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ATW OPEN THREAD

By Pete Moore On June 1st, 2019

I hope your weekend is going well. Summer’s arrived in Albion. Everything’s pretty green and lush. The River Test, one of our natural wonders, is looking glorious. Just the thing to follow for a few miles this morning.

Alas theres nothing on the box tonight. Believe me, I’ve checked. So I’ll be sitting in the garden with a beer and the Kindle thingy. Maybe washing my hair or something. But there’s no reason to go near the gogglebox.

Have yourselves an Open Thread then. This one decorated with a row of terraced cottages, which we have down these here parts. Even the bus stop in front is thatched. As the great Scruton reminds us, nice buildings will always be in demand. Tell us what you know –

55 Responses to “ATW OPEN THREAD”

  1. The most powerful people in the world and their satraps are having a get-together – but nothing to see here, folks…..

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/32468-bilderberg-meeting-2019-nothing-to-see-here-move-along

    From a distance the gathering of some 130 wealthy and influential people in Montreux, Switzerland, starting tomorrow looks benign enough. The website of the Bilderberg Group says it’s just “an annual forum for informal discussions, designed to foster dialogue between Europe and North America.… It’s a forum for informal discussions about major issues.… There is no detailed agenda, no resolutions are proposed, no votes are taken, and no policy statements are issued.”

    The group even posts its agenda items, which include “informal discussions” about Brexit, climate “change,” and the future of capitalism. All designed to put any seeker of the truth to sleep.

    But a closer look reveals a much darker, more insidious and more dangerous agenda. First, the meetings operate under Chatham House rules, the first clue linking the group to the international deep state seeking to impose world government on unsuspecting citizenry. Chatham House, located in London, houses the Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA), a deep state organization founded at about the same time as its sister, the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR), in the United States. Those rules allow a participant to attend the meetings, but he or she may not reveal the identity or the affiliation of the speaker or any other participant.

    A second clue is the list of those confirmed to be attending. Thirty-one are from the United States, including Jared Cohen (CEO of Jigsaw, an affiliate of Google that is dedicated to using its technology to “counter extremism”) and Mary Kay Henry, international president of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU). There’s Henry Kissinger, the former secretary of state under Presidents Nixon and Ford, and nonagenarian who just turned 96 on Monday. There’s Jared Kushner, senior advisor to President Trump. There’s David Petraeus, the retired Army general who served as director of the CIA under President Obama. There’s Eric Schmidt, former chairman of Google and now serving as a technical advisor to Alphabet, Google’s holding company. There’s Darren Walker, president of the Ford Foundation.

    In all there are 31 attendees from the United States. And 16 of them are members of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

    That’s enough evidence to validate Alex Newman’s claim that the Bilderberg Group is part of the shadowy network including the CFR that makes up the “Deep State Behind the Deep State,” a remarkably detailed expose published by The New American in January 2018. Noted Newman: “Virtually all of the attendees [at Bilderberg meetings] share at least one common element: a fanatical devotion to globalism and secrecy.”

  2. The warmongering against Russia continues, but there is an impediment…..

    https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2019/05/31/mh17-where-is-the-evidence-russia-is-responsible-asks-dr-m/

    TOKYO (Bernama): The Malaysian government wants strong evidence to show that Russia is responsible for the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 tragedy in 2014, says Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad.

    “They are accusing Russia, but where is the evidence?

    “We know the missile that brought down the plane is a Russian-type missile, but it could also be made in Ukraine.

    “You need strong evidence to show it was fired by the Russians.

    “It could be by the rebels in Ukraine, it could be Ukrainian government because they too have the same missile,” he said during a dialogue and media conference with the Japanese Foreign Correspondent Club (FCCJ) here on Thursday (May 30).

    The Prime Minister said Malaysia should also have been involved in the examining the black box as the plane belonged to Malaysia and there were Malaysians passengers.

    “We may not have the expertise, but we can buy the expertise. For some reasons, Malaysia was not allowed to check the black box to see what happened.

    “We don’t know why we were excluded from the examination but from the very beginning, we see too much politics in it, and the idea was not to find out how this happened but seemed to be concentrated on trying to pin it on the Russians.

    “This is not a neutral kind of examination,” said Dr Mahathir.

    Had a neutral party examined and made the conclusion, Malaysia would be willing to accept the findings but here we have parties with political interests in the matter, he added.

    It should be hard to believe that Malaysia was excluded from the investigation, but once one realises that the point is to pin the guilt on Russia, it becomes clear that Malaysia must be excluded.

  3. But there’s no reason to go near the gogglebox.

    No worries Pete, I’ll keep you posted 🙂

  4. Scousers home and hosed.

  5. You didn’t miss much.

    Shockingly poor match.

    Best league in the world my eye.

  6. MR

    Yes, a poor match. But afer the excitement of the semi-finals a disappointment was no surprise.

