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ATW QOTD

By Pete Moore On June 28th, 2019

“Let everyone be happy, we have no problem with that. But this must not be allowed to overshadow the culture, traditions and traditional family values of millions of people making up the core population.”

– Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

Vladimir Putin is so wise. In an interview with the FT he blasted degenerate left-liberalism as “obsolete” and multiculturalism as “no longer tenable”. My only quibble is that so-called multiculturalism was never tenable, but always a hateful ideology.

You can see why the likes of the controversial and degenerate British state broadcaster hate him. (Our) culture, traditions and traditional family values are everything they hate.

The full interview is here. He makes genuinely interesting observations on why so-called populism now dominates much of the West.

32 Responses to “ATW QOTD”

  1. “In his interview with the FT, Putin remarks that: “The liberal idea has become obsolete. It has come into conflict with the interests of the overwhelming majority of the population.”

    A system that still commands majority support is hardly obsolete. For all its faults, the western establishment still submits to free and fair elections – unlike certain other regimes one could mention. As for “conflicting with the interests of the majority” that’s an inevitable feature of liberalism, because individual interests inevitably and continually conflict with one another.

    Liberal systems therefore have to find a way of bringing order if not resolution to these conflicts. As things stand, it is clear that most people still think they have more to gain from the established order of priorities than any alternative. The danger though is that there is a growing number who don’t – hence rising support for the kind of politics that promises a substantial reordering of priorities. The identity politics of the woke Left and the chauvinistic protectionism of Donald Trump might not seem to have much in common, but both are about changing the rules for arbitrating the conflicts of liberalism.

    Rather than becoming obsolete, the real danger facing liberalism is that it will become inflexible – fossilised around a particular framework of rules, which an angry minority feel they have no chance of ever changing.”

    https://unherd.com/2019/06/the-liberals-are-falling-into-putins-trap/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups%5B0%5D=18743&tl_period_type=3

  2. Peter –

    It should be noted that Putin is not talking about (classical) liberalism, but the hateful, intolerant so-called left-liberalism. Which isn’t liberal at all.

    I do wish left wingers would stop holding the moniker “liberalism” captive.

  3. I totally agree that the whole “woke” thing has become an agent of intolerance and anti-liberal control. Anyone who dares to query the whole Trans concept will have a Twitter lynch mob on their case within hours.

  4. yes yes the tolerant Vlad…..

    Mikhail Lesin

    Alexander Litvinenko

    Anna Politkovskaya

    Natalia Estemirova

    Stanislav Markelov

    Anastasia Baburova

    Boris Nemtsov

    Boris Berezovsky

    Paul Klebnikov

    Sergei Yushenkov etc etc etc……

  5. Well said Patrick. And of course the Salisbury nerve agent attack last year was a serious provocation, to use a word that Putin himsel is very fond of.

  6. More news today on the Salisbury provocation:

    “A senior Russian military intelligence officer commanded the team suspected of the Salisbury poisoning, evidence uncovered by the BBC’s Newsnight and the investigative website Bellingcat suggests.

    Details of the “third man’s” trip to London in March 2018 have been assembled after the investigative website obtained his phone records and shared them with the BBC. In February, Bellingcat published information identifying Denis Sergeyev as a man who travelled to London under the false identity of Sergei Fedotov.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48801205

  7. And of course the Salisbury nerve agent attack last year was a serious provocation……

    and amazing beyond belief. It takes a lot of wilfull credulity to continue to believe the narrative:

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/03/pure-ten-points-i-just-cant-believe-about-the-official-skripal-narrative/

    I received more information from my original FCO source, who had told me, correctly, that Porton Down could not and would not attest that the “novichok” sample was made in Russia, and explained that the formulation “of a type developed by Russia” was an agreed Whitehall line to cover this up.

    She wanted to explain to me that the British government was pulling a similar trick over the use of the word “pure”. The OPCW report had concluded that the sample provided to them by the British government was “of high purity” with an “almost complete absence of impurities”. This had been spun by the British government as evidence that the novichok was “military grade” and could only be produced by a state.

