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The Catholic Church is Dead

By Patrick Van Roy On June 1st, 2019

 

At least in the United States.

It’s death is due to the Church itself and not mass slaughter as it is in the Middle East. The fire of the Original Church’s of the Apostles are all but extinguished now. Slaughtered by the Islamist as they begin their world wide cleansing…. ahh but that is another post.

This is about the Death of the Catholic Church in America. Killed by generations of Lust, Greed and Corruption as predator pedophiles, rapists and deviants of every sort preyed on the young, the old, the weak, and the vulnerable of every sort…. especially though an exceptional thirst for young boys.

Those in the Hierarchy even the few not involved in the debauchery covered it up, a bribe here, some blackmail there, and shuffle Father diddle fingers off to another unsuspecting parish.

The Flock did not leave the Church the Church abandoned it’s flock as it descended into the grasp of Satan.

There is no Light in Rome either. The Holly Father is a South American Marxist as well as a doddering fool. Who is running the Bank of Rome right now? It I am sure also needs an audit.

Christ and Peter weep at the ashes of the structure, but the light of glory still shines in those teary eyes for us their flock. We do not need the structure.

The Kingdom of God is inside you and all around you. Not in a mansion of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and I am there. Lift a stone and you will find me. 

This is easy for me, but for how many others I do not know. The deterioration of the Church has been occurring since the 60s at the least, it’s demise was not sudden. The death knell was the pulling back of the veil and seeing the darkness not the light.  It will take over 100 years to restore the Catholic Church if ever here in the states anyway.

Oh glorious apostle St. Jude, faithful servant and friend of Jesus, the name of the traitor who delivered thy beloved Master into the hands of His enemies has caused thee to be forgotten by many, but the Flock honors and invokes thee universally as the patron of hopeless cases–of things despaired of. Pray for us who are so miserable; make use, We implore thee, of that particular privilege accorded thee of bringing visible and speedy help where help is almost despaired of. Come to our assistance in this great need, that We may receive the consolations and succor of heaven in all our necessities, tribulations and sufferings, particularly in the restoration of the true Church, that We may bless God with thee and all the elect throughout eternity. We promise thee, O blessed St. Jude, to be ever mindful of this great favor, and We will never cease to honor thee as our special and powerful patron.  Amen

68 Responses to “The Catholic Church is Dead”

  1. The Catholic Church is Dead

    And the problem is?

    If only we could say the same about the rest of the sky-god tooth-fairies.

  2. I’ll pray for you Peter once again…..

    The Father Son and Holy Ghost are just fine Peter.

    “Non nobis Domine, non nobis, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.”

  3. I don’t think that the moral rot of the church began in modern times. I think that it started more becoming known in modern times.

    Until fairly recent times, in a lot of places, the priest was seen as God’s representative among us, whose word would not ever be challenged. It was the perfect cover for abusers. No abused child would be believed, almost none came forward for ages – they’d be pariahs who dared accuse a man of god.

    Don’t criticize this pope alone. Criticize John Paul 2, Who did damn little about this issue. Blame the 10 popes before him. Blame the Cardinals and bishops in America and in other places who kept everything quiet, and who moved predators into unsuspecting parishes, including Spanish speaking parishes in rural areas of the US Southwest

    The problem has likely existed for centuries. It is good, not bad, that the truth has come out, The organization that was dragged kicking and screaming to any reform is not important. It was never correct that priests bishop cardinals or popes were seen as superior to the rest of us,

  4. well said.

  5. what really bothers me though is I agree it’s a good thing light is the best disinfectant, but I don’t see Rome or the American Catholic Church doing what it needs to solve the problem.

    The shepherds are wandering lost for their sins. In a desert of their own making.

  6. //I don’t think that the moral rot of the church began in modern times. I think that it started more becoming known in modern times.//

    Correct, but it’s even more than that. It isn’t that the church has changed in relation to sexual abuse etc; it’s society that has changed. Whereas in the past people were more concerned about the interests of the clergy, they’re now seeing the offence from the point of view of the victims and the damage it causes.

    Sexual abuse has always been rampant within the church, and it was also generally known. There are texts going back to the earliest times, before the end of the Roman Empire, talking about the phenomenon. There are also several “rule books” going back to the early Medieval period (the Venerable Bede, Damien) that make it clear that very many priests and monks have casual sex with unmarried and married women, men and children of both sexes. They also mention how lax the hierarchy is in dealing with this offence; they mention that the guilty clerics are being allowed continue in office and that the victims are not being given due consideration. All sounds very familiar.

