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Tic Tic Tic

By Patrick Van Roy On June 13th, 2019

116 Responses to “Tic Tic Tic”

  1. The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution authorized President Lyndon Johnson to “take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression” by the communist government of North Vietnam. It was passed on August 7, 1964, by the U.S. Congress after an alleged attack on two U.S. naval destroyers stationed off the coast of Vietnam. The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution effectively launched America’s full-scale involvement in the Vietnam War.

    history.com

  2. //”It is the assessment of the U.S. government that Iran is responsible for today’s attacks in the Gulf of Oman….”//

    Patrick, you believe that just because Pompeo says it. And Pompeo says it probably just because Israel wants him to say it.

  3. Let’s face it. He’s hardly blame Mossad would he?

  4. He’d

  5. Patrick is getting excited. There will be no stopping him if his war with Iran dreams come true. He will become deliriously unbearable 😉

  6. I would not necessarily believe the US here, not under this president, who is seeking conflict.

    There are a lot of potential bad actors here, including Israelis and Houthis.

  7. Looks like America’s goosestepping has started in earnest.

  8. Does Bolton have an alibi?

    Does Bibi?

  9. Phantom claims it’s a false flag while Noel fingers the Jews.

    ATW has suddenly become where Alex Jones meets the Labour Party.

  10. I haven’t claimed that it was a false flag. You Trumpers need to take a logic course.

    I say rule nothing in, rule nothing out, and that noone should take any comments from this most corrupt and dishonest of administrations at face value.

    Verify, then trust.

  11. Phantom you’re a disgrace.

  12. Colm, on June 13th, 2019 at 8:38 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Patrick is getting excited. There will be no stopping him if his war with Iran dreams come true. He will become deliriously unbearable 😉

    Happy days are here again……. 🙂

  13. The White House should give the intelligence information to the Gang of Eight. If the evidence is clear that it is Iran then there would be a clear, bipartisan support for such a declaration.

  14. This president has lied constantly on matters large and small since the day that he snuck in.

    Why would anyone take anything he say at face value here?

    How naive can you be?

  15. Verify, then trust.

    The US has a minimum of 6 subs in the region I’d be surprised if the Russians and the Brits don’t have subs in the area.

    Do you know what a Torpedo sounds like to a sub?

    Every major powers subs have sonar systems that can track the high pitched squeal of a torpedo propeller from the second it was launched to the second it hit.

    If this was anything other than a Torpedo they would all be screaming.

    Phantom your very first comment was the gulf of tonkin…. you accused your country of sinking a ship and crippling another.

    You can try to spin it anyway you want. You’re a disgrace.

  16. Caution is warranted. I remember believing Colin Powell, a man above reproach, and his weapons of mass destruction claim. But a little vial of white powder is one thing, and burning tankers in the Strait quite another.

  17. The dictatorial governments of the UAE and Saudi Arabia might be logical suspects here.

    Along with the other rogues mentioned.

    Cui bono?

  18. Charles

    I spent 90 days sai;omg in those waters, courtesy of the USN.

    At the Strait of Hormuz, its a fairly narrow place.

  19. The majority of people on this site sit in countries that wouldn’t exist if the US wasn’t there to defend you, yet there are two actors.

    The US and Iran…. one has saved you twice and one threatens to nuke you, but you accuse the one who has acted in your defense as the evil agent.

    We ought to let the Russians and Islamic’s kill you all…..

  20. Iran wants to nuke Ireland?

    Who knew?

  21. “We ought to let the Russians and Islamic’s kill you all…..”

    And yet he gurns at the mere suggestion of a European Army.

  22. hey Charles good to see you, hope you are feeling well.

  23. And when did America save Ireland, never mind twice?

  24. When did the US save Spain?

  25. Thanks Patrick. I feel like that tanker looks lol…

  26. I told you Seamus form your Army…. we can then bring all our troops and equipment home.

    We’ll eat popcorn as we watch it last as long as the French did when Germany marched in…..

