I live in England. I want stay in the E.U. Therefore it is essential that England stays in the E.U.

    I may not be very tall but I ain’t no little Englander🇪🇺 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇨🇮

  46. It’s okay Colm, you live in the ‘City State’ which is the obbject of Allan and Pete’s inconvenience which they wish to extricate from the equation. You can join the rest of the Euro serfs with Allan in Scotland and Seamus in the wee six.

  47. May has asked EU for further extension until 30 June. UK preparing to field candidates in May EU Parliament elections if no deal reached before then:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47825841

  48. //You were referring to the Act that had the 31st March date enshrined in it by statute, //

    Colm, the 29th, not 31st March, was the date Pete had banked on.

    But by the look of things it may as well have been 31st February.
    The new date is now 30 June apparently.

  49. The 12th of never Noel?

  50. Paul, see

    Noel, on April 4th, 2019 at 7:06 PM Said:

  51. Well beat to the punch.

    Touché.

  52. Noel

    Ah yes well spotted. Pete was cleverly accurate in pointing out my date mistake. Still doesn’t deflect from the case I was making though that he was wrong on his immovable law point.

    However its quite easy to get dates wrong with Brexit seeing as they keep changing from one day to the next. It was 29th March, then 12th April or 22nd May , now it might be 30th June or a’flexible year’. Perhaps little Prince George will be on the throne by the time the sovereign finally signs the withdrawal act 🙂

  53. Yes, that Brussels tyrant Tusk has now even proposed that the EU be so nazi-like as to allow the UK to extend its decision time and change its departure date as it chooses, a flextension it’s called.

    The bloody cheek of him.

    Heard yesterday: This will be the first year to see the end of May before the end of April.

    By the way, I almost choked with laughter while sipping my Latte yesterday when Merkel’s speech in Dublin came on the TV.

    She spoke sincerely and straight, as is her way, when she explained how “very deeply moved” she was to hear of the problems of this divided country, and how it had reminded her that Germany was also once divided, of the time she grew up in east Germany and how she is all too aware of the pain and horror a hard border causes. !!

  54. she is all too aware of the pain and horror a hard border causes. !!

    But totally oblivious to all the pain and horror her open borders causes.

    Ask all those raped women and children in Germany, France, Sweden, Italy, and Austria.

  55. The cheeky bastards!!

    https://www.euronews.com/2019/04/03/eu-draft-law-says-gibraltar-is-a-british-colony

    On the subject of German and Irish borders Noel. A good piece:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/we-cannot-go-back-to-a-hard-border-any-more-than-berlin-could-return-to-the-wall-1.3843094?fbclid=IwAR0gqxm7_k8H1ZSz3yPVlE_Ku06rb3dMp1w2FAFRXM2pKBGO0A6UgY8dvdI

  56. Paul McMahon, on April 5th, 2019 at 8:25 AM Said:

    It’s okay Colm, you live in the ‘City State’ which is the obbject of Allan and Pete’s inconvenience

    The City of London, which is an entity entirely separate from the UK but which feasts on the UK, is a hub of criminality – as has been shown and without dispute. For a left-leaning ‘Republican’ to support the existence of such an entity is beyond normal comprehension until one realises that the City of London is the model to which criminals and their acolytes aspire. Thus put, it is not difficult to grasp that Irish Republicans would wish to emulate the City of London in a manner proportionate to their geographic area of influence.

  57. More that 500,000 people are employed in or around the City of London.

    In what are mostly good playing, clean jobs with a future, many of which are export oriented.

    Including those at ancient 300 year old institutions like Lloyds that are still vital today.

    Which sector is more important to the UK than the financial services sector of London?

    It’s your crown jewel, and you don’t even realize it.

  58. Phantom

    Didn’t us taxpayers bail Lloyds out?.

  59. It’s your crown jewel, and you don’t even realize it.

    OK – how does it support British industry? You gave an example a couple of days ago which I used to show that the City of London undermines British industry. The criminality and corruption radiating from said ‘jewel’ (appropriate) have destroyed not only industry in the UK but fundamentals such as law and morality – where value is money and nothing else

  60. It supports 500,000 jobs me bucko.

    And every major British industrial concern buys its products – cash management, bonds, various types of property and liability insurance.

    You can’t have a modern economy without those products.

    All companies in all advanced countries by some or all of those products.

  61. Some jewel Lloyd’s is..

    Us mug taxpayers lost half a billion.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/lloyds-bank-taxpayer-bailout-cut-stake-government-share-sale-a7471296.html

  62. More that 500,000 people are employed in or around the City of London.

    That’s almost the entire population of the City of Sheffield. I wonder how those unemployed would be remployed?

  63. harri, Allan

    I invite you to expel Lloyds and all the companies in the City from the UK next week.

    And we will invite them to re-domesticate in NYC.

