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SO PROSECUTE ALL POLITICIANS

By Pete Moore On May 29th, 2019

What establishment coup against Brexit? Just as the Tory Party leadership contest gets underway, it must surely be sheer coincidence that a Force 10 Remain whinge has been given this green light.

Boris Johnson has been ordered to appear in court over claims he lied by saying the UK gave the EU £350m a week. The Tory leadership candidate has been accused of misconduct in public office after making the claim during the 2016 EU referendum campaign.

It is a private prosecution launched by campaigner Marcus Ball, who crowdfunded £200,000 for the case. A source close to Mr Johnson called the case a “politically motivated attempt to reverse Brexit”.

This isn’t isolated and it sets an extreme and deadly precedent. It takes the cut and thrust of political debate into the purlieu of the state. Anyone tempted to cheer ought to be careful what they wish for. There are many other statements which are demonstrably false and must likewise ve tested in court. Think of –

“Diversity is our strength”

“Real socialism has never been tried”

“The EU has kept the peace in Europe”, and

“A vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession and lead to an increase in unemployment of around 500,000”

The intention here is twofold; to both embarrass Boris Johnson and to crush free and open debate. The establishment is that evil and it will stop at nothing to negate democracy.

58 Responses to “SO PROSECUTE ALL POLITICIANS”

  1. A private funding of a government prosecution should bother everyone. Boris may very well have lied, so don’t vote for him. Prosecuting him is ridiculous.

  2. yeah what do you think….. his name is Trump!

  3. What establishment coup against Brexit?

    As sure as night follows day 🙂

    Paul McMahon, on May 29th, 2019 at 11:09 AM Said:

    No doubt the Deep State or the EU or Common Purpose trying to frustrate Brexit:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/boris-johnson-trial-brexit-court-lying-prosecution-nhs-vote-leave-a8934451.html

    Boris may very well have lied, so don’t vote for him. Prosecuting him is ridiculous.

    I think the idea is to get him into court to demonstrate to the masses that he lied more than the actual prosecution itself Mahons. Incidentally, the bumbeling oafish charicature really is a nasty piece of work:

    https://twitter.com/GHNeale/status/1132041557333413888

    While we’re on the subject of ‘the establishment’ and taking ‘the cut and thrust of political debate into the purlieu of the state’ Pete:

    […] https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48384000

    By accident or by design? ATW’s commetariat have been very quiet over such a scandalous incident?

    It seems a test case is being drawn up on the ‘systemic denial’ of suffrage.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/25/eu-citizens-denied-vote-in-european-elections-to-sue-uk-government

  4. Everyone knows that most politicians tell lies; BJ lies just like the rest of them. Telling lies in public isn’t a crime.

  5. Pete

    You are comparing apples with oranges. The lies told by Remain were forecasts (the economy will melt down) which are different from lies told by Leave which were about current facts (we send £350 million a week to Brussels). As someone once said, predictions are really difficult, especially when they involve the future. So the likes of Osborne would always have a get out of jail card whereas the likes of Johnson would not.

    However, I will be amazed if he is convicted and also suspect that this legal action will guarantee him the Tory leadership.

  6. Paul – the use of the court for a personal political vendetta is wrong, even if the Spider lies all the time.

  7. I too don’t agree with this prosecution. The charge is misconduct in public office which is usually reserved for serious illegal behaviour and abuse of power carried out as part of your official duty in your political job. It should. It should not cover verbal exaggerations or falsehoods promoted during electoral campaigns. I am politically the opposite of Boris Johnson particularly around Brexit but I am opposed to this dodgy legal stunt.

  8. Mahons, I actually disagree with the prosecution too but as I said, I think the strategy is to get him into the box and grill him in the public domain as opposed to any hope of prosecuting him. It’s a risky strategy as it’ll gift him with huge publicity and, depending on the strength of the spin, could see him walk into the PM’s job with even less opposition than he has now.

