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RICO

By Patrick Van Roy On June 16th, 2019

The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, commonly referred to as the RICO Act or simply RICO, is a United States federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. The RICO Act focuses specifically on racketeering and allows the leaders of a syndicate to be tried for the crimes they ordered others to do or assisted them in doing, closing a perceived loophole that allowed a person who instructed someone else to, for example, murder, to be exempt from the trial because they did not actually commit the crime personally.

RICO predicate offenses

Under the law, the meaning of racketeering activity is set out at 18 U.S.C. § 1961. As currently amended it includes:

Any violation of state statutes against gambling, murder, kidnapping, extortion, arson, robbery, bribery, dealing in obscene matter, or dealing in a controlled substance or listed chemical (as defined in the Controlled Substances Act);
Any act of bribery, counterfeiting, theft, embezzlement, fraud, dealing in obscene matter, obstruction of justice, slavery, racketeering, gambling, money laundering, commission of murder-for-hire, and many other offenses covered under the Federal criminal code (Title 18);
Embezzlement of union funds;
Bankruptcy fraud or securities fraud;
Drug trafficking; long-term and elaborate drug networks can also be prosecuted using the Continuing Criminal Enterprise Statute;
Criminal copyright infringement;
Money laundering and related offenses;
Bringing in, aiding or assisting aliens in illegally entering the country (if the action was for financial gain);
Acts of terrorism.

Fraud: In law, fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain

The above is to give you a basic view of what the RICO ACT is and how it applies to Hillary Clinton, The Steele Dossier, Obama’s Justice Department, and why it should be used in the investigations that are currently being conducted by Attorney General Barr.

The beauty of RICO is that if you bring the case under RICO if you can charge one person in the group with a Felony you can charge them all with a Felony.  They Felony in this case is Treason. Conspiring to falsify evidence and remove a President from office is Treason.

We have two points that make this a RICO case. The Fraud of “Collusion” combined with the laundering of money.

McCabe was on the news this week and affirmed that money was laundered.

“For a campaign to hire a law firm, an American law firm who then turns around and hires an American research company that then contracts out with a foreign individual, that is not illegal,” McCabe emphasized.

That sounds all peachy doesn’t it? Except here it’s money laundering to give Hillary and the DNC deniability.  Now lets put things in Context.

Comey, Yates, McCabe, and Rosenstein can be charged with Treason.  They falsified evidence before the FISA Court to prevent Trump from becoming then to remove him from office via false accusations. That’s the Fraud, and McCabe admission above is the money laundering when put into the proper context.

Before I spell out the context I would like you to watch the following one minute exchange between Senator Graham and AG Barr.

In the above clip the AG is asked about the Hillary email investigation and the unprofessional manner it was conducted. That means Barr has tied the two cases together because they are both part of the same conspiracy.

What we had occur was a conspiracy to ensure that Hillary Clinton would be President after Barack Obama. The first part of the conspiracy was to clear Hillary of the Felony’s she committed with her email.  The players involved in that were the same players that then tried to frame Donald Trump.

Besides Hillary Clinton the one player that ties everything together is Christopher Steele the former MI6 head of the Russia Desk.  After Steele retired from MI6 he opened up a private intelligence firm aiding the American State Dept and the FBI with the connections and contacts he made during his years of running the Russia Desk.

In March 2009, Steele with his fellow MI6-retiree Chris Burrows co-founded the private intelligence agency Orbis Business Intelligence, Ltd., based in Grosvenor Square Gardens. Between 2014 and 2016, Steele created over 100 reports on Russian and Ukrainian issues, which were read within the United States Department of State, and he was viewed as credible by the United States intelligence community. The business was commercially successful, grossing approximately $20,000,000 in the first nine years of operation.

Steele ran an investigation dubbed “Project Charlemagne”, which noted Russian interference in the domestic politics of France, Italy, Germany, Turkey, and the United Kingdom. Steele concluded in April 2016 that Russia was engaged in an information warfare campaign with the goal of destroying the European Union.  In the spring of 2016, Orbis Business Intelligence—a small investigative-research firm that Steele and a partner had founded, in 2009, after leaving M.I.6, Britain’s Secret Intelligence Service—had agreed to do opposition research on Trump’s murky relationship with Russia. Under the arrangement, Orbis was a subcontractor working for Fusion GPS, a private research firm in Washington. Fusion, in turn, had been contracted by a law firm, Perkins Coie, which represented both Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee.

Now we put it into context.

Hillary Clinton committed Espionage by setting up a Private Communications Network to hide her criminal activity from government oversight. This information was revealed during the investigation into Benghazi which triggered the Espionage investigation.

This created a problem for Obama. If Hillary did not become President all of Obama’s work on transferring our system into his dream would be undone by a Republican President. From testimony given by Peter Strzok and Lisa Page we know that Loretta Lynch was running the cover up of Hillary’s crimes.

Now at the same time the circus that was the Republican Primary was going on providing more than enough noise in the Press to distract the entire nation. It was the show of shows, we had a carny barker wiping the floor with the Bush dynasty and every other career Republican in the race.  The primary in the end came down to what the Democrats thought were the two dream candidates to run against Donald Trump or Ted Cruz.

Nobody believed Ted Cruz would ever win the nomination let alone the Presidency the only reason it came down to him and Trump was because he was the last one Trump chose to chew on, plain and simple. This created a wild card. Hillary would be going up against Trump. The political establishment couldn’t believe that Trump would ever get elected, but he just cut through the best of GOP.

Every candidate does opposition research. It’s step one in every campaign. You beat your opponent by exploiting their flaws.  The juicier the flaw the better the effect.  You find out what those flaws are by hiring people to investigate and build a file on them.

To use the words of Peter Stroke “We have an insurance policy” the Christopher Steele Dossier.

Here is where the strings all pull together. Steele was contracted by Fusion GPS, his boss at Fusion the person who contracted his services was Nellie Ohr.  Mrs. Ohr is the wife of Bruce Ohr Senior DOJ Official.

The then-senior Department of Justice (DOJ) official briefed both senior FBI and DOJ officials in summer 2016 about Christopher Steele’s Russia dossier, explicitly cautioning that the British intelligence operative’s work was opposition research connected to Hillary Clinton’s campaign and might be biased.