  27. “We’ll eat popcorn as we watch it last as long as the French did when Germany marched in…..”

    I’m sure you would. You and your President are Putin’s little bitches aren’t you?

  28. Remember the story in the first Gulf War that the Iraqis were throwing babies out of incubators? I won’t be fooled again.

    That being said, I agree with Patrick that the Mullahs will go off quicker than a prawn sandwich. I trust my government, but want verification.

  29. Seamus, on June 13th, 2019 at 9:25 PM Said: Edit Comment
    And when did America save Ireland, never mind twice?

    Phantom, on June 13th, 2019 at 9:26 PM Said: Edit Comment
    When did the US save Spain?

    The US defeated Germany, Japan and held the Russians back for 50years

    The Irish were to scared to fight in wwii, but if England was nuked you’ll die too so by protecting them we protected you.

    Spain was on the side of Germany.

  30. Seamus, on June 13th, 2019 at 9:28 PM Said: Edit Comment
    “We’ll eat popcorn as we watch it last as long as the French did when Germany marched in…..”

    I’m sure you would. You and your President are Putin’s little bitches aren’t you?

    Sure Seamus cause Trump “Colluded” with the Russians….. lmao

  31. “The US defeated Germany, Japan and held the Russians back for 50years

    The Irish were to scared to fight in wwii, but if England was nuked you’ll die too so by protecting them we protected you.

    Spain was on the side of Germany.”

    There are so many of those things that are actually factually incorrect that it is astounding. How pathetic is the US education system if that is your “knowledge” of history.

    But again considering that Ireland was not involved in World War II how did America save us once never mind twice?

  32. “Sure Seamus cause Trump “Colluded” with the Russians….. lmao”

    You both do seem to support the Putin side of arguments.

  33. Seamus, this is not my fight but it occurs to me that we saved you from Britain when Churchill wanted to occupy your southern coasts with airbases to protect the shipping lanes! 🙂

  34. Why would Ireland enter a war on behalf of a country that occupied some of it’s territory?

    Who does that?

    Would doing so make them brave in some way?

  35. Was Ireland neutral?

    Did Spain Fight against the Russians on the eastern front…..

    Yes both questions.

    Cowards and Axis

  36. You’re the best.

    You should do a history show on Fox News.

  37. You both do seem to support the Putin side of arguments.

    and you support the Islamist’s in Iran and Gaza….. so I guess you’re theirs.

  38. Or a history show on Infowars

  39. “Seamus, this is not my fight but it occurs to me that we saved you from Britain when Churchill wanted to occupy your southern coasts with airbases to protect the shipping lanes! 🙂”

    Churchill had already lost that fight before. And would again 🙂 . And to be fair Churchill had largely dropped the claim (as it was actually strategically beneficial to ship goods via Iceland than the more southern routes. As such the convoys could be protected from the North). Any military occupation of the south of Ireland would have been heavily resisted by the local population (lowering the impact of the treaty ports). It would have cost them more than not doing it.

    “Cowards and Axis”

    I take it all Americans were cowards until 7th December 1941?

    “Did Spain Fight against the Russians on the eastern front…..”

    No. Spanish volunteers, in División Azul, fought the Russians on the Eastern Front. If a neutral country having volunteers in the war makes one part of the war then Ireland actually did fight on the side of the Allies.

  40. “and you support the Islamist’s in Iran and Gaza….. so I guess you’re theirs.”

    I don’t actually. I oppose Iran and am no fan of Hamas. I understand why they do what they do and don’t pretend that they are the source of all evil in the world. It would seem that nuance is mistaken for support. No surprise coming from the most un-nuanced source. Hannity and Rush don’t do nuance so we probably can’t expect their parrots to do it.

  41. Charles’ level head and voice of reason should be heeded here. There are many unsavoury characters lurking around this strategic stretch of water.

    IF this should escalate into something bigger I sincerely hope that unlike Afghanistan and Iraq European nations refuse assistance. This will be long, bloody, vicious and hugely destructive. Let American hawks sacrifice their own nation’s children in their remote control wars.

