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It must be said

By Patrick Van Roy On July 25th, 2019

I have to write this post. I have been Robert Mueller biggest critic. I considered him to be corrupt because of the cowboy shenanigans and illegal behavior of those he has supervised over the years.

I was wrong, Robert Mueller is not corrupt. He’s a complete incompetent. Apparently all those screw ups that I see in his career weren’t corruption, they were Mueller failing upwards…. it happens.

That being said…. he told them he didn’t want to testify. The Democrats FORCED him to take the stand. This man had a great career, in spite of his failures he did have some great accomplishments. Now he will be remembered as this poor doddering old man.

To do that to him was just wrong. The powers to be on the Democrat side should be ashamed of themselves. Maybe the damage they did their party today will wake them…. some how I doubt it.

Shame, shame on them. You don’t do what they did to an old man today. I could put up 10 great clips of the hearing that destroy the left, I can’t do it. I watched this whole thing today and it was painful. Absolutely embarrassing.

76 Responses to “It must be said”

  1. Cringeworthy, agreed.

    But do you think for one moment that if the party positions were reversed, then Dem commentators would be easing up ?

    NOT

    A

    CHANCE

  2. Mahons once chided me in questioning Mueller’s credentials by saying that the man and his reputation as a former Marine made him beyond reproach. I wonder what Mahons would say now!

    I also wonder who are the partisans that actually wrote the report, and had this doddering old fool (takes one to know one)sign off on it.

  3. we haven’t seen Mahons in a while…. hope he’s well.

    Weisman wrote the report and ran the investigation.

  4. I think I read that Mahons said he took a new job downtown. His wallet has probably strained his back, lol.

  5. I didn’t get to see any significant part of the testimony, but by all accounts Mueller struggled.

    He’s 74 – which I guess is old – but boy I know a few that age or older, in business and outside of it, who still have their intellectual fastball, who could stand up to questions from anyone.

    doddering old fool

    Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it’ll toll for all of us soon enough.

    I don’t see the slightest indication of Mueller being a fool, or dishonorable, in any way.

    Maybe he shouldn’t have been selected to do the report, maybe he should not have been compelled to testify, those are legitimate points

  6. I also wonder who are the partisans that actually wrote the report

    More particularly, who drove that report? In the UK, we had a report by our own dodderer which destroyed policing in London. A silly old man, Lord McPherson, signed off on a report into ‘police racism’ which laid the graounds for stabby London. The left’s modus operandi is clear – put a nice old guy at the front and present absolute bollocks as ‘the report’.

  7. maybe he should not have been compelled to testify

    And then we wouldn’t have found out how incompetent he is. He signed the report as his own, so he owns it and should be prepared to defend it. 3 years of this shit – is that not enough?

  8. I don’t see the slightest indication of Mueller being a fool, or dishonorable, in any way.

    I think he is a fool in that he let himself be used as a front man, as window dressing, for what must have been radical Democrat lawyers in this investigation. From his testimony, he obviously didn’t know much about the report that bears his name.

    Who was really running the show in this attempted, silent, coup d’etat?

  9. this attempted, silent, coup d’etat?

    Hogwash.

    Turn off Hannity, say three Hail Maries, and sin no more.

  10. Bless me Phantom, for I have sinned, lol…

  11. How many miles did you drive all told?

    Was it fun?

    I actually like long drives when I have the time for it.

    It’s a big country.

  12. Phantom, we probably drove about 1,300 miles. It was fun, because I like to take my time and stop at hotels to rest and relax after about 5 hours of driving. Luckily, we have a big Cadillac to see the big sky country from.

    I must admit that at the higher elevations I had a little trouble breathing. At 8,000 feet I was huffing and puffing! But Colorado and northern New Mexico around Santa Fe is really beautiful country. I would live there if I could afford it!

  13. Charles

    I spent a day in the ” other ” Las Vegas – in New Mexico

    https://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/16/travel/escapes/16american.html

    And yes, Santa Fe and northern New Mexico and Colorado are great places

  14. Phantom, on July 25th, 2019 at 9:38 PM Said: Edit Comment
    this attempted, silent, coup d’etat?

    Hogwash.