    And let’s not forget that the Europa League final was also between two English clubs, and a much better match.

  7. Pete

    Arsenal have had another shit season, but Sperz have also had an epic fail. Here’s a happy memory for you, you’re welcome:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZI5eHAK1dE

  8. And let’s not forget that the Europa League final was also between two English clubs….

    Those ‘English clubs’ are even less English than the city (London) in which they are based. It’s globalism run riot through sport

  9. I see that the mickey mousers saved the day, and I never thought I’d say that about them. There’s only one circumstance where you’d rather see Liverpool win the European Cup, and that’s against the Sperz. But for 49 years of my life the Sperz hadn’t a hope of winning it, till this past fortnight.

    The sporting gods are mischievous. The bastards.

  10. It’s globalism run riot through sport

    Agreed Allan.

    The Premier League is almost entirely owned, managed and staffed by foreigners. Mike Ashley is about to sell Newcastle to the cousins of the Arabs who own Man City. Sperz remain in English ownership for now but their owner is a “tax exile” who lives in the Bahamas.

  11. //This one decorated with a row of terraced cottages, //

    Picturesque, yes, but cottages?

    What’s the name of the village?

  12. here want a laugh…..

    A lawyer for Facebook argued in court Wednesday that the social media site’s users “have no expectation of privacy.”

    According to Law360, Facebook attorney Orin Snyder made the comment while defending the company against a class-action lawsuit over the Cambridge Analytica scandal.

    “There is no invasion of privacy at all, because there is no privacy,” Snyder said.

    In an attempt to have the lawsuit thrown out, Snyder further claimed that Facebook was nothing more than a “digital town square” where users voluntarily give up their private information.

    “You have to closely guard something to have a reasonable expectation of privacy,” Snyder added.

    tell us something we didn’t know, still nice to see them admit it in open court.

  13. A ‘town square’ is a public area so why is Facebook censoring that public area?

  14. It’s a private space that is open to the public.

    And a property owner has the right to establish some rules,

    Especially on the web, where there are many public spaces that you can call up at will

    I think that this lawyer directly contradicted Zuckerberg’s recent comments about Facebook supposedly wanting to move in a direction of greater privacy protection. Facebook adjusts their public statements depending on the situation?

  15. hantom, on June 2nd, 2019 at 11:56 AM Said:
    It’s a private space that is open to the public.

    And a property owner has the right to establish some rules,

    but it was given special dispensation under the law as if it was otherwise… anti-sue protections.

    Time to remove them.

  16. What dispensations under law have they been given?

  17. that they would not be treated as a private space but as a free speech zone and full immunity from liable.

  18. “that they would not be treated as a private space but as a free speech zone and full immunity from liable.”

    And where is that enshrined in law?

  19. Pat, Like the fake president, Does not understand this technology and thinks that more lawsuits is the answer for everything

    Pat, If Allan says something disgusting- Do you think that lawsuits are a proper remedy? Lawsuits against who? You might want to think carefully before you respond

  20. A public forum is privately-owned? The public square is covered by the First Amendment and should be protected/enforced by government. That the government allows censorship in what big-tech has acknowledged as public domain shows that government has abandoned its role in protecting the Constitution and is allowing big-tech to decide what opinions are permitted.

  21. It isn’t a public forum. It is a privately owned forum. The First Amendment protects against government action, not private action. I don’t have a right to go to your house and hang a “All Immigrants Welcome” over your front door. That would be me infringing on your property rights, not you infringing on my free speech rights.

  22. Noel –

    The village (hamlet really) is Freefolk, in Hampshire. I know, what a splendid name.

  23. So can bakers now refuse to do business with whoever they wish to refuse? I recall that a few people in here said otherwise.

    In the US, the Supreme Court has ruled that the likes of Facebook are “protected spaces” under the First Amendment for lawful speech.

    Packingham v. North Carolina is a United States Supreme Court decision holding that a North Carolina statute that prohibited sex offenders from accessing social media websites violated the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

    […]

    In a unanimous judgment issued in June 2017, the Court ruled the North Carolina statute unconstitutional, and that social media — defined broadly enough to include Facebook, Amazon.com, the Washington Post, and WebMD — is considered a “protected space” under the First Amendment for lawful speech.

    Facebook is privately owned, but the law now treats it in a particular way with regard to access and free speech.

  24. “In the US, the Supreme Court has ruled that the likes of Facebook are “protected spaces” under the First Amendment for lawful speech.”

    From the point of view of government limiting it. The government can’t prevent someone accessing Facebook as that is a government intervention that prevents people exercising their speech. It is another kettle of fish altogether to suggest that the government should intervene and force a private actor to carry speech they don’t want to carry.

    The First Amendment protects against government intrusion in speech. Not private intrusion in speech.

