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Miracle Man

By Mahons On June 19th, 2019

The political campaign situation has conpletely descended into farce in the United States. The currently leading challenger Joe Biden and the sitting President have both promised to cure cancer. If only we elect or reelect them. I suppose there are people, deeply stupid people, who believe one or the other of them. Biden and Trump, each selling himself as a Miracle Man.

A man who couldnt cure his own son and a man who couldn’t cure bone spurs have both morphed into Jesus H. Christ. In a sane society they would be laughed off the stage for such remarks. In our society they get more attention.
Is it too late to petition the Queen of England to take us back? Perhaps we can ask Native American tribes to restore their governments (Iroquois Confederacy Anyone?). It feels like virtually anything would preserve more dignity.
Anyone who is not depressed by the upcoming choice(s) in the next Presidential election is incapable of thought.
Perhaps the politicians currently running could quit and at least reduce one medical condition – depression. Because the promises on the road to the Rose Garden are just too much.

173 Responses to “Miracle Man”

  1. Until the current President no other President was held to the ridiculous promises they make on the campaign trail….. but Trump is a liar because the mexicans ain’t paying…..

    Now if Biden wins do you think anyone will hold him to that curing cancer promis……. but I’ll bet if Trump wins they’ll call him a liar for not curing it.

  2. We choose to go to the Moon! We choose to go to the Moon…We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend to win, and the others, too.

    When Kennedy said that the idea that a human being could set foot on Mars was ludicrous. It was only a little over a year after Yuri Gagarin became the first man in Space. But he set the goal and committed the entire American nation to a decade of effort and treasure to get there. And they did.

    Presidents, and potential Presidents, shouldn’t be mocked for having big aspirations. In fact it should be a prerequisite for the job.

  3. Remember Obama was going to lower the Oceans…..

  4. *set foot on the Moon

  5. Megalomania seems to be a prerequisite for the job. It was Uncle Joe that came up with the latest cancer story.

    As Trump says, “if you’re going to think, think big!

  6. //But he set the goal and committed the entire American nation to a decade of effort and treasure to get there. And they did.//

    I would would they have done it had JFK not been murdered. There was a big part of a memorial to the dead president’s promise in the moon race.

    But it was a great effort and great result, so who cares.

  7. “I would would they have done it had JFK not been murdered. There was a big part of a memorial to the dead president’s promise in the moon race.”

    Possibly. I think they would have got there eventually, largely to stop the Russians from doing it first. But likely it wouldn’t have happened by 1969.

  8. They would have continued with the moonshot even if he lived. The main purpose of the moonshot at least what was used to justify the expense was the missile technology and guidance systems.

    We can land a man on the moon we can put a missile in your bedroom 😉

  9. Aspirational goals are great, but the likes of Trump and Biden don’t know anything about cancer and they are fools for promising to cure it in any time frame.

    And besides, Trumpsters, where did it say in the holy Koran Constitution that the federal government has any role in curing diseases? This should be left to the private sector, which does a better job at everything

    I am sure that Tesco is working on that cancer cure right now, and that they’ll be offering cancer cure pills for £20 when you bundle the cure with a bag of seedless grapes.

  10. where did it say in the holy Koran Constitution

    spitting on his country again….. a daily event

  11. There has been improvement in curing many cancers. It seems that there are different solutions for different types of cancer rather than one solution for all types of cancer. The promise to cure cancer is not as outlandish as it sounds if you interpret it as greater effort to improve survival rates by types of cancer. I believe there are many women who have survived breast cancer due to ‘cures’ developed in the last twenty years than if those ‘cures’ were never developed.

    The goal of curing cancer should not be ridiculed although it could be much better stated. I’d rather curing cancer be a goal than starting unjustified wars.

  12. FFS. I am not ridiculing the idea of curing cancer. I’m ridiculing politics cynical claims that they will do so as a campaign tactic.

  13. cept as Phantom pointed out medicine isn’t the government arena… war is.

    The advance in cancer cures is a direct result of mapping the gnome.

  14. and we want to keep medicine out of the hands of government in this country.

  15. One of my friends is on chemo/radio-therapy for throat cancer. He showed me that the treatment is the same as it has been for decades so cancer is very lucrative for certain people given the amount of money that the ‘industry’ gets every year from the taxpayer and the charity-scams. It would be dreadful if remedies were found.

  16. Lung cancer is down 45 percent since 1990 among men and down 19 percent since 2002 among women
    Breast cancer is down 39 percent since 1989
    Prostate cancer is down 52 percent since 1993
    Colorectal cancer is down 52 percent since 1970

    Impressive results in the US, and the civil society/government campaign against smoking gets huge credit for the reduction in lung cancer

    More comprehensive testing on the other cancers hugely helpful there.

    Overall cancers much higher in the Southeast, due to bad diet and more smoking

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cancer-deaths-fall-thanks-mostly-drop-smoking-n834686

  17. He showed me that the treatment is the same as it has been for decades so cancer is very lucrative for certain people given the amount of money that the ‘industry’ gets every year from the taxpayer and the charity-scams.

    Is this supposed to make sense

  18. “and we want to keep medicine out of the hands of government in this country.” What do you propose to replace the NIH?

  19. https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/history

    Communism, arrest them all. We can’t have knowledge in this country.

    For over a century, NIH scientists have paved the way for important discoveries that improve health and save lives. In fact, 156 Nobel Prize winners have received support from NIH. Their studies have led to the development of MRI, understanding of how viruses can cause cancer, insights into cholesterol control, and knowledge of how our brain processes visual information, among dozens of other advances.

    The Roots of NIH
    The National Institutes of Health traces its roots to 1887, when a one-room laboratory was created within the Marine Hospital Service (MHS), predecessor agency to the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS).

    The MHS had been established in 1798 to provide for the medical care of merchant seamen. In the 1880s, the MHS had been charged by Congress with examining passengers on arriving ships for clinical signs of infectious diseases, especially for the dreaded diseases cholera and yellow fever, in order to prevent epidemics. Read A Short History of NIH.

  20. Is this supposed to make sense

    I’ll explain. The treatments are the same as decades ago yet huge amounts of money have been pumped into the cancer industry from taxpayers and fraudy ‘charities’, thus ensuring that margins are huge for this lucrative sector.

  21. This one treatment for one specific type of cancer may be unchanged. I don’t doubt that.

    But many methods of chemo/radiation/surgery treatment of cancer has changed a lot.

  22. Mahons

    You seem despondent at the prospect that Biden may be the Democrat standard bearer. According to the MSM, and all the polls, he handily beats Trump. What’s the problem? Going wobbly old man?

  23. I don’t think that he was jumping for joy when Biden became VP.

    Biden may be more a very popular second choice than anyone’s first choice as to who should lead the country.

  24. The candidate on the left is going to be Kamala Harris.

  25. Thanks for that response Phantom. I am genuinely curious of the Biden white knight phenomenon. From what I read I thought he was Dem McDreamy.

  26. Patrick, I hope you’re wrong, because I think Harris has a chance of beating Trump.

  27. Biden is a known factor, and his service for and continuing friendship with Obama won’t hurt.

    Especially when there are fifty zillion other candidates out there.