    Turn off Hannity, say three Hail Maries, and sin no more.

    Tune into reality drop to your knees and REPENT!

  15. doddering old fool

    Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it’ll toll for all of us soon enough.

    I don’t see the slightest indication of Mueller being a fool, or dishonorable, in any way.

    That is my biggest fear Phantom…. my body long ago got broken, but my mind is everything. I consume information. I read all day with both the tv and the radio on. When I ran the Tower at airport I would listen to 12 radio channels at once including the three ATC channels and could distinguish an entire picture in my mind of how the airport was operating. Inside at the gates, outside on the ramp, and the flow of traffic in and out.

    One of the medicines I take for Lymes Disease has a side effect that are the same symptoms as alzheimer’s. Scares the shit out of me. I’d rather deal with the nerve pain than lose the only thing I have left, but the doctors think I’m crazy.

  16. God bless

    Lyme disease is no joke

  17. His honor and reputation still remain above reproach. He did his job which was to deliver a serious nonpartisan report. He did so without leaks or hyperbole. He didn’t aid the frantic Democrats who long for impeachment or ammunition to the frantic Republicans who long for total exonoration. History, not the Nielson family, will judge his testimony which lacked the Jerry Springer posing (on his part) that we see so often today.

  18. Good summary Mahons. I find the post report attempts by Trump supporters to malign Mueller shameful and sinister.

  19. It is a good summary.

    The bad faith partisans in both parties hate Mueller.

    He, like most FBI types, is not partisan.

    They serve the country, not dregs of society like Trump or the Squad.

  20. Colm

    “I find the post report attempts by Trump supporters to malign Mueller shameful and sinister.” Well said. It is a failing attempt to prop up the legitimacy of Trump by badmouthing the truth teller. Mueller is head and shoulders above them. Mueller’s work showed abundant help Trump received from the Russians as well as multiple attempts to obstruct justice. As former president Carter said ‘Trump would not be president if not for the help of the Russians …therefore he is an illegitimate president.

  21. Calm down girls. It’s not trying to destroy the man to think he is working past his “sell by” date. It’s obvious that he was hands off on this report that bears his name, and that he was not the best man to testify. It’s the Democrats that insisted on putting him through the ringer.

  22. There were a many aspersions on the man’s character in right wing Trumper garbage media, some cut and pasted here.

  23. Charles

    “It’s not trying to destroy the man to think he is working past his “sell by” date. It’s obvious that he was hands off on this report that bears his name, and that he was not the best man to testify.” Please support your statements with cogent reasons. It is obvious some are out to destroy Mueller for the reason I stated above. Who should have testified if not the author of the report? Mueller is a highly respected and competent public servant, disparaging him is low and shameful.

  24. NYer, Mueller couldn’t even answer the question about Fusion GPS!!

    Who should have testified if not the author of the report?

    How about the person or persons that actually wrote the report? It is obvious to me that Mueller did not have grasp of the facts in the report.

    The fact of the matter is that Mueller is not the “white knight” that the Democrats and Trump-haters hoped that he would be. I have no axe to grind with Mueller, other than that he let himself be used as a fig leaf for the shortcomings of this report. I’m glad he testified. Michael Moore and his ilk are not.

  25. “A frail old man, unable to remember things, stumbling, refusing to answer basic questions,” Moore said about Mueller. “I said it in 2017 and Mueller confirmed it today — All you pundits and moderates and lame Dems who told the public to put their faith in the esteemed Robert Mueller — just STFU from now on.”

    What Moore said.

  26. Thank you Phantom.

    I would just ask the Mueller supporters here to ask themselves one question.

    “Are you glad that he testified?”

    If your answer is no, then you agree with me.

  27. No President has achieved what
    @realDonaldTrump
    has in such a short amount of time

    In just 2.5 years, he has:

    Defeated ISIS

    Moved the Embassy to Jerusalem

    Confirmed 143 judges & 2 SCOTUS justices

    Renegotiated NAFTA

    Created a BOOMING economy

    And we’re just getting started!