    The thing is that in those days society generally did not make the same kind of distinctions between hetero and homo sexuality or between sex with adults and with children that we do today. A person was either chaste or licentious – that was all. “Childhood”, as we think of it, hadn’t really been invented.

    There was what would today be called, “sexual abuse” throughout societies – between masters and servants, elders and children, within the army and every other organisation. It was something that people considered inevitable but to be avoided, like bad weather.

  7. Good post, Noel.

    The Catholic Church is like a Christmas tree, it’s got lovely baubles and gets plenty of attention, but nobody mentions the elephant in the room. It’s dead and will be consigned to the scrapheap.

    I can’t say that the RC church is a thing of good. However, there are millions of people that find comfort in it and their belief. I feel sad for them to see something they trusted and supported for entire lives to be seen as a sham.

    Patrick, I don’t often agree with you, but I really like the ‘Light is the best disinfectant’ line.

  8. Many religions are declining in the western world, not just the Catholic Church. The abuse scandals in the Catholic Church probably don’t stop an Anglican or a Presbyterian from becoming an atheist. Yet those religions are declining in similar numbers.

    The simple fact is (and this has been seen throughout the world) that as material wealth grows so does atheism and irreligion. So even if the Catholic Church hadn’t had the abuse scandals then likely the decline would have occurred anyway.

    “The Kingdom of God is inside you and all around you. Not in a mansion of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and I am there. Lift a stone and you will find me.”

    From the Gospel according to Gabriel Byrne, a bastardisation of the proto-Gnostic Gospel of Thomas.

    “The Holly Father is a South American Marxist as well as a doddering fool.”

    What specifically about Pope Francis do you not like, or make him a Marxist?

  9. I didn’t know Byrne did anything with Thomas’s gospel if the quote is not exact forgive me it was writ from memory and the Holy Father is a little marxist listen to his sermons noel.

    He can’t help it, it is a very prominent way of thinking where he is from.

  10. The church was meant to be part of this world, but not of it. It has never lived up to that.

  11. “I didn’t know Byrne did anything with Thomas’s gospel if the quote is not exact forgive me it was writ from memory and the Holy Father is a little marxist listen to his sermons noel.”

    It is from the film Stigmata. The actual Gospel of Thomas doesn’t have those exact words in that exact order (though do have similar words in a different order). The film Stigmata does have them in that order.

    “Holy Father is a little marxist listen to his sermons”

    Such as?

  12. Ok never saw it I’ll have to check that one out. I like Byrne and the stigmata has always held a fascination.

    I really don’t want to bad mouth the pope, (I feel like a schoolkid waiting to be hit with the pointer) but the whole branch of the catholic church from the southern americas is heavily marxist Seamus and he has taken several positions since becoming pope that I disagree with.

  13. Until. Very recent times, Ireland was a very Catholic country

    They turned away from their religion partially out of total disgust over the clerical abuse, partially due to Moving very rapidly into a secular more prosperous era. It happened in the blink of an eye in Ireland, The move from the 18th century to the late 20th century. I know of no other Catholic country where the change was that Rapid, For better and worse

  14. It is called liberation theology. And is grounded in the teachings of Christ.

    And ultimately Pope Francis hasn’t changed a lot of teaching. He has maybe emphasised certain parts of the catechism that previous Popes didn’t emphasise but I don’t think that he has added any new teachings. All of that stuff has been there for a long time.

  15. no he hasn’t added anything, I believe he is putting emphasis on the wrong parts.

    Wow I didn’t realize the church fell that fast in Ireland. It was gradual and ugly here.

  16. “no he hasn’t added anything, I believe he is putting emphasis on the wrong parts.”

    Which means they have always been Catholic teachings. Why is it wrong for the Pope to emphasise certain parts of Catholic teachings, but was okay for other Popes to emphasise other parts of Catholic teachings?

    “Until. Very recent times, Ireland was a very Catholic country”

    Indeed. I think, as you say, the abuse scandals caused the collapse of the Church as an institution (arguably the central institution in Ireland) far quicker than would have been otherwise. I still think it would have happened at some point anyway. Just slower.