  28. Charles

    Do you think Biden would be a better president than Trump? If not, why not.

  29. New Yorker

    I really don’t have anything against Biden. I think he could be a good president. I’ve always thought of him as a moderate, and able to cross the aisle to work with Republicans to get things done. Of all the Dems in the field right now, I would be most happy with Biden if elected.

    My fear is that he is being dragged left by the loons in the party. His recent back-tracking on the Hyde Amendment concerning abortion access just being the latest example.

    That being said, I still want Trump. I want the wall. I want law and order.

  30. But b/c a guy like me would find Biden an OK pick for President is exactly the reason that he won’t get the nomination from his party. He’s not a Bernie lite like the other 20 candidates, IMHO.

  31. Don’t bet against him winning primaries, esp if the early ones are very crowded with every Ying and Yang under the sun

  32. Charles

    I agree with most of what you say about Biden. He is a centrist who believes in reaching across the aisle. I was also disappointed on the Hyde Amendment reversal.

    If the Democrats want to win they will leave Biden where he is and stop dragging him anywhere.

    I think his experience is an asset as well as his congenial personality.

  33. I didn’t answer your question though. Would Biden be a better President than Trump? In one way he could be. He could be less divisive than Trump, and that would be good for the country.

  34. Charles

    Biden would be less divisive. He was also part of the team that helped guide the economy into the sunny weather we are enjoying. He probably will not build a wall but very possibly could get good immigration laws passed and implemented. He would probably look at the Central American countries that are producing all the immigrants and get to the cause which produces the terrible effects at the border. He also has vast experience in foreign affairs which seem adrift at the moment.

  35. New Yorker

    That was actually a very good question that you asked. It got me out of my Republican skin for a moment and look at Biden and give him credit where credit is due. If very many of my Red State brethren were to the same thing, this could be a race!

  36. Biden said recently that he was able to do business when he needed to with segregationist Senator Eastland of Mississippi years ago.

    No hopers Booker and DeBlasio are spinning this that Biden was insufficiently against segregation.

    Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) found offense in Biden’s folksy portrayal of Eastland.

    “You don’t joke about calling black men ‘boys.’ Men like James O. Eastland used words like that, and the racist policies that accompanied them, to perpetuate white supremacy and strip black Americans of our very humanity,” Booker said in a statement.

    “Vice President Biden’s relationships with proud segregationists are not the model for how we make America a safer and more inclusive place for black people, and for everyone,” he said, suggesting that Biden apologize immediately.

    New York Mayor Bill de Blasio, another 2020 contender, went further in his attack on Biden. The mayor shared a photo of his biracial family on Twitter, saying Eastland thought such unions should be illegal.

    “It’s past time for apologies or evolution from [Joe Biden],” de Blasio wrote. “He repeatedly demonstrates that he is out of step with the values of the modern Democratic Party.”

    Which is a lie, but that’s how the Huffington Post spins it

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-segregationist-senators-civility_n_5d0a352ae4b0e560b70c6f46

  37. Phantom,

    That’s what I alluded to. Biden will be torn to shreds by his own party before Trump ever gets to him.

  38. Biden can’t win the primaries…. so he won’t be the nominee. The fanatics are who vote in primaries on both sides. Moderates don’t vote in primaries.

  39. The left doesn’t help itself either….. there is a large portion of the Trump Vote that is for spite….. Where it’s just an FU to everyone of the press and the political class and it’s because this attitude that is portrayed by so against the 63 million that voted for him.

    Americans were reminded on Tuesday night that the president of the United States has just one big and very limited political talent: the capacity to elicit anger and resentment in a certain segment of the American electorate using a mixture of outright lies and flagrant demagoguery. That’s it. When it comes to politics, he knows — and knows how to do — nothing else.

    That was clear four years ago, and it was still true as the president launched his re-election campaign with a garish, interminable, and morally appalling rally in Orlando, Florida. The event’s benediction was delivered by a megachurch pastor who suggested that “a demonic network that has been united against President Trump needs to be broken in the name of Jesus.” The musical accompaniment to Trump’s arrival on stage was the mawkish and facile flag-waving of Lee Greenwood’s “God Bless the USA.” And it was all downhill from there.

    https://theweek.com/articles/847981/trumps-reelection-launch-rabblerousing-rerun

  40. more good Trump News…… especially for the greenies….

    The Environmental Protection Agency on Wednesday announced a new rule to grant more flexibility for states in regulating coal-fired power plants, replacing the Obama-era regulation that was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court.

    The Affordable Clean Energy rule under the Trump administration replaces the Obama administration’s Clean Power Plan, which would have required an eventual energy policy shift for the entire power grid from coal to natural gas.

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/06/19/trump-epa-replaces-obamas-anti-coal-clean-power-plan/

  41. Charles

    When I size up a political race I always consider who would do a better job for the office they are running for. Competence at the job comes before political party for me. Years ago in NYC when Michael Bloomberg ran for mayor I voted for him because I was fairly sure he would do a good job as mayor; and I think I made the right choice. It is important too to look at a candidate’s record of what they have accomplished because talk is cheap and not always true.

  42. so who did you vote for mayor last election NYr ?

  43. Phantom

    I agree with what Biden said. If you are not civil with your opponents you will not get anything done. It is ridiculous to think Biden is a racist because he worked with Eastland and Talmadge; it was his job as senator to work with opposition senators to reach compromises.

    Booker and DeBlasio clowns taking a potshot at the front-runner. You correctly label them no-hopers.

  44. Patrick

    Get this, it looks like Trump is about to appoint a UN ambassador who believes in AGW:

    “President Donald Trump’s nominee for ambassador to the United Nations has broken with his viewpoint on climate change, saying it “poses real risks”.

    Kelly Craft told lawmakers at her confirmation hearing she would “be an advocate for all countries to do their part in addressing climate change”.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48699663

  45. PVR

    “Moderates don’t vote in primaries.” I don’t think that is true based on what I’ve seen on primary voting days in my district. And, I’m sure moderates will be voting in the upcoming primaries because there is great dissatisfaction with the way the country is and the present course it is on.

    “there is a large portion of the Trump Vote that is for spite” I agree with that and think they belong in a nuthouse.

    In the last mayoral election I voted for DeBlasio because there was little choice. I can’t even recall who ran as a Republican but it was not someone of the quality of Bloomberg. The Republican party in NYC and NY State is in a sorry state.

  46. Miracle Man is heading towards war with Iran, no question about it. Maybe he reckons it will be the clincher in the 2020 campaign:

    “This is not, then, about Iran’s putative nuclear programme, let alone the ‘very bad’ nuclear deal Trump and his acolytes love to decry. Rather, it is about sections of the US political establishment’s decades-long antagonism towards Iran, an illiberal theocracy the US and the UK did much to lay the groundwork for in 1953, when they organised a coup against Iran’s democratically elected prime minister Mohammad Mosaddegh, paving the way, two decades later, for the anti-Western response: the Iranian Revolution.

