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Shut up and Perform…..

By Patrick Van Roy On June 12th, 2019

I despise that Actors, Musicians, Entertainers in general are given any weight when they speak on anything other than their craft. Actors, Musicians, Entertainers live in a fantasy world, and just because they can memorize some lines, sing a song, or entertain the masses with their talent I don’t believe that gives them any authority to speak on ANYTHING other than their craft.

I make this exception Jon Stewart did a good thing calling Congress out over the lack of funding for 9/11 first responders.

 

28 Responses to “Shut up and Perform…..”

  1. Actors, musicians etc have as much right and authority to hold opinions and forward conclusions on politics as a plumber from Dublin, a school teacher from Edinburgh or anyone else.

  2. except they are given weight that the plumber and school teacher aren’t, and why….. These peoples lives are a mess. They are drug addicts, and moral deficient’s.

  3. Celebrities enjoy inordinate attention, some are even elected President.

  4. Pat, could you check your mail please.

  5. I really don’t think they are Pat. I think that while they do have a public profile and wider platform their views are subject to the same scrutiny as anyone elses?

    As for drug adicts:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-cocaine-use-tory-leadership-contest-illegal-drugs-policy-a8954011.html

    And moral deficients:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/donald-trump-tape-transcript.html

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7374619/trump-showed-melania-before-stormy-sex/

  6. “except they are given weight that the plumber and school teacher aren’t, and why”

    That isn’t their fault or a reason for them to keep quiet.

  7. I tend to agree with Pat…although it is the fact they are given the platform that irritates.

    The Late Late has a history of regularly wheeling out the same celebrities to pontificate on politics. Some are entertaining (Jim Sherdan – especially when drunk), some are just f@#$ing annoying (yes, you, Roddy Doyle).

  8. it is the fact they are given the platform that irritates.

    exactly

  9. Jon Stewart has done excellent work on this important issue. He powerfully put Congress in its place. Now we will see if they do anything.

  10. Stewart is a good guy but I don’t understand why there is a need for this funding.

    The uniformed FDNY and NYPD city employees would be largest number of the first responders that we speak of. They’re supposed to be protected through their own employee/retiree/workers compensation medical plans.

    There should be federal government support for injuries / disease that were caused by an incredibly huge national ( not local ) event, but even if there was no national support, or even if the national support was not enough, all these people should be receiving first rate care through the systems already in place.

  11. or let me restate

    Stewart is a good guy but I don’t understand why there is a need for this funding. the level of federal funding that these people receive.

  12. Oh hell my kingdom for an edit button

    Stewart is a good guy but I don’t understand why there is a need for this funding the level of federal funding should have a bearing on the level of medical care that is provided.

  13. You can always entrust your healthcare to government.

  14. I’d shutter to think of what you’d be offering these sick people.

    A copy of a dog-eared Ron Paul book and a bus ticket out of town?

  15. The cost of treating 9/11 first responders was $7.4bn over 5 years. So about $1.5bn per year.

    The average NYPD pension is $58,500 per year. There are 43,000 NYPD retirees. That means they pay out about $2.5bn per year. Now assuming the Fire Service is similar then you get a situation where even though both organisations have substantial assets to protect their retired members, and provide healthcare for them, it would be a substantial increase on their yearly payouts if they were also expected to cover 9/11 as well.

  16. This should be a matter for NYC and NYS to take up with the federal government.

    The workers should get their care regardless. There should be no need for emotional scenes in the Congress.

    Even if the worthless specimens in the Congress and White House gave zero, NYC / NYS should take care of those people anyway. They have untold billions for things of little or no value, this health care should be at the top of the list.

  17. I think the argument for NYC and NYS is that their budgets, while quite large, are comparatively small compared to the federal government. And as Jon Stewart rightly pointed out Al Qaeda didn’t attack New York, they attacked America.

    NYS healthcare spending is $19.6bn. The federal government’s healthcare spending is $1.1tn.

    Finding $1.5bn in a budget of $19.6bn is a challenge. Finding it in a $1.1tn budget ultimately isn’t.

    I get your point, and agree with it, that these people should get their care regardless of who picks up the cheque in the end. But I also understand why it a) should be the federal government’s responsibility and not New York’s to do it and b) why it would be easier for the federal government and not New York to do it.

  18. NYC has a budget of $92 billion.

    NYS has a budget of $175 billion.

    That’s how you look at this.

    Yet they’ve framed it so that if the Feds don’t pay, there will no care.

    Despite the vast resources that they have, the vast spending, the vast waste.

  19. Phantom, on June 12th, 2019 at 7:07 PM Said:

    NYC has a budget of $92 billion.

    NYS has a budget of $175 billion.

    That’s how you look at this.

    Yet they’ve framed it so that if the Feds don’t pay, there will no care.

    If California can provide infinity health care for illegals – FOR ILLEGALS – then NYC/NYS can fund health-care for their own

  20. We waste Billions of dollars every year studying the mating habit of horse flies…..

    The Police and Fire pension and healthcare services re already paying Phantom. The added burden of the conditions caused by 9/11 will bankrupt those plans. They would be broke now if not for this fund.

    These people chose to dedicate their lives which they often lay down in the line of duty for the rest of us.

    This is an example of how the government handles healthcare for both our first responder’s and our soldiers….. screw those people let them die…..

  21. Pat, check your mail please.

  22. certainly

  23. Paul I’m not on my computer at the moment so it probably won’t get posted till the AM your side of the pond……

  24. No problem. As always many thanks Pat.

  25. I have great respect for Jon Stewart, a man of great heart and principle.

    He threw righteous thunderbolts here.

  26. https://www.fireengineering.com/articles/print/volume-155/issue-1/departments/editors-opinion/elling-out-the-investigation.html

    Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the Happyland Social Club Fire? Did they cast aside the pressure-regulating valves at the Meridian Plaza Fire? Of course not. But essentially, that’s what they’re doing at the World Trade Center.
    For more than three months, structural steel from the World Trade Center has been and continues to be cut up and sold for scrap. Crucial evidence that could answer many questions about high-rise building design practices and performance under fire conditions is on the slow boat to China, perhaps never to be seen again in America until you buy your next car.
    Such destruction of evidence shows the astounding ignorance of government officials to the value of a thorough, scientific investigation of the largest fire-induced collapse in world history. I have combed through our national standard for fire investigation, NFPA 921, but nowhere in it does one find an exemption allowing the destruction of evidence for buildings over 10 stories tall.
    – “Selling out the Investigation,” Bill Manning, editor, Fire Engineering, Jan. 1, 2002

    http://bollyn.com/#article_16236

    But was it really “astounding ignorance” that was obstructing “a thorough, scientific investigation of the largest fire-induced collapse in world history” – or was it something even worse? Was the obstruction of an investigation planned and intentional – because an investigation would have revealed that it was explosive demolitions and not fire-induced collapses that destroyed the World Trade Center?

    What is even more peculiar is that the companies that were contracted on Day One to remove the rubble of the three demolished towers were all foreign owned. This raises several questions: Why was the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers not called in the first place to manage the World Trade Center and Pentagon sites? Why were foreign companies allowed to destroy the evidence from the crime scenes in which thousands of people had been killed? Who made the decision to hire these companies?

  27. https://gothamist.com/2019/06/13/jon_stewart_firefighter_coat.php

  28. that was nice