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THE BBC HATES GOVE

By Pete Moore On June 8th, 2019

I love decoding the press. Partisan outfits like The Guardian or the BBC, the UK’s controversial state broadcaster, infuse their political reporting with propaganda. Sometimes it’s blatant, sometimes it’s more more subtle. It’s not just the choice of language either, which (say) treats anti-democrats dedicated to foreign rule as “moderates” while suggesting that those who want national self determination are Brexit “hardliners”. That’s not so subtle. That’s just blatantly twisting language and history.

Photographs are another way that they propagandise. Think of Obama. Every newspiece on Obama was illustrated with a photo of him, sometimes from below, intended to convey wisdom and nobility. Again, talk about twisting reality. So today the BBC is leading with Michael Gove and his admission to snorting cocaine years ago. It’s a nothing story on a slow news day, but of all the photos the BBC could have used of a Cabinet Minister, they chose the one below. The real message of the story is that the BBC’s gauleiters really hate Gove and don’t want him to become the next Prime Minister –

105 Responses to “THE BBC HATES GOVE”

  1. The one credible contender to Johnson? Ipso facto, are you saying the BBC are pro Johnson?

  2. I love decoding the press. Partisan outfits like The Guardian or the BBC

    Of course, there are no partisan outfits on the right, no-siree.

    Gove outed himself in a Daily Mail interview. The Daily Mail has always been right-wing (it admired the Austrian Corporal in the 1930s) and Gove’s wife just happens to work for it. I would say this is an example of a politician getting out ahead of a story that was very likely to emerge soon in any case, in an attempt at damage limitation. It will have very little impact on the Tory MPs whose support he needs to get onto the runoff ballot, but the Tory party members (mostly over 50, 70% male, and socially conservative to put it politely) will be a different story. Johnson looks more and more like a shoo-in.

  3. smcgiff –

    Raab is the credible contender, or what passes for one in this race, to Johnson. The BBC newsroom favours the oddball Rory Stewart.

    Peter –

    The Daily Mail can’t hold a candle to the Daily Mirror, which urged its readers to join the British Union of Fascists.

  4. Raab is the credible contender

    No, Raab is a swivel-eyed loon who is treatening to upend the constitution by getting the queen to prorogue parliament so that it cannot stop a no-deal Brexit on 31 October.

    He must think he’s Oliver Cromwell.

  5. Bercow the bully has already upended the Constitution, and he’s kept in place by an institutionally anti-semitic party which ignores that he’s a nasty man toward female staff. That’s all that sustains Remain.

    Proroguing Parliament to bring about the will of the people would be setting the Constitution to rights. It’s precisely this thing, this coup by a renegade Parliament against the people, which prorogation was designed to stop.

  6. “Proroguing Parliament to bring about the will of the people would be setting the Constitution to rights.”

    No it wouldn’t. The centre point of the British constitution is that the people are not sovereign, Parliament is. The will of the people is irrelevant (constitutionally). The will of Parliament is what matters.

  7. It’s precisely this thing, this coup by a renegade Parliament against the people, which prorogation was designed to stop.

    No Pete, prorogation was always at the whim of the monarch. The Stuart kings were very fond of it, none more than Charles I. But that didn’t well for him and I doubt that Dominic Raab will want to emulate this scene:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDsAn_u70tw

  8. And here is Charles II following his father’s example:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFa4UNmdEhg

  9. Seamus –

    The centre point of the British constitution is that the people are not sovereign, Parliament is.

    You misunderstand what is meant by “Parliamentary sovereignty”. The common misconception, which you share, is that Parliament can do what it likes. This is a nonsense of course. That would be a licence for tyranny.

    “Parliamentary sovereignty” simply means that parliamentary law – statute law – is supreme in this kingdom. It does not mean that Parliament may do as it likes, but that it’s statutes may not be overridden by other laws.

    Ut means that UK statute law is superior to EU law, for example.

    The irony here is that Remainers, suddenly cleaving to the doctrine of Parliamentary sovereignty, are adhering to something which thy do not understand and which they actually seek to overturn.

  10. That would be a licence for tyranny. you mean like not doing what the people voted for….. that kind of tyranny or another?

  11. They aren’t Sovereign, but they act it by doing as they choose the people be damned.

  12. The irony here is that Remainers, suddenly cleaving to the doctrine of Parliamentary sovereignty

    No Pete, the irony is that some of those who campaigned to “take back control” are now arguing for parliament to be by-passed in what would be nothing less than a coup d’etat.

