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NOT SURPRISED

By Pete Moore On April 25th, 2019

Out of the blue came the economic terrorists of Extinction Rebellion, stinking up the streets of London. The BBC follows them up with a doomsday doc by David Attenborough. Then we get hit with the Child of the Corn, a 16 year old Swedish girl with total access to the political class and a fawning media through which to lecture us on our evil ways.

These things do not just happen. They did coincide purely by chance.

So consider me unsurprised to learn that Greta Thunberg’s handler is a Luisa Neubauer, who works for “one.org”.It appears to be funded by, among others, Bill and Melinda Gates, Bono, and George Soros’ Open Society.

43 Responses to “NOT SURPRISED”

  1. So consider me unsurprised to learn that Greta Thunberg’s handler is a Luisa Neubauer, who works for “one.org”. It appears to be funded by, among others, Bill and Melinda Gates, Bono, and George Soros’ Open Society.

    And the problem is?

    It’s a laugh (and also a bit chilling) watching Rightworld fossil fuel shills like Pete attacking a sixteen year old with Asbergers. It’s so much easier for these middle-aged hacks to do that than engage with her point, which that global warming is accelerating and climate chaos is already upon us and we need to act decisively and stop promoting and subsidising fossil fuels.

  2. ” Greenland’s ice sheet is melting six times faster than it was in the 1980s. And all that meltwater is directly raising sea levels. That’s all according to a new study, published yesterday (April 22) in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, that carefully reconstructs the behavior of the ice sheet in the decades before modern measurement tools became available. Scientists already knew that there was a lot more ice on Greenland in the 1970s and 1980s. And they’ve had precise measurements of the increase in melting since the 1990s. Now they know just how dramatically things have changed in the last 46 years.”

    https://www.livescience.com/65302-greenland-ice-melting-so-much-faster.html

  3. “One of Antarctica’s largest emperor penguin colonies is all but gone following three unprecedented years in which the penguins weren’t able to raise chicks.

    A new paper published today in Antarctic Science describes the disappearance and likely relocation of the Halley Bay emperor penguin colony—one of the largest colonies in Antarctica in terms of population, and second only to the Coulman Island colony in the Ross Sea. British Antarctic Survey researchers Peter Fretwell and Philip Trathan used satellite imagery to document three consecutive years, from 2016 to 2018, in which the Halley Bay penguins suffered almost total breeding failure on the Brunt Ice Shelf…

    High-resolution imagery captured by the WorldView2 and WorldView3 satellites showed near-complete reproductive failure in 2016, followed by similarly fruitless breeding campaigns in 2017 and 2018. Disturbing images taken of Windy Creek demonstrate the effects: The once smooth, guano-smeared ice has been replaced by a jagged, poop-free landscape—save for a painfully small pocket of penguins persisting in one corner. As noted in the study, the catastrophic breeding failure was linked to the early breakup of ice in the areas used for breeding—a breakup triggered by “a particularly stormy period in September 2015, which corresponded with the strongest El Niño in over 60 years, strong winds, and a record low sea-ice year locally.” Conditions at the site have not recovered since that time…”

    https://gizmodo.com/catastrophic-breeding-failures-have-obliterated-a-lar-1834305926

  4. omg we’re all gonna die……

  5. First thing we have to do is shoot all the cows…..

  6. where does your candidate rate?

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/02/08/spartacus-compares-bovine-flatulence-regulation-to-defeat-of-nazis-and-moon-landing/comment-page-1/

  7. LOL Patrick

    The cows have **** all to do with it as you well know. Methane is a warming gas but it disappears in a few years, whereas CO2 lasts up there for decades.

    But do keep posting fossil-fuel shill talking points and do keep ignoring the evidence of melting glaciers. That’s what free speech is all about, the right to ignore evidence in favour of your fossil fuel cult.

  8. Another rat leaves the sinking ship:

    “Another executive has apparently decided to ditch the shrinking US coal mining industry: Bill Koch, who made billions selling petcoke and coal with his company Oxbow Carbon. Energy and Environment News reports:

    “The coal business in the United States has kind of died,” Koch said during a phone interview Friday, “so we’re out of the coal business now.” Bill Koch is the younger brother of notorious oil billionaires Charles and David Koch, and while he has not played a major role in funding climate denial and right wing extremist groups like his brothers, he has used his wealth in other ways to try and protect his fossil fuel business from competition and health, labor, and environmental safeguards. Bill Koch’s role in funding attacks on the Cape Wind project was detailed in this 2010 report, and more recently he gave millions to super PACs in the 2012 elections to try to defeat President Obama, taking advantage of the controversial Citizens United Supreme Court ruling…”

    https://grist.org/article/bill-koch-is-the-latest-executive-to-leave-the-coal-business-saying-it-has-kind-of-died/

  9. Coal is in terminal, rapid, decline.

    It is amazing that such a useless cause as ” revive coal burning ” was such a center of a winning campaign.