    Because from that moment, Iran was a thorn in the side of the US and, to a lesser extent, the UK. Not because it was a brutal, coercive theocracy, but because it wasn’t the West’s brutal, coercive theocracy. That accolade fell to Saudi Arabia, which – alongside assorted military dictatorships such as Egypt, and even for a time in the 1980s, Saddam Hussein’s Iraq – attempted to impose the kind of order and stability amenable to Western powers. But Iran has always proved troublesome, a redoubtable, US flag-burning outpost amid a sea of states bearing arms made in the US and the UK…

    No mention is made of the far more significant role of Saudi Arabia in the development of al-Qaeda, and the Wahhabist creed that informs so much Islamist terrorism, let alone its years-long destruction of Yemen…”

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/06/20/a-war-no-one-can-win-iran-trump/

  47. Honest answers NYr.

    These Primaries are going to be interesting.

  48. ” I don’t think that is true based on what I’ve seen on primary voting days in my district. And, I’m sure moderates will be voting in the upcoming primaries because there is great dissatisfaction with the way the country is and the present course it is on.”

    I think to say moderates don’t vote in primaries is an overstatement. However, in 2018 31.8% of Democratic primary voters identified as moderate, and 7.8% identified as conservative. 60.4% identified as liberal. Now that means 4 in every 10 Democratic primary voters don’t identify as liberal.

    Also in 2018, 51% of Democratic general election voters identified as liberal, 34% as moderate, and 13% as conservative.

    So moderates, and even conservatives, vote in Democratic primaries. However the primaries electorate are more liberal/left wing than their general election counterparts.

  49. yes Peter you cherry picked the few sane paragraphs in that article……

  50. On the bright side I haven’t seen anything about a uge made up crowd this time

  51. Guys look we shall see who wind the Primary, but my comment about moderates not voting in primaries is just my opinion from standing there for over 40yrs on vote day running the machines and counting the votes….. the only people who vote in primaries are fanatics… like us. People who can tell you who the players are…. that is not a moderate.

    It also isn’t a bad thing.

  52. 100,000 when the top Dem can’t draw 1000.

  53. All of Trump’s “crowds” and he still didn’t win popular vote.

  54. nope he didn’t, he won where the votes counted.

    That’s all that mattered.

  55. It’s not for nothing that Trump opened his campaign in all important Florida.

  56. he won where the votes counted.

    And of course he will accept defeat gracefully next year if those votes go against him. I mean he won’t take a narrow defeat to the Supreme Court, of course he won’t.

  57. You mean he won’t act like the Democrats……

  58. Well Pat I admit it has been 3 or 4 months since I checked but this biggest venue he has ever played was 25,000 and he didn’t fill it

    There was even a viable argument that Beto out drew him in Austin

  59. if you want to know exactly what the left is doing just listen to what they accuse the right of….. Trump won’t accept a loss… the left refuse to accept that they lost.

    The accuse Trump of Treason and working with the Russians…. The commit Treason using disinformation bought from Russia…..

  60. What office does Beto hold….. oh yeah he lost to CRUZ.

    and are you serious…. oh ok Trumps crowds are fake….. lmao

  61. From reports I read on Trump in Orlando last night what he delivered was a rehash of bad immigrants, nasty democrats, fake media and Hillary Clinton’s emails. Nothing on what he proposed to do in the next four years. Nothing but regurgitation of hate and resentment. It was not very presidential but I guess those poor lost souls went for the carnival atmosphere.

  62. Where Democrat lost souls are fed the truth….. Free Healthcare, Free College, Reparations…. etc etc

  63. According to the Orlando sentinel the venue has 20000 seats and they were almost full. So where is this 100,000 people figure derived from

  64. According to the Orlando sentinel the venue has 20000 seats and they were almost full. So where is this 100,000 people figure derived from

  65. You heathen

    Trump is Jesus 2.0 to these guys, he performed a Trump Miracle with the seating

    https://www.learnreligions.com/jesus-feeds-the-five-thousand-248697

  66. The stadium held 20,000 they received request for 100,000 request for seats and people camped out in line for two days like it was a concert. two mega screens were setup outside for the overflow…. but hey no one was really there it’s an illusion created with a secret jewish weapon to make 10 people look like 100,000…..

    Here’s all I have to say in keeping with Mahons post.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTm3cVGjBfs

  67. https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/cnn-chris-cuomo-democrats-dont-fill-stadiums-like-trump

  68. ssssshhhhh Charles it’s all in my head….. I’m making it up as I go along…

    This is the best circus I’ve ever watched and when Barr steps into the center ring an introduces the Indictments…. then we’ll see some special performances… high wire acts.

  69. Well again according to the Orlando sentinel there were a couple hundred people lined up early but by the time of the start of the program you could walk right into the building as there were no line ups and plenty of room

    As for the over flow it sounded more like an abandoned ghost town

  70. yes EP I know no one was there, no one supports him, and he has no chance against the amazing lineup of those 22 magnificent example of the Democrat party……

  71. You have never sewn me claim there was no one there I freely admitted there was almost 20,000 people bt claims of 100k are completely baseless

  72. IRAN says it’s “ready for war” after shooting down a US “spy” drone today as tensions continue to rise in the Persian Gulf.

    The Islamic Republic’s state-run IRNA news agency has insisted the country’s Revolutionary Guard hit the drone when it flew over Iran in a “clear message” to Washington.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9334596/iran-shoots-down-us-spy-drone-tensions-gulf/

  73. It was a big crowd, but there were rows of empty seats in the upper deck.

    There is this endless need for the con man to wildly exaggerate.

    Why can’t he be happy with the 18,000 or people who showed up? That’s a big crowd.

    Why the need for the flock to parrot the exaggerations?

  74. EP I wasn’t there so I can’t testify to either, but if the administration is saying 100 and the press is saying 20….. it’s 60.

  75. “EP I wasn’t there so I can’t testify to either, but if the administration is saying 100 and the press is saying 20….. it’s 60.”

    Actually given the trustworthiness and propensity for lying that both the Trump administration and the press have I would say if the administration say 100 and the press say 20 then it is most likely 21.

  76. President Donald Trump’s Orlando campaign rally drew 19,792 spectators, according to official turnstile counts released by the city of Orlando on Wednesday

    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-trump-orlando-rally-attendance-20190619-h6qc5bm7tjdfrfp2ktf33fxc4e-story.html


  77. President Trump kicked off his re-election campaign in Orlando on Tuesday night to an Amway Center that was nearly filled to capacity.

    The arena has a capacity of about 20,000. In his speech to supporters at Amway, Trump said 120,000 people had requested the free tickets to the event.

    Whether it was the weather – hot earlier in the day, rainy in the afternoon – or people just wanting invitations to the historic event for keepsakes, it did appear there were fewer people than were planned. The planned overflow area across from the arena was virtually empty as the rally began inside the arena.

    A photo taken by an Orlando Sentinel photographer at 7 p.m. showed a large section of empty seats in the upper deck.

    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-orlando-trump-rally-crowd-20190618-tkk2pwarsjcgzfwj2vknxgk3hy-story.html

  78. Great minds think alike

    What would the Orlando paper know about an event that happened in Orlando?

    Best believe the president. He’d never lie about a thing like that.