    I am not a Remainer. But I do not want to see the constitution trashed by Raab and his fanatical anti-EU followers. And I suspect that his followers are a small minority at best. Support for a no-deal Brexit is about 30%. So support for a no-deal Brexit trash the constitution option will be a lot smaller than that. But I am confident that a few more headbangers will climb aboard the Raab battle bus in the next few days. It will be fun to watch, but the stakes are high.

  13. ““Parliamentary sovereignty” simply means that parliamentary law – statute law – is supreme in this kingdom. It does not mean that Parliament may do as it likes, but that it’s statutes may not be overridden by other laws.”

    Which means it is sovereign ie it has the final word on things. It can’t be told what to do by anything else. Every other entity in the UK can be told what to do by Parliament. Parliament cannot be told what to do. It cannot be limited, even by Parliament. So literally, yes it could do as it likes, tyranny or otherwise.

    “They aren’t Sovereign, but they act it by doing as they choose the people be damned.”

    They are sovereign, or not so much they but it. Members of Parliament are not sovereign but Parliament is.

  14. “They aren’t Sovereign, but they act it by doing as they choose the people be damned.”

    Certainly, gentlemen, it ought to be the happiness and glory of a representative to live in the strictest union, the closest correspondence, and the most unreserved communication with his constituents. Their wishes ought to have great weight with him; their opinion, high respect; their business, unremitted attention. It is his duty to sacrifice his repose, his pleasures, his satisfactions, to theirs; and above all, ever, and in all cases, to prefer their interest to his own. But his unbiassed opinion, his mature judgment, his enlightened conscience, he ought not to sacrifice to you, to any man, or to any set of men living. These he does not derive from your pleasure; no, nor from the law and the constitution. They are a trust from Providence, for the abuse of which he is deeply answerable. Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.

    As true now as it was in 1774.

  15. a lie is a lie is a lie Seamus

    When the servant of the people runs for office saying I will do a, b, and c and then just says screw you I just can’t do it…. which is what your politicians did… the same as ours did to us with repeal and replace…

    Those of the permanent political class are liars and cheats. They are kissing babies while stealing their lollipops.

  16. So don’t vote for them at the next election.

    And the problem is that the people were promised (by the Leave campaign) a group of mutually exclusive ideas. And now that it is clear they can’t deliver it they are trying to blame the people who said all along that it couldn’t be done.

  17. saying it can’t be done is not a solution either. It was voted on, if your most talented can’t figure it out fire them….. we did,

    we elected Trump as a response to the crap the “parties” offered us.

  18. we all need deeper pools of personnel to pull our politicians from….. the pools have become very shallow and stagnant

  19. Or it was voted on, it can’t be done so don’t do it.

  20. Patrick Van Roy,

    we all need deeper pools of personnel to pull our politicians from….. the pools have become very shallow and stagnant

    Well said.

  21. Be careful what you wish for

    The desire for someone utterly unqualified Was what led to The reality star/dilettante Trump

  22. And is it really fishing in a different pool? In 2012 the Republicans nominated a millionaire. And in 2016 the Republicans nominated a billionaire.

    And the Conservatives are most likely going to elect a career politician Etonian who went to Oxford. And the darling of the “change” politics is a former investment banker public school boy career politician.

  23. I wouldn’t necessarily demonize an investment banker or a rich guy

    But it’s completely wrong to think of these people, or those Who have inherited fortunes – Trump – As outsiders

    And I absolutely don’t think that outsiders are necessarily better in any way

    For starters, outsiders tend to not have any idea about how the government works

  24. “I wouldn’t necessarily demonize an investment banker or a rich guy”

    I’m not demonising them. Just pointing out that they are hardly different from the sort of politicians that have been in place for the last few decades. Boris Johnson’s CV reads almost word for word like David Cameron’s.

  25. For starters, outsiders tend to not have any idea about how the government works

    Yeah because “career” Politicians rewrote the rules long ago about what their jobs are. They very rarely if ever follow the rules that the system was setup by. This combined with the runaway corruption is why we need term limits.

    No one should serve for more than 12 years period.

    As for Millionaire Billionaire bullcrap…… Cory Booker Democrat Candidate for President of these United States was $50,000 in DEBT when he took office 3 months later he was worth $5 Million …….. that’s called corruption whether it’s legal or not.