  10. Yes Phantom, but Trump and his groupies are still shilling for “clean coal”, maybe the biggest lie ever of Liar Trump’s presidency.

  11. “This is not a new type of statement. Environmentalists such as Dan Becker, director of the Sierra Club’s Global Warming and Energy Program, have often claimed that the term “clean coal” is misleading: “There is no such thing as clean coal and there never will be. It’s an oxymoron,” he said. He’s not the only one to hold that view.

    “There is no such thing as ‘clean coal,’” Travis Nichols, a spokesman for the environmental giant Greenpeace, told The Huffington Post by email. “It’s a myth used by the industry to get taxpayer money in order to prop up a dying industry. It’s worse than pixie dust and hope, it’s coal dust and nope. Coal miners deserve a just transition, not snake oil and empty promises.”

    https://www.zmescience.com/science/clean-coal-lie-13072017/

  12. I’m not shilling for nothing except capitalism. Mankind can’t exist without fire/fuel. The three most economic way to power mankind at this time are coal, oil, and natural gas.

    And mankind couldn’t effect the planet if it tried. No creature is as arrogant as man.

  13. I’m not shilling for nothing except capitalism. Mankind can’t exist without fire/fuel. The three most economic way to power mankind at this time are coal, oil, and natural gas. And mankind couldn’t effect the planet if it tried.

    No, you are shilling for fossil fuels. Capitalism is moving on to renewables whatever Trump tries to do to delay that. The stone age did not end because we ran out of stone.

    Mankind’s arrogance is that it can do what it likes with this planet. As I’m sure you know, we have already killed off thousands of species and our kill rate is increasing by the decade as we destroy habitats, over-hunt and over-fish and over-pollute. Try to imagine what climate your grand-children might be faced with in 2060 if we do nothing to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

  14. the stone age ended because man harnessed FIRE….. coal, oil, natural gas… the earth’s natural abundant gifts for man.

  15. No, the stone age ended when we discovered metals. That was thousands of years ago. We only started burning fossil fuels a few hundred years ago and now we know the damage they cause to our atmosphere we need to stop burning them asap.

    Wind and solar are already cheaper than coal in many parts of the world and electric cars will replace petrol and diesel cars soon. We already have the technologies to leave fossil fuels behind us, it’s just a question of how fast we can do it.

  16. Electric cars today would of course be predominantly powered by electricity produced by burning fossil fuels

  17. The issue with electric cars isn’t so much that it would be powered primarily by electricity produced by burning fossil fuels. Ultimately a far higher proportion of electricity is produced by renewable than vehicles.

    The issue is what the batteries are made from. The main type of electric car batteries are made from lithium cobalt oxide.

    Currently only 0.4% of all cars on the road in the world are electric.

    The world currently mines about 45,000 tonnes of lithium every year. Now not all of that 45,000 tonnes go to electric cars. Lithium are used for other devices as well. Around 20% of the mined lithium is used in electric vehicles. So over 9,000 tonnes for 0.4% of the cars. To get that to 100% we would need about 2,300,000 tonnes of lithium. There are only about 16 million tonnes of lithium known in the world reserve. So while a shortage is unlikely it will eventually happen, with the more likely scenario that the price of lithium extraction will render market saturation almost impossible.

    Additionally over half of the world’s lithium reserves are in South America where the method of lithium extractions is itself very, very energy intensive, causing both price hikes and a question mark over the full conservation value of them.

    The other major material used in most portable batteries is cobalt. The world currently uses about 140,000 tonnes of cobalt every year, of which about 15,000 is used in electric vehicle batteries. To get to 100% that would jump to around 3,500,000 tonnes of cobalt. There are only around 7,000,000 tonnes of known cobalt, and is largely produced as a bi-product of copper mining.