  79. Cuomo to Klobachur: Why Can’t Democrats Pack Stadiums The Way Trump Does?

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/06/19/cuomo_to_klobachur_why_cant_democrats_pack_stadiums_the_way_trump_does.html

  80. I said I didn’t believe either Phantom…. you on the other hand blindly follow anything written on recycled rags.

  81. No politician can be trusted give us the truth or at least the full truth. It used to be that the press were the guardians their job was to inform the masses of the FACTS, but for 8 years they continually about Obama and his policies, and the outright lies the press have engaged against Trump for two years has proven they can’t just not be trusted to print facts that they actively lie to promote false information.

    Anyone following these papers is just ac fool.

  82. interesting article out of chicago…..

    And what happens if Attorney General William Barr is thwarted in his investigation of the investigators of the Democrats’ popular (yet now discredited) theory that President Donald Trump colluded with the Russians to deny the 2016 election to Hillary Clinton?

    “If you want to see what happens to institutions that try to cover up and don’t come clean and don’t really clean house, all you have to do is look at the Catholic Church,” political scientist and University of Chicago professor emeritus Charles Lipson said on my podcast, “The Chicago Way.”

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-john-kass-democrats-russia-investigation-20190619-otsyb6ngljg6zly3b4ztbqhmyq-story.html

  83. “Great minds think alike”

    Indeed.

    “No politician can be trusted give us the truth or at least the full truth. It used to be that the press were the guardians their job was to inform the masses of the FACTS, but for 8 years they continually about Obama and his policies, and the outright lies the press have engaged against Trump for two years has proven they can’t just not be trusted to print facts that they actively lie to promote false information.”

    No certain elements press cannot be trusted to tell the truth. Other press can be.

  84. “Cuomo to Klobachur: Why Can’t Democrats Pack Stadiums The Way Trump Does?”

    Because amongst out and out Trump supporters Trump has an almost cult like following. And the sheep want to see their false prophet.

  85. Reports from partisan sites like Fox News and MSNBC need to be viewed with skepticism.

    I’ve never heard that the Orlando Sentinel is partisan, but I’m sure that some of the usual Trumpers will be able to fabricate something.

  86. https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/19/judge-sentence-doxxing-senate/

    FORMER SENATE AIDE GETS FOUR YEARS IN PRISON FOR MASS DOXXING OF REPUBLICANS

  87. “I’ve never heard that the Orlando Sentinel is partisan, but I’m sure that some of the usual Trumpers will be able to fabricate something.”

    According to Media Bias/Fact Check it has a moderate liberal bias.

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/orlando-sentinel/

  88. Overall, we rate the Orlando Sentinel Left-Center Biased based on editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing of information and a clean fact check record.

    So factual but editorially towards the left.

    For example MSNBC

    Overall, we rate MSNBC Left Biased based on story selection that consistently leans left and Mixed for factual reporting due to misinformation from the many guest pundits.

    And Fox News

    Overall, we rate Fox News strongly Right-Biased due to wording and story selection that favors the right and Mixed factually based on poor sourcing and the spreading of conspiracy theories that later must be retracted after being widely shared.

  89. Phantom, on June 20th, 2019 at 3:27 PM Said:
    Reports from partisan sites like Fox News and MSNBC need to be viewed with skepticism.

    Says the man who lives and dies by a paper that has been proven to have told nothing but lies for two years…. lmao

    Do you realize how stupid you sound…..

  90. Michael Savage was one of the earliest supporters of Trump in the media. He still supports Trump, but maybe not as strongly as before.

    He has commented on the Moonie like cult of personality that exists among the Trumpers.

    “To too many people he’s not a human being, he’s a demigod,” Mr. Savage said one afternoon after wrapping up a broadcast from his home studio, which sits on a hilltop overlooking San Francisco Bay. This especially includes his colleagues in the conservative media, he said. “It’s embarrassing to listen to some of these people.”

    Scoffing at the suggestion that he was playing with fire by criticizing the man he once hailed as the “Winston Churchill of our time,” Mr. Savage posed a rhetorical question: “I’m going to get up every morning and do nothing but say how great he is?”

    Michael Savage has doubts about Trump. His audience does not

  91. “Says the man who lives and dies by a paper that has been proven to have told nothing but lies for two years…. lmao”

    A) I’m pretty sure Phantom has said he cancelled his New York Times subscription over the Sarah Yeong hiring

    B) What lies have they told?

  92. Dave Van Zandt….. and 4 grad students are who you are trusting to tell you who to trust…… lol

  93. B) What lies have they told? Trump was a: Crook, an Embezzler, a Russian Spy, committed Treason, rigged the election, was secretly indicted…. etc etc etc

  94. “Trump was a: Crook, an Embezzler, a Russian Spy, committed Treason, rigged the election, was secretly indicted…. etc etc etc”

    Show me the news stories where they lied. The actual stories.

  95. “Dave Van Zandt….. and 4 grad students are who you are trusting to tell you who to trust…… lol”

    You seem to have a problem with the fact checkers. All fact checkers are biased to you. Most likely it is the facts you have a problem with.

  96. no do your research these fact checking firms all have an agenda.

    can’t show you a “news” story from NYT, they haven’t written News in decades, but they did lead the charge along with WaPo on the Print side of the Collusion Lie. Now if you want to pretend they didn’t go right ahead.

  97. “can’t show you a “news” story from NYT, they haven’t written News in decades, but they did lead the charge along with WaPo on the Print side of the Collusion Lie. Now if you want to pretend they didn’t go right ahead.”

    So show me the stories then. Considering how many of them there were I’m sure you can find one or two.

    “no do your research these fact checking firms all have an agenda.”

    Such as?

  98. Seamus,

    //You seem to have a problem with the fact checkers. All fact checkers are biased to you. Most likely it is the facts you have a problem with.//

    Indeed. When Patrick made that scathing post about John McCain’s life, one of the links he provided to back up his claims which highlighted many of John McCain’s aviation mishaps, also pointed out that the claim he’d been responsible for the USS Forrestal fire was total conspiracy theory nonsense. When I pointed this out to Patrick, all of a sudden that article was unreliable and biased.

  99. McCain ( US Navy, decorated Vietnam vet ), Mueller ( USMV, decorated Vietnam vet ) , the worst people that ever lived.

    Good thing that we have honest military men like President Bone Spur to teach us how evil all of his enemies are.

  100. USMC

  101. Phantom

    Indeed. John McCain did some great things in his life, but he also made many mistakes especially when he was a pilot. To doggedly accept a conspiracy theory like him being responsible for the fire on board the USS Forrestal is ridiculous in the extreme.
    I’m not even sure our own Allan would accept this nonsense.

  102. BTW

    This is background on the other guy that the Trumper element villify

    If you ” cross ” the demigod Trump, the libel and slander machine kicks in.

    https://taskandpurpose.com/7-fascinating-facts-robert-muellers-time-vietnam-marine

  103. Is it true that turnip is throwing his cheerleaders from Fox news under the bus?

  104. yes everything I say is a lie, disinformation, based on nonsense…. I must provide the proof that the NYT and WaPo have lead a disinformation campaign of lies against the president.

    Tell me Seamus as an outsider as bright as you that has taken the time to truly look into history, look into how things actually work in the US and posses a decent gift for finding information….

    Do you really believe those twp agencies have been neutral?

    Do you honestly not understand what has happened?

