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To Boldly Go, one small step at a time.

By Patrick Van Roy On July 20th, 2019

Echoes of our past, the seeds of our future.

There is no greater nor more deserving challenge then the Exploration of Space. NOTHING can benefit mankind  more than our pushing our boundaries and our knowledge in the exploration of Heaven. 

40 Responses to “To Boldly Go, one small step at a time.”

  1. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html

    A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake.

    Curators at Amsterdam’s Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the “lunar rock”, valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood.

    Xandra van Gelder, who oversaw the investigation, said the museum would continue to keep the stone as a curiosity.

    “It’s a good story, with some questions that are still unanswered,” she said. “We can laugh about it.”

    If I had given a ‘piece of moonrock’ to Patrick and ut turned out not to be moonrock, we could laugh about for, after all, I didn’t actually go to the moon and Patrick is just an ordinary guy.

    But the item in question has supposedly full traceability by NASA, picked by the astronauts who landed on the moon, examined, catalogued then presented to the PM of Holland – and it’s fake.

    Have the others been examined independently?

  2. A cursory Google search reveals:

    The Rijksmuseum, more noted as a repository for 17th century Dutch paintings, announced last month it had had its plum-sized “moon” rock tested, only to discover it was a piece of petrified wood, possibly from Arizona. The museum said it inherited the rock from the estate of a former prime minister.

    The real Dutch moon rocks are in a natural history museum. But the misidentification raised questions about how well countries have safeguarded their presents from Washington.

    https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2009-09-14-moon-rock_N.htm

    Still, probably just a cover story to hide the conspiracy, eh?

    But the item in question has supposedly full traceability by NASA

    No, not so:

    The Amsterdam case appears to be not fraud but the result of poor vetting by the Rijksmuseum.

    Spokeswoman Xandra van Gelder said the museum checked with NASA after receiving the rock in 1992 from the estate of the late Prime Minister Willem Drees. NASA told the museum, without seeing it, that it was “possible” it was a moon rock.

    But it weighed a whopping 89 grams (3.1 ounces). In addition, its gold-colored cardboard plaque does not describe it as a moon rock.

  3. so the Dutch have no rocks…….

  4. No, apparently they do Pat:

    The real Dutch moon rocks are in a natural history museum. But the misidentification raised questions about how well countries have safeguarded their presents from Washington.

  5. yeah I know the story, I just couldn’t resist.

  6. Certain bars in Amsterdam have plenty of rocks for sale to their customers

  7. there ya go

  8. We don’t need to celebrate the achievements of Neil Armstrong and co. We have Allan our very own celebrity astronaut here on ATW. Well he always seems to be out in space judging from his postings… 🙂

  9. Apparently there’s a potent strain of MDMA called moon rocks. At least that’s what I’m told by a friend.

  10. all I know is we went to the moon and then we stopped. We should have never stopped. The plan now is to push NASA and the private company’s to be ready to launch right at the end of Trumps second term.

    As much as I’d like to I don’t see that happening. I don’t see Congress approving the money.

  11. MDMA called moon rocks….. is a nasty drug

  12. Phantom have you checked your subway service….?

  13. LOL! Now the moon landing as well? Holocaust denial, evolution denial, no big bang, no expanding universe, earth’s not warming, sandy hook, 9/11, princess Diana either murdered or still alive, possibly both….probably I’ve missed some while away….Kennedy?….does anyone have a complete list? It’s become like a conspiracy theorist’s answer to Billy Joel’s ‘we didn’t start the fire’….the royal flush of batshit.

    The only surprising thing is that Allan seems to accept there is a moon, though of course it’s still early.

  14. All I know is we went to the moon and then we stopped.

    I was listening to Radio Ulster yesterday were they had a team of astronomical scientists on discussing the anniversary and the reason why it stopped was because the costs were, ahem, astronomical.

    They stated that the lunar landing programme cost $80 bn dollars then, fifty years ago.

  15. The only surprising thing is that Allan seems to accept there is a moon

    A necessary evil Frank. He needs something to howl at.

  16. Well said Patrick. although I have to say, even being a massive massive fan as I am of all things space, that other things have benefited mankind at least as much as the Apollo program.

    Frank ODwyer,

    //The only surprising thing is that Allan seems to accept there is a moon, though of course it’s still early.//

    LOL. Surely it’s only a matter of time before Allan goes full flat earther.