    Not only would it heavily exhaust the world’s cobalt reserves it would also do so at huge human cost. Around 65% of the world’s cobalt production, and around 50% of the world’s cobalt reserves, are in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. A place that from a stability point of view makes most of the Middle East look like Switzerland. There is also evidence that a substantial amount of the cobalt mined in the DRC is mined with slave and child labour.

    Now the alternatives are inventing new types of batteries that don’t use cobalt (or as much cobalt). Some people are working on that. Sourcing cobalt from other countries is also possible (but much more expensive).

    And short of a realistic alternative battery material source the likely situation is that the price of cobalt will balloon (especially if the most readily available source is excluded for ethical reasons), again preventing market saturation due to price.

  18. Metals were after FIRE metal could have not been manipulated without FIRE. The harnessing of fire was the first step up from animal for our species. Still till this day our entire world is powered by fire…..

    I saw this and thought of you Peter….. All I can hear is Scotties voice “I can not change the Laws of Physics Jim”… ahh but we have to… Why? Because we’ve discovered more that shows us we know less than we thought….

    https://www.cnet.com/news/universe-is-expanding-faster-than-we-thought-and-no-one-knows-why/

    but 100yrs from now WE KNOW the Earth will be destroyed by climate change…. lmao

  19. Hopefully ATW is running strong 100 years from now and we’re all still arguing on it 🙂

  20. The Stone Age is estimated to have ended some time between 8700 BC and 2000 BC. The use of fire first occurred about 1,700,000 years ago. It actually predates humans. Homo erectus used fire. Evidence of widespread control of fire has been seen from about 125,000 years ago.

    So the movement from the stone age was not the discovering and harnessing of fire. It was the use of metals as Peter says.

  21. Seamus

    Yes, we need a breakthrough on batteries, including inventing ones that can store vast quantities of power generated from renewables to be used when demand increases at night. At a domestic level, this means a home battery that would store solar power during the day for you to use when you get home from work.

    There is already a huge amount of R&D being spent on this, and at least three different solutions are in sight. But it requires a Manhattan Project funded by governments, because time is short. But Trump wants to give state subsidies to coal instead of funding the energies of the future.

  22. I’m not sure whether a Manhattan Project analogy is the best. Government funded research and development is fine. Government directed research and development tends to not be great. The greatest innovations are not targeted

    The most innovative word in the English language is not eureka. It’s some guy looking at something and going “Hmm. That’s weird”. Research, at its best, will be directed.

    Government funding for these things is one thing – allow scientists the commercial safety net that allows them to do their research. Government direction tends to be narrow minded, finely focused, and ultimately linear in its thinking – almost the opposite of innovation.

    We would likely have the greatest battery ever made, and ten thousand proposals on conservation of energy, but might miss out on the actual game changing innovations.

  23. *Research, at its best, will not be directed.

  24. Phantom, on April 26th, 2019 at 6:47 PM Said:
    Hopefully ATW is running strong 100 years from now and we’re all still arguing on it 🙂

    Amen

  25. Seamus

    I share your reservations about government funding. But this is an emergency, just like it was an emergency in 1941 for the USA to build the first atom bomb. So resources need to be thrown at this. We need to stop throwing CO2 into the atmosphere at ever growing rates, or our children and grandchildren will reap the whirlwind and curse us for our selfishness and stupidity.

  26. I wish that there was much more of a focus on using less energy – in all things

    Everywhere you go, you see waste, empty rooms lit up, air conditioned stores with the doors open in the summertime, buses and trucks idling for 20 minutes when there is no need for it

  27. I wish that there was much more of a focus on using less energy – in all things

    Try growing, preparing and cooking your dinner in a pre-industrial manner. You’ll soon find that your industrial way uses a fraction of the energy by comparison.

    The truth is that our capitalist and market oriented way of life is astonishingly energy efficient compared to anything which came before, or any alternative.

  28. The greatest innovations are not targeted

    Ah well, now, that’s true. Planning is overrated.

  29. “The truth is that our capitalist and market oriented way of life is astonishingly energy efficient compared to anything which came before, or any alternative.”

    Simply isn’t true. We use far more electricity and energy now that we did previously. We didn’t have computers. We didn’t have central heating. We didn’t have electric lights. We didn’t have cars, or trains, or buses, or planes.

  30. We use far more electricity and energy now that we did previously.

    To support far more comfortable lives for far more people than ever lived on the planet. We really don’t want to revert to agrarian societies of old. Most of the human population would starve or freeze to death in months. We can only support a planet of billions, in energy and food, with capitalism and markets.