  42. America did not enter WW2 out of pure principle of any kind.

    It entered that war because Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and because the idiot Shicklegruber then declared war on the US.

    Roosevelt struggled against a strong isolationist movement until everything changed in Hawaii.

  43. 5000 Irish volunteers died in WW2.

    No bone spurs for them.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/in-service-to-their-country-moving-tales-of-irishmen-who-fought-in-wwii-350818.html

  44. Thank you Paul. I hope it doesn’t come to war, as the US would have very little to gain, and Europe would have a lot to lose.

  45. “This has been the honor of a lifetime — the opportunity of a lifetime,” Sanders said after the announcement of her departure.

  46. It could be a 50 or 100 years war.

    All countries would lose.

  47. //If a neutral country having volunteers in the war makes one part of the war then Ireland actually did fight on the side of the Allies.//

    Good one.
    Actually significantly more Irishmen from officially neutral southern Ireland fought in WW2 than men from officially at war Northern Ireland (I think it was around 80,000 compared to 50,000, but am not sure of the true figures).

  48. There are plenty of good Irishmen, the country however was one of two things… rooting for Germany or Cowards watching London being bombed.

  49. Phantom, on June 13th, 2019 at 10:10 PM Said: Edit Comment
    It could be a 50 or 100 years war.

    All countries would lose.

    It could be a 5 minute war and All countries would lose.

  50. I have an appropriate song for the mad mullahs……

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTs6a0ORdQU

  51. The country however was one of two things… rooting for Germany or Cowards watching London being bombed.

    I’ll take it from 39-41 the US were just the latter then Pat?

  52. What is truly sad is that I don’t fully trust my own SecState on this. I think that there should be an international investigation before reaching this conclusion given the potential consequences.

    It could be Iran, but why would they attack Japanese cargo ships on the day when PM Abe was in town meeting with their president to cut business deals?

  53. There are plenty of good Irishmen, the country however was one of two things… rooting for Germany or Cowards watching London being bombed.

    Wrong yet again.

    There was plenty of low key cooperation between Ireland and the allies.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-13065528

    On the night of Easter Tuesday, 1941, around 180 German planes dropped 200 tonnes of high explosives on Belfast, and fires from 29,000 incendiary bombs ravaged the city.

    Almost 1,000 people were killed and 100,000 left homeless in the attack.

    With their already insufficient resources stretched to breaking point, the Northern Irish government sent a formal request for assistance to Dublin on the morning of Wednesday 16 April 1941.

    …within two hours of receiving the request, at least 70 men and 13 fire engines were on their way north from Dundalk, Drogheda, Dublin and Dun Laoghaire. Each man was a volunteer.

    In a highly significant gesture of cross-border cooperation, traditional hostilities, and even Ireland’s cherished neutrality, were put on hold in the face of a humanitarian tragedy.

    This was not the first time the Irish Republic adopted a stance of what historians have termed “benevolent neutrality” towards the UK.

    The controversial Donegal Air Corridor, which allowed Allied planes access to the Atlantic Ocean from their base in County Fermanagh, was negotiated earlier the same year.

    It was however a unique and poignant example of north-south partnership. It was the first time, albeit briefly, that Ireland became actively involved in the Allied war effort.

  54. It is kind of comforting that Patrick’s knowledge of history is as limited as his knowledge of current affairs.

  55. A side note on Sarah Sanders….

    Sarah Sanders should leave the White House confident that she left no lie untold, no bond of trust unbroken, no American value untwisted, no obligation to the people not subordinated to her loyalty to her boss, no hypocrisy unexplored. As a failure, she was complete.

  56. Troll is not smart or well-informed, that’s just a common knowledge fact in this neck of the woods.

  57. WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—The embattled Presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway will leave her post at the White House, effective immediately, and begin a new job at the Kremlin on Friday, the White House and the Kremlin have confirmed.

    Conway, who has served as a counsellor to President Donald Trump, will serve as a counsellor to President Vladimir Putin.