    Truth is stranger than fiction and often less believable that’s why people get away with lies.

    The Clintons started a ball rolling the obama justice dept covered up hillary’s crimes it is that cover up that snowballed into members of the DOJ/NSA/CIA framing and then trying to remove trump from office all to protect those who broke the law in clinton’s favor.

    If she had none of criminal acts the former administration engaged in would ever have come to light.

    Stop looking at the spin and look at facts. Fact 1 Mueller proved beyond a doubt no collusion took place. Fact 2 a conspiracy involving the other campaign and russia did take place. Fact 3 the false information bought from russia was used to violate an American Citizens Civil Rights. Fact 4 atty gen Barr has unfettered access to all the FBI/CIA/NSA/DOJ material on the Hillary Investigation, The FISA court perjury, and all their communications he has convened a grand jury.

    Not a single indictment has yet been announced. So I could be totally wrong….

    do you want to bet on it?

  105. yes Saint Mueller the Marine hurah…. allowed 2 innocent men to die in jail and two to rot to protect a murderer…..

    Barr’s Investigator John Durham Once Probed Mueller in a Shocking Case

    Connecticut U.S. Attorney John Durham was appointed to investigate the origins of the Russia-Trump probe. Apparently, he has been on the job for weeks.

    Durham is the perfect investigator for the job by all accounts and he had experience with Robert Mueller in the Whitey Bulger case. He did not side with Mueller and Mueller’s agents suffered the consequences of Mueller’s, some would say, corrupt leadership.

    THE WHITEY BULGER CASE
    Back in the late 1990s, there were “allegations that FBI informants James ‘Whitey’ Bulger and Stephen ‘The Rifleman’ Flemmi had corrupted their handlers.

    So, in 1999, Janet Reno appointed John Durham as Special Prosecutor and charged him with investigating FBI corruption in Boston.

    As it turned out, FBI agents aided mass murderer, Whitey Bulger and hid his crimes. Bulger was a protected informant.

    Durham sent one agent involved to prison for 10 years.

    Then-US Attorney, Robert Mueller is probably the one who should have landed in the pen. He allowed four innocent men to be sent to prison for a murder he knew they didn’t commit. He did it to protect Bulger.

    One of the four men was in Florida at the time of the murder and could not have committed the murder.

    When Durham went through the documents. He found that the four men, Enrico Tameleo, Joseph Salvati, Peter J. Limone, and Louis Greco, had actually been framed.

    Four people who were innocent were kept in jail for years in order to protect the status of Whitey Bulger as an FBI informant.

    The Boston Globe wrote:
    “[Mike] Albano [former Parole Board Member who was threatened by two F.B.I. agents for considering parole for the men imprisoned for a crime they did not commit] was appalled that, later that same year, Mueller was appointed FBI director, because it was Mueller, first as an assistant US attorney then as the acting U.S. attorney in Boston, who wrote letters to the parole and pardons board throughout the 1980s opposing clemency for the four men framed by FBI lies. Of course, Mueller was also in that position while Whitey Bulger was helping the FBI cart off his criminal competitors even as he buried bodies in shallow graves along the Neponset…”

    In December 2000, Durham revealed secret FBI documents that convinced a judge to vacate the 1968 murder convictions of ”four other FBI informants because they’d been framed by Robert Mueller’s FBI.

    “In 2007,” to help protect Whitey Bulger (that’s what all those people were held in jail for) “the documents helped Salvati, Limone, and the families of the two other men who had died in prison to win a US $101.7 million civil judgment against the government.”

    Durham got the two surviving framed men released from prison.

    Robert Mueller was knee-deep in this scandal, along with Andrew Weissman and the agent sent to prison, but because Reno gave him very limited authority, Durham was not able to prosecute Mueller, who was not in the FBI at the time.

    Mueller kept four innocent people in jail for years to protect the informant status of Whitey Bulger, a mass-murdering Boston mobster who ended up dying in California, and it ended up costing the government $100 million plus in civil judgments.

    ALAN DERSHOWITZ CALLED MUELLER A “ZEALOT”
    Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz, calling Mueller a “zealot,” he reminded Mueller supporters about the former FBI director’s role in protecting “notorious mass murderer” Whitey Bulger as an FBI informant.

    “I think Mueller is a zealot,” Dershowitz told “The Cats Roundtable” on 970 AM-N.Y. “. . . I don’t think he cares whether he hurts Democrats or Republicans, but he’s a partisan and zealot.

    “He’s the guy who kept four innocent people in prison for many years in order to protect the cover of Whitey Bulger as an FBI informer. Those of us in Boston don’t have such high regard for Mueller because we remember this story. The government had to pay out tens of millions of dollars because Whitey Bulger, a notorious mass murderer, became a government informer against the mafia . . .

    “And that’s regarded in Boston of one of the great scandals of modern judicial history. And Mueller was right at the center of it. So, he is not without criticism by people who know him in Boston.”

    HOW DID MUELLER BECOME THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR?
    There were other cases in which Mueller behaved scandalously, here and here. Former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Sydney Powell tells the same story. She calls them creeps on a mission and has a website of the same name detailing the offenses of Mueller and Weissman.

    How did Robert Mueller end up as the Special Prosecutor? Thank a Democrat. The Democrats insisted he was a great man of inviolable character. They said he was the impeccable man and investigator.

    There is also the fact that Rod Rosenstein seems to think well of him.

    You can be sure there are a lot of people losing sleep knowing Durham is on the case. You might have noticed Rod Rosenstein, the former Deputy Attorney General, is out trashing Jim Comey.

    For his part, Jim Comey hasn’t written anything inspirational or anti-Trump on Twitter for four days. He has been giving a lot of public speeches lately. Maybe he should shut up.

  106. “yes everything I say is a lie, disinformation, based on nonsense…. I must provide the proof that the NYT and WaPo have lead a disinformation campaign of lies against the president.”

    The New York Times and the Washington Post have very good reputations for accuracy of reporting. Both are known for being pro-Democratic. The two are not mutually exclusive. A paper or news channel can have an editorial line and still provide accurate reports.

    You have made an accusation that the New York Times have “have told nothing but lies for two years”. I have asked you for one example where they lied. So far you have been unable to provide a single example.

  107. Nancy Gertner is the former United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts. She presided over the lawsuit brought by the two of the four and the family of the other two.

    Based on the voluminous evidence submitted in the trial, and having written a 105-page decision awarding them $101.8 million, I can say without equivocation that Mr. Mueller, who worked in the United States attorney’s office in Boston from 1982 to 1988, including a brief stint as the acting head of the office, had no involvement in that case. He was never even mentioned.

    The case wasn’t about Whitey Bulger but another mobster the F.B.I. was also protecting, the hit man Joseph Barboza, who lied when he testified that the four men had killed Edward Deegan, a low-level mobster, in 1965. Mr. Barboza was covering for the real killers, and the F.B.I. went along because of his importance as an informant.

  108. this is what the Prosecutor says….. the same prosecutor Barr is using to create the indictments now…..

    “In 2007,” to help protect Whitey Bulger (that’s what all those people were held in jail for) “the documents helped Salvati, Limone, and the families of the two other men who had died in prison to win a US $101.7 million civil judgment against the government.”

