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The North approached from the South

By Patrick Van Roy On July 1st, 2019

The South approached from the North.

The Battle of Gettysburg was fought July 1–3, 1863, in and around the town of Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, by Union and Confederate forces during the American Civil War. The battle involved the largest number of casualties of the entire war and is often described as the war’s turning point. Union Maj. Gen. George Meade’s Army of the Potomac defeated attacks by Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia, halting Lee’s invasion of the North.

23 Responses to “The North approached from the South”

  1. The wrong side won in an unnecessary brothers’ war – but the banks did well.

    Anyway, here’s the more recent battle of Hyde Park:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=25&v=6fjMguxJfac

    Over at Morgoth’s Review, the entirely middle-class, up-their-own-arses white crowd at the Glastonbury Music Festival is noted as

    …..literally the whitest public gathering in England. Whiter than Royal Ascot or the Boat Race. Even the BBC can’t find a coloured face to zoom in on. It can only be a matter of time before #GlastonburySoWhite starts trending and they are forced to bus in some inner city youths and give them free tickets for a bit of stabby stabby and ficki ficki. We’ll see how the shitlibs like that.

  2. I used to have more admiration for Robert E Lee than I have now

    He was a slaveholder – not unusual for a Virginian – who treated his slaves cruelly, including those who had escaped

    And Picketts charge was very bad generalship.

  3. //He was a slaveholder – not unusual for a Virginian //

    When slavery made economic sense there were few who resisted the temptation. Andrew Johnson, who was Lincoln’s vice president during the American Civil War, owned slaves, and even tried to get his boss to exclude Tennessee from his emancipation proclamation so as to protect his slave inventory.
    After Lincoln was killed he became President.

    Leading Union general Ulysses Grant also owned slaves.

  4. Correct.

    Grant had I believe one slave, which he obtained via marriage?

    He grew to hate the institution and gave the man his freedom

  5. Aye, Grant’s Presidency saw him become increasingly radical in the 19th century American version of the word. Not only anti slavery but increasingly in favour of increasing the rights of the recently freed black population.

    The problem with Lee is not just the issues with the man himself but the attempts by Southern revisionists to position him as this great guy who just did his duty. He was central (not through his own choice) to the Lost Cause myth that came to dominate Southern society following the end of Reconstruction.

  6. Lee urged the defeated confederates not to resist any more, but to become reconciled in the union.

    Had he not done that, history could have been much worse than it was.

    I gotta give him that.

  7. Though he did continue to argue that the United States should not give blacks the vote.

  8. Yes.

  9. There were many reunions of north and south soldiers over the years, many of them became great friends ( some of them would have been friends all along )

    Astonishingly one such reunion was held in 1938, at Gettysburg, so many years later

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Gettysburg_reunion

  10. I’m always concerned at attempts to judge historical characters by modern norms. Obviously by modern norms Robert E Lee was a monster of epic proportions. But then so were many of his “good” contemporaries.

    However even by contemporary standards Lee was not exactly a pleasant individual. When his father-in-law died he became the executor of Washington/Custis estate which owned hundreds of slaves. He overruled his father-in-law’s wishes that the slaves be emancipated, nearly caused a slave revolt due to his brutality, and broke up all of the families on the plantation (some of whom had been together since George Washington owned the plantation).

    “Astonishingly one such reunion was held in 1938, at Gettysburg, so many years later”

    Hard to think of it. That at a time when most modern history was being written (the infancy of the Second World War) that there were still people alive who fought in the US Civil War.

  11. I only learned of that Lee’s treatment of slaves very recently.

  12. Likewise. The Douglas Freeman autobiography had for a long time been considered the definitive work on Lee and, given the new evidence that has come to light, is, at very best, an embellishment of the truth if not a downright fabrication.

  13. *biography not autobiography

  14. Lee was one on the most respected Generals before the war, definitely one of the most popular. A graduate of West Point not the best Academic he did get his degree in engineering, but he was one of only 5 of his peers to make it through the academy without a sing demerit.

    When the succession started Lee was torn between love of country and love of Virginia. He chose Virginia. This incensed his fellow generals and peers.

    Another West Pointer, Engineer, and General, General Montgomery C. Meigs a Proud Philadelphian was tasked with finding burial space for the Civil War Dead as a statement of his disgust with Lee he seized Lee’s family home and started burying the Dead in Lee’s front yard. Which was the birth of Arlington Cemetery, Lee’s family home.

  15. General Lee was stationed at Fort Hamilton, near me, as a young officer.

    The small base is still there, and on it is a ” General Lee Avenue “. I walked down it this past summer.

    Every so often, the professional complainers demand that the name be changed.

    https://gothamist.com/2017/06/20/general_lee_avenue.php

    Stonewall Jackson was stationed at Fort Hamilton also. It was once strategically important, stationed at the mouth of NY harbor.

    https://www.thebalancecareers.com/fort-hamilton-new-york-3344670

    The base is now mainly used to ” process ” those enlisting in the military.

  16. Jacksons death right before Gettysburg severely effected Lee both tactically and mentally.

  17. //as a statement of his disgust with Lee he seized Lee’s family home and started burying the Dead in Lee’s front yard. Which was the birth of Arlington Cemetery//

    Fascinating. I’ve been to Arlington but didn’t know that.

  18. At Appomattox Grant said the South fought bravely for one of the worst causes ever. He was right, and any analysis of Lee should note that. I don’t know if all of the claims about his alleged personal cruelty are entirely credible. I’ve walked that battlefied. It is impressive.

  19. I would take the talk of his cruelty with a grain of salt. The reason his leading the confederate army was such a bone of contention because he was not the most brilliant of men but one of impeccable honor and he turned his back on his nation he did it for his Virginia. His heading the Confederate Army gave it Legitimacy.

    That was his sin.

  20. Mahons the Rebel Cavalry is said to have been the best every seen. The majority had no uniforms but soldier for soldier gave as good or better usually than they got.

  21. I don’t know if they were the best ever seen but the certainly enjoyed the advantage over the Union in the first half of the war (that advantage waned as the war went on). One of the great failures was Jeb Stuart who failed Lee at Gettsburg by not serving as his eyes when he went too far afield.

  22. I assume you saw the movie with Martin Sheen and Jeff Daniels. It can be slow but overall it was well done.

  23. agreed on both points.

    The south’s problem was always attrition logistically they couldn’t field an Army against the Northern States. The reason it lasted so long was McClellan’s refusal to fight. He invented the military joke “Hurry up and Wait” and not on purpose.

    After his removal from command things shifted dramatically. Both sides could fight equally the south could not supply itself let alone a military the northern states could do both.