  26. “As for Millionaire Billionaire bullcrap…… Cory Booker Democrat Candidate for President of these United States was $50,000 in DEBT when he took office 3 months later he was worth $5 Million …….. that’s called corruption whether it’s legal or not.”

    No. That is called not true. Booker’s worth is estimated at $563k.

  27. You elected a career con artist and liar as president

    Please no lectures on “ good government “

  28. Booker is a lightweight

    But this here is the. Usual uninformed Hannityite disinformation and character assassination

  29. Wrong…… his worth now is estimated at 1.6 million. When he got elected to the senate he was broke and in debt. He “wrote” a book and got a million advance and he was gifted 5 million in shares of a company that he then later (2017) had to get rid of….. due to refusing to disclose it and other charges of corruption. He gave it to “charity”.

  30. https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/273772/how-cory-bookers-5-million-grifting-ended-his-daniel-greenfield

  31. “Wrong…… his worth now is estimated at 1.6 million. When he got elected to the senate he was broke and in debt. He “wrote” a book and got a million advance and he was gifted 5 million in shares of a company that he then later (2017) had to get rid of….. due to refusing to disclose it and other charges of corruption. He gave it to “charity”.”

    And you have evidence for this? OpenSecrets, for example, put his net worth at $563k.

  32. And by evidence I don’t mean an attack piece by a David Horowitz “fellow”.

  33. For starters, outsiders tend to not have any idea about how the government works

    That’s a non-starter: government doesn’t work. Here’s an example…….

    https://www.breitbart.com/border/2019/06/08/350-congolese-migrants-arrive-in-san-antonio/

    San Antonio officials scrambled this week to find French-speaking volunteers to help with hundreds of Congolese migrants arriving in the Alamo City.

    “We didn’t get a heads up,” Interim Assistant City Manager Dr. Collen Bridger told KEN 5 after a group of 350 Congolese migrants arrived in the city unexpectedly. “When we called Border Patrol to confirm, they said, ‘yea another 200 to 300 from the Congo and Angola will be coming to San Antonio.’”

    Congolese from Africa are fleeing Guatemalan poverty in their thousands and coming to the open-borders of the US. If I were planning on getting ebola into the US, that’s how I would go about it. Now who is ferrying Congolese across the Atlantic into Mexico then Texas? I would wager that it’s the same (((NGOs))) who are ferrying Africans across the Mediterranean into Europe.

    Entire countries from anywhere in the shit-world could move into the US and nothing would be done to stop such an invasion

    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-first-large-group-from-africa-wades-across-rio-grande-into-us/

    So how many are invading the US to pay the pensions of Americans?

    https://twitter.com/CBP/status/1136337950353100800

    CBP
    ‏Verified account @CBP

    CBP continues to face a worsening crisis at the Southwest border. In May, CBP apprehended or deemed inadmissible 144,278 individuals along the SWB—a 32% increase over the previous month. Details here: http://bit.ly/2DZrwJ8

  34. Trump runs a fake university And steals from charities, and this guy is fine with it

    A Democrat Writes a book, and it’s the crisis of the century

  35. yes Booker is as clean as the driven snow, he’ll be St Cory soon .

    Phantom unlike you I had no animosity towards Trump even when he was screeching Lying Ted and saying crap about his father.

    You on the other hand have had a built in hate for the guy.

    Obama, the Clinton’s, John McCain, the DNC, and the MSM tried to frame him n the press. The DOJ/FBI tried to frame him after he was elected. They then went through his life with a fine tooth comb to find anything they could charge him with…. THEY FOUND NOTHING!

    The Country is at the beginning of the second Oil Boom Millions of people are back to work and millions that Obama put on Food Stamps are now able to buy their own food.

    Every area of the country is doing better, but you just vomit bile, and not on substance just on the man himself.

    There is an issue there…… you really should address it.

  36. “yes Booker is as clean as the driven snow, he’ll be St Cory soon .”

    I take it that is a no, you don’t have any evidence.

  37. I’m not going through the futile gesture of putting up stuff to inform you with that you give no weight to.

    You just keep watching CNNInternational and the Beeb you’ll be perfectly informed…. maybe read a little Mother Jones….. lmao

  38. “I’m not going through the futile gesture of putting up stuff to inform you with that you give no weight to.”

    I give weight to evidence, not far-right attack pieces written by a David Horowitz disciple. If that is your evidence then you have no evidence.