  28. Several hours later, Trump quote-tweeted Moore, and added “Even Michael Moore agrees that the Dems and Mueller blew it!”

    Moore later replied to say that he agrees with Trump — though Trump shouldn’t assume the ideological opposites are suddenly best friends. Moore cited the fact that Trump isn’t in jail as proof that what he said earlier in the day was true.

    “Yes. The proof they blew it is that you’re tweeting on Air Force One! You shouldn’t be on that plane, or in the Oval Office — you should be wearing a jumpsuit that matches your face,” Moore tweeted. “The DNC & Mueller may not have known how to stop you, but millions of voters — and I — do. Get ready.”
    https://www.thewrap.com/michael-moore-and-trump-agree-democrats-blew-it-with-mueller-testimony-but-still-hate-each-other/

  29. “Defeated ISIS”

    No he didn’t. US Airstrikes (ordered by Barack Obama) have helped the situation but the bulk of the leg work was by the Peshmerga.

    “Moved the Embassy to Jerusalem”

    Which has led to Israel becoming increasingly an international pariah state, and seen the US reputation in the region go down the toilet. But Bibi verbally fellated Trump so I guess the cult of personality drones take it as a win.

    “Confirmed 143 judges & 2 SCOTUS justices”

    Not so much of an achievement. More an assault on jurisprudence that is causing many Democrats to consider the nuclear option should they hold the Presidency and Congress (packing the court).

    “Renegotiated NAFTA”

    The USCMA is effectively NAFTA repackaged. There is only small, minor adjustments. In fact one of the major things that Trump said he’d get rid of in NAFTA, the dispute resolution arrangements, is still there.

    “Created a BOOMING economy”

    It was Barack Obama who created a booming economy, which Trump inherited.

  30. 100% correct on ISIS. All the serious ground fighting was done by Kurds. ISIS had been losing serious territory for over a year before Field Marshall Bone Spur snuck in on a technicality.

    And NAFTA is in place. You just call it something else now.

    Other comments correct also.

  31. Michael Moore and I have something in common. We’re both angry white men over 50!

    I don’t like Moore, but I think Republicans (and some Dems too) ignore what he says at their own peril.

  32. Mahons, on July 26th, 2019 at 12:32 PM Said: Edit Comment
    His honor and reputation still remain above reproach. He did his job which was to deliver a serious nonpartisan report. He did so without leaks or hyperbole. He didn’t aid the frantic Democrats who long for impeachment or ammunition to the frantic Republicans who long for total exonoration. History, not the Nielson family, will judge his testimony which lacked the Jerry Springer posing (on his part) that we see so often today.

    No history will view his testimony as the last part of the first half of the worst scandal in American History. The Obama-Clinton Scandal…. A sitting President covers up the crimes of his Secretary of State while using the DOJ/NSA/CIA to try and Frame the candidate of the opposition party.

    Mueller’s testimony was an embarrassment. It exposed that he was no longer in possession of a crisp mind, that he didn’t know what was in his report, and there is no way he ran the investigation.

    Mueller’s job was to find a crime any crime that Trump committed, he found none, nothing, nada…. instead of providing the smoke screen needed to cover their Sedition and Treason it has shined a brighter light on just how patheticly crooked this bunch including Mueller truly are.

  33. Seamus….. ROFLMAO

  34. My reading of the Mueller hearing, and I didn’t watch the whole thing – just clips – was that it was a performance. Deliberately vague, deliberately uncharismatic. He was not going to be used for political purposes by either side. He stuck by his report and refused to provide either side with a soundbite. He constantly paused, to consider his report, his notes etc… so that he didn’t provide an inconsistency with his report that either side could then latch onto.

    “ROFLMAO”

    A man of your age and condition shouldn’t be rolling on the floor. Detaching one’s ass is also a serious medical problem and you should get that seen to.