    Durham got the two surviving framed men released from prison.

    Robert Mueller was knee-deep in this scandal, along with Andrew Weissman and the agent sent to prison, but because Reno gave him very limited authority, Durham was not able to prosecute Mueller, who was not in the FBI at the time.

    Mueller is a dirty cop and I still said during his investigation to let him investigate and if he finds crimes I’ll hand out the pitchforks and torches.

    So the case you’re making is what that Mueller was a great cop, the perfect prosecutor, an exceptional marine….. who found Trump NOT GUILTY so he must be wrong? and Trump is guilty and wasn’t framed…..

    What kind of drugs are you people on? Did they legalize magic mushrooms world wide? and who has mine……

  109. I must share this announcement from our 51st State’s Governor

    https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/1141750724176568322

  110. “this is what the Prosecutor says….. the same prosecutor Barr is using to create the indictments now…..”

    Durham didn’t say that. The Independent Sentinel said that, not Durham.

    Those same documents that Durham found, that led to the release of the two men, and an award of $101.7 million, did not mention Mueller. So says the presiding judge. Her own words, not someone else’s spin on them.

  111. The Independent Sentinel? Some Trumper Fake News blog?

    What do the Turkish medical journals have to say about Mueller?

  112. I just watched a video about how artificial intelligence will probably conquer the human race. Am I the only one who thinks that’s probably a good thing?

    Right. I’m off down the pub before Armageddon.

  113. fine go down all the rabbit holes you want…..

    Trump was’n’t indicted

    This time next year we’ll count up the indictments of those that I say framed him either you two will be proven right or I will.

    In the meantime I’m going to continue to call them as I see them. If you can muster a logical argument why what I am saying isn’t true that’s your problem because so far neither of you have proven me wrong on anything hell you haven’t even tried.

    and you’re still losing.

  114. “and you’re still losing.”

    Still waiting on that example from where the New York Times lied.

  115. hear ya go Seamus

    https://www.nytimes.com/

  116. That’s just the main webpage. Do you have a single example where the New York Times lied? Just one?

  117. I just gave it to you.

  118. No you didn’t. You put up a link to their main webpage. Undoubtedly you thought that was a joke. But it kind of proves even more that you don’t have a single example that they lied. This paper that has “told nothing but lies for two years”. Yet you can’t find a single example of that.

  119. https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiW_Z3y5vjiAhULrlkKHR0mDY4QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fskydancingblog.com%2F2019%2F06%2F11%2Ftuesday-reads-enemies-of-the-people-trump-barr-and-the-nyt%2F&psig=AOvVaw3Osnm41VPnss9rTG-jOsYS&ust=1561145552281833

  120. Phantom your link ain’t right.

    But it’s not a Joke Seamus. The NYT, Wapo, CNN, and MSNBC have all worked in COLLUSION for over two years printing, writing, telling, and showing lies from imaginary sources and fake leaks with people who committed a criminal conspiracy to remove a fairly elected President because THEY didn’t feel he is fit. Even only a third of the dems say he wasn’t framed and they don’t believe he wasn’t but they’re loyalists to their party.

    The House of Cards they built on a lie crumbled and hopefully if my country is to survive those who perpetuated this hoax will be made examples of so it can never happen again.

    If it doesn’t happen then there is no more rule of law. Unlike most of you here… I have faith in the system. Sooner or later Justice will prevail.

  121. It doesn’t lead to a political cartoon that begins with Stalin?

  122. No not Stalin Phantom….. just a small group of misguided fanatics, that’s all it ever usually takes to destroy a nation.

    They all believed they were doing right….. and in the name of doing what was right. They covered up the crimes of one and fabricated crimes on the other…. but it was for the greater good.

    Except Trump won and they’ve been caught…….

    God has a great sense of humor

  123. “But it’s not a Joke Seamus. The NYT, Wapo, CNN, and MSNBC have all worked in COLLUSION for over two years printing, writing, telling, and showing lies from imaginary sources and fake leaks with people who committed a criminal conspiracy to remove a fairly elected President because THEY didn’t feel he is fit.”

    You can keep saying it over and over again. Yet you can’t provide one example of where the New York Times lied.

  124. In some ways, we should all be thankful for Trump. If HC had won, there’d probably be a war on somewhere by now. Despite all the mad warmongers around him, Trump hates military conflict and has so far managed to avoid one, which is rather unique for an American president.

    The Iranians shoot down a US drone and today Trump is already making excuses for them, telling the world that he believes they simply made a mistake. His decision was no doubt helped by Putin again warning him yesterday against taking military action, but in his heart he is a man of peace.

  125. No I refuse to dance around facts by playing games where opinion reported as news is then defended by saying it was just opinion…. that too cute argument dies when it’s based on Treason.

    The Obama administration tried to frame Donald Trump. The MSM especially the NYT and Wapo were complicit in that frame as were CNN & MSNBC. This was the final nail in their lack of credibility. 63 million voters never believed them and a good portion of the majority who voted for the other side (except inbreds from north of Austin) realize they were lied to and it shows in the ratings and circulation….

    The 22 candidates on the Democrat ticket are rearranging deck chairs on the Lusitania each of the upcoming indictments are going to be torpedoes below the waterline.

  126. Well said Noel.

  127. “No I refuse to dance around facts by playing games where opinion reported as news is then defended by saying it was just opinion…. that too cute argument dies when it’s based on Treason”

    So, no, is your answer? You have no examples of where the New York Times lied?

  128. The awful Hillary may well have intervened more in Syria, or some other place.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/19/flashback_2011_hillary_clinton_laughs_about_killing_moammar_gaddafi_we_came_we_saw_he_died.html

  129. The Iranians shooting down a U.S. drone over international waters is big stuff. However the stock markets shook off the news and reached new highs today. Lindsey Graham is bellicose, but Trump remains steady.

    Will the Iranians keep escalating?

  130. wrong I have 1000 examples, 2 1/2 years worth.

    Am I gonna dance with you, phantom, noel, dave, etc over what is a news story and what is an opinion story you’re wrong. and I really don’t care if that satisfies.

    I don’t know if you believe that me saying I believe Trump was framed and presenting an argument that not only was he framed but they should prosecute it under RICO to get the most brutal punishment makes me crazy or just wrong… I know my view has convinced Phantom, NYr, and probably Mahons of that…

    Now I admit they will never use RICO their just isn’t that much of a taste for blood… I’d use it.

    There are going to be multiple indictments, there is a good chance several will be charged with treason on this I would bet my guns on.

  131. “wrong I have 1000 examples, 2 1/2 years worth.”

    Yet you have been unable to provide one single example. Just one. Give me one example were the New York Times lied.

  132. I have a hard time understanding this stock market

    We’ve been in a bull market since 2009

    DJIA
    2009 – 9000
    2016 Election Day – about 24,400
    today closing 26,753

    How high is up

    https://www.google.com/search?q=djia+chart&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS777US777&oq=djia+chart&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.2637j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

  133. “The Iranians shooting down a U.S. drone over international waters is big stuff.”

    The fact that the White House is in de-escalation mode over this would suggest to me that the drone was not in international waters (or at least wasn’t always in international waters).