    Those computers, cars, trains and buses supports economies which produce wealth which was unimaginable to kings and emperors just a few generations ago. The future, including a cleaner and greener future, depends on wealth creation.

  31. Absolutely. However it also depends on reigning in harmful short term exploration of natural resources and the environment, something the market has not been good at doing.

  32. The future, including a cleaner and greener future, depends on wealth creation.

    Yes Pete, but your pal Trump and his fossil fuel cronies want to drill for oil in the Arctic and everywhere else. And to subsidise coal. And to hold back clean energy as much as possible for as long as possible. There are vast profits to be reaped and they intend to reap them. And you support that “wealth creation”.

  33. Trump has spoken of forcing utilities to continue to burn coal when they want to convert to gas.

    He is an anti-environmental, anti free market president.

  34. However it also depends on reigning in harmful short term exploration of natural resources and the environment, something the market has not been good at doing.

    What are you on about, in front of your petro-made and precious metal-containing PC?!

    We are astonishingly efficient at exploiting so few resources to support such a large population. We are astonishingly efficient because of market forces. We’d need a planet the size of Jupiter to support a planet of many billions if we reverted to the pre-industrial food production methods espoused by the eco-jihadis.

    That we screw so much food, energy and raw materials from a planet so small, at such little monetary and environmental cost, while preserving more and more of it, is a testament to the wonders of capitalism and markets.

    Tell me, go on tell me, which socialist-afflicted societies can do so much?

  35. You keep suggesting that it is one or other. That you must be 100% this way or 100% that way. How about we be generally capitalist but reign in the most harmful aspects of capitalism?

  36. Good luck with that Seamus.

  37. As many of us have said here, correctly, in our different ways, is that you can’t have any decent society without democracy, capitalism and socialist policies at the same time.

    Morons have idioted up the world socialist, and other idiots demonize capitalism.

    It’s best not to be idiots at all, and to do what’s best for a particular society.

  38. How about we be generally capitalist but reign in the most harmful aspects of capitalism?

    There are no harmful aspects of capitalism. It is simply a method of property ownership. In fact we need to rein in the harmful aspects of anti-capitalism. Anti-capitalism is far more deadly than capitalism, by a million miles. The world is testament to this.

    So let’s rein in the harmful aspects of anti-capitalism, yes?

  39. It is not simply a method of property ownership however. Because if you burn stuff on your land then it impacts on mine.

    There are also certain things that simply cannot be managed adequately via private property and should be public property.

  40. Its more than that.

    If you dump bad pollutants on your own land in an irresponsible way, even if it does not impact the land or waters of others ( at least not immediately ) you are still doing a very wrong thing.

    And companies did that stuff all the time until regulation and law stopped them from doing it.

  41. There are no harmful aspects of capitalism.

    LOL. Tell that to the Uber drivers who work for £5 per hour and the Bangladeshi factoty workers who earned 20p per hour until their factory burned down and killed them.

    You are on the side of the crony capitalists and rent seekers. For shame.

  42. Capitalism without regulation tends toward cruelty and will create the forces that will destroy it.

  43. Peter

    Peter, on April 26th, 2019 at 8:35 PM Said:
    Seamus

    I share your reservations about government funding. But this is an emergency, just like it was an emergency in 1941 for the USA to build the first atom bomb. So resources need to be thrown at this. We need to stop throwing CO2 into the atmosphere at ever growing rates, or our children and grandchildren will reap the whirlwind and curse us for our selfishness and stupidity.

    In all seriousness that is totally insane. The Myth of man made climate change is just that a myth.

    Man has not effected the Climate and man can not fix it or control it to do as we want or need. I’m sorry my friend but to think otherwise is pure folly.

    The US is running a greener fueled economy than any other on Earth. We’ve cleaned our rivers and our air we have Eagles fully returned to the East Coast where 20yrs ago there were none. Cougars and Bears are attacking people left and right on the west coast because of how well they are doing and they have started organizing Wolf Hunts to keep their population in check.

    You can not force the worlds population back to the stone-age just because the fuel we need to live if mishandled is bad for the environment.

    There are no replacements for Coal, Oil, and Natural Gas. Eventually there will be, through innovation driven by capitalistic greed. Tat’s what will save both the planet and the species.