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HA HA HA HA

By Pete Moore On June 4th, 2019

So the Magic Grandad snubbed Trump, he said. He wouldn’t meet with Trump, he said. He opposes Trump and everything he stands for, he said. No way will they meet. Oh hang on –

Whoops! No worries Jezbollah. Don’t feel too bad. The President is a very busy man. He has a full schedule with the players, the movers and shakers, the power brokers and influencers. People like this –

39 Responses to “HA HA HA HA”

  1. It is emblematic of Trump’s ignorance of diplomatic protocol. In addition to campaigining for an opposition party with no MPs (the week of a by-election), he has also criticised the government’s policies, and weighed in on who the Tories should elect as their next leader. Add the fact that he has refused to meet the Leader of the Opposition (also a break with convention) and Trump has treated the Brits with nothing but disdain.

    But the British Trumpers are Trumpers first, and British second, and will celebrate him taking a piss on their country.

  2. Correct.

    Just as US Trumpers are Trumpers first, and Americans second

    Cult of Personality such as we have never seen. Jerry Springer on a white horse to the rescue.

  3. God bless President Trump.

  4. There is of course a much more sinister side to Trump’s visit:

    Donald Trump has declared he wants the NHS to be on the table in any US-UK trade deal and refused to meet the “negative” Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, who pledged to oppose US corporations taking over the health service with every breath in his body.

    On the second day of his state visit, during which he has been hosted by the Queen and Theresa May, the US president set out his ambitions for a “phenomenal” post-Brexit trade deal with the UK

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/04/trump-says-he-turned-down-corbyn-request-to-meet

    Yeah, ‘phenomenal’ but for who? Trump wants a much weaker UK trade negotiating position outside the EU in order for that establishmet and big business buddies can dictate terms to national government as a condition of a trade deal. Duplicitous Nige’s and Bojos know this and are covertly complicit in such avaricious chicanery.

    Pahntom said a few days ago the Brit MPs know that such greedy perfidiousness against the NHS would be electoral suicide so maybe there’s some hope:

    May appeared uncomfortable at the suggestion the NHS could be included in a trade deal, saying both sides would “negotiate and come to an agreement about what should or should not be in that trade deal for the future”. However, she did not explicitly rule it out.

    That was left to Matt Hancock, the health secretary, who is running to be Conservative leader. “Dear Mr President. The NHS isn’t on the table in trade talks – and never will be. Not on my watch,” he tweeted.

    Jeremy Hunt, the former health secretary, also ruled it out this week, saying: “I can’t conceive of any future prime minister, for any party, ever agreeing that we would allow NHS procurement to be part of trade talks, because the NHS as a publicly run, publicly owned institution is part of our DNA.”

    Even Dominic Raab, a rightwinger in the Tory contest who has suggested offering tax breaks to companies wanting to provide NHS services, said: “I want to see the UK get fair deals on trade with the US and many other countries when we leave the EU. But the NHS is not for sale to any country and never would be if I was prime minister.”

  5. There probably is a strong case for privatizing some parts of the NHS.

    But to consider doing so now, at the behest of a US president who is bullying the UK at a moment when the UK position is not strong, is horrible optics and bad policy.

    This is the same president who wanted to destroy Obamacare for his own people and replace it with nothing good. He wants the same for his dear friends in the UK.

  6. He’s shilling for his elite big business buddies Phantom. If Donnie was prepared to throw his own son under the bus over meeting a Russian lawyer promising dirt imagine what he’s willing to do to the Brits in a trade deal.

    There probably is a strong case for privatizing some parts of the NHS

    Which parts and what’s the case?

  7. Ain’t getting into that complex subject now.

    There are very good health systems that are private but strongly regulated – Switzerland and the Netherlands are a good examples.

    I’m not doctrinaire on this. I will accept a system that is 100% public, 100% private or any combination so long as it protects all citizens and other legal residents at a high level at a reasonable cost.

    Privatize the financing, or the hospitals or parts of the hospitals, fine by me so long as there is a guarantee that all citizens are protected.

    But that’s not what Trump wants in the US, and its not what he or his British chums want for the UK.