    But yeah the revelations of the abuse scandal, particularly Brendan Smyth, led to a much quicker collapse of the Church’s standing (and actually also caused the collapse of the government at the time).

  17. These revelations were Unbelievably damaging to the church in Ireland

    These “laundries “ , For “fallen women and girls “ Were in reality a form of cruel prison.

    They were in operation until the late 20th century, sad to say

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Laundries_in_Ireland

  18. The Holly Father is a South American Marxist as well as a doddering fool.

    I suspect that’s the main reason behind your disillusion with the Church Pat.

    Sexual abuse within the church has, as Noel says above, existed for as long as the institution has. Once upon a time Priests were treated as the final word in their parish fiefedoms and considered absolutley beyond reproach. Ordering men to supress their natural propensities and inserting them into positions of such unquestionable authority was almost guaranteed to create situations were advantages would be taken of such influence and power.

    Who is running the Bank of Rome right now?

    The Mafia?

  19. Paul

    Yes

    Forced celibacy Is a root cause of all of this

  20. “Forced celibacy Is a root cause of all of this”

    I’d disagree entirely. Rape is not about sex. It is about power. The idea that if a rapist could have other outlets for his sexual desire that he’d stop being a rapist is ludicrous.

    Forced celibacy causes things like Eamonn Casey. It doesn’t caused things like Brendan Smyth.

  21. The Maggie laundries where young women were young women were emotionally, sexually, physically and psychologically brutalised by frigid, frustrated older women was an indelible stain of shame on Ireland Phantom:

    Young women were victimised and then revictimised in perpetuity. Absolutely, disgustingly fucking heartbreaking:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdxdSuWcOMo

  22. It drives away men Who could be good priests, while providing a safer place for All manner of deviates

  23. “It drives away men Who could be good priests, while providing a safer place for All manner of deviates”

    Possibly, but similar organisations with the same institutional power have had similar scandals (the BBC, most militaries etc…). Any large organisation is going to have some bad apples. And when the powers that be put more effort into protecting institutional reputation than rooting out the bad apples then this is going to occur. The BBC didn’t insist on abstinence. It still had a major problem of this nature.

  24. It’s just sad.

    The Mafia?… it’s always had a controlling interest in the bank, so probably.

  25. To be fair the Vatican Bank is one area that Pope Francis has made substantial reforms. He’s probably introduced more reforms for the Vatican Bank than all previous Popes put together.

  26. //s material wealth grows so does atheism and irreligion. So even if the Catholic Church hadn’t had the abuse scandals then likely the decline would have occurred anyway.//

    Correct.

    And nobody, religious or atheist, should be celebrating the decline in the church or its power. In relatively recent times, the church and religion were the main, often the only, barrier to the absolute power of Nazi and Communist dictatorships.

    During the Nazi period, the communists were too organised and thus too easily undermined to be a major threat to the state. But the Christian churches, or church teachings, were at the centre of what opposition there was. The CC was the only large organisation (apart from the Communist International) to confront Hitler and his henchmen right from the start, at a time when democratic governments were pandering to him; and the Kreisau Circle, the White Rose, the von Stauffenberg conspiracy all would not have been possible without the Christian churches.

    The situation in post-war Communist Europe was the same. It was precisely because the church and religion is something that goes to the very heart of people that made it impossible for the state to countact. The Catholic Church was an essential part of resistance in Poland, and when opposition finally broke out in East Germany it was natural that it emerged from the church youth organisations.

    Constutions and an independent judiciary and trades unions etc are good weapons for opposing tyrannies, but I would feel a lot less safe in a society without organised religion as a final barrier.

  27. Whilst I agree that rising materialism means a decline in religion I don’t think that disillusionment in the Catholic Church necessarily equates to Atheism.

    And nobody, religious or atheist, should be celebrating the decline in the church or its power

    I absolutely welcome the decline in the Church’s power Noel. While the Church very often were a challenge to genocidal and despotic regimes it was precisely that power which ensured that countless abuses of it were able to continue.

    No organisation should hold that level of unquestioning devotion.

  28. In the US, the Catholic Church has provided and still does provide very strong primary and advanced education, that often compares well with the public schools. I don’t for a minute regret the experience that I had at Catholic elementary school.