Ohr’s briefings, in July and August 2016, included the deputy director of the FBI, a top lawyer for then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch and a Justice official who later would become the top deputy to special counsel Robert Mueller.

Ohr’s warning went unheeded. At this point in time the DOJ opened a counter espionage investigation into Donald Trump. They pulled assets from the FBI/CIA/NSA and set a trap for George Papadopoulos.

Court documents show Papadopoulos met in April 2016 with Joseph Mifsud , a professor in London who told him Russia had a cache of Clinton-related emails; the New York Times reported Papadopoulos was drunk when he relayed that to Alexander Downer, Australia’s High Commissioner to the United Kingdom; and according to the Sydney Morning Herald, Australian Ambassador to the U.S. Joe Hockey walked the FBI through it all.

That is the version of events created by the FBI/CIA/NSA, which the FBI then used along with the fraudulent Steele Dossier to go before the FISA Court and get permission to Spy on an American Campaign for President. The top agents of United States Law Enforcement were now involved in a Criminal Conspiracy to first prevent Donald Trump from becoming President, that evolved into Treason to remove a sitting President.

Right now Attorney General Barr is coordinating the investigations into the criminal conspiracy.

The Justice Department’s investigation of the investigators involved in the Trump-Russia probe will look at actions both by the U.S. government and by foreigners.  The DOJ said the wide-ranging inquiry led by Attorney General William Barr, along with his right-hand man U.S. Attorney John Durham, would seek to “illuminate open questions regarding the activities of U.S. and foreign intelligence services as well as non-governmental organizations and individuals.”  And the DOJ made it clear that they weren’t just looking to see if policies were violated — they’ll be looking at whether any laws were broken, too.

This is why this case should be prosecuted under the RICO ACT.  Treason was committed by the DOJ officials that lied to the FISA Court and RICO applies because the money to pay for the Dossier was laundered through Perkins Coie and it was then used to commit fraud on the FISA Court.

Charge everyone with Treason and lets watch who sings the loudest.

Whatever way AG Barr brings his charges over the next year we are going to be witness to the worst scandal in American History.

97 Responses to “RICO”

  1. “Comey, Yates, McCabe, and Rosenstein can be charged with Treason. They falsified evidence before the FISA Court to prevent Trump from becoming then to remove him from office via false accusations. That’s the Fraud, and McCabe admission above is the money laundering when put into the proper context.”

    What did they falsify?

  2. Evidence they Presented to the FISA Court.

  3. What false evidence did they present to the FISA Court?

  4. The US is becoming a desperate, lawless place……

    https://dcdirtylaundry.com/murdered-gop-senator-alleged-to-have-been-investigating-child-trafficking-in-arkansas-government/

    Two former GOP senators were shot dead in Arkansas within two days of each other, and it seems to be very convenient for a) child-traffickers and b) those who stole $27 million from state services

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7115913/Former-Oklahoma-state-dead-inside-house-just-one-day-Arkansas-GOP-senator.html

    Former Oklahoma state senator is found dead inside his house just one day after another former GOP senator was shot dead at her Arkansas home

    Collins-Smith was married to former Circuit Court Judge Philip Smith. The couple divorced in 2018. She was reportedly working with the Department of Homeland Security to expose a missing $27million from DHS/Child Protective Services in her state.

    At least Arkansas has a strong reputation for fighting corruption and injustice…the Clintons wouldn’t have it any other way

  5. The Steele Dossier and the story about Papadopoulos

  6. “The Steele Dossier and the story about Papadopoulos”

    What was false about the Steele Dossier? And what false story about George Papadopoulos? Be specific. You are making allegations of criminal behaviour after all.

  7. Well Seamus everything about the Dossier was false even according to the NYT it was all Russian disinformation. What makes it worse is all evidence put forth before the FISA Court is submitted with the statement given under oath that all evidence presented has been verified as fact.

    Ohr briefed everyone of the four that signed that statement that the information not only wasn’t verified, but couldn’t be verified. They falsified evidence, and lied under oath.

    Papadopoulos was set up by two spies on the cia payroll one of which donated $20,000 to Hillary.

  8. “Well Seamus everything about the Dossier was false even according to the NYT it was all Russian disinformation. What makes it worse is all evidence put forth before the FISA Court is submitted with the statement given under oath that all evidence presented has been verified as fact.”

    Is there any evidence that it is false?

    Also everything in a FISA application doesn’t have to be verified as fact. The requirement to do so would be pointless. If you could verify it all as fact it would mean you wouldn’t need a FISA application as you could move straight to arrests.

    What the verification in FISA requires is that the FBI confirm that all the information they supply is verified. In the case of Steele it is not the dossier that needs verification. It is Steele’s relationship with the FBI.

    The FBI supplied the Steele dossier to the Judge. It states that “Source #1’s [Christopher Steele] reporting has been corroborated and used in criminal proceedings and the FBI assesses Source #1 to be reliable”. This does not mean that the FBI had verified his dossier. It means that in the past Christopher Steele had worked with the FBI in criminal proceedings before, his findings in those cases had been verified, and as such they found him to be a credible source. That is the information they supplied to the Judge. That is the information that had to be verified. So it doesn’t matter what is in the Steele dossier, in terms of the FISA application. What matters is was Steele a previous credible source for the FBI? Yes. And because so the information they supplied to the Judge was true. There was no lying. There was no fraud.

    “Papadopoulos was set up by two spies on the cia payroll one of which donated $20,000 to Hillary.”

    Any evidence of that?

  9. no….

    Also everything in a FISA application doesn’t have to be verified as fact. The requirement to do so would be pointless. If you could verify it all as fact it would mean you wouldn’t need a FISA application as you could move straight to arrests.

    The FISA Court was created with the patriot act. It was created to protect american citizens from the surveillance tools being used against them exactly how the Obama administration used them. To use those tools against an American citizen they have to testify under oath that the evidence being presented is factually accurate.

    Ohr told everyone of them none of it was.

    What the verification in FISA requires is that the FBI confirm that all the information they supply is verified. In the case of Steele it is not the dossier that needs verification. It is Steele’s relationship with the FBI.

    Steele had been fired by the FBI months before because he lost his security clearances for leaking classified information, so even if you were right on the first part which you are not Steele is not a credible witness.