  39. You made it up or you cut and pasted it

    The black Democrat isn’t smart enough to write a book and you’re the only one in the world who figured it out

    We know for a fact that Donald Trump did not write “the art of the deal “, His number one best seller. The true author of that book is well known. Yet no comment on that. Why is that?

  40. I don’t support Cory Booker.

    But He was elected Mayor of a large city several times, and he was elected governor of a large Northeastern State

    Only Alex Jones types Would question his intelligence or his honesty. The guy has a following, And only someone who doesn’t know anything about US politics would say otherwise

  41. Trump will be gone in 2020 and deservedly so for, whilst he did nothing, others were energised Beyond Trump………

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=-E1WHgAVJmc

    American Renaissance
    Published on 7 Jun 2019
    Activist James Allsup criticizes President Trump’s betrayals on immigration, but also credits Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign with invigorating young activists who have become the backbone of white advocacy. Mr. Allsup condemns the neoliberal elite that is destroying America’s identity and quality of life by importing migrants. For these elite, migrants reduce wages and swell the ranks of consumers. In response, Mr. Allsup calls for local, face-to-face community-building and support networks, saying that whites have the opportunity to construct a nation from within this crumbling empire and create a true “American Renaissance.”

    Americans used to derive their identity from who we are – our national characteristics, our attitude, our common ancestry, our spirit. Now, we identify ourselves around which sports ball team we cheer for on Sundays; are we team i-phone or team Android? Do we prefer Nike or Adidas?

    Consumerism is a dehumanising force, which divorces us from the things which make us who we are and intertwines us with the things we choose to purchase. Marketing firms have spent billions of dollars researching the best ways to exploit our psychology and convince us that buying the next product is the missing key to bringing us happiness. All in my life will be well when I get a 2″ bigger television or a phone with 2 more megapixels. A good consumer is never satisfied with what they have and is constantly driven to buy more, and to buy outside their means.

    If you’re part of the neoliberal, capitalist elite that strives to maximise profit, you want more consumers and you also want to decrease costs, which means decreasing wages. It would make sense for you to demographically eliminate the people who demand things like vacation time, maternity leave and a fair and living wage that would allow them to raise a family on a single income. You’d want to eliminate the people who save their money, own their homes instead of paying rent, and don’t fall for predatory, usurious lending. As the workforce becomes lower-paid and lower-skilled, quality of life for those residing in the US, Americans and non-Americans alike, will suffer. For a glimpse into our country’s wonderful future take a look at the corrugated aluminium skylines of South American favellas or the conditions in your average Indian hospital or the academic environment in your typical South African university.

    The elites don’t mind. They’ll be in their gated communities. They can pay to have their good doctor. They’ll be in their coastal enclaves. They’ll have expensive contractors to build their homes. Private ambulance services and foreign passports waiting on their night stands at home, but we, the proles, will be forced to experience diversity, and we will appreciate it because it is our strength.

    We aren’t the easily controllable worker and consumer automatons that this capitalist, neoliberal system demands, and so they have to replace us. Inconveniently for the usurers and media elites, we are not going quietly. People in growing numbers are standing up and rejecting the neoliberal morality pushed upon us by the powerful elites and technocrats.

    That morality tells us it’s enlightened to give your child hormone treatment and mutilate their reproductive organs at a young age. That is enlightened. It’s progressive to allow paedophiles unfettered access to your young children. The most stunning, beautiful, feminist bravery of all is never even to have a child. Instead, have his head crushed with a pair of pliers and his dissected limbs sucked out with a vacuum. They claim that we are evil while they sexualise every child they cannot kill and call us hateful for defending our families. No, they are the evil ones, not us.

  42. Illegal immigration Is the one issue where Trump holds the high moral ground

    Any Democrat that replaces him will make a dramatic shift towards overt open borders

    We have And out and out criminal in the White House, but the alternatives are not great either

    The best of a bad lot might be Biden?

  43. Phantom, on June 9th, 2019 at 8:34 PM Said:

    Illegal immigration Is the one issue where Trump holds the high moral ground

    Any Democrat that replaces him will make a dramatic shift towards overt open borders

    The US borders are open. What makes you think that they’re not?

  44. There are arrests – not nearly enough,But there are arrests

    People are sent back now, as they were under Obama

    Under President Beto, There would be a lot less of that

    Trump holds the high moral ground on this one. His tactics May not always be correct, But he is trying to fix the problem In a way that other major politicians are not

  45. Illegal immigration is a fraction of a problem that it used to be. In 2000 there were 1.6 million people apprehended at the US southern border. That number as 252 thousand last year. And the major change has had nothing to do with enforcement. The major change has been an improving Mexican economy.