  25. Is a ‘town square’ a public forum?

    From wiki…..

    The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prevents the government from making laws which respect an establishment of religion, prohibit the free exercise of religion, or abridge the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, the right to peaceably assemble,

    the last five words are important. If it is a political opinion that borders should be opened to the 3rd-world and that men should have the ‘right’ to bugger boys etc. and the proponents have the right of assembly on the town square…then having opposite opinions is also a right for assembly on the town square. Facebook and other censors may have some ‘private’ (it’s actually a publicly-quoted company, so it’s public) rights but removal of opinions is not acceptable UNLESS Facebook states clearly what its own opinions are on all major issues and that opinions which are contrary to corporopinion are not permitted: this would then allow other servers to provide space on the public forum for those of us who hold these ‘contrary opinions’. Has Facebook done so? I don’t know because I don’t use it.

  26. “(it’s actually a publicly-quoted company, so it’s public) “

    It isn’t. Publicly traded companies are owned by individual members of the general public but are not publicly (ie collectively) owned.

    “Facebook and other censors may have some ‘private’ (it’s actually a publicly-quoted company, so it’s public) rights but removal of opinions is not acceptable UNLESS Facebook states clearly what its own opinions are on all major issues and that opinions which are contrary to corporopinion are not permitted”

    Not actually true. Facebook are a private company and they can decide what opinions they allow on their property.

  27. Facebook is censoring speech they should be sued for discrimination…. as the law stands now you can’t they have immunity. That has to change.

    As soon as they started editing what a person can say or google for that matter deciding what choices your search brings back based on a political algorithm they should both be destroyed.

  28. “Facebook is censoring speech they should be sued for discrimination”

    Go for it. It will be laughed at in court as political speech is not a protected characteristic.

    “as the law stands now you can’t they have immunity. That has to change.”

    What law?

  29. Go for it. It will be laughed at in court as political speech is not a protected characteristic.

    roflmao……. political speech is the most protected speech in our country…. they violate the 1st Amendment…. shut them down.

  30. Should ATW be sued For discrimination because it does not permit
    Muslim theology videos to be posted?

  31. Not actually true. Facebook are a private company and they can decide what opinions they allow on their property.

    Seamus – I was putting forward an opinion to the effect that “removal of opinions is not acceptable UNLESS Facebook states clearly what its own opinions are on all major issues and that opinions which are contrary to corporopinion are not permitted” and this would allow alternative locations on the town square to those who have opinions contrary to those of Facebook. Facebook is NOT the ‘town square’ but merely one of the (biggest) tents on the square.

  32. Why should they have to post their own opinions? What business is it of yours?

    Why do you Fake conservatives feel the need to regulate every grain of sand on the beach?

    Patty told us that Facebook was passé, And that all the cool kids were going to soon be moving to alternatives to Facebook

    So, the so-called problem has probably cured itself by now

  33. “roflmao……. political speech is the most protected speech in our country…. they violate the 1st Amendment…. shut them down.

    The first amendment applies to government action not private action.

    And political speech isn’t protected which is why you all followed your dear glorious leader in demanding the NFL fire players for kneeling. Where was the first amendment then?

  34. Phantom, on June 2nd, 2019 at 10:16 PM Said:
    Should ATW be sued For discrimination because it does not permit
    Muslim theology videos to be posted?

    I’m sure some Islamic wacko would like too if we were big enough, but we have never said we are a free speech platform and we were never granted immunity.

    They did and they do.

    It needs to be removed.

  35. No one has the right to do anything that they feel like during their work hours

    The anti-Facebook arguments here are bogus, but kappperneck isn’t a good example for anything

  36. “I’m sure some Islamic wacko would like too if we were big enough, but we have never said we are a free speech platform and we were never granted immunity.”

    Where have they been granted immunity? Show me one law that grants them immunity.

  37. When did Facebook say that there were no restrictions of any kind as to what could be posted on it?

    You guys are just a bunch of big government control freak regulators

  38. This immunity stuff is based on commentary from ignorant people like Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh And other fakes phonies and frauds

  39. “The anti-Facebook arguments here are bogus, but kappperneck isn’t a good example for anything”

    I think the NFL had the right to fire them if they wanted. I’m mostly pointing out the hypocrisy of the Trumpers on the issue. Their speech should be protected from private action but Kaepernick shouldn’t.

  40. Phantom, on June 2nd, 2019 at 10:16 PM Said:

    Should ATW be sued For discrimination because it does not permit
    Muslim theology videos to be posted?

    Should sites which allow videos of muslim theology to be posted be permitted on the internet?

    Interestingly, here’s a report from the source of truth on those idiots Scandi-sluts who went to Morocco and got their heads cut off…….

    https://dailystormer.name/morocco-isis-ringleader-admits-beheading-of-scandinavian-tourists/

    Remember those sluts who went hiking in Morocco and ended up losing their heads?