    Come to think of it, it might be a black op by his campaign team!

  9. I must admit I don’t know much about private prosecutions. But presumably if the normal “innocent until” thing holds true, then in order to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Mr Johnson’s assertion was untrue, the prosecution must tell us all precisely how much money the UK actually does give the EU? Careful then, because I imagine it’s rather a lot, and that information can’t possibly do the Brexit cause any harm.
    Also, I imagine that the payments vary and are made at irregular intervals and so to get a “per week” value, an average must be taken. (a) who decides how long a period to average over, and (b) by what margin of error must Johnson’s figure be out by? Oh and (c) is Johnson’s figure meant to be net of EU return payments, because the EU returns so much of our contributions “back to the UK” eg to the BBC and to politicians, in exchange for their unwavering support…

  10. Brexi, amongst other things Johnson stated that EU membership cost Britain £350million a week. All that has to be proven is that the claims are untrue.

  11. Yes but it’s a nebulous statement. I can say “the sky is blue” but while true in the everyday sense, I’m sure a graphic artist could argue that on a 32bit colour map, the sky is not 0R, 0G, 255B, and a cosmologist would say that “the sky” is not an object at all.

  12. No the sky is blue is a commonly understood idea. You are not trying to mislead people by saying it.

    That is what the prosecutions burdens would have to be. Not only that the £350M figure was false (because being wrong is not a crime) but that Johnson knew they were false but used it anyway in an effort to mislead the public.

  13. All of which is completely irrelevant of course. This is Deep State stuff, and the object is to block, ridicule & smear Brexit, so of course Boris Johnson’s assertion will be found tantamount to summoning satan, whereas Diane Abbott would be allowed to assert that “the EU costs Vietnam £33 per square volt on a rainy day in Galway” and case proven, m’lud.

  14. A publicly funded campaign by citizens to bring a private prosecution is “deep state”?

  15. It’s a definitive statement Brexi and unlike different shades of colour or speculation what happens beyond our galaxy or even the pedantic dancing on the head of a pin of ATW it’ll have to stand up to forensic legal scrutiny as a definitive statement.

    But, as I said, I suspect the strategy is to get Johnson to answer questions in the public domain rather than an actual prosecution itself.

  16. I’d love to have that innocence of youth back again, Seamus, stop reminding me.

  17. Brexi, is this the ‘Deep State’ in action too?

    […] https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48384000

    By accident or by design? ATW’s commetariat have been very quiet over such a scandalous incident?

    It seems a test case is being drawn up on the ‘systemic denial’ of suffrage.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/25/eu-citizens-denied-vote-in-european-elections-to-sue-uk-government

  18. “I’d love to have that innocence of youth back again, Seamus, stop reminding me.”

    What is to you the deep state? Other than the latest right wing buzzword of the day? Ultimately this is private citizens carrying out a private prosecution with money raised from other private citizens. It is kind of the exact opposite of the deep state, or any state for that matter.

  19. No Paul, upon reading that link it looks like a lot of people who have been here for plenty of time, but who simply didn’t register in time.

    “Moritz Valero, who is from Germany but has lived in the UK for nearly five years, told the BBC he and his partner received their UC1 form at the end of April”. When did he start applying then?

    “Lisa van der Zanden, 26, who is from the Netherlands but has lived in Bristol for a year-and-a-half…” Again, if EU voting was so, so important to her…

    I applied to renew my out-of-date passport on Feb 9th and was absolutely appalled to be refused a boarding pass a few hours later.

  20. Who could be more deep state than an elected official like the Spider? An absurd term like legacy media that is used by the circle jerk crowd.

  21. “When did he start applying then?”

    Until about 3 weeks before the election there wasn’t going to be an election. So why would people have applied for it?

  22. But Mr Moriz Valero could not possibly have known in 2014 that UK participation in the 2019 EU elections was not going to happen, could he?

  23. No. But maybe in 2014 he didn’t know that he would still be living in the UK.

  24. He knew about a year before the referendum that there was going to be a referendum though. He failed to plan in time.