  134. not unable unwilling…..

  135. “not unable unwilling…..”

    I’m calling bullshit on that one. Unable.

  136. This was a nonstealth drone.

    Roughly the size of a 737 there is no way it can fly except in international airspace. This particular model drone is an unmanned AWACS drone.

    That’s why Trump said he think’s someone screwed up and shot without permission because it was flying in Int Air and it isn’t in anyway stealth only an idiot would have shot it, and he doesn’t believe the Iranians are stupid.

  137. Gold hit a peak of $1854 an ounce in 2011, settled down to $1300 in June 2013 and remains at about that price today.

    Remarkable stability.

    Serious inflation never happened, as the US and world slowly got out of the ditch.

    https://goldprice.org/gold-price-chart.html

  138. Phantom, this market has me a bit worried. Can a correction, or bear market be far off? As they say, trees don’t grow to the sky. Another tidbit. Stocks bought on margin are at their highest level since 1929.

  139. “Roughly the size of a 737 there is no way it can fly except in international airspace. This particular model drone is an unmanned AWACS drone.”

    Bit silly to suggest it can’t be used in hostile airspace. The same model was deployed against North Korea. It is also about a quarter of the size of a 737.

  140. Charles

    I dunno.

    There is the ( US ) economy of today, which is OK, and there is the economy that is rapidly coming upon us. Massive technical change in cars, AI, all that. It’s hard to properly understand it.

    Look at the complete disruption we’ve had in industry with the internet, or even just the phone.

    Maybe the smart guys see many companies as being more profitable.

    But I could see many being less profitable, with much more -world- competition from more world competitors. In industries like cars or a thousand others https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/10/is-fast-fast-enough-for-vinfast-vietnams-first-automaker.html

    Great companies are very international these days, and I don’t know why they’re not more concerned about the trade battles

    I have no predictions. But this ten year bull market has been a force of nature. When the market crashed ten years ago, many took all their money out of the stock market, understandably so. Bet they wish they hadn’t done that.

  141. It’s confusing for me when Amazon is the largest retailer, and has no stores, and Uber is the largest transportation company, and owns no vehicles!

  142. Yes yes yes.

    The other week I landed at Nashville. I walked two blocks to where the taxi rank and ” app transit ” ( Uber and Lyft ) pickup places were. 80% of the people went to the app pickup location.

    I used Lyft. The fare was reasonable, and a minute after I got out of the car, I had a receipt in my inbox.


    A few days ago, I wanted to buy a small bit of exercise equipment. I didn’t like anything hin the local store. I looked on Amazon, and saw the exact thing that I wanted. I ordered it from an Amazon sub vendor in Kansas, and it arrived today.

    These companies are seriously great. They’re not just cheaper than what came before, but they’re better in very many ways

  143. Can a correction, or bear market be far off?

    Charles

    A stock market correction (usually defined as a fall of at least 20%) is inevitable at some point and current valuations suggest that it cannot be far off on Wall Street.

    Phantom has pointed out the disruptive factors which are driving us into a new economy but I would respectfully suggest that the influence of central banks is at least as important as the influence of Amazon and Uber. As in central banks keeping the flow of cheap credit going for over a decade now and maybe another decade to come.

    Last week my daughter asked me if she and her husband should sign up to a three year fixed rate mortgage at (I think) 1.75% in case rates are going to rise. I told her it was probably a good bet but that the next move in UK rates will be downwards, as they will be in the USA and the EU. I wouldn’t mind a bet that all three will be back to zero rates and quantative easing by the end of 2020 if not sooner. But even that may not be enough to prevent a serious recession:

    “I recently wrote a piece that was widely read called “Why You Should Not Underestimate The Severity Of The Coming Recession.” In that piece, I argued that the odds of a recession in the not-too-distant future were increasing rapidly and that mainstream economists are incorrect for assuming that it will be a mere ebb of the business cycle rather than a more powerful economic crisis like we experienced in 2008 or even worse. The reason why I am worried about a much more powerful than usual recession is because of the tremendous risks – namely bubbles and debt – that have built up globally in the past decade due to ultra-stimulative central bank policies. In the current piece, I will argue that the probability of a recession in the next year may be even higher than indicated by the popular New York Fed recession probability model that many economists follow…”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-19/why-odds-recession-next-year-are-even-higher-you-think

  144. But a correction is always ineveitable!

    I endorse the cheap credit policy that has existed, it save the world’s economic bacon after 2008. Things could have been so very much worse.

  145. /The fact that the White House is in de-escalation mode over this would suggest to me that the drone was not in international waters (or at least wasn’t always in international waters).//

    That’s just what I was thinking too. The Iranians also claim that they picked up pieces of the drone in their territorial waters. They also immediately went rushing to the UN to complain about the intrusion, which suggests they have a case.

    These things apparently cost over 200 million Dollars each. Ah well, shit happens.

  146. If it was over Iranian waters, the US has no grounds for complaint as respects the drone being shot down.

    I’m sure that we all agree on that.

  147. Thanks for that Phantom, Peter.

  148. If it was over Iranian waters, the US has no grounds for complaint

    Are you sure Phantom? Bolton will see it differently.

    #Gulf of Tonkin

  149. I endorse the cheap credit policy that has existed, it save the world’s economic bacon after 2008. Things could have been so very much worse.

    So do we need cheap credit forever? Savers have been robbed ever since 2008 and are continuing to be robbed and new bubbles are emerging in the stock market and property as a result of free borrowing costs. There is no honest price discovery when interest rates are permanently suppressed by central banks. The Wall Street guys can continue to speculate like crazy because they know that the Fed has their back, and that Trump regards the Dow index as his presidential scorecard. He was bragging about it in Florida at his campaign launch this week.

  150. I don’t know if savers have been robbed

    If the economy had collapsed. As nearly happened, what real good would money have done you?

    And “ savings “ These days Is not only money in the bank . People save by holding Stocks via mutual funds, and/or in 401(k) retirement plans.

    Those savings vehicles have increased in value

  151. Peter

    “Savers have been robbed ever since 2008”. Where have these savers put their money? If it is a bank savings account they should have invested in higher yield places.

    Interest rates are low and that is generally a good thing. In the US the Fed may lower rates once or twice before the end of the year. I think low interest rates make things more efficient. If you are arguing for higher rates, what are the reasons?

  152. The Iranians seem to be slapping Trump in the face and he just sloughs it off. If Trump has a plan for dealing with the situation, it is not apparent. He pulled out of the nuclear deal and now has to go it alone which is never a good position to be in.

  153. It was never about strategy. He doesn’t have a strategy for Iran. The nuclear deal was negotiated by Obama. It could have been the greatest thing since sliced bread and he’d still have got rid of it because it was Obama’s. Better a Trump war than an Obama peace.

    He has alienated himself from virtually every partner countries. His only international support is coming from a country that cuts journalists into little pieces and hates Iran for sectarian reasons, and a country who’s leader would literally start World War III to distract his populace from his ongoing corruption scandal during an election.

  154. //His only international support is coming from a country that cuts journalists into little pieces and hates Iran for sectarian reasons, and a country who’s leader would literally start World War III to distract his populace from his ongoing corruption scandal //

    Curiously, two countries based on religious identity.