  10. George Papadopoulos was a Trump campaign unknown who was indicted by the Mueller team and who later pled guilty to lying to the FBI. Now we know he was set up by a CIA/FBI spy and this set up was then used to indict him.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/09/the-truth-comes-out-trump-campaign-worker-papadopoulos-was-set-up-by-deep-state-and-then-mueller-used-it-to-indict-him/

  11. “The FISA Court was created with the patriot act. It was created to protect american citizens from the surveillance tools being used against them exactly how the Obama administration used them. To use those tools against an American citizen they have to testify under oath that the evidence being presented is factually accurate.

    Ohr told everyone of them none of it was.”

    No he didn’t. The evidence presented to the FISA court was accurate. Steele had worked with the FBI before and had been shown to be accurate. That was all that the FBI had to verify.

    “Steele had been fired by the FBI months before because he lost his security clearances for leaking classified information, so even if you were right on the first part which you are not Steele is not a credible witness.”

    Was the information they supplied about Steele true or not?

  12. “Now we know he was set up by a CIA/FBI spy and this set up was then used to indict him.”

    So a far-right blog said he was set up so it must be true.

    If he was innocent why did he plead guilty?

  13. Seamus

    You’re not going to help the brainwashed see the truth. He has no interest in that journey

    He believes every inneuendo and fake fact that was ever fed to him by the GOP/Fox/talk radio lie machine

    He has AFAIK never disagreed with Sean Hannity/Rush/Levin on -anything- whatsoever – that says it all.

  14. Seamus if you look at that “rightwing” blog you’ll see shots of the FBI memos that back up what I say, besides the FACT that the Steele Dossier was russian disinformation and that the Justice Dept Lied to the FISA Court and the FACT that Papadopoulos was set up is not in question.

    Both have been proven and Phantom can call it fantasy or delusion Fox News Propaganda all he wants. Just as he was sure Trump was guilty of working with the Russians which Mueller PROVED he didn’t.

    Do yourself a favor, I don’t believe you played the clip I embedded in this post. Watch it, listen and hear what Graham asks and the answers Barr gives him.

    Each point Barr agrees with is an active investigation.

    Trump was framed and to use Barrs words “SPIED ON” without proper predicating cause.

    Now you can listen to Bubble Boy and get sucked into his TDS or you can keep an open mind and think.

    Mueller found there was no “collusion” no evidence that the Trump Campaign conspired with the Russians on anything IN SPITE OF multiple attempts by the Russians. NOTHING……

    You can go down the rabbit hole of obstruction if you choose, but like masturbation it may feel good but it’s not going to produce anything.

    A Criminal Conspiracy was engaged in by the Clinton’s, the DNC, and high ranking members of the Obama Administration and a lot of people are about to be indicted.

    They committed Treason…. this is not going to be pretty

  15. Hey Phantom….

    Hannity/Rush/Levin have been right all along where WaPo/NYT/Madcow have been proven to have LIED for over two years….

    Life is Good.

  16. “Seamus if you look at that “rightwing” blog you’ll see shots of the FBI memos that back up what I say”

    The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. It was founded after the 2004 United States presidential election, according to its founder, Jim Hoft, to “speak the truth” and to “expose the wickedness of the left”. It came to prominence in 2016 for its favorable coverage of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, and was later granted press credentials in the Trump White House. The website is known for publishing falsehoods and spreading hoaxes.

    And it does nothing of the sort. The screenshots do not suggest that he was set up by the CIA. And again if Papadopoulos was set up and was innocent why did he plead guilty?

    ” besides the FACT that the Steele Dossier was russian disinformation and that the Justice Dept Lied to the FISA Court and the FACT that Papadopoulos was set up is not in question.”

    They are in question. Neither are facts. Both are assertions without evidence.

    “They committed Treason…. this is not going to be pretty”

    Do you have any evidence of that?

  17. Even if this Trumper blogwash were true, it wouldn’t be ” treason “.

    At some point, you need to learn what words mean.

  18. Margaret Sullivan said it best on Sunday’s “Reliable Sources” telecast: “Just when we think it really can’t get any worse… when he uses terms like ‘enemy of the people’ or ‘fake news…’ This actually ratchets it up.”

    Yes, indeed. President Trump is now accusing news outlets of “treason” when he doesn’t like the stories they publish. On Saturday night he said the “Failing New York Times” committed a “virtual act of Treason” by reporting that the “United States is substantially increasing Cyber Attacks on Russia.” He said the story was “NOT TRUE,” but treasonous. Hmmm.
    Trump’s casual use of the word “treason” is a relatively new development. He tweeted it for the first time last September, in response to the anonymous “senior official” op-ed, also in the NYT. He has used it on Twitter half a dozen times this year. He has also said it repeatedly in interviews and speeches, per Factba.se. But as Sullivan said, this really ratchets it up. On “Reliable,” Samantha Vinograd said his tweet about the NYT is talking about “executing journalists,” because treason is a death penalty offense. I wouldn’t go that far, but her point is well taken. What he’s saying is nonsensical, but because he said it, the NYT decided to reply…

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/17/media/reliable-sources-06-16-19/index.html

    Anything Trump says, the Trump Cultists parrot, the same words, the same tone of voice, no thought required.

  19. Phantom this is not a paper we are talking about you freaking moroon….

    We had high ranking members of the justice dept involved in a criminal conspiracy to Frame and Overthrow a fairly elected President. That is the textbook definition of Treason.

    trea·son
    [ˈtrēzən]
    NOUN
    the crime of betraying one’s country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

    and this is the guy you’re giving credibility to Seamus…… like I said you better start thinking for yourself.

  20. Well it’s a shame that no one else was interested other than Heckle and Jeckle.

    That’s ok because a Grand Jury is already been convened and Indictments are being drawn up. 6 months from now I will repost this and say…. “nah nah told ya so… buttheads”

  21. a) there is zero evidence of Trump being framed in an illegal conspiracy

    b) Trump isn’t a sovereign ruler, is not a king. ( though you think that he is )

    c) if Trump were removed it would not be overthrowing the government. The exact same system of government would continue to exist.