  35. Detaching one’s ass is also a serious medical problem and you should get that seen to.

    Seamus, ok, I admit it. I laughed! 🙂

  36. Mueller’s performance wasn’t an act, and I watched the whole sad thing.

    Obama was a marxist fool that gave us the greatest depression the nation has ever seen. More people lost their Businesses, Homes, and were put in food lines than anytime in our history.

    Filling VACANT seats with Judges that understand that Judges don’t make law they interpret it is not an assault it’s a correction.

    Israel is no more hated now than before the US acknowledged it’s capital.

    The USCMA fixes obviously more than you understand….

    It was Barack Obama who created a booming economy, which Trump inherited. lmao… see response 2.

  37. Moving the embassy to Jerusalem made Crooked Bibi happy, but it didn’t help the interests of the USA at all.

  38. “Obama was a marxist fool that gave us the greatest depression the nation has ever seen. More people lost their Businesses, Homes, and were put in food lines than anytime in our history.”

    Not proportionally. So yes more people suffered because the US is 2 and half times the size it was in 1930.

    And they suffered because of the depression Obama inherited from Bush. Obama created a booming economy which Trump has inherited.

    “Filling VACANT seats with Judges that understand that Judges don’t make law they interpret it is not an assault it’s a correction.”

    Those judges make law all the time. They just do it in areas and ways that you support. Or have they banned the Air Force yet?

    “Israel is no more hated now than before the US acknowledged it’s capital.”

    Nonsense. Countries that tended to be overwhelmingly supportive of Israel (such as the UK and Germany) voted against Israel (and the US) at the UN following the Jerusalem move. It also hurt the principle Israeli argument against Palestine taking Israel to international courts – that neither party should make unilateral moves and that it should all be part of a final settlement.

    “The USCMA fixes obviously more than you understand….”

    Enlighten us then.

  39. There was no depression under either.

    Nafta 2.0 – all sizzle, no steak.

  40. Phantom, on July 26th, 2019 at 6:02 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Moving the embassy to Jerusalem made Crooked Bibi happy, but it didn’t help the interests of the USA at all.

    The US made promises it’s important we keep our promises, Trump finally did.

  41. The US made promises it’s important we keep our promises, Trump finally did.

    That I agree with. Every Republican running for President would give lip service to our Jewish citizens on the issue, but never delivered. Trump did. He said he would move the embassy, and did.

  42. “The US made promises it’s important we keep our promises, Trump finally did.”

    Who made the promise?

  43. It is more precise to say that Trump kept his promise to AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

  44. If Trump had promised to slather himself in lotion and run bollock naked around the Rose Garden and then followed through with it then he shouldn’t get a pat on the back for having followed through on his promise.

  45. I disagree Seamus. Politicians need to be held to account for what they promise at election time. It’s one thing to deliver an applause line at an AIPAC convention, but quite another to actually deliver on the promise.

    People can rubbish Trump all they want. But they can’t say that the country didn’t exactly know what Trump stood for before the election.

  46. A bad decision is still a bad decision even if it is a promised bad decision.

  47. Well, I would counter that elections have consequences. BTW, my book by Norton just arrived today. Looks like a hard read, but interesting.

  48. — But they can’t say that the country didn’t exactly know what Trump stood for before the election.–

    He stood for Mexico paying for a massive wall, then winked and said he was only kidding ( he may as well have anyway )

    He stood for health care for all, then tried to blow up the few protections that were already in place for

    He breaks promises as easily as he breathes the air. He has zero principles other than on illegal immigration and trade. Zero.

  49. “Well, I would counter that elections have consequences.”

    They do. But governance should come first.

    “BTW, my book by Norton just arrived today. Looks like a hard read, but interesting.”

    Brilliant. They are academic texts but I always found Norton’s work to be quite accessible as well.

  50. Charles

    “Politicians need to be held to account for what they promise at election time.” Trump has not kept many promises. Moving the embassy was easy. Pulling out of the Paris climate agreement was easy. Healthcare is difficult and unfulfilled. Trade is difficult and Trump made a mess of it. Reducing the debt is difficult, Trump increased it. He does a few easy things but either does not do or messes up the difficult issues.