    The White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, announced the news in sombre fashion. “Everyone here is happy for Kellyanne, but our nation has lost a great liar,” she said.

    Conway told reporters that she was excited to work in “a country that doesn’t have dumb old laws like the Hatch Act.”

    “As a federal employee, there were so many restrictions on getting involved in American elections, but at the Kremlin that’ll be my main job,” she said.

  58. Finally, after requests for evidence that Iran attacked ships in the Strait of Hormuz, the evidence is released by the State Department. As with women flying rickety planes with hand-made bombs against the single strongest army in the world, one should retain all faculties of examination as to whether the SD’s evidence makes sense……

    https://i.ibb.co/k66XfJT/1238-F884-B94-E-4-DD1-85-C0-F534-E6-C6-FBA7.jpg

    Needless to say, for many, this is conclusive

  59. Donald

    No one is claiming that those planes caused great devastation to your Nazi army

  60. Daphne, on June 13th, 2019 at 11:06 PM Said: Edit Comment
    A side note on Sarah Sanders….

    Sarah Sanders should leave the White House confident that she left no lie untold, no bond of trust unbroken, no American value untwisted, no obligation to the people not subordinated to her loyalty to her boss, no hypocrisy unexplored. As a failure, she was complete.
    Daphne, on June 13th, 2019 at 11:09 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Troll is not smart or well-informed, that’s just a common knowledge fact in this neck of the woods.

    and the cow moo’s

  61. Sarah Sanders should leave the White House confident that she left no lie untold, no bond of trust unbroken, no American value untwisted, no obligation to the people not subordinated to her loyalty to her boss, no hypocrisy unexplored. As a failure, she was complete.

    Yes Daphne, absolutely. A shameless liar working for a shameless liar.

  62. and the sheep follow the cow

  63. sorry Peter you are not a sheep….

  64. Her father used to be a decent person

  65. never liked her old man, and the shit he pulled in 08 was the last straw.

  66. Who?

  67. I’ve removed the Merkal post since no one had anything worthwhile to say.

    At this point in time I will only post the topics I’m interested in, you can get your variety Noel from Pete, your transit posts from Phantom and ab occasional decent one from Mahons and Paul.

  68. Senator Mike Huckabee is her father Peter

  69. We look forward to the next ten cut and paste specials from El Rushbo, the. Wallbanger and the Great One

    They are all wonderful

  70. Thanks Patrick, I should have twigged the name.

    Sarah has been a shameless liar and she has treated the White House press corps and the TV audience with total contempt, no?

  71. No.

  72. The Liar in Chief ditches his sub Liar. He will appoint another Liar asap:

    “With the release of the Mueller Report in April 2019, it was shown that Sanders had admitted to investigators that she had made false statements to the public as press secretary. On June 13, 2019, President Trump tweeted that Sanders would be leaving her role as press secretary for his administration on June 30.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Sanders#Mueller_report_findings

  73. sorry still no….

  74. Remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident. I’ll say no more.

  75. “I’ve removed the Merkal post since no one had anything worthwhile to say”

    Mostly you had nothing worthwhile to say. You bitched and moaned about Europe wanting an army. You then bitched and moaned about Europe not having an army. The contradiction was pointed out to you and you complained about that as well. You then deleted the thread.

  76. Seamus threads go in different directions all the time…. that’s life.

    There are many post that I put up that I have nothing to say about that are put up because they are current news. If you’d take notice like that post and many others either I never comment on them or I wait to get involved in the conversation after others make it interesting.

    I took it down because after a request for more eurocentric posts I put one up and got slammed for it. Phantoms bullshit was the last straw so I took it down.

  77. Some don’t read their own links in their haste to respond to something

    You didn’t read your own post, weren’t making any point, other than some anti EU prejudice, were confused when people started talking about it.

  78. screw you Phantom.

  79. Sarah Sanders has told so many lies she might actually be staying….

    Or she might post right wing posts here, her false tales would no make her conspicuous.

