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THE VANISH ARMADA

By Pete Moore On July 22nd, 2019

We’ve noted in here previously how the Royal Navy has been cut dangerously slim. It’s this slim:

This morning the state-affiliated Fars news agency shared a photograph purporting to show some crew members being held under guard on the Stena Impero. Eighteen of the crew are Indian, including the captain. Three are Russian and the other two are from Latvia and the Philippines.

It came after a defence minister admitted that the Royal Navy is now too small to fulfil its global role. Tobias Ellwood urged the incoming prime minister to tackle the need for a significant increase in the Ministry of Defence budget immediately.

We are governed by genuine idiots. Because the UK is a trading island nation, the Royal Navy is the most important of the armed forces. It’s chief historic role has been to ensure the free passage of British merchant shipping. It remains by far the most important role.

But the Tories and EU zealots thought they knew best. All of the armed forces have been cut for decades. The ultimate aim has been to subsume them into an EU military. So we now have two brand new aircraft carriers with not enough destroyers to protect them. And too few destroyers to adequately protect shipping in the Strait of Hormuz. They’re not the only waters which are both strategically important and highly dodgy. Not by a long way.

Of course most of the cuts since the 1980s have been delivered by Tory governments. The calls are out for defence spending to be restored, as if new fleets can be rustled up in months. Let’s be clear; that the Royal Navy is now too stretched to fulfill its core role is the result of short-sighted policies implemented by the supposed adults.

Never forget the first rule of politics, which is to never trust the Tories.

110 Responses to “THE VANISH ARMADA”

  1. Pete

    What should the UK military budget be, and how should it be funded?

  2. Phantom what should the US military budget be?

  3. $500,000,000,000.75

  4. The problem Pete is you don’t have enough equipment in any of your forces to form a military except one and it’s one you can never use NUKES.

    The thing is the UK doesn’t have too….

    The US has no hesitation or reservation protecting our grey haired grandma, but apparently your “government” gets snitty over who we pick for President.

  5. Which in Trumps case is really stupid…. they liked Obama and he pissed on them.

  6. The British government was very gracious to Trump when he visited.

  7. That’s a do able number Phantom current budget is $693,058,000,000.

    I would like to see $1,000,000,000,000 a year for the next 5 years and then drop it down to your number of just half a Trillion.

  8. Phantom, on July 22nd, 2019 at 9:51 PM Said:
    The British government was very gracious to Trump when he visited.

    yes they were.

  9. Actually the Royals were very nice….. the British government itself… not so much, but they are a mess worse than the US government.

  10. //But the Tories and EU zealots thought they knew best. All of the armed forces have been cut for decades. The ultimate aim has been to subsume them into an EU military.//

    That was never the aim, and the EU has bugger all to do with the funding of the Royal Navy.

    But I see that Jeremy Hunt, who’s going to take the UK out of the EU by Christmas, is now calling for a “European-led maritime protection mission” to protect British shipping.

    The US offer of assistance apparently isn’t an option because of Trump’s decision to take the US out of the Iran-nuclear deal.

    So the EU it is.

  11. Eighteen of the crew are Indian, including the captain. Three are Russian and the other two are from Latvia and the Philippines.

    Are any of the crew of this ‘British’ ship British?

  12. The US offer of assistance apparently isn’t an option because of Trump’s decision to take the US out of the Iran-nuclear deal.

    So the EU it is.

    yes because they chose to placate the mad mullahs and this is their thanks….. lmao

  13. How are the British placating the mad mullahs by hijacking an Iranian tanker?

  14. are you drinking……..

    The British were placating the Iranians by staying in the Iran deal that we stepped out of and the mad mullahs said thank you by hijacking theirs.

    The Brits seizing the Iranian Tanker was upholding International Law…. a little different I think.

  15. I don’t recognize the authority of the EU or the UN.

    Do you?

  16. No

  17. Who here thinks that the UK was in the right to commandeer the Iranian tanker?

  18. Well there is right and there is right……

  19. Were they right to confiscate it… yes on general principal. The Iranians are a rogue regime in the process of building nuclear weapons. We either destroy them economically or we bomb them.