  22. you’re a moron Phantom and I’m going to enjoy the next year and a half rubbing all this stuff in your face as the indictments start to roll on out……

    Phantom, on June 17th, 2019 at 2:46 PM Said: Edit Comment
    a) there is zero evidence of Trump being framed in an illegal conspiracy

    b) Trump isn’t a sovereign ruler, is not a king. ( though you think that he is )

    c) if Trump were removed it would not be overthrowing the government. The exact same system of government would continue to exist.

    a) there is zero evidence of Trump being framed in an illegal conspiracy which is why Barr convened a Grand Jury

    b) Trump isn’t a sovereign ruler, is not a king. ( though you think that he is ) no one said or acted like he is… that’s your TDS causing the foam to drip from your lip.

    c) if Trump were removed it would not be overthrowing the government. The exact same system of government would continue to exist.

    No if he were removed by an insider coupe which was what they tried and failed that is overthrowing the government the PEOPLE chose.

    You tell me I need to learn the meaning of words.

    You need to learn that not only can you be wrong about what you believe, but you are more often than your are not.

  23. Trump is not the government. He is the officeholder in one of the three branches of government. Read the Constitution.

    There is a universe of difference between removing a sovereign ruler and removing a US president.

    If Trump were removed by the impeachment process or even by a ( fantasy ) ” coup ” it would not be overthrowing the government. Not even close.

    Barr is doing his master’s bidding in all respects, rather than doing the people’s business.

  24. keep telling yourself that…. It won’t make you any less wrong but it does add to your display of idiocy and TDS which is getting more amusing by the day.

  25. So Phantom…….

    Ok yeah Trump’s a Liar, crook, scum, a conman, a russian spy, the most corrupt man to ever live…. he just also happens to President of the United States.

    So what are you going to do if he wins reelection? an also in the meantime the TREASON that your Hero Obama organized and ran is unraveling right before our eyes. Indictments are coming, indictments for REAL CRIMES not imaginary one’s like “collusion”.

  26. We’ll see.

  27. Yeah we will…..

    What I have found disappointing about Trump being President….. It’s effect on you.

    We have always disagreed we have been arguing for 18yrs and there have been times that I have really despised you, but I always had respect for you because even when we disagreed you had logic and reason.

    You have lost both those qualities, your personal hate for Trump has robbed you of your reason, and that my good man is just sad.

  28. The locals in NYC ( and the business community ) have had Trump’s number for a very long time, way before he started running for office.

    Ask the US banks why they wouldn’t give him loans anymore.

  29. Phantom, on June 17th, 2019 at 7:19 PM Said: Edit Comment
    The locals in NYC ( and the business community ) have had Trump’s number for a very long time, way before he started running for office.

    Ask the US banks why they wouldn’t give him loans anymore.

    What does that have to do with anything? As I said.

    Trump’s a Liar, crook, scum, a conman, a russian spy, the most corrupt man to ever live…. he just also happens to President of the United States.

  30. Barr is wasting resources with this wild goose chase. He has shown himself to be nothing more than another Trump lackey.

    There are serious matters his department should be focused on such as preventing Russian influence on upcoming elections, especially since Trump recently said he would welcome Russian help in 2020 as he did in 2016.

  31. Barr is wasting resources with this wild goose chase
    O.M.G.

    You meant Mueller did, right!

  32. Mueller was asked to do his investigation. He did not initiate it.

    He’s an top cop who was placed in a dreadful position.

  33. Barr lied before the Congress.

    Mueller didn’t lie to anyone.

  34. Yes he did and he let 4 innocent guys in the past sit in jail for 10yrs four people that were innocent that were kept in jail by Mueller so as to protect Whitey Bulger’s informant status.

    He kept them in jail because he valued the informant status of a mass-murdering Boston mobster more than the innocence of four people he knew were innocent!

    The same guy who let four innocent people languish in jail (two of them died in jail) in order to protect his investigation. He wasn’t even getting at the truth! He had four people in jail for doing something they had not done, he didn’t put them there, but he kept them there.

    St Mueller…. Mr Clean… he’s a frigging dirty cop bum.

  35. Was Robert Mueller, the special counsel, complicit in one of the worst scandals in the F.B.I.’s history — the decades-long wrongful imprisonment of four men for a murder they didn’t commit?

    This question, which has been raised before, is being addressed again — this time by some of President Trump’s most ardent supporters on the right, especially Fox News’s Sean Hannity but also Rush Limbaugh and others. My friend Alan Dershowitz, the retired Harvard Law School professor, has also weighed in.

    In an April 8 interview with John Catsimatidis on his New York radio show, Mr. Dershowitz asserted that Mr. Mueller was “the guy who kept four innocent people in prison for many years in order to protect the cover of Whitey Bulger as an F.B.I. informer.” Mr. Mueller, he said, was “right at the center of it.” Mr. Bulger was a notorious crime boss in Boston, the head of the Winter Hill Gang, and also a secret source for the F.B.I.

    There is no evidence that the assertion is true. I was the federal judge who presided over a successful lawsuit brought against the government by two of those men and the families of the other two, who had died in prison. Based on the voluminous evidence submitted in the trial, and having written a 105-page decision awarding them $101.8 million, I can say without equivocation that Mr. Mueller, who worked in the United States attorney’s office in Boston from 1982 to 1988, including a brief stint as the acting head of the office, had no involvement in that case. He was never even mentioned.

    You here say something that you know to be false. This has been discussed on these pages before.

    Don’t ask me ; ask the federal judge who presided over a suit against the US government on the Whitey Bulger case.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/opinion/robert-mueller-smearing-complicit.html

  36. you’re wrong he knew they were innocent and he left them there. He didn’t arrest them, and wasn’t involved in the case except it was his office. He was the Boss, he knew they were innocent and did NOTHING. 2 men died in jail that were innocent and he could have prevented that. He’s a dirty cop.

    You can use the NYTs as a reference all you want the paper lies, it creates fake news using “anonymous” sources to advance it’s political agenda.

    It may be the bible to you, but outside your bubble no one gives the paper an ounce of credibility. It’s a political rag nothing more.

  37. It isn’t the NYT

    It’s a federal judge

    Dershowitz said something that had no evidence behind it and then he stopped saying it when he saw that there was no evidence. He was sloppy.

    You’d know that if you read the Op ed piece. Which you absolutely did not do.

  38. “When Mr. Hannity and others say Mr. Mueller was responsible for the continued imprisonment of those four men, they are simply wrong — unless they have information that I, Ms. Balliro, the House investigators and the “Black Mass” authors did not and do not have. If they do, they should produce it. If they don’t, they should stop this campaign to discredit Mr. Mueller.” From the linked NYT article by the judge.