  80. Sarah Sanders father again is Mike Huckabee, former governor of Arkansas.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Huckabee

    Last night, on Fox News, spin-doctor Laura Ingraham was talking about Trump’s recent interview with George Stephanopoulos, in which Trump said that he’d happily take opposition campaign intel from foreigners. She brought in Huckabee to talk about it, for some reason.

    Huckabee tried to insinuate that Trump didn’t say what Trump had just said, and then referred to GS as George ” Step On All Of Us “, with a cat that ate the canary smile.

    This is what passes for witty comment in these circles.

  81. “There are many post that I put up that I have nothing to say about that are put up because they are current news.”

    If you post something (a video, an image etc…) without commentary it is a safe assumption that you agree with the sentiments of the post.

  82. The post was some yob’s commentary, not news.

    The notion of an EU army had been discussed here a zillion times before.

  83. On the plus side I see trickle down economics / reaganomics / bushanomics / turnipanomics is once again failing spectacularly now it’s just too wait for the crash

  84. The economy is booming, anybody who wants a job can get a good one…. god bless trickle down economics.

  85. If you post something (a video, an image etc…) without commentary it is a safe assumption that you agree with the sentiments of the post.

    When you assume you make an ass out of u and me ass u me.

  86. Pat, more important than the quantity of jobs is the quality of them. Anyone can get a job flipping burgers, washing dishes or waiting in a restaurant.

  87. Phantom, on June 14th, 2019 at 1:38 PM Said: Edit Comment
    The post was some yob’s commentary, not news.

    The notion of an EU army had been discussed here a zillion times before.

    Number 1 we are not a breaking news site, we are a political blog.

    Number 2 It was not about America as requested.

    Number 3 It was a subject that had generated good conversation in the past.

    Number 4 The only yob is you Phantom except you are not a yob you’re a total asshole. You are very quick to criticize and ridicule others while you very rarely do any posts. When you do they are almost never about politics. On threads you never debate an issue you spit out what you think or feel and then don’t defend it, and last night we found out why. You really can’t debate. You glaringly showed that. A debate is a back and forth of different positions based on facts…. like any typical liberal you showed you can not differentiate between what are your emotions/feelings and facts.

  88. Paul McMahon, on June 14th, 2019 at 2:25 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Pat, more important than the quantity of jobs is the quality of them. Anyone can get a job flipping burgers, washing dishes or waiting in a restaurant.

    Burger Flipping jobs were the only ones that Obama made, no matter your field or level of skill and education in your field the jobs are here. Tech jobs, executive jobs, etc etc everybody is hiring for everything.

  89. Burger Flipping jobs were the only ones that Obama made

    I’ll take that at face value having no knowledge on the subject.

    IF ‘ everybody is hiring for everything’ (which I’ll take at face value too) then that’s good however low paid service jobs are useless to a working man with a family / young family etc.

    The notion of an EU army had been discussed here a zillion times before.

    I don’t think there’ll ever be a EU Army as it needs unanimity within the EC however, were there to be a common European national defence force comprised of professional volunteer soldiers from each Euro nation I wouldn’t necessarily be against it.

  90. Why couldn’t there be an EU army where countries could opt out, just as the UK opted out of the Euro?

  91. I wasn’t thinking about countries opting in or out Phantom but more a centralised European Army comprising of volunteer individuals from any Euro member who wished to join.

  92. Would say the French and German armies etc be incorporated into this army? If they wouldn’t be the idea really makes no sense at all.

    It wouldn’t necessarily be volunteers, since a military draft still exists in Austria, Cyprus, Estonia, Finland, Greece and Norway.

  93. I’m not asking about what anyone here wants.

    I’m asking what the decision makers are thinking about.

  94. There are much more EU member states which don’t have obligatory military service than those who do. This is a hypothetical conversation as no EU military exists (and IMO won’t) therefore I’m giving my hypothetical opinion as to why I wouldn’t necessarily dismiss the idea out of hand.