    But actually that is not what the OPCW technical experts were attempting to signal. The sample provided to the OPCW had allegedly been swabbed from the Skripals’ door handle. It had been on that door handle for several days before it was allegedly discovered there. In that time it had been contacted allegedly by the hands of the Skripals and of DC Bailey, and the gloves of numerous investigators. It had of course been exposed to whatever film of dirt or dust was on the door handle. It had been exposed to whatever pollution was in the rain and whatever dust and pollen was blowing around. In these circumstances, it is incredible that the sample provided “had an almost complete absence of impurities”.

    A sample cannot have a complete absence of impurities after being on a used doorknob, outdoors, for several days. The sample provided was, on the contrary, straight out of a laboratory.

    The government’s contention that “almost complete absence of impurities” meant “military grade” was complete nonsense. There is no such thing as “military grade” novichok. It has never been issued to any military, anywhere. The novichok programme was designed to produce an organo-phosphate poison which could quickly be knocked up from readily available commercial ingredients. It was not part of an actual defence industry manufacturing programme.

    There is a final problem with the “of high purity” angle. First we had the Theresa May story that the “novichok” was extremely deadly, many times more deadly than VX, in minute traces. Then, when the Skripals did not die, it was explained to us that this was because it had degraded in the rain. This was famously put forward by Dan Kaszeta, formerly of US Intelligence and the White House and self-proclaimed chemical weapons expert – which expertise has been strenuously denied by real experts.

    What we did not know then, but we do know now, is that Kaszeta was secretly being paid to produce this propaganda by the British government via the Integrity Initiative.

    So the first thing I cannot believe is that the British government produced a sample with an “almost complete absence of impurities” from several days on the Skripals’ doorknob. Nor can I believe that if “extremely pure” the substance therefore was not fatal to the Skripals.

    And when the stricken Skripals were sick in the park, “the very first person to discover the Skripals on the park bench in Salisbury just happened to be the Chief Nurse of the British Army, who chanced to be walking past them on her way back from a birthday party. How lucky was that? The odds are about the same as the chance of my vacuum cleaner breaking down just before James Dyson knocks at my door to ask for directions. There are very few people indeed in the UK trained to give nursing care to victims of chemical weapon attack, and of all the people who might have walked past, it just happened to be the most senior of them!”

    Amazing, amazing beyond belief – but Peter believes

  8. evidence uncovered by the BBC’s Newsnight and the investigative website Bellingcat suggests.

    Firstly, the BBC…..

    6) Mark Urban/Pablo Miller

    The BBC’s “Diplomatic Editor” is a regular conduit for the security services. He fronted much of the BBC’s original coverage of the Skripal story. Yet he concealed from the viewers the fact that he had been in regular contact with Sergei Skripal for months before the alleged poisoning, and had held several meetings with Skripal.

    This is extraordinary behaviour. It was the biggest news story in the world, and news organisations, including the BBC, were scrambling to fill in the Skripals’ back story. Yet the journalist who had the inside info on the world’s biggest news story, and was actually reporting on it, kept that knowledge to himself. Why? Urban was not only passing up a career defining opportunity, it was unethical of him to continually report on the story without revealing to the viewers his extensive contacts with Skripal.

    The British government had two immediate reactions to the Skripal incident. Within the first 48 hours, it blamed Russia, and it slapped a D(SMA) notice banning all media mention of Skripal’s MI6 handler, Pablo Miller. By yet another one of those extraordinary coincidences, Miller and Urban know each other well, having both been officers together in the Royal Tank Regiment, of the same rank and joining the Regiment the same year.

    What an amazing coincidence!

    http://www.twipu.com/DocPakistan/tweet/1075736760284528640

    DoC
    @DocPakistan
    6 months ago

    Quoted @MichaKobs

    Mark Urban and Pablo Miller side by side as officers of the 4th Royal Tank Regiment in Munster 1979. http://www.4and7royaltankregiment.com/1974-1981/ Revealed by Pablo Miller’s Email address in the #IntegrityInitiative documents about a meeting with the #WhiteHelmets. What a small world.

    Can the BBC tell us where the Skripals are?