    Apprehensions and border patrol will not reduce illegal immigration. The wall will not reduce illegal immigration. NAFTA will. CAFTA will.

  46. I am entirely in favor of helping Mexico Central America and South America economically

    But There is way too much illegal immigration.

    The acceptable amount of illegal immigration is zero

    All steps should be taken to achieve that goal .

  47. “All steps should be taken to achieve that goal”

    Sure. But the steps Trump is taken are not going to help it. In fact his trade war nonsense potentially could make things worse.

    But the simple fact is that enforcement against illegal immigrants has little or no impact on rates of illegal immigration. Enforcement against companies that employ them might. But Trump has no interest in doing something like that.

    It is why Trump doesn’t hold the moral high ground. He has no interest in actually doing anything to fix the problem. He is using illegal immigrants as a scapegoat for all that ills America.

  48. Phantom, on June 9th, 2019 at 8:17 PM Said:
    You made it up or you cut and pasted it

    The black Democrat isn’t smart enough to write a book and you’re the only one in the world who figured it out

    I find this extremely offensive……..

    Every time I criticize a politician who is not white you pull this racist shit….. You really are a Bigot Tom.

  49. It’s not illegal immigration that is destroying the future of the US: it’s ‘legal’ immigration. That which is called illegal today shall be legal tomorrow and the collapse in the IQ of the US and Europe means that high-tech infrastructure can no longer be maintained any more than the basis of law and order.

    The wall will not reduce illegal immigration.

    Israel has a wall – zero immigration. There was an effective wall on the East-West boundary in the middle of Germany – zero migration. Walls work which is why they have been built throughout history.

  50. Seamus – why are you not supporting Trump? He suckered middle-America and has ensured that no wall is built, and he’s bringing in huge numbers of street-shitters from India. Moreover, Africans are entering the US in numbers not seen since jews brought them over as slaves. Trump is your man!

  51. “Israel has a wall – zero immigration. There was an effective wall on the East-West boundary in the middle of Germany – zero migration. Walls work which is why they have been built throughout history.”

    Utter, utter bollocks.

    Firstly the Berlin Wall was about 27 miles long. It was manned with 302 guard towers and 55,000 landmines. And 5,000 people still crossed it.

    Secondly, Israel shouted about their Barrier for a decade about how important it would to preventing attacks. Since it was completed they have stopped shouting about it, while attacks have continued. There has been a decline in suicide bombings. But then there have also been a decline in suicide bombings against Israeli settlements on the far side of the Barrier, suggesting that it isn’t the Barrier but other IDF action that is reducing it. It’s also estimated that nearly 55% of Palestinians who cross the Barrier do so illegally.

  52. Sure. But the steps Trump is taken are not going to help it. In fact his trade war nonsense potentially could make things worse.

    But the simple fact is that enforcement against illegal immigrants has little or no impact on rates of illegal immigration. Enforcement against companies that employ them might. But Trump has no interest in doing something like that.

    Come on Seamus you’re smarter than that.

    Non-enforcement of our laws encourages them because they know if they get past the border they can stay. Saying that’s not an encouragement is not logical.

    The threat of Tariffs on Mexico caused them to respond immediately. Blackmail works, 5% a month till it reaches 25%…… it delivered the message.

    All the illegals right now are coming THROUGH Mexico….. that will stop or they will lose Billions.

  53. “The threat of Tariffs on Mexico caused them to respond immediately.”

    With unenforceable promises of unenforceable actions.

    And the disruption of the Mexican economy will cause more Mexicans to cross the border in search of work. The decline in Mexicans crossing the border has been caused by the growth of the Mexican economy.

    If you want to prevent illegal immigration in the United States you should be doing everything you can to grow the Mexican economy, and the Salvadoran and Guatemalan economies as well.

  54. Your “ criticism “ of a backbencher Senator who has no hope of being Elected president is sneaky utterly unverified Alex Jones inneuendo

    You made it up or whoever you copied it from made it up

    And again . You Voted for a guy who pretended to write a book that he did not write You never had a problem with that

    Talk about your low information voter!

  55. Seamus – I’ll write it again……..IN CAPITALS

    THERE WAS AN EFFECTIVE WALL ON THE EAST-WEST BOUNDARY IN THE MIDDLE OF GERMANY – ZERO MIGRATION.

