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THEN AND NOW….

By David Vance On April 27th, 2019

14 Responses to “THEN AND NOW….”

  1. I didn’t realise we were still in 2008. Forget global warming, it seems that time itself has frozen 😉

  2. Ah, The usual ignorance and dishonesty about global warming, demonstrated on ATW.

    I’m glad the word experts is in quotes, because if you ever bothered to actually read any of these articles, you’d find out that many of them are actually opinion pieces, mostly written by individuals, who only occasionally have scientific qualifications.

    The real experts, as is demonstrably provable, have been pretty consistent in their opinions on climate change. As well as extremely accurate.

  3. David.

    As usual, you might want to check your FACTS on the above article.

    http://science.time.com/2013/06/06/sorry-a-time-magazine-cover-did-not-predict-a-coming-ice-age/

    https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/06/04/the-1970s-ice-age-myth-and-time-magazine-covers-by-david-kirtley

  4. Nice catch Mr. Alton.

  5. Thank you Mahons.

    But it’s a bit like shooting fish in a barrel on ATW, when it comes to disapproving their so called facts about climate change being wrong.

  6. all the predictions of man made climate change are nothing but opinion from “experts” on that side of the coin. There is no conclusive scientific facts to back up either side.

    Man does not understand the science of “Climate”. It is beyond our ability still at this time to grasp the variables.

  7. Patrick

    At least those of us who accept the scientific findings of climate change, don’t have to post fake news articles like David did above to support its findings.

    I’ll ask you again the question I repeatedly asked you when you come out with your nonsense Patrick.

    Here’s the facts:
    The climate is changing at a faster rate than in recorded history.
    Mankind is producing huge quantities of greenhouse gases.
    Greenhouse gases even in small amounts warm the planet.

    Would you like to show me which one of these facts is wrong Patrick?

  8. All 3 are wrong.

    The climate is changing at a faster rate than in recorded history.

    1.8 Million years ago the planet was encased in ice….. Why?

    11,800 years ago it started to thaw…. Why?

    Compared to 1.8 Million years ago the planet is still raising in temperature. Has it reached the top of the temperature increase or not?

    Mankind is producing huge quantities of greenhouse gases.

    Mankind produces LESS greenhouse gas than oceanic evaporation and volcanic eruptions.

    Greenhouse gases even in small amounts warm the planet.

    That is just a total lie. No proof exists.

    The Science of Climate must be measured by 100s of thousands even Millions of years. Man does not have the ability to calculate or even know the variables over several million years, but you want to destroy mankind because you have “faith” that those that have convinced you that they understand all the variables and can control them.

  9. Patrick Van Roy,

    The climate is changing at a faster rate than in recorded history.

    1.8 Million years ago the planet was encased in ice….. Why?

    11,800 years ago it started to thaw…. Why?

    Your usual diversionary tactic Patrick and answering a question with a question.
    Climate change in the past has nothing to do with the discussion we’re having.

    The statement which you haven’t proven wrong is that the climate is changing faster now than if any point in recorded history. Prove that statement wrong Patrick.

    Mankind produces LESS greenhouse gas than oceanic evaporation and volcanic eruptions.

    Once again patrick you haven’t address the statement. can you just proved that mankind is producing huge quantities of greenhouse gases.
    oh and your diversion we answer is completely wrong as you will be told before volcanoes do not produce more greenhouse gases than mankind. More fake news from the climate change deniers.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-volcanoes-or-humans/

    That is just a total lie. No proof exists.

    Well at least you actually address the statement this time Patrick. But unfortunately you’re completely wrong. Even most of the climate change deniers agree that the planet is getting warmer Patrick. There’s literally mountains of evidence to show that this is the case. Come on Patrick, give me your best evidence that the planet hasn’t been getting warmer in the last 100 years.

  10. The planet is getting warmer Dave 1.8 million years ago the planet was a ball of ice it’s still defrosting as the Earth is on a cycle of orbiting closer to the Sun than it was 2 million years ago.

    I answer your questions with questions because if you can’t answer them you can’t predict what is happening. Lets put it in terms that you may be able to grasp.

    You say weather is not climate. The reason always given for that is that weather is short term.

    Climate takes 100s of thousands of years to change yet you believe a 2 degree shift in temperature over a measly 100yrs is enough to predict what effect that will have over a million years.

    You don’t see the problem?

    If you can’t relate your current data to the data from 2 million years ago you have no baseline to go by to check your figures. Which is why the computer models never give the same answer twice.

  11. what nothing to say?

  12. Not the 1970s “new ice age” myth again surely? Can someone please drive a wooden stake through this dead unicorn?

    The global warming denialists keep recyclycling the same lies, again and again and again and again. Because they have nothing else to offer. The science is settled and they know it, but they will keep shilling for fossil fuels until all of the ice caps have melted. And that melting will be explained as “natural variability”.

  13. Between 1965 and 1979 six times as many scientific papers prediced warming as predicted cooling:

    “At the same time as some scientists were suggesting we might be facing another ice age, a greater number published contradicting studies. Their papers showed that the growing amount of greenhouse gasses that humans were putting into the atmosphere would cause much greater warming – warming that would exert a much greater influence on global temperature than any possible natural or human-caused cooling effects.

    By 1980 the predictions about ice ages had ceased, due to the overwhelming evidence contained in an increasing number of reports that warned of global warming. Unfortunately, the small number of predictions of an ice age appeared to be much more interesting than those of global warming, so it was those sensational ‘Ice Age’ stories in the press that so many people tend to remember…”

    https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm

  14. Here is a link to the ten most common myths pedalled by the denialists shilling for fossil fuels. It has remained unchanged for at least ten years and each myth is debunked comprehensively. But of course that doesn’t stop them coming around again and again, like groundhog day:

    https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php