    Other than that it was piracy.

  20. LONDON (AP) — Britain announced plans Monday to develop and deploy a Europe-led “maritime protection mission” to safeguard shipping in the vital Strait of Hormuz in light of Iran’s seizure of a British-flagged tanker in the waterway last week.

    Briefing Parliament on the budding crisis, Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt accused Iran of “an act of state piracy” that must be met with a coordinated international reaction.

    Iranian officials have suggested the Stena Impero was seized and taken to an Iranian port in response to Britain’s role in seizing an Iranian oil tanker two weeks earlier off the coast of Gibraltar, a British overseas territory located on the southern tip of Spain.

  21. and….

    The U.S. military is following many of the exact same patterns that we witnessed during our previous wars in the Middle East, and that even includes setting up shop at a key military base deep in the heart of the Arabian peninsula. After the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, the U.S. military abandoned Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia, but now they are back. Hundreds of U.S. troops are already there working hard to get the base operational, and as you will see below, a tremendous amount of new construction is planned. The base covers “well over a hundred square miles”, and so it has more than enough room to serve as a central hub for a new Middle East war. Tensions with Iran have escalated dramatically over the past few weeks, but apparently somebody anticipated that the U.S. would need to use this base even before then, because according to NBC News U.S. troops were already arriving back in June…

  22. It’s a very high game of chess being played.

  23. “Eighteen of the crew are Indian, including the captain. Three are Russian and the other two are from Latvia and the Philippines.”

    Sweden ( Stenna Bulk BV, a Swedish company ) has its vessel Stenna Imperium impounded by the Iranians. The crew comprise Indian, Russian, Latvia and Filipinos.

    Yet it’s the job of the British to recover the vessel.

    Clown world indeed!

  24. Pete hasn’t answered Phantom’s question on how our Navy should be funded. Bearing in mind Pete considers govt taxation to be theft it will be interesting to see how he thinks we should spend billions more to globalise our naval reach again.

  25. //the state-affiliated Fars news agency shared a photograph purporting to show some crew members (of the British vessel) being held under guard on the Stena Impero. Eighteen of the crew are Indian, including the captain. Three are Russian and the other two are from Latvia and the Philippines.//

    So, a fair cross-section of the London population, then.

    (well, someone has to say it)

  26. Colm

    Perhaps you should just pass the hat at the next civil society meeting

    And then go buy a few aircraft carriers at Tesco’s for 75 pounds each

  27. The US offer of assistance apparently isn’t an option because of Trump’s decision to take the US out of the Iran-nuclear deal.

    So the EU it is

    Where is the trumpeted NATO? Hundreds of Brits have been killed in the Afghan and Iraq wars as part of the NATO alliance. Does the alliance only go one way?

    Britain called on Monday for a European-led naval mission to ensure safe shipping through the Strait of Hormuz, days after Iran seized a British-flagged tanker in what London described as an act of “state piracy” in the strategic waterway.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-iran/britain-calls-for-european-naval-mission-to-counter-irans-piracy-idUSKCN1UH16E

    Britain calls for embryonic Euro navy? Who’da thunk.

  28. NATO… is the US Paul…. can’t use it because the US isn’t part of the kiss the terrorists ass group.. sorry.

  29. NATO… is the US Paul

    Hundreds of Brits have been killed in the Afghan and Iraq wars as part of the NATO alliance

    The US isn’t part of the kiss the terrorists ass group.

    They’ve been doing a good job of it so far:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=runYPf4Q2g8

  30. I bought a few Nuclear submarines on Amazon on prime day

    Now if I can only figure out how to drive them

  31. Paul NATO is the US… yes other countries especially the brits give soldiers, and yes some die. All the equipment 90% of the money and the bulk of the personnel are the US.

    As I’ve said on numerous occasion the US should abandon NATO let you clowns fend for yourselves.

  32. Legally speaking NATO is an international organisation whose treaty compels all members to come to the defence of any member state which has been attacked. In practical reality of course it is an engine driven by the US. They decide when it’s power is used. That’s just realpolitik.