    It is a common thing here for inner city Protestant and other families to send their children to Catholic school because of the orderly environment found there, and because of the high educational expectations that teachers have for student achievement.

  29. Patrick,

    The Jesus of the scriptures, do you think he’d be more aligned to socialism or capitalism, in your opinion?

    Bonus points if you can back up your assertion.

  30. He was a pinko commie smc:

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+14%3A13-21&version=NIV

    Archbishop Hélder Câmara’s quote springs to mind.

  31. The Roman Catholic Church has existed for two millennia and billions of people belong to it in one form or another. It has a formidable intellectual tradition that no other organization has. It is not going away, but it will change as it has throughout its long history. I would not underestimate something that has been around for so long and attracts so many people worldwide. It has overcome scandals in the past and adapted. Phenomena like atheism and scientism are fads and like all fads will go out of fashion. The RCC has a universal perspective unlike its critics who tend to be Western European or North American and are mired in the present. What changes there will be I could not predict but based on its history and scope, there will be slow change and survival.

  32. Phenomena like atheism and scientism are fads and like all fads will go out of fashion.

    Ridiculous comment. Atheism has been around as long as organised religion, probably longer. And we best hope ‘scientism’ sticks around. Don’t think any of us fancy going back to the stone age.

  33. The Jesus of the scriptures, do you think he’d be more aligned to socialism or capitalism, in your opinion?

    Capitalism.

    Lets look at just a few things….. Jesus’s dislike of the Government…(the leaders of the church) Socialism is run by the government he despised that the Church leadership profited from people and I don’t think he would trust the Jewish leadership to deal with the peoples needs part of the reason he overturned the tables in the Temple and plain ambivalence towards the Romans

    “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”

    He was a preacher of one man helping another not a government, personal responsibility for not only how you live with or without sin, but how you treated others.

    One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
    22 And he was sad at that saying and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
    23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

    In the above he instructs the rich man to give his stuff to the poor. Not because the man was wealthy, but because of greed. The Eye of the Needle is not a sewing needle. That is what the gate on a camel coral was called at that time. A Camel could get through it if it was stripped of any packing goods and was on it’s knees.

    Only a rich man that shared his wealth could enter heaven…. if the government seizes your money and distributes it It does not benefit the individual soul because they are not giving of the heart.

  34. Capitalism is underpinned by greed. That is the entire basis of its function. So the idea that Jesus would have been pro-capitalism but anti greed is a mutually exclusive position. Jesus was massively in favour of wealth redistribution.

  35. Capitalism.

    Rubbish. Jesus created the first free public health service.

  36. When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

    Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

    Christ regularly commanded the rich to care for the poor. So yes you could make the point that he never commanded governments to do so. But then he never commanded governments to protect innocents from death – so he never commanded the government to outlaw abortion. He never commanded governments to enforce Christian teaching on same sex marriage. So if you think that Christ’s message is relevant in government action on gay rights or government action on abortion but don’t think it is relevant on government action on poverty then you are a modern day Pharisee.

  37. wrong

    Jesus never railed against the rich, he railed against mans lack of generosity towards his fellow man.

    It is not a benefit or a blemish on your soul if you are forced to pay and covet what remains.

    Giving through the desire to help of ones own free will is what he preached. There is no free will in socialist redistribution.

    Was Christ here to save the souls of men? That is what I was taught. Giving by personal choice is the only action that counts.

  38. “Giving through the desire to help of ones own free will is what he preached. There is no free will in socialist redistribution.”

    Helping those who can’t help themselves is also key to his message. Those passages are not just about the rich man but the poor man.

  39. So if you think that Christ’s message is relevant in government action on gay rights or government action on abortion but don’t think it is relevant on government action on poverty then you are a modern day Pharisee.

    You could search this entire site from day one and you will never find any writing by me that supports that statement.

    A) I have a gay daughter that I fully hope to walk down the aisle. My position on gay marriage has always been they should have full recognition but it is a civil union not a marriage. Marriage is a holy ceremony and where I believe god doesn’t care love is love church rules forbid it.

    B) Abortion… I am pro-choice vehemently so. As long as woman have existed they have aborted their babies. It is a decision between a woman and god. No one else. But she must do so in the first trimester and I strongly advise against getting one. Life begins at conception and you are murdering a child. Every woman I have known that got one has been damaged psychologically and spiritually by it.