  9. It takes a lot of wilfull credulity to continue to believe the narrative:

    It takes even more wilfull credulity to continue to believe Putin-Groupie Craig Murray against all the evidence that points to Putin as the instigator of the Salisbury provocation. Never mind all the other mysterious deaths of Putin enemies in Blighty. Here is one, just a week after Salisbury:

    “Counter-terrorism police have opened an investigation into the “unexplained” death on British soil of an arch enemy of Vladimir Putin, just eight days after the nerve gas assassination attempt on a Russian double agent. Nikolai Glushkov, 68, the right-hand man of the deceased oligarch Boris Berezovsky, Mr Putin’s one-time fiercest rival, was found dead at his London home on Monday.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/13/russian-businessman-close-associate-ofboris-berezovsky-found/

  10. Can the BBC tell us where the Skripals are?

    Can Putin tell us where their would-be murderers are? We know who they are but he knows where they are.

  11. It takes even more wilfull credulity to continue to believe Putin-Groupie Craig Murray against all the evidence

    Peter – you’re one of the ‘science-men’ at ATW. How exactly does the most dangerous nerve agent in the world get brought into the UK on a 4-hour flight, passes through security in a bottle of perfume, gets put onto a door-handle by a bloke wearing ordinary clothes, said Novichok gets absorbed by targets who then, after 3 hours, suddenly get sick in a park only to be aided by the most senior nurse in the British Army? That’s what you are told to believe, and you believe it.

  12. If the British Army nurse (actually her daughter) discovering the victims of the Salisbury attack was such an oh my God this can’t be true it must be a conspiracy, as you claim, then why would that information be allowed to get out (simply so the daughter could receive an award)? How many international conspiracies are outed by the daughter of one of the conspirators getting awarded for her role in the conspiracy?

  13. Multiculturalism as “no longer tenable”

    Coming from Russia, the biggest country in the world, spanning Europe & Asia, dozens of different regional languages and scores of different ethnicities?

  14. Seamus – just what are the odds?

    https://www.spirefm.co.uk/news/local-news/2782928/exclusive-teenage-girl-describes-moment-she-found-collapsed-skripals/

    Abigail McCourt has spoken about the Salisbury Novichok incident for the very first time.

    The 16 year old, from Larkhill, was the first to spot two people collapsed on a bench in the Maltings on March 4th and didn’t hesitate to help.

    Abigail believed Sergei Skripal was having a heart attack.

    The teen, who was out celebrating her brother’s birthday quickly alerted her mum who is a nurse and together they gave first aid to the two Russians until paramedics arrived.

    “….alerted her mum, who is a nurse and together…..” How near was the British Army’s senior nurse? She must have been yards away, certainly nearer than anybody else.

    What are the odds……?

    And there’s also the most world’s most deadly toxin of which pure samples were recovered from the Skripals’ front-door handle – and yet they survived? A bloke in ordinary clothing just put it there from a perfume bottle and yet being near this stuff requiresfully-isolative clothing and breathing apparatus.

    It’s a psy-op to engender anti-Russian sentiment in the dopey masses. As is clear, Russia and most of eastern Europe want no part in the program that is destroying the west.

  15. So Allan who’s the Better President Putin or Trump?

  16. “Seamus – just what are the odds?”

    No idea. But again what are the odds of an international conspiracy being foiled by a teenage girl getting an award?

  17. No idea.

    Of course you have no idea. It would never occur to you to question what the government tells you.

    Putin is absolutely right, and the evidence is placed before us. Here is an example of how degeneracy is the purpose

    http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2019/06/stormzy-talentless-tool-of-establishment.html#more

    I couldn’t resist taking a bite out of the low hanging fruit that is the annual Glastonbury pop music festival. My favourite howler was the makeshift banner demanding open borders which hung on Glasto’s new £3 Million fence to keep out any unruly plebs who could not afford the extortionate price of the ticket in.

    The most socially conscious demographic in history is, strangely enough, the least self aware and if that means railing against pollution while casually filling up a scenic chunk of the English landscape then so be it.

    Seamus – that’s you 🙂

  18. Allan,

    Bless your heart but do you actually understand what evidence is? Do you know the difference between facts and opinions?

  19. “It would never occur to you to question what the government tells you.”

    I question everything. You question nothing. You simply regurgitate what ever bollocks some far right website is suggesting.