    The judge, Nancy Gertner, was on the Federal District Court in Massachusetts from 1994 to 2011, is a senior lecturer at Harvard Law School. Harvard Law School – Elizabeth Warren probably persuaded the judge to write this article. That is the way Trumpers would discredit what the judge wrote. Maybe Barr can start another wild goose chase at Harvard Law and put these women in their place!

  39. There is such a vast GOP/Fox lie machine, and these mopes believe every word of it every time.

    They don’t even look into anything since ” the genius Dershowitz ” said it, before the schmuck found out that there was zero evidence for anything that he said.

  40. I no longer read the NYTs and I have no interest in anything that’s written in it and neither does the majority of the country. It has less credibility than the Weekly World News.

    Since GWs Presidency the NYTs has blatantly fabricated and spun stories to meet it’s political agenda, so it doesn’t matter what they say someone said.

    If it’s in the NYTs it can’t taken with any credibility.

    NYr were 4 innocent men in jail… yes

    During that period did Mueller run that office…. yes

    Did he expose the fact that his agents set these 4 guys up…. No

    2 Men DIED in Prison when they were innocent Mueller if he was good cop he would have seen that JUSTICE was served. Instead he allowed them to stay in jail and pretend that it never happened rather than expose the fact that HIS AGENTS broke the Law…. Which is exactly the same thing here.

    Mueller was supposed to investigate Russian Collusion…. how convenient that in digging into the campaign he ONLY looked at one candidate instead of Russia involvement in the election… maybe like then he didn’t want to expose his corrupt agents who framed Trump just like his agents framed those 4.

    It amazes me NYr you say Barr has better things to do than exposing crooked cops like stopping russia interfering with our elections.

    Yet Russia providing a file of lies about Trump for the Hillary campaign you think is just fine because that was Russia interfering on the side of the democrats.

    Do you know how bad you have destroyed your own credibility?

  41. Phantom I brought up the Bulger case and the incompetence of Mueller the day he was appointed as special counsel.

    You are so mentally unbalanced over Trump that you can’t even lie well…. lmao

  42. The NY Times didn’t write the article. A retired judge did.

    Mueller was only the -acting- head of the office for a short time. He had nothing to do with the case.

    And these guys speak of ” Fake News “?

  43. oh and by the way for the 800 millionth time I don’t watch Hannity nor do I listen to his radio show.

    I have told you that steadily for years, but heads up asses….. “Hannity says it you believe it to be true” you two really have zero credibility anymore. You both live in a bubble, you both live and die by what’s in the NYTs outside of NY people laugh in your face at the two you’s stupidity, but since you live in a city/region of brainwashed lemmings identical to yourselves you think you make sense. And that’s how the city gets Mayors like DeBlasio, Hillary and people AOC to represent you, and they do exactly….. asses representing asses.

  44. “Phantom I brought up the Bulger case and the incompetence of Mueller the day he was appointed as special counsel.”

    Yes and every time you have done so you have been informed that your accusations and insinuations are without merit.

  45. Anyone who gets in Trump’s way magically turns into a Deep State bad cop.

    Trump himself said that Mueller did an honorable investigation, before he changed his mind ten times that day.

    Hey how about Uranium One? Didn’t they used to control the Benghanzi mines that Seth Rich was in charge of? Why hasn’t Hillary been executed yet?

  46. The NYTs printed it and it doesn’t matter if he was head of that office for 5 minutes. As head of the office he was made aware of all the cases the office had open the Bulger case was an open case.

    It doesn’t matter anyway he did his investigation of Trump he was given full access to everything he needed and everything he wanted and like it he cleared him. (oh oh he didn’t clear him he just couldn’t charge him) bullshit that’s not how the Law works. Either you are charged or you are cleared…. there are no caveats.

    Mueller’s part in this is done. Anything that could have been against Trump is gone.

    Now those who broke the Law trying to frame him will be indicted and they will either be convicted or cleared…. because justice is blind the same either or choice that applies to Trump also applies to them.

  47. Phantom, on June 17th, 2019 at 11:08 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Anyone who gets in Trump’s way magically turns into a Deep State bad cop.

    Now if I suffered from Clinton Derangement Syndrome I would say….

    Anyone who gets in Clinton’s way magically turns up DEAD!

  48. Mueller headed the FBI under Republican GW Bush and under Obama.

    The Senate confirmed Mueller as the head of the FBI by a unanimous vote in August 2001.

    But they didn’t have the secret info that our Patrick had. He knew that Mueller was ” incompetent ” even if no one else in the world knew it.

  49. Yes and every time you have done so you have been informed that your accusations and insinuations are without merit.

    In your eyes but that office had to pay out 100 million dollars because of it and Mueller was in charge of that office during that period, so the courts and a jury found Merit in it…. but I know you guys know better than the courts and a jury even if the screwups in that office cost two men their lives and the government 100 million you guys are right…..

  50. yeah lets take a look at the two of you and your lack of reality….

    Trump has no chance of being reelected, he’s despised, no one wants to stay in his hotels blah blah blah.

    Now every democrat that has announced their candidacy including Biden had less than 1000 people show up at the event.

    Trump is announcing that he’s running and gee what do you know they’ve had OVER 100,000 requests for seating……

    But no one supports him.

  51. Patrick – you would be better off just posting boring music choices.

  52. Honestly, Troll’s bizarre posts aren’t the problem.

    Phantom, Seamus and anyone else who gives these insane posts air, which then catch fire, are the problem.

    Stop giving this idiot oxygen. The excuse that he has to be refuted is absolute nonsense.

    Twelve fucking people read this niche blog.

    If you could refrain from hitting the goddamn keyboard for ten quick minutes, his utter bullshit posts would be quickly buried under Pete Moore’s less insane bullshit posts and horrid music takes.

    The best way to refute Troll is to ignore him.

  53. Paul – you should have been included in the above list of people encouraging Troll’s bullshit.

    You sound like an intelligent man with a full life and wonderful family, why do you want to encourage or even debate (not sure this word really applies since that doesn’t ever actually happen with Troll) this sad, ignorant, angry man.

    I can only imagine that it must be mildly entertaining to bait the mad dog during your off hours. You don’t do this lethargic blog any favors by encouraging or engaging his worst impulses.