    I don’t knwow what the decision makers are thinking about.

  95. you two should have had this conversation on the Merkel thread, but you were to busy being a dick Phantom.

    Go talk about it on your fire thread.

  96. I would have gladly had this convo on that thread Pat only it rapidly turned UScentric.

  97. that’s when you grab it and steer it back Paul.

    You were reasonable on the thread, it was Seamus and Phantom that had issues. To be honest I grow very tired of his nonstop complaining.

    I have good conversations with just about everyone on here, you and Seamus have honestly turned into conversation I really enjoy. We discuss things. Sure it gets bitchy at times but we actually talk.

    The only person that still continues to be a prick is Phantom, at least it’s mostly only with me.

    My temper got the better of me yesterday.

  98. //Would say the French and German armies etc be incorporated into this army?//

    I’d say the French and Germans are going to get their act together militarily one way or the other, either as part of a larger EU defence force or just the two of them, with possibly the Benelux and one or two other countries. They’ve alraedy formed a joint brigade, which is in turn under the command of the Eurocorps, and more is planned. The Eurocorps is open to every state, but it’s probably best if it remains as a core organisation with just a few states.

    France needs German technology and money and Germany needs the figleaf of an intenational organisation to avoid having the black Balkenkreuz appearing in places with memories of its last appearance.

  99. I was being reasonable as well. It is perfectly reasonable to ask questions based on the post. The post was anti-EU army. You posted it. It is thus reasonable to assume (your pithy assume comment aside) that you are anti-EU army. You then made pro-EU army comments later in the thread. So it is perfectly reasonable to ask about the contradiction.

  100. Noel has this been lifted?

    Military Restrictions. The German police was restricted to its pre-war state and paramilitary organizations forbidden. The military could not include armored divisions (tanks) or an air force. The navy was restricted to six outdated battleships, six light cruisers, twelve destroyers, twelve torpedo boats, and no submarines.

  101. Seamus……

    Phantom pissed me off not you.

  102. “Noel has this been lifted?”

    Germany repudiated the Versailles treaty in the 1930s. It no longer has force and effect in Germany.

  103. those were the restrictions after WWII not I

  104. nope sorry I’m wrong

  105. I’m trying to find what restrictions were placed at the end of WWII I’m sure that had to be some.

  106. There largely weren’t any as Germany was occupied by the four main Allied powers after the end of World War II. And as such had no army to be restricted.

    There were some restrictions put in place (though largely unenforceable now I guess) at German reunification (the Two Plus Four Agreement).

  107. thanks Seamus

  108. Pat the economy is growing but its not booming, the only thing booming is the deficit which I am sure you will some how blame on the democrats

    If there is an EU army what need is there for NATO? So more amurican hegemony disappears. Turnip really will be the emperor who fiddled while Washington burned

  109. Why EP ?

    Ending NATO would save the U.S. Billions…… Please form the EU Army, Navy, and Airforce.

    We will sell them all the Arms they need and we will bring our troops home and put them on the southern border.

  110. No pat it won’t save you a dime because that would involve diminution of the military industrial complex and your head would explode

    Europe would most likely build their own arms

    And the next president to throw a hissy fit would be left to suck his thumb in a corner

  111. We will sell them all the Arms they need […]
    Europe would most likely build their own arms

    Just off the top of my head:

    Glock, Steyr, FN, Daher, Beretta, Heckler & Koch, Mauser, Tuarus,

    Dream on Pat.

  112. Taurus is Brazilian

  113. Glock, Steyr, FN, Daher, Beretta, Heckler & Koch, Mauser, Taurus

  114. Good buy all the weapons you want from every other nation….. lmao

    Like I said we’ll be laughing eating popcorn as the EU military lasts as long as the French did in WWII.

  115. Pat, it’ll be Euro nations that supply any proposed Euro Army with armaments.

    The EU military lasts as long as the French did in WWII.

    How long did the Germans last in WWII?

  116. One of my favorites Czeska Zbrovka they make excellent guns