  17. Dave,

    “Surely it’s only a matter of time before Allan goes full flat earther.”

    I would genuinely like to see the full list. Surely a candidate for the Guinness book of records.

  18. I don’t want to fight the battle of 50yrs ago, but Walter Mondale and a few others killed it.

  19. The moon does not exist. It is of course an optical illusion. Every few decades an ‘event’ is manufactured and our attention is focussed on it by our Jewish masters while they go about their evil plans on earth. You will never guess who told me that. 😉

  20. Patrick

    Don’t worry. President Trump as his final greatest bigliest act of his second term will successfully complete another moon landing, and Trump being Trump will insist on being on board and being the first President to step on the surface waving his Make The Moon Great Again Banner.

    Unfortunately just as he is bouncing around outside the spacecraft Congress will suddenly end the funding needed to return the craft back to earth…. 😉

  21. he’ll be the orange man ON the moon

  22. they are projecting a 25 min film of the Launch on the Washington Monument.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=3lZuJ0VsqUY

  23. Walter Mondale and a few others killed it

    I don’t know Pat, those scientists said that 1/8 of the national budjet was spent on it. That’s not something that can be repeated everyday.

  24. no and that was Mondale’s argument. Not one dime on space while we had people that needed welfare.

  25. But the bulk of the cost was done. The expensive part was the development not the actual flights, and if you weigh the benefits that the space program gave us the program made more wealth and comfort for the entire world than any other human venture.

    We would not be having this conversation if it was not for the Space Program.

    Somewhere in the Archives of this site is a partial list I put up of the benefits.

  26. Apparently one of the big costs was salary as there were some 4,000 people working on the programme.

    Not one dime on space while we had people that needed welfare.

    I don’t think that was the case but if true I bow to your superior knowledge on it.

  27. no that was Mondale’s stance and he was powerful enough and the sum of money was large enough that he prevailed.

  28. I recall discussion on not spending so much on space when we could better spend it on needs on earth

    Welfare as phrased like the way you just did implies giving money to layabouts – I highly doubt that Mondale was saying any such thing

  29. Like Karth, Senator Walter Mondale was a Democrat of Minnesota, with the two men being close colleagues. The Senate had no counterpart of Olin Teague, no one who would push successfully to add funds for the Shuttle/station in the authorization bill; the bill that reached the Senate floor contained only the Administration request of $110 million. Mondale nevertheless moved to strike this entire amount, and offered an impassioned plea:

    This item involves a fundamental and profound decision about the future direction of the manned space flight era. This is, in fact, the next moon-type program. I believe it would be unconscionable to embark on a project of such staggering cost when many of our citizens are malnourished, when our rivers and lakes are polluted, and when our cities and rural areas are dying. What are our values? What do we think is more important? 49

  30. Yes he mentions environmental needs and for urban and rural development, which isn’t ” welfare ” at all the way Americans use it.

    He was talking about a number of things, including anti pollution water projects, bridges, roads, schools, education, all manner of things, not welfare checks

  31. The rivers lakes and oceans of the US are vastly cleaner than they were 50 years ago because of the kind of water treatment projects that Mondale etc supported were built all over the country, as aided by federal funds

    That was a hugely wise investment. It wasn’t welfare in any negative sense.

  32. This was wise federal spending that the great Nixon supported as well.

  33. Phantom you know I don’t disagree with welfare. What I disagree with is the either or stance. Mondale crushed the greatest beneficial program to mankind and he should be remembered for that sin.

  34. A current example…. The idiot Rand Paul held up the 9/11 Bill because he wants to be fiscally responsible.

    Now I want Congress to be fiscally responsible, but they are not and to use that bill to make a point was the wrong thing to do.

    Just as Mondale’s stance was.

  35. I supported a more robust space program as well.

    If we had not down the wrong roads in Vietnam and Iraq etc we might have had it

  36. Rand Paul, like his father is often a few McNuggets short of a Happy Meal

  37. one has nothing to do with the other…..

    If anything the more we dedicate ourselves to Space the less chance of War we have.

  38. Phantom, on July 20th, 2019 at 4:23 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Rand Paul, like his father is often a few McNuggets short of a Happy Meal

    more than a few

  39. It was 50 years ago with relatively primitive technology, and the benefits were supposedly enormous, so why not go back and gain more? There must surely be rare elements in that moon rock.

  40. it opens the door to things we don’t even know yet also Allan.