  8. There should be a comprehensive public health system to citizens who wish to avail of it and private medical insurance for those who wish to avail of it.

  9. Sounds good to me.

  10. Torn on this one.

    He is an unpleasant, ignorant buffoon…but the elected Head of State of an ally. Respect for the Office (if not the man) means the British rolling out the red carpet is correct.

    His Irish visit is more ambiguous. He’s visiting his own golf resort. Is he acting as POTUS or as Trump the private businessman? Protests are much more valid in that case.

  11. A marvelous marketing opportunity.

  12. Trump is by no means the stupidest person in America. He is smarter than the folks who voted for him.

  13. “He is an unpleasant, ignorant buffoon…but the elected Head of State of an ally. Respect for the Office (if not the man) means the British rolling out the red carpet is correct.”

    Sure. But if he is going to ignore diplomatic protocol then he can’t complain when others don’t stick to it to a tee.

  14. Seamus, it is about doing the right thing; not responding to his nincompoopery with more of the same.

  15. Donald Trump has declared he wants the NHS to be on the table in any US-UK trade deal and refused to meet the “negative” Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, who pledged to oppose US corporations taking over the health service with every breath in his body.

    It’s the same deal that the EU offered as part of TTIP. The difference is we can say “sorry, but no” when we are in control of our own trade negotiations instead of having to allow foreigners to do so on our behalf. (As a British tax-victim I hope anyone else takes over the NHS.)

    We’ll note also that those who are shrieking in horror at US firms bidding for NHS contracts are happy for French and German firms to bid for NHS contracts.

    In the end it’s just the Left’s second oldest hatred – that of the US.

  16. “It’s the same deal that the EU offered as part of TTIP. The difference is we can say “sorry, but no” when we are in control of our own trade negotiations instead of having to allow foreigners to do so on our behalf. (As a British tax-victim I hope anyone else takes over the NHS.)”

    All EU trade deals have to have unanimous support in EU member states. If one member state says no then the deal falls. Any EU trade deal that required the privatisation of the NHS would have required the UK’s support to do so.

  17. Trump said he thinks Brexit will happen. That means Brexit will not happen based on his record of accurate predictions.

    The NHS will not be privatized because it is highly rated by nearly all UK citizens. It would be toxic for politicians to mess with it, especially at such a volatile time.

  18. Very good, Mahons. Oscar would have been proud.

    There was a good cartoon yesterday showing the removing of a star from the EU flag(symbolising) Brexit, only for the same start to be added to the ‘Stars and stripes’.

    The only criticism of the cartoon I have is that it flatters the UK. The relationship will be more Puerto Rico than Rhode Island.

    The UK is going to find out how very small it is compared to the major economic blocks. It’s a train crash practically everyone not caught in the brexit red mist can see.

    Oh, and good that Nigel Farage was meeting his future boss. He’ll make a good Pétain.

  19. See what Seamus says above about TTIP and vetos Pete. Trump of course sees the UK as having a much weaker negotiating position outside the EU hence his love of Brexit.

    The only criticism of the cartoon I have is that it flatters the UK. The relationship will be more Puerto Rico than Rhode Island

    Spot on analogy. If Brexiteers are complaining about supposed loss of sovereignty as a member of the EU wait until they go it alone see what happens negotiating with one of the economic superpowers.

    Oh, and good that Nigel Farage was meeting his future boss.

    Indeed smc but after the Nige begging him for a job and Donnie shafting him he had to throw him some kind of bone:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-nigel-farage-job-campaign-eu-ambassador-presidential-administration-a7404136.html

  20. Incidentally, I’m listening to LBC as I type this and James O’Brien has claimed that 500,000 American families go bankrupt each year as a result of medical expenses.

  21. Yeah Paul, Nigel will have a role in the Trump administration. As figurehead leader of the UK.

  22. James O’Brien has claimed that 500,000 American families go bankrupt each year as a result of medical expenses.

    That sounds very high. But its a lot. In a proper country, the number should be zero.

  23. shit happens…. you pick up, move on, and continue to live.

    Life is still good.