  25. “He knew about a year before the referendum that there was going to be a referendum though. He failed to plan in time.”

    Meaning what? EU citizens couldn’t vote in the referendum.

  26. No Paul, upon reading that link it looks like a lot of people who have been here for plenty of time, but who simply didn’t register in time

    Why would they have to re – register for an election if they’d been in the country so long?

    Many EU citizens were turned away from polling stations with their names crossed off the ballot, while Britons overseas protested that their ballot papers only showed up in the days before or did not show up at all

    Why were their names crossed off the register after they had presumably registered to get their names on it in the first place?

    Incredible how a private legal action funded by voluntary donations from private individuals, pretty much the absolute opposite of the ‘establishment’ is a ‘Deep State’ conspirisy to frustrate Brexit while thousands of EU citizens denied being able to vote for a variety of reasons is an administration mistake?

  27. Meaning he would have known that uncertainty was on the horizon and so he should have registered far sooner. Applications for things take time.

  28. A month ago the European elections weren’t happening. How could someone be expected to register in time for them when the cut off date was pretty much immediate after the election itself was announced?

  29. I don’t know. I can only imagine that these whiners must have let slip on social media that they planned to vote for TBP or something. I mean all they had to do was state they planned to vote Lib-Dem and they’d probably be given 20 voting cards.

  30. Meaning he would have known that uncertainty was on the horizon and so he should have registered far sooner. Applications for things take time

    Many EU citizens were turned away from polling stations with their names crossed off the ballot, while Britons overseas protested that their ballot papers only showed up in the days before or did not show up at all

    ???

  31. “I don’t know”

    First thing you’ve said all night that has any sense about it.

  32. Of course it is.
    And I suppose that “poor Theresa May tried so hard to deliver Brexit and cried real tears that she was unable to” is a sensible statement too.

  33. No it wouldn’t be a sensible statement. And I don’t think any of us here have ever said it.

  34. Still don’t think the denial of thousands of votes isn’t ‘Deep State’ Brexi?

  35. Well then, that BBC report by our so-called unbiased state broadcaster strikes me as just a pile of hand-picked whingers moaning that because they failed to take personal responsibility to register in good time, it’s somehow not their fault. The subtext being (and with the BBC it’s all about the subtext) that it’s all the fault of Brexit and oh what a mess it all is.

  36. It’s not “denial”, it’s people failing to register in time.

  37. “Well then, that BBC report by our so-called unbiased state broadcaster strikes me as just a pile of hand-picked whingers moaning that because they failed to take personal responsibility to register in good time, it’s somehow not their fault.”

    How could they register in good time when the election was announced so close to the deadline for registration?

  38. Pass me a piece of chalk someone please. I’ll repeat:
    Having lived here for several years already, they should have already registered, if EU voting was so important to them.
    Now copy that out 50 times and no talking in detention or I’ll make you copy it out another 100 times.

  39. It’s not “denial”, it’s people failing to register in time.

    Many EU citizens were turned away from polling stations with their names crossed off the ballot, while Britons overseas protested that their ballot papers only showed up in the days before or did not show up at all

    Please explain why their names were on the register if they hadn’t registered in time? Why did the Britons living in the EU only recieve their postal votes days before the election unabling them to vote?

  40. “Having lived here for several years already, they should have already registered, if EU voting was so important to them.”

    How could they register for an election that hadn’t been announced?

  41. Seamus, it is expected that the next UK general election will be in 2022. However, the date has not been announced yet. It might be as early as later this year, or not until 2022. In short, I do not know when the next UK election will be. I do not have to wait until it is announced before registering to vote.

  42. Not knowing when the next UK election will be, but feeling very, very passionate about voting in it, what do you suggest I should do:
    Wait until the election is announced, or
    Register now?

