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THEY WANT TO TAKE YOUR STUFF

By Pete Moore On April 26th, 2019

At least posh and privileged George Monbiot is an honest wacko. He doesn’t hide his light under a bushel. Probably because he doesn’t have light when it’s not windy. Most eco-jihadis pretend to care about the planet. We know different. We know that it’s revolutionary communism by other means. And here comes George again to remind us.

Dare to declare capitalism dead – before it takes us all down with it

The economic system is incompatible with the survival of life on Earth. It is time to design a new one

Capitalism is just a form of property ownership. Monbiot knows this. He’s a Stowe and Oxbridge man, so we can assume he knows stuff. What he’s saying, therefore, is that they’re going to take your stuff. Your stuff is killing the planet, so you can’t have any stuff. In the end that’s what it’s all about.

30 Responses to “THEY WANT TO TAKE YOUR STUFF”

  1. Capitalism is just a form of property ownership.

    LOL

    Capitalism is an entire economic and political system which has many benefits and many downsides. The benefits have included the rule of law for most (but not in Russia or China) and rising living standards for most. The downsides include ever growing inequality, massive money-laundering (think property in Kensington) and massive tax-dodging by billionaires. Oh, and destruction of the planet as we pillage our environment in the name of economic growth (think coal and ever rising temperatures).

  2. except temperature rises aren’t caused by burning coal……

  3. except temperature rises aren’t caused by burning coal

    No, they are and we have known this since 1880.

  4. Peter –

    “Capitalism” refers only to a form of property ownership. Many often confuse it with “markets”, which is what we might do with what we own. Combined, they form an economic system.

    It’s a system which has lifted literally billions out of grinding poverty while improving the environment. Anti-capitalist and anti-market societies cannot hold a candle to capitalism and markets for making lives better, healthier and longer lived in cleaner environments.

    No, poor societies do not care for the environment, because they cannot afford to do so. The people are too busy trying to improve their lives for such excesses. Clean and green environments are purely and only the products of capitalist and market societies.

  5. Clean and green environments are purely and only the products of capitalist and market societies.

    So why are you and yours so pro fossil fuels and anti clean energy, and so keen to attack those who support clean energy, including the girl from Denmark?

  6. Without environmental law that all must obey, capitalist societies even rich ones will be polluting.

    Because its very often cheaper to pollute, if you measure things only in dollars.

  7. Because its very often cheaper to pollute

    Nonsense.

    Dump your rubbish in your neighbour’s yard. Tell me how cheap that turns out for you. “The polluter pays” is the ultimate capitalist and libertarian rule. It says that I’ll screw you if you despoil my property, so you stick to your yard and I’ll stick to mine.

  8. That this place is full of communists, though they don’t realise they espouse communism, is proof of the triumph of radical left propaganda in the media, education and the cultural institutions.

  9. And what about the pollution of non private property? The air, the rivers, the sea? Who pays for that unless the government steps in and makes them?

  10. Pete

    Shocking lack of thought here

    Very many companies have caused great pollution by polluting their own land.

    Then when they go bust, who pays to clean it up?

    Very many private companies and governments polluted the rivers and oceans. Until laws and regulations made it illegal to do that anymore.

  11. //you stick to your yard and I’ll stick to mine.//

    Whose yard is the stratosphere in?

  12. Pete

    Does a person or company have a right to pollute their own land?

    Be careful how you answer that. And don’t insult anyone’s intelligence by saying that they’d never do it because they have done it many times.

    Examples on request.

  13. The Laws are the Laws. The US is the cleanest industrial nation in the world, we’ve reduced our emissions more than any nation.

    According to the 2017 BP Statistical Review of World Energy, since 2005 annual U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have declined by 758 million metric tons. That is by far the largest decline of any country in the world over that timespan and is nearly as large as the 770 million metric ton decline for the entire European Union.

    By comparison, the second largest decline during that period was registered by the United Kingdom, which reported a 170 million metric ton decline. At the same time, China’s carbon dioxide emissions grew by 3 billion metric tons, and India’s grew by 1 billion metric tons.

    Thus, I don’t think it’s the least bit misleading to claim that the U.S. is leading the world in reducing carbon dioxide emissions.

  14. Those numbers sound right, and China has a lot to answer for but…

    The US has been developed and rich forever and China came up to any prosperity in very recent times.

  15. Seamus –

    The air, the rivers, the sea? Who pays for that unless the government steps in and makes them?

    I told you, the polluter pays. That’s not a matter of law, it’s morality and justice. Good, private property rights justice.

