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RAUS! RAUS!

By Pete Moore On July 11th, 2019

The BBC’s Panorama programme last night exposed the shocking extent of antisemitism in the institutionally antisemitic Labour Party. We are all shocked to learn that these pro-terrorist antisemites are antisemitic.

Cue the press awaiting Jeremy Corbyn this morning at his gate. The door opens, someone’s coming, it’s .. it’s .. a women ranting away and waving her arms around. She’s clearly mad. More than that, is she raving in Spanish? The man’s a complete shambles.

Cannot breathe

12 Responses to “RAUS! RAUS!”

  1. Don’t spoil the ending, I haven’t watched it yet.

  2. Probably his mother in law.

  3. Yes Pete, there can be no reasonable doubt that anti-semitism is alive and well in the party of Keir Hardie:

    “The programme painted a picture for the general viewer of just how routine and horrific anti-Semitism has become in the Labour party. Izzy Lenga, the international officer of the Jewish Labour Movement, said she’d been subjected to anti-Semitism ‘every single day’, including being told ‘Hitler didn’t go far enough’ and witnessing Holocaust denial in Labour meetings. Another activist, who voted for Corbyn as leader, told Panorama: ‘They might not call me a “dirty Jew” but they’ll call me a “dirty Zionist”, with pride.’

    One Jewish interviewee said: ‘We are very frightened of what Corbyn might do because we have seen these behaviours before.’ Another admitted: ‘We feel like we don’t belong here and we have to do far more than anybody else to prove that we do.’ The same member said he’d been called ‘a fucking Jew’ and ‘a Jewish pig’.

    MP Louise Ellman spoke about anti-Semitism in her Liverpool Riverside constituency, where one activist had said ‘Zionists are targets and deserve to feel uncomfortable’ while another declared: ‘Every Jew is a Zio-fascist’. Party investigations officer Ben Westerman was sent to Liverpool to assess the problem. At the end of one interview, a party member confronted Westerman, who is Jewish, and demanded: ‘Where are you from?… Are you from Israel?’”

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/07/the-routine-and-horrific-anti-semitism-in-labour/

  4. Left wing Jew hatred is just as wicked as right wing Jew hatred.

  5. I’d like to see what’s actually behind these claims of anti-semitism.

  6. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0006p8c/panorama-is-labour-antisemitic

    There you are Noel wonder no longer. Incontrovertible evidence from insiders on camera in their own words. Its horrific.

  7. //There you are Noel wonder no longer. //

    Sorry, it appears I have to buy a TV license to access that report, and I don’t have one.

    But thanks anyways, DiG.

    Anybody any real evidence of the “institutionally antisemitic Labour Party”?

    I’m not denying there is some, but I’d like to see it and judge it myself.

    People, even within the party, simply saying they were victims of anti-semitic remarks, or stories of widespread criticism of Israel or support for Hamas etc. will not be enough.

  8. Here is a pretty decent primer Noel:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45030552

  9. Thanks, Seamus.

    I’ve read through it, and if the tiny single bit of evidence I found in that long article is really all that there is, that sort of confirms my suspicion that these charges of anti-semitism are very tenuous indeed and seem more to be geared towards preventing a PM Corbyn or at least steering Labour policy in a safe direction as regards Israel than stopping a real injustice or discrimination.

    The single thing I found, and even that is extremely indirect and in no way watertight, is a reference to an article in the Sunday Times about alleged mails disclosed to the ST supposedly from Labour members and sent to Labout HQ complaining of anti-semitism in other party members. These are still only reported sightings of allegations of anti-semitism. Members had apparently posted online things like “Heil Hitler” and “Jews are the problem”.

    The article seems to assume that because Labour didn’t immediately suspend the people accused of such anti-semitic remarks while they are being investigated, that’s ample proof of Labour’s anti-semitism.
    That seems to be the sum of it. There’s no other concrete evidence provided.

    Other things are mentioned, but they could only be described as anti-semitic if you accept the absurd recent expansion of the term to include calling Israel racist, comparing Israel to the Nazis, focussing on Israel’s crimes, supporting enemies of Israel, claiming that certain Jews are more loyal to Israel than their home country, or even Holocaust denial etc.