    That said, I do like the pieces you’ve recently written. Well done!

  54. Daphne

    You’ve made similar comment before, and you were right then, too.

    Maybe we’ll start to listen now.

  55. Troll has every right to post. If you don’t like it, don’t read it!

  56. so Daphne leaves the site after causing Mike Cunningham to leave after attacking his wife and accusing Me my Wife and David of perpetuating a fraud. She drops in once a week and takes a shit in the middle of the floor and now she is trying to get everyone to not interact with me…..

    Listen you cow go scratch your ass in Macy’s window with a Broken Bottle…….. Why don’t you come back and join the site like a normal person or just keep doing what you’ve been doing acting like acting like the ignorant inbred pig that you are……

  57. Mahons, on June 17th, 2019 at 11:59 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Patrick – you would be better off just posting boring music choices.

    Hey I’d be glad to post music everyday,,,, except this is a political site.

  58. Look the rest of you do not have to read my posts let alone comment on them, but let me ask a question.

    The site was designed for DEBATING politics. How do you debate if you all believe the same things?

  59. Daphne

    You’re right of course that it’s pointless debating with Patrick, but have you ever considered that some people might actually like debating him for whatever crazy reason?

  60. Someone is up late

  61. As for this post itself, none of you foam at the mouth wackjobs suffering from TDS of course like it or agree with it. That however doesn’t change facts.

    Trump was Framed by Obama using Russian disinformation after he covered up Hillary’s Espionage.

    The consequences of failing with the frame have begun to bear fruit. A Grand Jury has been convened and indictments are being built as we speak.

    Now the problem that you can’t face those facts is not my problem it’s yours. My job is to put the facts out there and explain what they mean and where they are leading us.

    I have shown that I will debate what I wrote in a nice civil manner with anyone willing to do so. If you want to discuss why I am wrong please do so.

    If you want to moo like the Texas Longhorn please go ahead. Daphne by her past actions has proven she is scum. She attacked Mikes wife who is very sick and she accused my wife of faking cancer.

    Life is a circle and karma eventually comes back around on everyone, so I have faith that even though Mike and I will never witness it Daphne will experience the emotional pain that she caused two families. In that I have full confidence and faith.

  62. you know I really hate this and I’m sure it’s just my shit but please bear with me while I speak my mind and once again apologize.

    Because even though we are only Twelve fucking people read this niche blog.

    I care about those Twelve fucking people read this niche blog. So when I respond to someone like an ass I’ll own it. Please forgive my shallow childish behavior.

    Now that being said I have a serious question that I’ll be shocked if I get any answer let alone an honest one.

    Daphne Why?

    Once every 7-9 weeks you come on here jump on one of my threads and attack me for no reason. In between that you show up once about every ten or so days and if we exchange comments they may be cold, but neither of us are nasty.

    So why would you come on my post not address the subject of the post, not address me even acting as if I’m not in the room, telling everyone else on this niche site of only 12 readers that that they should boycott me and do whatever it takes to drive me off the site…

    Why ? one adult to another can I get an explanation please ?

  63. What a lovely thread. All sunshine and lollipops and happy engaging smiley people. 😍😍

  64. This is a political blog. And we argue politics. And for the most part, due to the nature of politics in both the US and the UK, politics means either arguing Brexit or arguing Trump. And I understand, and agree, with the need for more diversity of posts on this site. But look at the threads were we don’t argue politics, or argue a different sort of politics.

    14 posts on the Grenfell thread. 10 on the ASA thread. 9 on John McAfee. There are 27 on the London knife crime thread but a cursory reading of it would suggest that it is 90% people talking about food.

    We have 184 on the Iran thread and 63 on this one.

    I think if people want more diverse topics discussed then post them and discuss them. But removing the one thing we actually discuss would be the death of this site.

  65. Well said Seamus. And may I ad that we should play the ball, and not the man.

  66. Hi Daphne, hope all’s well.

    I’m not really sure why I was included in your comment above in the sense that the only conversations Pat and I have are when I point out the inconsistencies and contradictions of the Trump administration which, TBH, are few and far between on my part. Pat blogs almost exclusively on US politics which to be brutally honest leaves me bored witless so I very very rarely comment on such things and my interaction with Pat is usually him being a very generous conduit for me to post my disparate thinking here as I don’t have the keys to the castle nyself.

    Having said that, this is a political blog and while I agree with you that it’s a niche and that it’s readership is dwindling I don’t think it’ll ever be truly dead while we have the PVR / Phantom show to batter each other.

    That said, I do like the pieces you’ve recently written. Well done!

    Many thanks. Glad you enjoyed them.

  67. I would like to get more readers to the site, the more readers the more comments the better. The truth is I’ve hit a wall on how to do that.

    Paul you were included because our exchanges are civil no other reason. What Daphne doesn’t realize is except for Phantom and I with each other the comments on this site have become very civil.

    There are the occasional tiffs, but the drama is for the most part gone. If she was here on a regular basis she’d know that.

    I hop she answers my question, I’d really like to know what her issue is.

  68. for Peter wherever he is…..

    EDITORIAL: Glaciers didn’t melt fast enough to meet prediction

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-glaciers-didnt-melt-fast-enough-to-meet-prediction-1688833/

  69. Patrick

    I’m sorry that Daphne, like the internet troll that she is, got away with her drive-by shitting of the place. I’m also sorry that more did not stand in your defense. You do a lot of work for this site. Some posts are popular and some are not. But I for one appreciate what you do.

  70. Charles

    Let’s just say that I’m a little bit disappointed at that last remark

    Daphne is OK

    Howdy from Reagan Airport

  71. Thanks Charles.

    Phantom
    Let’s just say that I’m a little bit disappointed at that last remark

    Daphne is OK

    So you’re disappointed in Charles remark of support….. Yet you are totally silent on Daphne coming on here for no reason insulting the site and attacking me trying to get others to boycott me and to drive me off the site…. that doesn’t disappoint you in fact you support it “she’s Ok”.

    Do me a favor Tom and listen to her then. Stay off my threads and ignore me, but you can’t. Like her you are motivated by hate and bile of me.

    Why?