    One of the suspects has admitted to beheading one of them.

    As an adult, I made the decision to watch that video of a real beheading, and not the fake orange-jumpsuit garbage made by the CIA:

    Every white woman should watch that video and understand that everything they enjoy is because of white men. We’ve been protecting them and shielding them from these monsters for so long that they believe the monsters are not real.

    The monsters are very real, and they’re coming.

    Our women and weak men invited them.

    How these women fought racism…….

    https://bbs.thegoyimknow.to/uploads/default/original/4X/9/7/e/97e509e2128aaef7e2eb2caf89b865a50f32e5b1.jpeg

  41. The Trumper’s are complete frauds on this issue

    They are simply repeating what their a.m. radio masters are telling them

    Alan mocks murdered young women

    You were the true king of the Trumpers , Even though you pretend to have disowned him

  42. Phantom every thing is trumps fault………

  43. You don’t need to regulate everything

    Government isn’t the solution to every problem

    You need to learn this

  44. Phantom government caused the problem by making them exempt. That placed them outside the rules of ethical business.

    Undoing what government screwed up by giving them that advantage in the free market is what now must take precedence in removing. Facebook, Google, Amazon these are just todays version of the Oil companies.

    Monopoly Bad 101…….

  45. What is the problem?

    What law made them exempt? Exempt from what ?

    They’re not AFAIK exempt from any libel Laws as respects things that Facebook and its management says themselves.

    For the first time in ages, I recently listened to Alex Jones, spiritual father of the Trump movement

    He and his guest openly speculated about how desirable it would be for President Trump to have a Kill Switch For Facebook and other social media sites, So that Trump could turn the sites off at will

    They then said that Trump should be able to promulgate a whitelist of contributors that Facebook would be forced to carry, Even if they disregarded Facebook’s terms of service

    They spoke of how there Should be a class action lawsuit Against Facebook and other sites by those who had been banned from them, seeking “ reparations “ For the supposedly wrongs that have been done to them!

    This is what is discussed, day and night, by Trump supporters who want dictatorship by their man on a white horse, who want more regulation, not less

  46. Phantom if you refuse to see a problem then you refuse to see it, but people and governments all over the world see it. These are the modern worlds networks of communication and if they don’t like what you say on your modern phone they cut your line.

    No company, Person, or Government can be allowed to silence anyone.

  47. I’m in your neck of the woods at the moment Pete, staying with various friends.
    Lovely weather,I’m off to Brighton tomorrow, (later today). I’d forgotten how lovely it is down here.

  48. Who has been silenced?

    Don’t say Alex Jones because he has worldwide distribution still

    https://www.infowars.com/

    If Facebook doesn’t want to be associated with him. They have that right.

    If platforms are denied the any right to control their own sites, They will be overrun with Alex Jones/Truther/Allan/racist/porn material. Alex Jones has rights, but so does Facebook. You forget about that.

  49. todays thought of the day…..

    A gun gives weight to a good moral argument.

  50. the mismanagement of this water will cause floods all summer….

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2019-06-02/california-snowpack-202-of-average-for-this-time-of-year

  51. //Scandi sluts//

    What a vile, disgusting comment from a diseased mind. You must have had some really bad experiences with women to make you hate them so much.
    //A gun gives weight to a good moral argument//
    Philosophy from tv again?

  52. Hey isn’t media one of the new gods????

    where do you expect to find philosophy in a book!

  53. If it came from a tv show that’s a mini series of a good book would that help?

  54. Trump calls London Mayor Sadiq Khan Bill de Blasio’s twin, ‘except shorter’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/446560-trump-calls-london-mayor-sadiq-khan-bill-de-blasios-twin-except

  55. //Scandi sluts//

    What a vile, disgusting comment from a diseased mind.

    What was vile and disgusting was the beheading of the two Skandi-sluts, whose parents told them not to go but, being ’empowered’, they went anyway and really did get beheaded: that video was no fake. It should be shown to all naive women.

    Anyway, I’m sure that all of us have engaged in parody of an opponent or enemy, because lampooning is a good, harmless way of belittling the opponent in the eyes of others. That’s not allowed now, certainly not when the target is a Dem, or a jew, or anybody that the MSM protects.

    It is now confirmed that Facebook doxed the creator of a hilarious video which shows Nancy Pelosi to be even more stupid than she actually is……

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/06/02/daily-beast-says-facebook-helped-them-dox-trump-supporter/#

    Even left-wing feminist Caroline Orr, who described the Pelosi parody as “disgusting” (it’s simply a video of Pelosi slowed down to make her words appear slurred), expressed shock at the idea of Facebook handing over private information about its users.

    The creator is a black forklift operator from the Bronx who is a Trump supporter – and that is not a parody. But Facebook is now politicised and should be embargoed