    Gentlemen –

    By a million miles, capitalist societies are cleaner, greener, wealthier and happier than anti-capitalist societies. We obsess about the environment in capitalist societies. Millions of us volunteer our time and money to protect it.

    No-one does that in anti-capitalist and non-industrial societies, because they’re too concerned with chopping down the trees to cook their food, and what little money they have is sucked up in trying to live.

    You are not only commie sock puppets, you are selfish degenerates to boot. How dare you spit on the greatest luck that anyone ever had, to be born into the richest, most caring, most peaceable and cleanest civilisation which ever existed, and decry it?

  16. Pete

    Put the Everclear down

    It was primarily law and regulation that made the Thames and Hudson rivers cleaner.

    Law and regulation that spurred the development of new technology also. There wasn’t a market for it before the laws came in. I told you that before, and gave you case examples

  17. “The US is the cleanest industrial nation in the world, we’ve reduced our emissions more than any nation.”

    That’s not an honest assessment. From your own source:

    According to World Bank data, U.S. per capita carbon dioxide emissions rank 11th among countries. So, we are not the largest per capita emitter, but we do emit 2.2 times as much on a per capita basis as China.

  18. Per capita is the way to do comparisons of this type

  19. Phantom –

    It was primarily law and regulation that made the Thames and Hudson rivers cleaner.

    No, it was wealth.

    Environmental laws always follow wealth creation. Poor societies cannot afford such laws. That’s why Third World countries never legislate themselves greener. Third World countries are dirty because they are poor. Their buildings are crap and fall down because they are poor, not because they didn’t have the right regulations.

    Wealth is the gateway to a better and more just future.

  20. Without those laws, you’d still have dirty rivers, Pete.

    It’s very cheap to dump waste in the river, like General Electric did for years up the Hudson

  21. The US is the cleanest industrial nation in the world, we’ve reduced our emissions more than any nation.

    Patrick

    I thought your view is that emissions don’t count any more than cow farts count?

  22. Pete Moore

    As I asked earlier: So why are you and yours so pro fossil fuels and anti clean energy, and so keen to attack those who support clean energy, including the girl from Denmark?

  23. Without those laws, you’d still have dirty rivers, Pete.

    Newton was a genius while chamber pots were being emptied into the Thames. The lack of laws isn’t because people are stupid. It’s because – as I keep trying to explain – that such laws follow wealth creation first.

    The dirtiest rivers are in the Third World, because they are poor societies. Their legislators knows about laws, but their societies aren’t yet wealthy enough to get beyond having to think about food and energy yet.

    The history of the world is crystal clear, that we can only indulge ourselves in preserving the world once we are wealthy and efficient enough to do so.

  24. Wealth and good environmental law go together very well, Pete.

  25. Pete has ignored my question at 10.38 twice.

    I think we can draw our own conclusions.

  26. Somehow, the right wing have got it in their heads that being against environmental law and regulation is a conservative position of some kind.

    It’s the most ridiculous position I’ve ever heard, except for everything that Allan ever said

  27. // The US is the cleanest industrial nation in the world, we’ve reduced our emissions more than any nation.//

    That’s a worthless statement. It’s relatively easy to improve from a very low standard.

    And of course it’s insane to claim the US is the cleanest industrial nation.

    According to this table, the US was in 2017 the second worst polluter in terms of fossil CO2, better only than China, and worse than the entire 28 EU countries combined. In per-capita figures, the US, Australia and Canada were the worst polluters among the industrialised nations. The US had a pro-capita rate no less than THREE TIMES that of Sweden.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

  28. Fossil fuels such as coal are clean energy. The cleaning systems for flue gases remove all pollutants and the captured compounds are even valuable enough to be re-cycled. Note – CO2 is not a pollutant, but SO2 certainly is

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7976550_Chemical_and_Physical_Properties_of_Dry_Flue_Gas_Desulfurization_Products

  29. Fossil fuels such as coal are clean energy. The cleaning systems for flue gases remove all pollutants and the captured compounds are even valuable enough to be re-cycled.

    But CO2 is still being emitted 100%. Stop being a climate liar Allan.

  30. Patrick

    I thought your view is that emissions don’t count any more than cow farts count?

    Cow Farts are the number one source of co2 on the planet and I don’t give them no mind just as I don’t give a crap about corporate emissions of co2. BUT…… since everyone panders to the cult of AGW and in spite of not being part of your stupid accords the US has done more to reduce the gasses that give you nightmares than aqny other nation on the planet and we have done so while increasing our gas and oil production to the first place in the world….

    That’s better than the Krauts, the Japs or any of you Euroweeny Country’s.