  72. Cheers

  73. Charles.

    Daphne has always been nice to me, I think your remarks are out of order.
    I didn’t see the posts Patrick always brings up in relation to Daphne, but remember there are two sides to every story. And Patrick claiming Mike Cunningham was bullied of the site is nonsense. Mike made some utterly disgusting post on here. His post about the Hillsborough tragedy being one example. No one caused him to leave.

    Patrick has given as good as he’s got over the years. He’s made some disgusting comments to most of the regulars on her, (myself included.) But I appreciate the contributions he’s mare this site and he can be quite reasonable at times. But to paint him, (or paint himself), as some kind of victim is laughable.

  74. and Dave has that changed?

    When was the last time I went after any of you?

    What did I say to provoke this attack?

    You and Phantom want to side with her please go right ahead. It is your choice, but then actually follow through. Don’t comment on my posts.

    Look at Tom/Phantom the pussy doesn’t even have the balls to explain himself do you?

    Tell me what did I do to evoke her coming on here and trying to get people to drive me off?

    What have I done or said to you?

  75. Also asking people why they are attacking me is NOT playing the victim.

    I will fight with any of you or all of you…. I am no victim.

    It would be nice if You, Daphne, and Phantom could explain your positions.

    Phantom is to much of a pussey to stand his ground…. how about you? Instead of claiming that I’m playing victim. Why don’t you explain your animosity towards me, lay out your complaints… I will gladly go toe to toe with you…..

    can you muster the balls to air your issues with me or are you going to wimp out like Tom?

  76. Patrick

    I’m not ‘siding’ with anyone mate. You always seem to take these comments personally.
    Please re-read what I wrote.
    As I’ve repeatedly told you, I don’t think you’re a bad person.
    You give at least as good as you get on ATW, and you’ve also said some pretty horrible things over the years.
    Daphne is not the villian here, and for the record neither are you.

  77. My opinion of Daphne:

    The fiery, tough Texan lady. Smart and sassy. No shit talked, no shit taken. I have images of her in a pair of cowboy boots with a bottle of bourbon in one hand and a Colt 45 in the other. Fair, deep thinking and straight talking. The kind of US Republican I can respect

    I enjoy her no frills insights in her comments here but if she or anybody else has a feud with someone else here like somoeone else’s sexual preferance, gender assignment, marriage partner etc it’s really no business of mine and I don’t think we’re obligated to defend / attack anyone here unless we personally feel strongly enough about a point to get involved.

    That above comment doesn’t detract from anyone’s contribution here. I just feel that if there’s a feud here I don’t think anyone else has an automatic obligation to get involved.

  78. I have no problem with Daphne when she’s commenting on anything. If you go back over the last year you won’t find me once starting a fight with her.

    I’m not ‘siding’ with anyone mate…..

    Dave Alton, on June 18th, 2019 at 2:04 AM Said: Edit Comment
    Daphne

    You’re right of course that it’s pointless debating with Patrick

    and you tell me to learn to read……

  79. Actually if you look back over the past year you will find several times that I have asked her to come back on a more regular basis which she has responded that she’s grown out of this cshit blog…. yet once every two weeks she shows up which is fine. You guys enjoy her input, and you can’t find me attacking her when she does.

    So why come on unprovoked and try to get others to drive me from the site?

    You and Phantom agree with her, which like I said is fine that’s your choice, but don’t act like it’s me Dave.

    I fight with one person on this site which I freely admit. The fight between Phantom and I has raged for 18yrs. He could make a case of me being wrong, none of the rest of you can.

  80. Y’all must admit that I’m usually a peacemaker on this site. I don’t return a slap for a slap.

    But Patrick is my friend, and I stand up for my friends when they’re treated shabbily.

    I’m out for the rest of the day, so for me this matter is closed.

  81. Thanks Charles, have a good day dude.

  82. But Patrick is my friend, and I stand up for my friends when they’re treated shabbily

    Good man. Very commendable.

    I would consider most of the peopleI interact with on this site ‘friends’ (however much one can have a true friendship in virtual cyberspace), Charles.

  83. I look at you all as friends.

  84. Barr’s Investigator John Durham Once Probed Mueller in a Shocking Case

    Connecticut U.S. Attorney John Durham was appointed to investigate the origins of the Russia-Trump probe. Apparently, he has been on the job for weeks.

    Durham is the perfect investigator for the job by all accounts and he had experience with Robert Mueller in the Whitey Bulger case. He did not side with Mueller and Mueller’s agents suffered the consequences of Mueller’s, some would say, corrupt leadership.

    THE WHITEY BULGER CASE
    Back in the late 1990s, there were “allegations that FBI informants James ‘Whitey’ Bulger and Stephen ‘The Rifleman’ Flemmi had corrupted their handlers.

    So, in 1999, Janet Reno appointed John Durham as Special Prosecutor and charged him with investigating FBI corruption in Boston.

    As it turned out, FBI agents aided mass murderer, Whitey Bulger and hid his crimes. Bulger was a protected informant.

    Durham sent one agent involved to prison for 10 years.

    Then-US Attorney, Robert Mueller is probably the one who should have landed in the pen. He allowed four innocent men to be sent to prison for a murder he knew they didn’t commit. He did it to protect Bulger.

    One of the four men was in Florida at the time of the murder and could not have committed the murder.

    When Durham went through the documents. He found that the four men, Enrico Tameleo, Joseph Salvati, Peter J. Limone, and Louis Greco, had actually been framed.

    Four people who were innocent were kept in jail for years in order to protect the status of Whitey Bulger as an FBI informant.

    The Boston Globe wrote:
    “[Mike] Albano [former Parole Board Member who was threatened by two F.B.I. agents for considering parole for the men imprisoned for a crime they did not commit] was appalled that, later that same year, Mueller was appointed FBI director, because it was Mueller, first as an assistant US attorney then as the acting U.S. attorney in Boston, who wrote letters to the parole and pardons board throughout the 1980s opposing clemency for the four men framed by FBI lies. Of course, Mueller was also in that position while Whitey Bulger was helping the FBI cart off his criminal competitors even as he buried bodies in shallow graves along the Neponset…”

    In December 2000, Durham revealed secret FBI documents that convinced a judge to vacate the 1968 murder convictions of ”four other FBI informants because they’d been framed by Robert Mueller’s FBI.