    Please, I’m begging you

  64. Phantom

    Who wants to expel them?

    You appear to be confused my friend.

    I just want my money back

  65. Phantom

    All these auto manufacturing plants in the UK.

    Why are they not bailed out like the banks were?

  66. harri

    Your question is a fair one

    But Allan thinks that they are all parasites, and that banks are useless, etc. He would want you using rocks and twigs as a modicum of exchange.

  67. That’s almost the entire population of the City of Sheffield. I wonder how those unemployed would be remployed?

    They would go back home.

    Here is an example of the calibre of what is washing up on European shores. Unfortunately for this culprit, he did his murdering in Italy, so his punishment after jail will be to be returned to live among his own instead of decent Italians…..

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/04/03/moroccan-admits-murder-italian-man-who-smiled-him/

    A Moroccan migrant has admitted to murdering Italian man Stefano Leo, claiming that he wanted to kill someone “young, white and Italian.”

    Said Mechaout, 27, born in Morocco but a naturalised Italian citizen, confessed to the killing, which occurred on the banks of the river Po in Turin on February 23rd, claiming he had purposely been waiting to kill a white Italian near his own age, Il Giornale reports.

    “I hit a white, based on the obvious fact that a young Italian would have caused a sensation,” he allegedly told police.

    “I looked at him and I was sure he was Italian. I wanted to kill a guy like me, take away all the promises he had, children, remove him from his friends and relatives,” Mechaout said.

    We ‘need’ migrants to pay for our pensions…..etc.

  68. Phantom

    They got bailed out off the backs of ordinary Joe and Jane struggling to make ends meet month by month taxpayers.

    They got free money from the little people.

    They are parasites.

  69. That industry deserves much of the criticism that it gets, esp as respects the US/UK led financial markets failure of 2008, but the City been a major net contributor to the UK economy over time. That should not be in dispute.

    Even with the bailouts factored in, you’re way ahead. Trust me.

  70. But Allan thinks that they are all parasites, and that banks are useless, etc. He would want you using rocks and twigs as a modicum of exchange.

    No – money is fine, controlled by the nation and its value retained without usurious practices. Banks are fine too, but they cannot be allowed to create money otherwise they parasitise the entire economy. Here’s the man who fought the bank, so the bank bought every politician to destroy him and the country which showed how usury-free economics works……

    https://vimeo.com/135159303

  71. What is an usurious practice?

    Charging interest money that is borrowed?

  72. Let’s look at the real economy, miles away from the glitzy banking sectors of London and New York. What are the consequences of an economy dominated by criminal financial practices……

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/29/us-economy-workers-paycheck-robert-reich

    The official rate of unemployment in America has plunged to a remarkably low 3.8%. The Federal Reserve forecasts that the unemployment rate will reach 3.5% by the end of the year.

    But the official rate hides more troubling realities: legions of college grads overqualified for their jobs, a growing number of contract workers with no job security, and an army of part-time workers desperate for full-time jobs. Almost 80% of Americans say they live from paycheck to paycheck, many not knowing how big their next one will be.

    Blanketing all of this are stagnant wages and vanishing job benefits. The typical American worker now earns around $44,500 a year, not much more than what the typical worker earned in 40 years ago, adjusted for inflation. Although the US economy continues to grow, most of the gains have been going to a relatively few top executives of large companies, financiers, and inventors and owners of digital devices.

    College graduates with $60,000 debt and a degree in gender studies, flipping burgers – that’s the US economy, and it’s the same in the UK.

  73. Phantom, on April 5th, 2019 at 6:06 PM Said:

    What is an usurious practice?

    Charging interest money that is borrowed?

    Simply the creation of money as debt. When money is created by the privately-owned central bank, said money appears in the real economy as loans – through credit cards and mortgages. These loans demand interest payment which means that sooner or later, more money will be taken out of the economy than was loaned in – and then more debt has to be created which is exactly why the debts of strangulated economies such as the UK and US are out-of-control and beyond means of repayment.

    Money should be created as investment in the national infrastructure as, for example, a high-speed rail-link from A to B would generate $Xbillion economic activity over an investment cycle (say 10 years), then the government creates that amount of money and puts it into the economy via the civil engineering sector which buys heavy machinery, pays its workers who then pay tax and, once completed, the project provides revenues by its very existence. Money should not be created as usurious debt.

  74. If I want to start a business that will require $10 million to get started, who should I get the money from?

    How should that person or enterprise be compensated for the use of that money?

  75. That’s almost the entire population of the City of Sheffield. I wonder how those unemployed would be remployed?

    They would go back home

    What? Where would you send the workers in the City of London home to? I mean, before they became members of the professional political class Brexit superheroes Rees Mogg and Farage were City of London whizzkids. Where would you send Jake and the Nige home to?