  33. The Saudi’s aren’t seizing tankers or threatening to nuke everyone Iran is.

  34. The Saudi’s aren’t seizing tankers or threatening to nuke everyone Iran is

    No, they are just funding and promoting the most violent, deadliest international terrorist network in history.

    If the Brits expect this kind of ‘meh’ indifference from the States after hundreds of their soldiers die in US led wars imagine what the Yanks are gonna do to them in any post EU trade deal.

  35. The British are seizing tankers

    Why is it OK for them to engage in such bad action Against a country that isn’t threatening them at all

  36. No, they are just funding and promoting the most violent, deadliest international terrorist network in history.

    Wrong that’s Iran… although Saudi does enough of it in my book to deserve a thorough bombing, but in the meantime we’ll use them for our needs.

  37. that isn’t threatening them at all

    They are threatening them the UK is number 3 on the mad mullah hit list and their missiles can reach it.

  38. That is not the position of the British government

    They co signed a deal with Iran that Iran did not break. But which the US did break

    Iran is not the bad actor in this immediate situation

    The British are the bad actors

  39. It may not be the Brits position, but it sure is Irans… the brits arte #3 on the list.

  40. Wrong that’s Iran

    Absolute, absolute spin, stuff and nonsense. Iran has funded some politically militant Arab nationalist / anti imperialist violent groups . Your ‘friends’ in the House of Saudi fund and promote the vast, overwhelming quantity of religious Islamic terrorism on the planet which has killed many, many more innocents.

    The UK were wrong to seize the Iranian tanker in the Strits of Gibraltar and the Iranians tit for tat revenge but what is most surprising of all is the US response? Where is the ‘special relationship’ and the feted NATO alliance response that had the British call for an alled EU response to protect British merchany shipping in the Straits of Hormuz? It seems the US prioritised other countries’ complying with their sanctions over their responsibilities of the NATO Treaty.

    As I said, if this is the indifference the Brits are faced with by the US in the wake of hundreds of Brit soldiers dying in US warsjust imagination what the Yanks are going to do with a post EU trade agreement.

  41. Iran -is- imperialist

    Let there be no misunderstanding on that.

  42. I don’t think that Iran has invaded any countries lately and to hear an American accuse Iran of being imperialist goes beyond the bounds of irony.

    That however isn’t the point of interest here. What is the point of interest is how carelessly the Americans have thrown the UK under the bus and absolutely disregarded their NATO committments. I sincerely hope that such actions are repeated many, many times post Brexit as I greatly suspect they will exacerbate the break up of the UK.

  43. Iran is creating a Shia crescent empire that it controls, which includes Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.

    If you think that all empires involve traditional ” invasions ” then perhaps this subject isn’t for you.

  44. Iran has Shia allies in Iraq and Lebanon which is funds and supports. It supports the current dominant power in Syria. There are many, many more Arab Levant and North African countries where they dont. If they are imperialist they’re doing a shitty job of it.

    This is imperialism:

    https://images.app.goo.gl/5L4yf5Mq4b4L1T6B7

    But I’d be more worried about Pat’s friends in the House of Saudi and their funding and promoting of international religious jihadi terrorism that would concern more.

    However, the interestion point of the subject of the post is how much rhe US has screwed the Brits at the first off.

  45. Thanks in no small part to the catastrophic US war of choice in Iraq, Iran has an empire that runs uninterrupted from Iran to the Mediterranean, to the border of Israel.

    That’s a new thing under the sun.

    It frightens the hell out of the Sunni Muslims, and others.

    There’s only one center to the Shia world, and that’s Iran.

  46. It’s about 1800 km from Tehran to the Med

    The stupidity of the ” Arab Spring ” in Syria and the US taking Iraq off the board as a check to Shia power are what helped create the new Persian Shia empire.

  47. Why are you insisting on trying to turn the conversation into an alleged Iranian empire, particularly when your own country is in all the countries you mention and more in the region?