    The simple fact is that if Salisbury was some conspiracy then why would that conspiracy be undone by allowing the daughter of one of the conspirators to get an award? It simply wouldn’t have been allowed to happen.

    “Seamus – that’s you 🙂”

    I’ve never been the Glastonbury.

  20. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a4992751fe7bafaf7470f0fe6d9d96abe01b4d68ab0d2a0f6c02743317d4e4c.jpg

    Wow – Stormzy should replace Mozart. How degenerate is that!!

    Reg – is it opinion that a makeshift banner demanding open borders was hung on Glasto’s new £3 Million fence to keep out any unruly plebs who could not afford the extortionate price of the ticket in?

    is it opinion that a study states that Mozart should be replaced by Stormzy? Btw his ‘lyrics’ are attached so feel free, have a look.

  21. It’s a psy-op to engender anti-Russian sentiment in the dopey masses. As is clear, Russia and most of eastern Europe want no part in the program that is destroying the west

    Absolutely magnificent.

  22. Putin said……

    “This liberal idea presupposes that nothing needs to be done. That migrants can kill, plunder and rape with impunity because their rights as migrants have to be protected. Every crime must have its punishment. The liberal idea has become obsolete. It has come into conflict with the interests of the overwhelming majority of the population.”

    He’s wrong on this one. The migrants are soon to outnumber the indigenous and those who kill, plunder and rape with impunity shall become the majority……

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/schools-pupils-and-their-characteristics-january-2019

    See second sub-link, Table 5: This is for nursery school starts

    White Overall: 58.8%
    White British: 49.9%
    White Irish: 0.2%
    Roma: 0.2%
    White, Other: 8.4%

    Mixed: 9.6%
    Asian: 17.3%
    Black: 8.9%
    Chinese: 0.7%
    Other: 3.2%

    Fortunately, the NHS is getting whites ready for the onslaught which we’re already seeing….

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d46f417bc0f2c234ffc4948ccdda26522f0a8b9ad2b6a6181899776d78bcc303.jpg

    I cannot imagine such a poster ever being needed in a civilised country

  23. Absolutely magnificent.

    Thanks Paul – appreciated 🙂

  24. Putin is shown to be right – here is total degeneracy:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7196151/Pride-sees-cities-globe-burst-rainbow-colours-millions-enjoy-LGBT-celebrations.html

    One good point emerges from the degradation of the west and it is this: the degeneracy is everywhere including armed forces and the point shall soon be reached where western NATO forces will be unable to impose ‘democracy’ on decent peoples who resist, such as Iran, Russia, China – and soon, Italy, Hungary, Slovakia…… The US cannot even protect its borders so not long until it won’t be able to threaten Iran, Russia and China.

  25. Come on Allan, be honest. You only posted that Daily Mail link to see if we could spot you in one of the photos 🙂

  26. What would mad Vlad say?

    https://twitter.com/PoliceServiceNI/status/1144991886664486913

  27. What would mad Vlad say?

    Here’s what he said……

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/60836

    I am not trying to insult anyone, because we have been condemned for our alleged homophobia as it is. But we have no problems with LGBT persons. God forbid, let them live as they wish. But some things do appear excessive to us.

    They claim now that children can play five or six gender roles. I cannot even say exactly what genders these are, I have no notion. Let everyone be happy, we have no problem with that. But this must not be allowed to overshadow the culture, traditions and traditional family values of millions of people making up the core population.

    I reckon that Putin is as dismayed by these freak-shows as every other decent person. Degeneracy in the ‘west’ is winning, but its victory will be the collapse of the west.

  28. But we have no problems with LGBT persons. God forbid, let them live as they wish. But some things do appear excessive to us.

    So cops marching in a Pride event won’t destroy civilisation then.

  29. Paul – police should be ensuring that order is maintained without having to endorse the degenerate message. Gays can have their marches but why is it that police are marching IN the ‘pride’ march?

  30. I imagine they’re marching in the march to show that some Peelers are gay too. Not only that but it was the Dublin march that the PSNI were marching in.

  31. It reminds me of Barry Goldwater’s observation on gays in the military. “You don’t have to be straight to shoot straight.”

  32. Goldwater? Hmmmmmmmm-

    I think it’s fairly safe to guess which way this is going to go.