    My error – it was 2,672 in 1980-88

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_attempts_and_victims_of_the_inner_German_border

    And Pete has just posted figures for the unguarded US border as a comparison

    As for Berlin, 5,000 people managed to get across the mines and guards? That needs a reference, please. If 5,000 over 30 years is true, the beleaguered whites in the US would welcome such figures for their southern border.

    Israel has no migration problem and is expanding their wall. I doubt that jews would be wasting money.

  56. No Tom you have a bigot problem.

    You accuse me of calling Obama a BLACK dictator, now you accuse me of attacking Booker because he’s a BLACK democrat……

    I never mention race, I couldn’t care less what color someone is, but you…. you’re obsessed and you’re a racist.

  57. “THERE WAS AN EFFECTIVE WALL ON THE EAST-WEST BOUNDARY IN THE MIDDLE OF GERMANY – ZERO MIGRATION.”

    Again there wasn’t zero migration. There was substantial migration, including, in addition to the 2,600 who went directly, 36,000 people who went around the walls. Additionally it was a totalitarian state keeping people in the country, not a liberal democracy trying to keep people out. There was also substantial use of landmines, not to mention the Stasi, to keep people in.

  58. “I never mention race, I couldn’t care less what color someone is, but you”

    But your mates do. And the people you regularly quote and source to do care about race.

  59. his racist remarks though are directed at me…..

  60. “his racist remarks though are directed at me…..”

    His remarks were not racist. Qui cum canibus concumbunt cum pulicibus surgent. If you continually quote racists, and take the side of racists, in arguments then don’t be a little snowflake when someone calls you racist.

  61. You have reprinted racist dog whistles about Obama for years Including the uppity drawing

    And now you just happen to select the black guy As being corrupt, And for not being smart enough to write his own book

    Of course you’re not racist. You’re as non racist as the birther you defend Every hour of every day here!

  62. nonsense 99% of these things are only racist to you because you are a racist.

  63. https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Pet-Supplies-Dog-Whistles/zgbs/pet-supplies/2975423011

  64. Seamus – the east German wall worked, and it was built to ensure that Germans did not flee to the west. The Israeli wall works – no immigration, and vigorous deportation of invaders. Walls work – and the US needs one. It won’t get one because Trump lied, and you should be supporting Trump.

  65. But your mates do. And the people you regularly quote and source to do care about race.

    Race matters – none of the ‘anti-racists’ here or anywhere want to move to Africa or Pakistan.

  66. Trump does support a wall

    He lied to his brain dead supporters about how it would be funded, but he’s been known to deceive on financial matters before

  67. “Race matters – none of the ‘anti-racists’ here or anywhere want to move to Africa or Pakistan.”

    I don’t want to move to Russia or Belarus either.

  68. Or Russian occupied Crimea

  69. I don’t want to move to Russia or Belarus either.

    Russia recently hosted the World Cup and thousands of Englishmen were there and enjoyed it.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/england-tunisia-world-cup-latest-volgograd-russia-praise-welcome-fans-trouble-a8405341.html

    Let’s hear it for World Cup Nigeria, as if

  70. “Russia recently hosted the World Cup and thousands of Englishmen were there and enjoyed it.”

    As thousands did in South Africa.

  71. Phantom, on June 9th, 2019 at 9:56 PM Said:

    Trump does support a wall

    He’s the POTUS ffs!!! He could get funding from anywhere, even crowd-funding. Trump lied, that’s all – and you did say that he would.

  72. Trump lied

    He did? That’s strange because according to Patrick, Trump never lies.

  73. Seamus, on June 9th, 2019 at 9:58 PM Said:
    “Race matters – none of the ‘anti-racists’ here or anywhere want to move to Africa or Pakistan.”

    I don’t want to move to Russia or Belarus either.

    I’d never leave Pennsylvania to live anywhere else….. been there done that nothing matches Pennsylvania.

    I’ve lived in California, Colorado, Texas, NJ, and Florida….. none of them matched Pa.

  74. He did? That’s strange because according to Patrick, Trump never lies.

    Not True….. but if it makes you feel better….

  75. Patrick

    About a week ago you challenged me when I referred to Trump’s industrial scale of lying.

    His lies since inauguration day have been logged and number in the thousands. Virtually every day he lies on Twitter or in speeches.

    And that’s not counting the lies put out on his behalf by his lying press spokeswoman.