    It frightens the hell out of the Sunni Muslims, and others

    The poor Sunnis that are promoting international Jihadi religious terrorism? I know what scares me more.

    There’s only one center to the Shia world, and that’s Iran

    Where’s Mecca again?

    Now, would you like to discuss the subject of the post and why British merchant shipping in the Straits of Hormuz was shagged by the Yanks and seems to have undermined the ethos of NATO?

  48. Iran controls Syria, Gaza, Yemen, and huge swaths of Iraq. They supply weapons and money, and logistics to both Shia and Sunni while the pursue nuclear weapons so they can bath the world in blood and bring the return of the Mahdi.

    The people of this death cult need to have their wish to die granted.

  49. Paul I’ll gladly agree that five minutes after Iran is destroyed the destruction of Saudi Arabia should commence.

  50. Obama abandoning the Bush Doctrine allowed Iran to run rampant as well as all the other little terrorist bastards.

  51. It doesn’t control Syria, it doesn’t control Yemen, it has a presence in Iraq, along with other countries’ governments and it supports Hamas in Gaza.

    We all know what the real reason is, your mates in the HoS are the real international terrorist threat and this is the tail wagging the dog again.

    No comment on the US tearing up their NATO committments Pat?

  52. Patrick gets his ideas wrong. The Twelver eschatology is not that the Mahdi will appear by bathing the world in non-Muslim blood. Quite the opposite. Twelvers believe that the Mahdi will return at a time when there is major conflict in the Islamic world, specifically Iraq and Syria. So when the US invaded Iraq in 2003 Twelver eschatology went into hyperdrive.

  53. Ok fine lets flatten every Arab State. Kill them all let god sort them out and use 1mgt Neutron bombs on their oil fields rendering them unusable for 10,000yrs.

    I fully endorse that. The US needs NOTHING from this region. Screw those that do.

  54. Paul I’ll gladly agree that five minutes after Iran is destroyed the destruction of Saudi Arabia should commence.

    Then stop being so hypocritical about some sham ‘War on Terror’ while your country sells billions of $ of weapons and buys oil from the biggest financiers and supporters of terrorism in the world.

    You may come out with some ‘we’ll use them to their no longer useful’ spin but you cannot morally supposedly fight a sham ‘War on Terror’ whilst at the same time supporting by far the biggest financiers and promoters of terrorism on the planet.

  55. “I fully endorse that.”

    Spot the genocidal evil bastard.

    And Iran isn’t an Arab state.

  56. Patrick

    Very many Iraqis are Shia. They like Iran.

    Saddam was an enemy of Iran. The new elected government is not an enemy of Iran.

    You own this pig. You and GWB.

  57. s Dr. Majid Rafizadeh further explains in his recent analysis for frontpagemag.com, these apocalyptic Muslims also believe that this is The End for non-Muslims. As such, Muslims should prepare the world for the coming of the Imam Mahdi (also known as Muhammad al Mahdi) who would establish global Islamic rule and eradicate non-Muslims.

    Apocalyptic Muslims have long believed that the appearance of the Mahdi would coincide with a civil war in the lands of sham [Syria], which will destroy the country. In addition, Iraq will be in engulfed with domestic military conflict. They also believe that other non-Muslims will become vulnerable to Muslims and Islamic rulers.

    Read more at http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id=102#MeYKRkoUDjlvm0he.99

  58. Prophecy news watch? And you gurn when people call you a conspiracy nut?

  59. Obama abandoning the Bush Doctrine allowed Iran to run rampant as well as all the other little terrorist bastards.

    Turning Iraq into an Islamic version of Mad Max did more than anything to help Iran.

  60. Those Iraqi people that we liberated voted in the Iran friendly government. Never thought of that one did you?

  61. The Bush Doctrine

    One word, S.O.F.A.

  62. “Those Iraqi people that we liberated voted in the Iran friendly government. Never thought of that one did you?”

    I think the situation in Iraq is more complex than that. The largest party in Iraq, the Sadrists, whilst Shia, are not fans of Iran. And have called for a) Iranian backed militias in Iraq to disband and b) for Bashar al-Assad to resign.