  51. He didn’t keep his business promises either.

    Ask the banks, ask the vendors in Atlantic City.

  52. Reducing the debt is difficult,

    NYer, there aren’t many deficit hawks in either party. However, the House has the power of the purse. As Reagan said, “I never spent a dime.”

  53. The House has the power of initiation on spending bills but all spending must be passed by the House and the Senate, and is then subject to Presidential veto. So old Ronnie was telling a few fibs when he said that.

  54. Seamus, it will be interesting if the present spending bill (backed by Trump) will come through the Senate unscathed. But as I said, there are no deficit hawks to be found anymore. Maybe Senator Paul will put up a fuss. It will go to Conference and then be signed by the President, with all its pork and increased debt limit, IMO.

  55. I’d imagine it will pass the Senate relatively easily. As you say there aren’t too many out and out deficit hawks anymore. Some of the Senate allies of the Freedom Caucus may put up a fuss but probably not enough. I’d imagine that the leadership on both sides of the aisle have the votes to pass a cloture.

  56. Charles

    “NYer, there aren’t many deficit hawks in either party.” That is true yet less than a decade ago there were many deficit hawks. Still we pay quite a bit in interest. I’m not a deficit hawk but hate the enormous waste in many areas of government.

  57. NYer, Indeed. I’m in full agreement.

  58. There is significant waste in all levels of government here.

    There’s no real constituency to reform it either.

    There would be exceptional and abnormal levels of waste in the NYC/NYS area, more than in many other places.

  59. Congress…. made it LAW years ago that our Embassy would be in JERUSALEM that’s who made the Promise.

    The Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 is a public law of the United States passed by the post-Republican Revolution 104th Congress on October 23, 1995. The proposed law was adopted by the Senate, and the House. The Act became law without a presidential signature on November 8, 1995. The Act recognized Jerusalem as the capital of the State of Israel

    you know that promise right there……..

  60. “Congress…. made it LAW years ago that our Embassy would be in JERUSALEM that’s who made the Promise.”

    Congress doesn’t have the power to do so.

  61. Well done Patrick. I forgot about that.

  62. Seamus, specify please. Who has the power to do so in your opinion?

  63. The President. And only the President. As Chief Justice John Marshall put it: “The President is the sole organ of the nation in its external relations, and its sole representative with foreign nations”. Only the President can decide where an embassy goes.

  64. The thought of getting anything other than increases all around this budget were expected. The House is controlled by Dems. They aren’t cutting anything unless it’s defense and the RINOs in the GOB have proven they have no interest in cutting a dime. And BOTH sides wanted graft for their own little fiefdom.

    Lets see what happens after the republicans are back in control of both houses… last time the didn’t do crap, but who knows.

  65. So the President did!

  66. “So the President did!”

    Indeed. I’m not suggesting that Trump couldn’t do what he did (I would suggest that he shouldn’t have). I’m suggesting that the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 was illegal. Which is why it couldn’t be enforced on three separate Presidents.

  67. the Act became law without a presidential signature on November 8, 1995.

  68. Which is the constitutional norm. The President can do one of three things with a bill. He can sign it (entering it into law), not sign it (where it will become law after 10 days), or veto it.

  69. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/104/s1322/summary

    My question is how did the ACT become LAW without presidential signature?? Something is a bit fishy here.

  70. I did not know that.

  71. Its Article I, § 7, cl. 2:

    …If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

    The very last bit gives him another tactic – called a pocket veto. Simply where the Congress passes a law before adjournment but the President doesn’t sign it. It de facto vetoes the bill (without the possibility of Congressional override).

  72. Bravo Seamus! I am humbled to schooled on my own Constitution! 🙂

  73. You’re a gentleman Charles.

  74. the nice thing about Seamus is he does his research.

  75. Cheers Patrick.

  76. The Embassy move was a statement.

    Trumps not only saying it would be moved but actually getting it done in such a swift efficient manner. Up manned and running…..

    That sent the signal that the US is going to stand openly with Israel in the upcoming war. Every administration has walked that line down the middle…. until this one, and the message was received with quiet support from a block of Arab states.