  43. “Seamus, it is expected that the next UK general election will be in 2022. However, the date has not been announced yet. It might be as early as later this year, or not until 2022. In short, I do not know when the next UK election will be. I do not have to wait until it is announced before registering to vote.”

    Here is the difference. Non-UK EU citizens voting in EU elections in the UK have to register to vote in the UK at every EU election. They have to fill in a UC1 form to do so:

    https://www.yourvotematters.co.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/255197/EU-citizen-European-Parliament-voter-registration-form-English.pdf

    They have to do this before every EU election in the UK. You and I, and every other UK citizen, don’t have to register every time to vote. You register and your registration is carried over to the next election. So if there is a surprise election then you are already registered for it.

  44. Ah, I see, Seamus, I was unaware of that fact.
    OK then, in that case, being a passionate EU election voter, and knowing that I would feel really really upset if I missed out on voting in the next election….hold on, let me think this through, as I’m a bit thick, as you have rightly gathered….
    I’ve got it: I would fill in each UC1 thing as soon as I possibly could, and not wait, especially with the prospect of an EU referendum looming, which might throw everything into uncertainty. That sounds like a sensible answer. Or are you saying that the UC1 forms are not made available until the date of the next election has been announced? (Another fact I may not be aware of).

  45. Why are you ignoring the quote of EU nationals being crossed of the register and the overseas Brits only recieving their votes days before the election Brex?

  46. “I would fill in each UC1 thing as soon as I possibly could, and not wait, especially with the prospect of an EU referendum looming, which might throw everything into uncertainty. That sounds like a sensible answer. Or are you saying that the UC1 forms are not made available until the date of the next election has been announced? (Another fact I may not be aware of).”

    They had to be filled out by the 7th May. The UK government announced that EU elections would go ahead by the 7th May. So voters had less than a day to fill them out.

  47. To be fair Paul if a person doesn’t have a valid UC1 form attached to their name then the correct procedure would be to cross their name off the register.

  48. I’m not, Paul. I think it’s dreadful and another example of EU mis-administration and incompetence, that they can’t organise their elections properly.

  49. Seamus, “So voters had less than a day to fill them out” – you’re saying these forms were only issued in the first place on 7th May??

  50. So in other words NO EU citizens at all in the UK got to vote? Or if they did, how so?

  51. No. They were probably valid for an entire year. But until the 7th May the UK weren’t holding EU elections. And people had until the 7th May to fill them out. So until the 7th May filling it out was more likely than not pointless.

  52. And the Brits overseas?

    The fact of the matter is that Brexi has presented a hypothetical as to the cause of this which is now being presented as gospel. I’d be of the opinion that if the correct procedure wasn’t completed in time your name wouldn’t appear on the register as opposed to being crossed off it which according to the article was the case.

  53. Except your name is on the register if you register to vote. What the UC1 form is there to do is for you to guarantee that by voting in the UK you aren’t voting in Germany, France etc… So a person’s name will appear on the register if they are registered. And if there isn’t a proper UC1 form attached then their name will be crossed off.

  54. Aaah I see. So someone must have said time and time again “we’re definitely leaving the EU on 29 Mar” and then deliberately contrived not to do so. What a lying cretin such a person must be. I blame them.

  55. “So someone must have said time and time again “we’re definitely leaving the EU on 29 Mar” and then deliberately contrived not to do so.”

    It was mostly Boris Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Steve Clarke etc… They did vote against the Withdrawal Agreement after all.

  56. Did the EU organise the electoral process in the UK Brex?

    Those damn Euros and their usurping of national sovereignty again no doubt?

  57. The WA is the polar opposite of actually leaving the EU and so Mogg etc were the only ones seeking to uphold the ref promise IMO.

    To leave a body means to leave first and THEN to cut deals as independent entities, not to agree all the terms beforehand, for that equates to still being under contract.

  58. The Withdrawal Agreement, or something like it, is the only way to uphold the Leave referendum promise of causing no problems at the border in Ireland. Leaving without a deal would break that promise.