  24. James O’Brien is a notorious liar and propagandist. The very worst of broadcasters. A thoroughly nasty man. He also said this today –

    @_BrexitTory

    James OBrien on LBC has just suggested that today could be the last joint DDay commemoration between EU countries because of Brexit.

    Nothing is sacred with these remainiac extremists.

    That is the demented James O’Brien.

  25. If he said that, it was a mean-spirited, highly partisan comment.

  26. The UK is going to find out how very small it is compared to the major economic blocks.

    If only Switzerland, Monaco, Lichtenstein, Singapore and Hong Kong could be in the EU.

    Like Greece.

  27. Switzerland of course is in the single market, very linked to the EU

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland%E2%80%93European_Union_relations

  28. He also said this today

    Well, if you believe what some bloke called Brexit Tory said on Twitter he did anyway. But if O’Brein’s a ‘notorious liar and propagandist. The very worst of broadcasters. A thoroughly nasty man’ (which I suspect means that Pete doesn’t like what he says but can’t disprove it), he must also be wrong on the med bankruptacy figures in the US, right? The good news for Pete is that according to CNBC O’Brien is incorrect. The bad news is it’s more than 500,000 a year:

    A new study from academic researchers found that 66.5 percent of all bankruptcies were tied to medical issues —either because of high costs for care or time out of work. An estimated 530,000 families turn to bankruptcy each year because of medical issues and bills, the research found

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/this-is-the-real-reason-most-americans-file-for-bankruptcy.html

    Some grifter takes your house, savings and all the money you have? – hunt him, cage him, kill him.

    Big med business takes your house, savings and all the money you have because you get ill? – meh! shit happens…. you pick up, move on, and continue to live.

    IF that’s the prominent thought process within society it’s not just the vulnerable patient that’s sick.

  29. A new study from academic researchers found that 66.5 percent of all bankruptcies were tied to medical issues —either because of high costs for care or time out of work.

    Wages not earned due to being out of work is -not- IMO the same issue as savings depleted due to medical expenses. They’re closely related but not the same.

  30. I don’t know Pahntom. I suppose like most surveys it depends on definition of subject matter. For example, I would include someone getting ill, not being able to afford treatment for the illness and then losing their job as a result of the illness closely linked to medical costs.

  31. Here, for an average person, health treatment and ” sick day ” lost wages due to illness is generally provided at the whim of the employer.

    It comes down to what are generally piss poor safety nets for the middle class.

    The poor have protections, the rich have no need of protections, and the middle class have few protections, until after they’re ruined by medical costs, etc.

  32. Monaco is a part of the EU customs territory through an agreement with France, and is administered as part of France.

    Switzerland is as per Phantom.

    Lichtenstein is part of the EEA.

    If you look at the map Singapore and Hong Kong (now China in effect) are many thousands of miles away. Are you thinking of paddling the UK over to the other side of the world, Pete?

  33. Health treatment and ” sick day ” lost wages due to illness is generally provided at the whim of the employer.

    Feudal.

  34. Singapore is an exceptionally well run place with a good economy.

    But it’s small.

  35. Singapore cannot be both small and have a good economy. EU fans have assured me of that and we know they are well informed.

  36. Ireland is small and has an excellent economy. It is however in the EU and getting bucket loads of FDI from the US.

    Trump said today that brexit is going to be great for Ireland.

    When it comes to the UK outside the EU the best you can do is request the US uses lube.

  37. South Korean might be a decent enough comparison with the UK

    And they’ve gone from a poor country to a rich country in a generation.

  38. //James O’Brien is a notorious liar and propagandist. The very worst of broadcasters. A thoroughly nasty man. He also said this today[…]
    Well, if you believe what some bloke called Brexit Tory said on Twitter he did anyway//

    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1136612704230281218

  39. //If he said that, it was a mean-spirited, highly partisan comment.//

    I was listening to the show (though not all the time) and one thing he did say several times that this would be the last major (round figure) anniversary simply because all surviving vets are so old.

    //Ireland is small and has an excellent economy. It is however in the EU and getting bucket loads of FDI from the US. //

    It goes the other way too. I saw this week that Ireland is the 8th largest foreign investor in the US. More than France. Incredible, although maybe there’s something I overlooked.