    But, still, Trump is a peacenik and that is a good thing. I think the good man is being pulled apart by, on the one hand, Putin wanting him to avoid a war and the Israeli faction wanting him to start one, but so far his heart of peace has prevailed.

  155. Bit silly to suggest it can’t be used in hostile airspace. The same model was deployed against North Korea. It is also about a quarter of the size of a 737.

    It can fly whever it wants my point was it isn’t stealth wherever it flies you can see it.

  156. you won’t see quantitative easing(printing of money out of air) in the US again unless the dems have the white house. A fixed rate of anything below 3% take it and run….

    The trade war isn’t effecting the market because it is not a trade war it’s a negotiation tactic the market is viewing it accordingly.

    You will see hiccups in the market will it will drop 5-15% but recover within a quarter. The time to really worry about the market are two events that are coming. War in the Gulf and the government using antitrust against the big three.

  157. You won’t see quantitative easing under the Republicans because they have the good fortune of losing the elections when their shit hits the fan and the dems have to do the clean up

  158. yeah keep telling yourself that….

  159. Noel

    Trump has tweeted that he called off the attacks, 10 minutes before the strikes.

    President Trump confirmed early Friday that he called off a retaliatory attack on Iran in response to the downing of a U.S. drone “10 minutes before the strike,” saying the number of expected casualties was not “proportionate” to what Tehran did.

    In a stunning tweet thread, the president said the U.S. was “cocked & loaded to retaliate” against three sites, but he reversed course after asking military leaders about how many would be killed.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-called-off-retaliatory-strike-against-iran-in-last-minute-wsj

  160. The process was imperfect, but the quantitative easing saved the US and world economy.

    The country owes Bernanke and others a debt of gratitude.

  161. Charles

    Leadership by gut is going to get us into a war that we can’t get out of.

    We need a strong president and a strong Secretary of Defense, and we don’t have either.

    It would be very useful to have Mattis still in there right around now.

  162. In the middle of all this, Trump has spent his morning sending rage tweets about ” the failing NY Times ”

    He’s not paying attention to anything apart from his endless vendetta and insult campaigns

  163. Phantom, It sounds like you want the US to attack. Trump said that the called off plan “would take more lives that was proportionate to what Iran did.”

    Isn’t this the sign of a thoughtful leader?

  164. I don’t want the US to attack.

    The president authorized a US attack and then thought better of it, withdrawing the authorization.

    That’s no way to run a railroad.

    This was very close to disaster.

    Trump is acting on whim and hunch, and the warmonger Bolton is still near the reins of power, where he should never be.

  165. I see. Good man. Well, I’m off to the market!

  166. Mattis supported the Iran deal, and, like most warriors, would be very slow to begin war.

    He is missed.

    Happy shopping.

  167. Trump now apparently stopped the attacks after they were ordered when he heard they would kill 150 people, which he deemed appropriate.

    It’s hard to imagine another US president being swayed by the prospect of 150 Iranian deaths, so well done.

    At any rate, mahons may have to revise his post. Donald is becoming more Jesus-like by the day.

    BTW, can anyone imagine the howls of “lily-livered wimp” etc from the warmonger contingent if a president like Obama had backed off at the last moment. They’s be posting on it every day of his two terms.

  168. Trump now apparently stopped the attacks after they were ordered when he heard they would kill 150 people

    IF that’s the truth as opposed to an ego trip then Trump deserves to be congratulated.

  169. Iran just has to wait for the edifice to collapse in on itself……

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/illegal-immigrants-from-52-countries-crossed-u-s-mexico-border-this-year-top-official-says

    The U.S. Border Patrol chief testified Thursday that migrants from 52 countries have illegally crossed the border this year as she described an agency “overwhelmed on a daily basis” by the escalating crisis.

    Now the invasion could be stopped, but the Establishment wants to develop the crisis

    A Senate panel on Wednesday approved a $4.6 billion request for funding to tackle the humanitarian crisis at the border, but only after including a condition that none of the money be used for a border wall.

    The shit of the planet knows that it can get into the US across the southern border, and the US will collapse as intended. I don’t want it to collapse – I want a predominantly-white US just as has been since its foundation, but (((somebody))) wants to break it, and one sees that the US is breaking when……

    https://dailystormer.name/180-haitians-cross-southern-border-senators-approve-4-6-billion-emergency-deal/

    Fox News:

    Border Patrol agents are tackling a new influx of migrants from Haiti coming across the U.S. border, an unexpected change from the anticipated flow from Central America that has strained the U.S. immigration system.

    Over the past week, more than 180 Haitians have been arrested by Border Patrol agents at the Del Rio Station in Texas, a figure greater than the number of Haitians apprehended over the past three years nationwide, a Department of Homeland Security official told Fox News Wednesday.

  170. Phantom, on June 21st, 2019 at 2:41 PM Said:
    The process was imperfect, but the quantitative easing saved the US and world economy.

    The country owes Bernanke and others a debt of gratitude.

    Bullshit it destroyed the middle class and home and small business ownership the only people helped were crony capitalists.

  171. Phantom, on June 21st, 2019 at 2:45 PM Said:
    In the middle of all this, Trump has spent his morning sending rage tweets about ” the failing NY Times ”

    He’s not paying attention to anything apart from his endless vendetta and insult campaigns

    Unlike you some people can walk and chew gum.

  172. Phantom, on June 21st, 2019 at 2:53 PM Said:
    I don’t want the US to attack.

    The president authorized a US attack and then thought better of it, withdrawing the authorization.

    That’s no way to run a railroad.

    This was very close to disaster.

    Trump is acting on whim and hunch, and the warmonger Bolton is still near the reins of power, where he should never be.

    I don’t want an attack but…… lmao….

  173. Fullstory as I’ve heard it with my view added in.

    The Iranians shot a drone….. Everyone held their breath waiting to see what Trump would do…. he didn’t do an attack.

    Fuller story the Iranians shot a drone, Trump called in the heads of congress and dhs and said we have three targets we are going to hit in x amount of hours.

    Members of Congress starts spinning immediately in the Press…. The Russians observe three attack groups being prepared….. they prep including warning their ally a strike is on the way. Everything is fired up birds are launched missile tube doors are opened and ten minutes before ZERO he calls it off……

    Which if you’ve been paying attention was his intention the whole time and has been.

    Obama drew a RED LINE and did nothing when it was crossed. Trump drew a redline also…. Harm a hair on one Americans head and the response will be massive….. (gee where have you heard that philosophy before?) The drone was a piece of HARDWARE no lives lost no redline crossed.

    But lets have fun and scare the shit out the Iranians and the Russians while F**king with the Dems.

    Personally I would have pulled the trigger, but hey I’m not the President….

    Trump was against the Iraq War, he ran on trying to stay out of foreign engagements he has already proven he will strike ask Syria and ISIS. He says he wants to negotiate with the Iranians that’s part of what Abe was supposed to say when Iran screwed up and bombed two tankers, now they shot down a drone and Trump has repeated He wants to negotiate….

    What happens now? Do the Iranians negotiate knowing they just almost got smacked or does it embolden them to actually shed American blood…. ?

    Balls in their court.