  40. Rubbish. Jesus created the first free public health service.

    The original NHS in fact.

    The Nazareth Health Service.

  41. church rules forbid it

    Is that the same church you said is dead?

  42. yes

  43. ” I have a gay daughter that I fully hope to walk down the aisle. My position on gay marriage has always been they should have full recognition but it is a civil union not a marriage. Marriage is a holy ceremony and where I believe god doesn’t care love is love church rules forbid it.”

    Why not marriage? What does religion have to do with it? We are talking about civil marriage, not church weddings after all.

    “Abortion… I am pro-choice vehemently so. As long as woman have existed they have aborted their babies. It is a decision between a woman and god. No one else. But she must do so in the first trimester and I strongly advise against getting one. Life begins at conception and you are murdering a child. Every woman I have known that got one has been damaged psychologically and spiritually by it.”

    And yet have had a massive go at lots of Democratic politicians for being pro-abortion. You have attacked, for example, Nancy Pelosi for being both pro-choice and Catholic.

  44. because they are practicing eugenics as created by margaret sanger and even if they weren’t government shouldn’t pay for it.

    a civil union is equal to a marriage, but you can’t call it a marriage….. I never said everything I believe is logical.

  45. “a civil union is equal to a marriage, but you can’t call it a marriage….. I never said everything I believe is logical.”

    Why? Why should religious beliefs come into government? And if you are allowed to insert your religious beliefs into government then why should other people not be allowed to as well?

    “because they are practicing eugenics”

    So? You specifically on one thread mentioned Pelosi’s Catholicism. So if Pelosi’s Catholicism is relevant to abortion why is it also not relevant to poverty relief?

  46. Why? Why should religious beliefs come into government? And if you are allowed to insert your religious beliefs into government then why should other people not be allowed to as well?

    No it is the government trying to insert itself into the church Seamus. The Gay community won the equality battle over a decade ago. As soon as they won they demanded the church recognize them as Marriages not civil unions. They won and then decided to stomp on those whose religious beliefs don’t recognize it. You have the whole issue backwards.

    I specifically on several threads mentioned Pelosi’s Catholicism because she is a hypocrite and only uses her religion as a prop.

  47. and you can’t just say SO! about eugenics….. that is a crime against nature even if you don’t believe in god.

  48. “and you can’t just say SO! about eugenics….. that is a crime against nature even if you don’t believe in god.”

    I do believe in God. My argument is about your selectiveness. If a person’s religion is relevant to debate on abortion then why isn’t it relevant on poverty relief?

    And for what it is worth I find most Democratic politicians views on abortion abhorrent. But then I also find most Republican politicians views on poverty relief, immigration etc… also abhorrent.

  49. “No it is the government trying to insert itself into the church Seamus. The Gay community won the equality battle over a decade ago. As soon as they won they demanded the church recognize them as Marriages not civil unions.”

    No they didn’t. Marriage is a civil matter, not just religious. And if the government ever forced the Catholic Church to recognise a gay marriage then that would be wrong. But why should someone’s religious views on marriage have any impact on a civil marriage debate?

    “I specifically on several threads mentioned Pelosi’s Catholicism because she is a hypocrite and only uses her religion as a prop.”

    She could almost be a Republican then.

  50. smcgiff

    “Ridiculous comment. Atheism has been around as long as organised religion, probably longer. And we best hope ‘scientism’ sticks around. Don’t think any of us fancy going back to the stone age.” In the past atheism was kept to oneself, now it is spoken of publicly as other fads are. I doubt you even know what scientism is since you seem to be confusing it with science.

  51. No they didn’t. Marriage is a civil matter, not just religious. And if the government ever forced the Catholic Church to recognise a gay marriage then that would be wrong. But why should someone’s religious views on marriage have any impact on a civil marriage debate?

    That’s the fight in the US Seamus the gay community demand that the church’s recognize it.

  52. Time out I’ll be back

  53. “That’s the fight in the US Seamus the gay community demand that the church’s recognize it.”

    No it isn’t. They are demanding that they be allowed civil marriages on a par with heterosexual couples. Nothing about church recognition.

  54. In the past atheism was kept to oneself, now it is spoken of publicly as other fads are. I doubt you even know what scientism is since you seem to be confusing it with science.