    “In 2007,” to help protect Whitey Bulger (that’s what all those people were held in jail for) “the documents helped Salvati, Limone, and the families of the two other men who had died in prison to win a US $101.7 million civil judgment against the government.”

    Durham got the two surviving framed men released from prison.

    Robert Mueller was knee-deep in this scandal, along with Andrew Weissman and the agent sent to prison, but because Reno gave him very limited authority, Durham was not able to prosecute Mueller, who was not in the FBI at the time.

    Mueller kept four innocent people in jail for years to protect the informant status of Whitey Bulger, a mass-murdering Boston mobster who ended up dying in California, and it ended up costing the government $100 million plus in civil judgments.

    ALAN DERSHOWITZ CALLED MUELLER A “ZEALOT”
    Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz, calling Mueller a “zealot,” he reminded Mueller supporters about the former FBI director’s role in protecting “notorious mass murderer” Whitey Bulger as an FBI informant.

    “I think Mueller is a zealot,” Dershowitz told “The Cats Roundtable” on 970 AM-N.Y. “. . . I don’t think he cares whether he hurts Democrats or Republicans, but he’s a partisan and zealot.

    “He’s the guy who kept four innocent people in prison for many years in order to protect the cover of Whitey Bulger as an FBI informer. Those of us in Boston don’t have such high regard for Mueller because we remember this story. The government had to pay out tens of millions of dollars because Whitey Bulger, a notorious mass murderer, became a government informer against the mafia . . .

    “And that’s regarded in Boston of one of the great scandals of modern judicial history. And Mueller was right at the center of it. So, he is not without criticism by people who know him in Boston.”

    HOW DID MUELLER BECOME THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR?
    There were other cases in which Mueller behaved scandalously, here and here. Former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Sydney Powell tells the same story. She calls them creeps on a mission and has a website of the same name detailing the offenses of Mueller and Weissman.

    How did Robert Mueller end up as the Special Prosecutor? Thank a Democrat. The Democrats insisted he was a great man of inviolable character. They said he was the impeccable man and investigator.

    There is also the fact that Rod Rosenstein seems to think well of him.

    You can be sure there are a lot of people losing sleep knowing Durham is on the case. You might have noticed Rod Rosenstein, the former Deputy Attorney General, is out trashing Jim Comey.

    For his part, Jim Comey hasn’t written anything inspirational or anti-Trump on Twitter for four days. He has been giving a lot of public speeches lately. Maybe he should shut up.

  85. Patrick

    You and Phantom agree with her, which like I said is fine that’s your choice, but don’t act like it’s me Dave.

    Once again you’re putting words in my mouth Patrick. I never said I agree with Daphne, (I agree with her on some things and not on others). I said you give as good as you get.

    (Dave) You’re right of course that it’s pointless debating with Patrick

    and you tell me to learn to read……

    No idea what this is supposed to mean Patrick. I told you to re-read my post because as usual, you were miss interpreting the point I was making.
    I was agreeing with Daphne in this instance, because over the years, I’ve learnt that debating with you, is ultimately pointless. Because you’ll never admit when you’re in the wrong. No matter how much evidence is presented.

  86. …the pussy…

    Here we are.

    On top of being repeatedly called cunt, bitch, product of incest, accused of incest amongst other nasty personal insults by Troll.

    Glad he’s your friend and you all still enjoy talking with this misogynist twat. I can only imagine your reaction if he aimed any of these words at one of your female relatives if she disagreed with his politics.

    Oh wait, I can!

  87. Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz,

    AKA Trump Apologist in Chief, now even ahead of the preposterous Rudi Guliani.

  88. Dershowitz has lost his fastball.

  89. Daphne I never called you the C word…..

    So you are not going to provide a reason for coming on this thread and I would say losing your mind, but you’d have to have one for that to apply….

    Now I will admit I think of of you as an inbred country cow that’s the spawn of a family tree that hasn’t split in generations….. However before your tirade on this thread I have barely addressed you in the last year let alone bothered to waste an insult on you.

    Is it the insanity from the your father marrying his mother that is being shown or is it the new insanity brought on by the fact that not only is donald trump president, but Mueller failed, Comey failed, and the beast herself even failed and it looks like a lot of them are going to jail a double win for trump and his dirty walmart supporters… is it the insanity from that or your lack of genetic diversity….. ?

  90. Dershowitz’s stance is simple and his honor has cost him dearly. He lives in the elite little village of Martha’s Vineyard and over the last year he has become shunned by his friends and neighbors because the rule of Law means more to him than framing Trump because he beat Hillary.

  91. Here is an article in bloomberg that reflects that these people really have no clue….

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-19/what-have-donald-trump-s-rallies-accomplished

  92. When did Alan Dershowitz start supporting the rule of law? He represents his clients to the nth degree. As he said “once I decide to take a case, I have only one agenda: I want to win. I will try, by every fair and legal means, to get my client off – without regard to the consequences. I don not apologize for helping to let a murderer go free”. It wasn’t respect for the rule of law that led to the OJ verdict. It was the opposite. It was not introducing reasonable doubt that led to that verdict. It was slinging so much mud at the wall in an effort to obstruct the truth. That isn’t respect for the rule of law. It is a mockery of it.

  93. His primary job is a teacher….. a professor emeritus and a civil liberty advocate.

    The crime is irrelevant Seamus understanding the Law is both how you get murderers off or convict them.

  94. “The crime is irrelevant Seamus understanding the Law is both how you get murderers off or convict them.”

    Except in Dershowitz most famous case he did not get his murderers off on a point of law. It was the opposite that was true.

  95. Yes he did….. he created reasonable doubt which is a keystone of criminal law.

    Did he use jones vs smith created president A etc etc no, but Trial Law is a performance more so than actual Law…..

    A Sword is a Sword the performance of the wielder decides the winner not the Sword.

  96. “Yes he did….. he created reasonable doubt which is a keystone of criminal law.”

    They didn’t create reasonable doubt. A reasonable review of the evidence would lead anyone of the conclusion that Simpson committed the crime. They created a circus so that the jury would not view it through reasonable doubt but unreasonable doubt.

    “A Sword is a Sword the performance of the wielder decides the winner not the Sword.”

    Which is nothing to do with the rule of law. If the rule of law is the sword then it shouldn’t matter who wields it.

  97. Yes it does both the defence and the prosecutor have the same access to the same Laws. It’s who wields them best that wins.