  76. Seamus – South Africa was arguably a first-world country back then and you do know this. It is falling into the 3rd-world, and you know this too. If you don’t, here is evidence:

    https://europe.infowars.com/gang-of-50-youths-terrorizing-dublin-suburb/

    A roving gang of roughly 50 ‘youths’ have carried out a slew of attacks in a Dublin suburb in recent weeks, according to Irish media.

    The gang, which is being called the ‘Pesties’ but refer to themselves as the ‘Ongar Ni**as,’ has been targeting locals in Dublin 15 for random beatings with crowbars and baseball bats, the Irish Sun reports.

    Most recently, four teenage boys were ambushed while eating in a Chinese restaurant, with a mob of violent assailants storming into the business to rob and batter diners.

    Ooops – I meant…….

    https://dailystormer.name/south-africa-elderly-white-woman-and-her-son-hospitalized-after-five-kaffirs-attack-their-farm/

    But if whitey can get out…….

    https://africacheck.org/reports/1-7-million-people-pay-80-sas-income-tax/

    then it’s all over – and the Africans will have railways, motorways, power-stations all to themselves. Here’s Africa seen from space:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/earthpicturegalleries/9386592/Light-pollution-on-Earth-at-night-as-seen-from-space.html

    No whites – no electricity

  77. “Seamus – South Africa was arguably a first-world country back then and you do know this. It is falling into the 3rd-world, and you know this too. If you don’t, here is evidence:”

    But according to you, and your ilk, black majority countries couldn’t be developed.

    And it is progressing, not moving backwards. And by almost every metric South Africa is continuing to develop. Its life expectancy has increased. Its access to education has increased. The overall metric for development (the Human Development Index) has gone from 0.618 in 1990 to 0.699 in 2017.

  78. There has been an industrial-scale purge on youtube which seems not to have attracted any attention from ATW, because those purged are not in agreement with the globo-homo-corporate narrative. Anyway, the dissidents are moving to BitChute and here is an important discussion with BitChute’s Director – on youtube – and he’s stating that youtube created a wonderful platform which they are now destroying through censorship. In any case, the internet is getting censored and the dissidents are creating their own internet which shall be resistant to censorship:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=67&v=koRP1rj8pkk

  79. Australia looks pretty dark, as does Russia.

  80. BitChute. You mean the hosting site that is currently under investigation for distributing child pornography and rape videos?

  81. Seamus – you’re being a dickhead. South Africa was developped by whites for whites and is now collapsing because its population is non-white. Now you know this.

  82. Peter we get told lies everyday, the trick is to be smart enough to know when your being lied to and have the ability to research a subject itself and draw your own conclusions from the information you find.

    I like you and enjoy your views on a lot of things so please don’t take this personal, but you’re not very good at research Peter.

    A simple bit of research on this site would show that I have said from day one that anyone who believed Mexico was going to pay for the wall that I had a good bridge for them to buy. As to Trumps “Lies” I ask you to be specific about what lies because a lot of what you think are lies aren’t and things you think are true… aren’t.

  83. “Seamus – you’re being a dickhead. South Africa was developped by whites for whites and is now collapsing because its population is non-white. Now you know this.”

    You are a racist cunt. South Africa’s HDI was 0.618 at the fall of the rule of your racist cunts. It is now 0.699. Thus it has continued to develop. Those are the facts. Sorry if the facts get in the way of you racist cunting the thread up.

  84. Peter, on June 9th, 2019 at 10:47 PM Said:

    Australia looks pretty dark, as does Russia.

    Just imagine them without whites

  85. Seamus – blacks are thick, incapable of maintaining whitey’s civilisation. Otherwise, show me

  86. “Seamus – blacks are thick, incapable of maintaining whitey’s civilisation. Otherwise, show me”

    When South Africa was last ruled by racist cunts like yourself their HDI was 0.618. It is now 0.699. It has improved drastically since racist cunts like yourself were removed from power.

  87. Cheers Patrick. Unfortunately it would be a full-time job to research Trump’s lies so I’m happy to accept the results from those who monitor them on a daily basis.

    I shared your cynicism about the Mexico wall from the start, but I seem to recall you arguing that Trump could get Mexico to pay for it by “taxing” remittances from Mexicans in the States back to their families in Mexico. No doubt you will correct me if I’m wrong.