    No, in the past you’d have been executed even in the sceptred isle if you said religion was as real as ‘the emperors new clothes’. It is in no way a fad – “an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, especially one that is short-lived; a craze.” You’re deluded if you actually think that.

    Religion Vs Science. Lets pray for something to happen Vs Making it happen.

  55. At what time in history in Ireland would you have been executed for believing in atheism

  56. No it isn’t. They are demanding that they be allowed civil marriages on a par with heterosexual couples.

    Wrong they already won full equality with heterosexual couples in every legal aspect. It was just called “A Civil Union” they wouldn’t accept that. They demand that it be called a marriage.

    That’s what the fight is about. The religious right had given up and said uncle and then the gay community DEMANDED it be called marriage and be recognized by the church.

  57. “They demand that it be called a marriage.”

    Yes. Which isn’t a religious term. They asked that their civil union be called a marriage. So why is it acceptable for people to insert their religious beliefs into that debate but not allowed to do the same with other issues?

  58. “then the gay community DEMANDED it be called marriage and be recognized by the church.”

    Show me one place where they are arguing that churches be forced to recognise gay marriage?

  59. Will IRS Force Gay Marriage On Conservative Churches?
    http://www.forbes.com/…/2015/07/09/will-irs-force-gay-marriage-on-conservative-churches
    Jul 09, 2015 · And Another Legal Scholar. For the long-run, those religious institutions which refuse to perform same-sex marriages are correct to assume that some same-sex marriage advocates will press for the loss of tax-exempt status of churches, synagogues and mosques which decline to recognize such marriages.

    Author: Peter J Reilly

  60. Again that isn’t a full URL. You really need to learn how to copy and paste.

    And for the record almost all headlines that ask a question can be answered as “no”.

    “Will IRS Force Gay Marriage On Conservative Churches?”

    No.

  61. smcgiff

    You continue to make inane statements that indicate you are not up to this discussion. Goodbye.

  62. try this one

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/26/how-a-supreme-court-decision-for-gay-marriage-would-affect-religious-institutions/

  63. Hundreds of years ago, Phantom. But only a few decades ago it would have meant being ostracised in Irish society, so no surprise it’s only being discussed openly relatively recently.

  64. All that link suggest that some private businesses run by religious organisations won’t be able to discriminate. It says nothing about churches being forced to recognise gay marriage. In fact it says the opposite.

  65. Phantom,

    Interesting case here about the last person executed for blasphemy in the U

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Aikenhead

  66. Wow

    I was Unaware of this

  67. Some people in the Catholic Church still take it seriously……

    https://apnews.com/af938e0c85d448298ebe986f1312d2ed

    PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — Rhode Island’s Roman Catholic bishop on Sunday defended a tweet urging Catholics to not support or attend LGBTQ Pride Month events, saying it was his obligation to teach the faith “clearly and compassionately, even on very difficult and sensitive issues.”

    Diocese of Providence Bishop Thomas Tobin sparked a backlash beginning Saturday when he tweeted, “A reminder that Catholics should not support or attend LGBTQ ‘Pride Month’ events held in June. They promote a culture and encourage activities that are contrary to Catholic faith and morals. They are especially harmful for children.”

    Bishop Tobin is correct, although he should have framed his comment in light of the massive sexual abuse meted out to children by homos in the clergy.

    Anyway, here’s the Daily Stormer’s comments…….

    https://dailystormer.name/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/faggots-2-1.jpg

    It reads as……

    2001 – Relax bigot! It’s not like gays are going to come into your child’s classroom and tell them to be gay

    2018: K-12 schoools bringing in drag queens to teach gender ideology.

    And there’s this one……

    https://dailystormer.name/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/faggots-4.jpg

    This is when children know that something is wrong

  68. But then he never commanded governments to protect innocents from death – so he never commanded the government to outlaw abortion. He never commanded governments to enforce Christian teaching on same sex marriage.

    That’s just amazing. Jesus didn’t address abortion because there was no need to – it is so obviously sinful.

    https://www.tms.edu/blog/jesus-never-address-homosexuality/

    First, it must be noted that this is an argument from silence, and thus rests on a shaky rational foundation. Jesus also didn’t say a word about pedophilia, bestiality, or rape. But it would be absurd to seek to garner support for any of those abominable acts on the basis of such silence.