    Several of such attitudes are IMO justified, others completely idiotic, but none is in itself anti-semitic.

    I still think there must be some anti-semitism among certain Labour members (as among members of probably every other party in the world), but why is everybody hiding it so well?

  10. “I’ve read through it, and if the tiny single bit of evidence I found in that long article is really all that there is, that sort of confirms my suspicion that these charges of anti-semitism are very tenuous indeed and seem more to be geared towards preventing a PM Corbyn or at least steering Labour policy in a safe direction as regards Israel than stopping a real injustice or discrimination.”

    And there in lies I think why Labour are in deep water over this. Not everything is a conspiracy theory. Not everything is about stopping Corbyn. Overwhelmingly the majority of accusations have either been out and out antisemitism, or at least make for uncomfortable reading. Have Corbyn’s opponents taken advantage of those accusations? Sure. Have they made them up? No.

    “claiming that certain Jews are more loyal to Israel than their home country”

    That isn’t absurd. Accusing Jews of being disloyal because they are Jews is rank antisemitism.

    “even Holocaust denial”

    Holocaust denial is not necessarily antisemitism but I can certainly understand why some people think it is.

    “focussing on Israel’s crimes”

    Focusing on Israel’s crimes is not antisemitism. Nor does the IHRA say it is.

    “supporting enemies of Israel”

    Supporting Israel’s enemies is not antisemitic. But when faced with other accusations it isn’t a good look. If you are going to be mates with Hezbollah and Hamas, and lay wreaths at the graves of the founders of Black September, then maybe don’t support antisemitic murals. Maybe don’t use language that has been increasingly appropriated by antisemites.

    I would personally argue that the bulk of the Labour Party is not antisemitic. I also think there are some out there who use antisemitism as a shield to protect Israel from legitimate criticism. I also think there are some out there who use criticism of Israel as a shield to hide their antisemitism. What I would say about the Labour Party, and certainly key aspects of its leadership, is that is indifferent to antisemitism. It sees antisemitism not as a problem that needs to be rooted out. Not as a major scandal. Not as a cancer that needs to be removed before it kills the whole movement. But as a distraction, as an attack on Corbyn, as made up, or even if it is true, as not that big a deal.

  11. // Accusing Jews of being disloyal because they are Jews is rank antisemitism.//

    Accusing ALL Jews of supporting Israel more than their home country is of course anti-semitism.
    But accusing certain Jews (which is what I said) of supporting Israel more than their home country is not; several Jews admit it themselves and even more plainly do.

    And, besides, is it any worse than saying Catholics in the US are more loyal to Rome?

    Again, there is practically nothing of substance there, just some things that people (like to) think are anti-semitism or that don’t look good or that make uncomfortable reading, as you say.

    For what it’s worth, I believe that probably no party in Britain attracts people of an Middle Eastern or African background as much as the LP does, and they are probably on average more vocally critical of Israel and more prone to confusing Israel with Jewishness. (a think they have in common with many Israel supporters). They are also probably less likely to be muzzled by PC taboos as much as folk in other parties are.

    I reckon that if Corbyn was a strong and loud supporter of Israel, but otherwise behaved exactly as he has done, there would be very little or none of this talk of antisemitism in Labour.

  12. “But accusing certain Jews (which is what I said) of supporting Israel more than their home country is not; several Jews admit it themselves and even more plainly do.”

    Yes but accusing a random Jew, without cause, of doing so is antisemitism and a window into a worldview that suggests ALL Jews.

    “And, besides, is it any worse than saying Catholics in the US are more loyal to Rome?”

    It isn’t. That would be highly bigoted as well.

    “I reckon that if Corbyn was a strong and loud supporter of Israel, but otherwise behaved exactly as he has done, there would be very little or none of this talk of antisemitism in Labour.”

    It is hard to tell. The bulk of the problem that Labour has with antisemitism is the leadership either not taking it seriously, or actively interfering in investigations. So if Corbyn, and or his supporters, didn’t hold these sort of views then it is unlikely they would dismiss them out of hand, or actively interfere to prevent adequate investigations.