  88. no true I did say that was one way

  89. but I seem to recall you arguing that Trump could get Mexico to pay for it by “taxing” remittances from Mexicans in the States back to their families in Mexico

    That was me, and it would work because it is easily workable. But it isn’t going to happen, and the border states of the US are heading down the Rio Grande towards insufferable crime, white flight and ultimate collapse into a Mexico-level dystopia.

  90. I’ve said before that I have no problem with a wall in principal. All states have a right and a duty to defend their borders.

    But Trump lied about who would pay for it, presumably because he thought he need that lie to get elected. The irony is that if he had said it would cost $100 billion of tax dollars he would probably have been elected anyway. Whatever the cost, it could easily have been found in the vastly bloated defence budget.

  91. This is brilliant……

    Liberal Irish reporter Fergal Keane of the BBC is told from the horses mouth (a Black South African) that Blacks were better off under Apartheid and that their lives would only get better if the Apartheid government came back to power.

    Fergal: Do you ever think your life is going to get better Josef?

    Josef: Maybe my life would change if the Nationalist Party came back, not the ANC.

    Fergal: I don’t believe you. Come on. That was a White government that put you down, that treated you terribly, you cant really believe that?

    Josef: But in terms of work they didn’t oppress us. We didnt struggle for work then.

    – It appears that even when confronted with overwhelming evidence that he supported the wrong people in South Africa, liberal Irish reporter Fergal Keane still refuses to accept that he was wrong and then proceeds to tell a Black South African, living in South Africa that he, Irishman Fergal Keane who lives in Ireland knows better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4f0INWfws0

  92. Whatever the cost, it could easily have been found in the vastly bloated defence budget.

    Indeed – even from the missing $2.3 trillion

  93. even from the missing $2.3 trillion

    ???

  94. “This is brilliant……”

    Wow. So you found one black guy who supports bringing back the Nationalist Party. And even he is more in opposition to the ANC that support for Apartheid.

  95. Oops – it’s now a bit more……

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/americas-missing-money-15725.html

    On September 10, 2001, then U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld disclosed that his department was unable to account for roughly $2.3 trillion worth of transactions. The next day, the U.S. sustained the terrorist attacks that changed the world, and this startling revelation was forgotten.

    Just cohencidence……

    By 2015, the amount reported missing by the Office of the Inspector General had increased to $6.5 trillion—and that was just for the army. Using public data from federal databases, Mark Skidmore, a professor of economics at Michigan State University, found that $21 trillion in unsupported adjustments had been reported by the Defense and Housing and Urban Development departments between 1998 and 2015. That’s about $65,000 for every American.

  96. Go on Seamus – tell that black dude in South Africa that you in Ireland confirm that things are better 🙂 After all, if one Irish arsehole who works for the BBC can do it, what stops you?

  97. Peter 1111

    Spot on.

    The supposedly hostile media does not mention this nearly enough.

    Trump is the richest man that ever lived, why doesn’t he pay for it by himself?

    And the stupid supporters will never admit that they were fooled.

    There’s a sucker born every minute Buster

  98. “Go on Seamus – tell that black dude in South Africa that you in Ireland confirm that things are better 🙂 After all, if one Irish arsehole who works for the BBC can do it, what stops you?”

    I will. Because the data overwhelmingly shows that it is better than it used to be. And I’ll take data driven analysis over anecdotes any day of the week.

  99. and our defense budget is NOT bloated, if anything it’s underfunded.

  100. I meant bloated in the sense of vast rip-offs and corruption. Out of $700 billion it would be surprising if the bezzle was less than 5% i.e. $35 billion in the form of over-charging and bribes and kick-backs. That could pay for the wall in two or three years if the political will existed to tackle it. But those defence guys are big funders of both parties and have a huge lobbying industry, so it’s not surprising that they continue to get away with it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#Budget_by_year

  101. I meant bloated in the sense of vast rip-offs and corruption.

    well that can’t be argued with. And I’d say 5% is lowball I’d put the graft at a minimum of 10%.

  102. The US defense budget is vastly bloated. Ask anyone who studies it.

    The Congress even forces funding for weapon systems that the military doesn’t even want In order to protect jobs in their districts

  103. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/08/20/congress-pushes-for-weapons-pentagon-didnt-want.html

  104. nonsense.

  105. It is a total nightmare though of rules and programs that shouldn’t exist that’s where the real graft is…. the bases, the systems contractors tied o like you said votes and districts. There is way to much civilian involvement in our military system and where it does lead to local graft it’s also a good thing because you don’t want a military industrial complex without major civilian involvement. Thats when bad shit really happens.