  63. No matter how you slice it

    Under Saddam, Iraq was a mortal enemy of Iran

    Under an elected government, not so much

    Those who still support the Iraq war deserve some kind of Iranian medal.

  64. Those who still support the Iraq war deserve some kind of Iranian medal.

    Tell that to our dead.

    you should know better, seaman.

  65. Tell that to our dead

    Paul NATO is the US… yes other countries especially the brits give soldiers, and yes some die.

    Sorry, what was that?

  66. Patrick

    Do you think the loss of all those American lives in the Iraq was a worthwhile sacrifice?

  67. Like in Vietnam, brave men died for an ill thought out mistake.

  68. And in terms of the UK seizure of the Iranian vessel it is worth noting that Iran were violating EU (and thus UK) sanctions on trading with Syria. Now I’m of the opinion that country A shouldn’t be able to enforce its laws on country B. However the oil was being shipped through UK waters.

    So the UK seized a vessel that was breaking UK law in UK waters. So there is a distinction between it and what Iran is doing.

  69. Ain’t buying that.

    The UK US and EU have no right to tell Iran who it can trade with, and that ship wasn’t trading with anyone at the time that it was seized.

  70. It was in UK waters breaking UK law.

  71. Why would an Iranian oil tanker pass by the UK when shipping from Iran to Syria?

  72. I imagine they can’t ship it via land due to it being a warzone in parts (and subject to military targeting otherwise), can’t ship it via Suez because the Egyptians keep seizing them, so they probably send it round Africa and through the Strait of Gibraltar.

  73. I’d be very careful about making any such arguments. You don’t know where they may lead.

    I believe that all vessels that transit the Strait of Hormuz go through Iranian waters at some point.

    I’ve been there. It’s a narrow enough place.

  74. The principle shipping lane in the Strait of Hormuz is actually Omani waters (due to the Musandam exclave). That’s not to say that vessels don’t stray into Iran but the primary international shipping lane is not through Iranian waters.

  75. Colm, on July 23rd, 2019 at 7:08 PM Said:
    Patrick

    Do you think the loss of all those American lives in the Iraq was a worthwhile sacrifice?

    The death of ANY single American Soldier is not worth the sacrifice for any cause, but it is the Soldiers Duty to do his/her job and in doing so they may die.

    We Join Freely knowing this may be the Price. We do so without hesitation.

  76. The death of ANY single American Soldier is not worth the sacrifice for any cause

    Heirarchy of death? You seem to have an indifference above to the soldiers from other countries’ who have died in the US NATO wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

  77. That’s a cop out of an answer. You are letting political leaders wasting lives recklessly off the hook if you say that. Military action is a serious grave matter and is either justified or not. If not then it is a criminal and shameful abuse of political authority. It isn’t just something soldiers exist to be sent to die for whenever a leader feels like it.

  78. The pro war people are condemned by history for what they did to our and other troops and to civilians in Vietnam and Iraq

    They weakened American power in vast mistakes that killed millions. That’s all they did.

  79. They weakened American power in vast mistakes that killed millions.

    That’s correct. With the Killing of Qaddafi they also also condemned Europe to a refugee crisis.

  80. Korea and Vietnam were with 20 20 hindsight totally unnecessary and unjust wars. Vietnam changed everything.

    Everything since then has been necessary and it’s not done.

  81. No you can thank Merkal for your refugee crises.

  82. I don’t know that Korea was unnecessary

    But Vietnam was a vast mistake, against a people that wished us no harm at all.

  83. Khadaffi kept a very tight lid on the human traffickers.

    We let him get killed, Hillary thought it to be very funny, and a crisis happened.

  84. No you can thank Merkal for your refugee crises

    Actually what we can thank for it is the invasion of Iraq which destabilised the region, ignited the Syrian Civil war and the ‘Arab Spring’ in Libya.

  85. yep all America’s fault Paul….. we’re the bad guys.

  86. With the unnecessary invasion of Iraq and its consequences in the region coupled with the killing of Qaddafi and their subsequent effects on Europe in this instance that’s true Pat.

  87. The invasion of Iraq was necessary. The way Obama abandoned it and then Hillary and the Brits overthrowing Gaddafi totally destabilized everything and they both sat back and laughed. Hillary got richer by the second and Obama screwed the colonial countries of Europe.

  88. //And in terms of the UK seizure of the Iranian vessel it is worth noting that Iran were violating EU (and thus UK) sanctions on trading with Syria.
    So the UK seized a vessel that was breaking UK law in UK waters. //

    It’s quite telling that Gibraltar incorporated the EU sanctions law into the law of the territory just 36 hours before the Iranian vessel was seized in its waters.
    This was all obviously carefully planned well in advance, and there are American fingerprints all over it.

    I’d say it has much more to do with the US embargo on Iranian oil than any EU ban on supplies to Syria.

  89. Obama and the Beasts actions were unnecessary.

  90. and there are American fingerprints all over it.

    once again the “evil” Americans

  91. In this instance the consequences of the unnecessary war in Iraq and the ‘Arab Spring’ in Libya were the causes of the European refugee crisis.

  92. the unnecessary war in Iraq was necessary

  93. It wasn’t necessary but that’s not my point. The Iraq War initiated the consequences which would cause Europe’s refugee crisis.

  94. bullshit

  95. Europe could have blocked the flow instead they swung open the doors and the barbarians flowed right in.

  96. just like our southern border is our own fault. Policies have consequences.

  97. Patrick

    I believe you think the war in Iraq was necessary because it was a Republican POTUS who instigated it. Had it been Clinton or Obama you would have called it a disaster.

  98. Bush’s intervention – perfect

    Hillarys’ intervention – bad

  99. Not bullshit at all.

    The Iraq War and its consequences and Libya’s ‘Arab Spring’ caused Europe’s refugee crisis.

  100. No Paul

    Democrats and liberals cause all crises. It’s never anything generated by Republicans/Conservatives.

  101. own your own mess…..

    and Iraq was a State Sponsor of terror and deserved what it got.

  102. Saddam deserved what he got but Iran didn’t deserve to get a friendly neighbor, which is what the US unwittingly handed it.

  103. The Iraq War and its consequences in conjunction with the Libyan ‘Arab Spring’ caused the European refugee crisis. This can’t be denied.

  104. The French begged us not to make this huge error, they told us that we didn’t know what we were getting into.

    We mocked them for that honest and correct advice.

    Freedom fries, anyone?

  105. https://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/weasel.jpg?quality=80

  106. As for the Libyan ‘Arab Spring’

    In the first call, at 11.15am on 25 February 2011, Gaddafi gave a warning in part borne out by future events: “They [jihadis] want to control the Mediterranean and then they will attack Europe.”[…]

    Three weeks after the calls, a Nato-led coalition that included Britain began bombing raids that led to the overthrow of Gaddafi. He was finally deposed in August and murdered by opponents of his regime in October.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/07/gaddafi-warned-blair-of-threat-from-opening-door-to-al-qaida

    That’s the same NATO that refuse to rotect British shipping in the Straits of Hormuz.

  107. The UK and US asked Gadaffi to give up his WMD.

    He actually did give them up.

    See how he was repaid.

  108. Phantom
    //The French begged us not to make this huge error, they told us that we didn’t know what we were getting into.

    We mocked them for that honest and correct advice.//

    Well said phantom I 100% agree.
    The French weren’t against the Iraq war, they just wanted proof that they had weapons of mass destruction. Unlike our poodle prime minister Tony Blair.

  109. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRrxgGaVAAAUvB2.jpg

    http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/6701/589/320/592558/surrender%20monkeys.jpg

    The NY Post was a huge cheerleader for that war, with infantile propaganda every day.

    That means you, Mr Murdoch.

  110. Phantom, on July 23rd, 2019 at 10:38 PM Said:
    The UK and US asked Gadaffi to give up his WMD.

    He actually did give them up.

    See how he was repaid.

    yeah he stood between Hillary and her wallet…… not the place you want to be.