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Death Fans Wanted Him Dead

By Phantom On August 1st, 2019

John Miller was convicted of second degree murder in 1998. He was convicted to life behind bars. For 21 years, he rotted in a Pennsylvania state prison, presumably angering death penalty fans who would have wanted this ” convicted murderer ” who had exhausted a number of appeals fried years ago.

This week, he walked out a free man – when another man confessed to the murder

What do death fans think about this case?

There are many more cases like this one.

31 Responses to “Death Fans Wanted Him Dead”

  1. He was sentenced to life behind the bars in state prison…… not death.

    Using a nondeath penalty case to protest the death penalty isn’t only stupid it proves the system works. The guy wasn’t sentence to death the case wasn’t solid enough for it to be a death case.

  2. No.

    The fans of death want all ” murderers ” executed. There is a website called ” ATW ” where people talk about this every so often, how they want many more executions and an expedited appeals process.

    The system did -not- work.

    The government stole 21 years of this man’s life.

  3. A Jury took 21 years of his life.

  4. The women have their guards down. They are too physically close to him.

  5. where’s Peter….lol

    It doesn’t get more hypocritical than A-listers jetting in on private planes to bemoan climate change at Google’s private party in Sicily this week.

    https://nypost.com/2019/07/31/googles-celeb-obsessed-search-for-climate-change-answers-is-a-hypocritical-joke/

  6. Phantom: “The fans of death want all ” murderers ” executed. ”

    False. Second degree murder (US), Manslaughter (UK) does not automatically incur the death penalty.

    It’s been this way for some time.

    By contrast, Ian Brady ( UK ) should have been hanged. I consider it inhumane a waste of money, and cruel and inhuman treatment to keep him locked up, yet occasionally dangling the prospect of release on licence in front of him then snatching it away.

  7. apl

    Do you agree that cops/prosecutors/juries will get it wrong a certain amount of the time, now matter how strong the procedures are?

    In the case I post here, at least the man wronged by a government trial gets to walk out. There is that.

    How does the man wrongfully executed by the government after a trial that reaches a wrong verdict find any degree of justice? There is no possibility of it.

  8. Using a nondeath penalty case to protest the death penalty isn’t only stupid it proves the system works.

    Actually it doesn’t prove that at all.

    The system doesn’t work if an innocent man can be be convicted of something he didn’t do. It proves that an innocent man can be convicted of a crime and that the death penalty could potentially kill him for a crime that he didn’t commit.

  9. ” The government can’t do anything right ” these guys say, once an hour.

    ” Except in criminal cases, where the government trial always delivers a fair verdict “

  10. The problem isn’t the death penalty: the problem is a system that lets the following happen…….

    John Miller was found guilty of second-degree murder back in 1998 in connection with the shooting death of parking lot attendant Anthony Millen, even though there was no physical evidence of his involvement, CBS Philadelphia reported.

    “…..no physical evidence of his involvement” and yet he’s sentenced to life. What kind of justice system can do that?

  11. Physical evidence isn’t the only sort of evidence. Yes this was a major miscarriage of justice but that doesn’t mean that any conviction related to witness evidence is somehow unsafe.

  12. “…..no physical evidence of his involvement” and yet he’s sentenced to life. What kind of justice system can do that?

    The kind where your fate is decided by 12 people that couldn’t think of a way out of jury duty.

  13. Patrick

    That’s a very honest statement

    People including police prosecutors and jurors make mistakes,

    And an exceptional number of prospective jurors Try to get out of serving any way they can.

    I don’t want our system, or any other system, Handing out death sentences

    A long prison sentence is no day at the beach; And at least if new evidence comes out 21 years later, the wrongly convicted can walk into the sunlight For some more days of life

  14. We need the death sentence but it can only be used in those cases where there is no doubt. And those cases should be limited to three appeals and 6 years maximum 2 year extension each appeal.

    Life with no parole is fine as long as it’s no parole.

  15. John Miller was convicted beyond any reasonable doubt. He had 10 appeals rejected. You just killed him.

  16. Sirhan Sirhan, David Berkowitz, and Charles Manson Didn’t get off easy

    A long life behind bars in a long punishment

    I am sure that many murderers would prefer the quick release of the electric chair or the rope to 50 years in jail

  17. who cares what they want, they lost the right to have any say in it.

  18. I do not agree with the death penalty for this, and other reasons.

  19. We need the death sentence

    Why? What for?

  20. Paul, did you see that Paul Hill’s and Courtney Kennedy’s only child died tragically this morning?

  21. Mark B

    As I’ve said here before. I wrestled with this issue for a long time.

    I finally reached the conclusion that it was immoral, but not in the way that the purists think.

    I see no moral problem with executing those guilty of premeditated murder, etc. It’s hard to say that such punishment is immoral when Jesus himself didn’t have a problem with it, when he didn’t even kvetch about his own execution.

    It is immoral because of the monstrous flaws in the US or any legal system that would deliver the death verdict. In the US, if a billionaire murders someone they can hire a ” great lawyer ” like the sleaze Dershowitz who will give a vigourous defense. If you are a poor person, you get a public defender who may fall asleep in court ( it has literally happened )

    There can be a rush to judgment, with police/prosecutors/juries making mistakes ( at best ) as in the 1994 case of the West Memphis Three, a particularly awful case that I have mentioned here before.

    In this case, there was no eyewitness testimony linking the convicted to the crime ( a murder of three young boys ), no physical evidence. The police work was weak, there was juror misconduct. Yet, in a rush to judgment, one of these young men was convicted to die, the other two sentenced to life.

    The idea of innocent people being put to death by the government is completely hateful to me. But if there is a death penalty that is widely used, such injustice is 100% certain.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/west-memphis-three-freed-after-18-years/

  22. Did you see that Paul Hill’s and Courtney Kennedy’s only child died tragically this morning?

    I didn’t Noel. Losing a child is probably the worst thing that can happen to a human being. It’s not the natural cycle of life.

    On a different matter I have to say I don’t have a high opinion of Paul Hill. Paul’s mother Lily, (nee Cushnahan, Hill is nephew of former NI Alliance Party leader John Cushnahan), a lovely, lovely, lovely woman lived up the street from me with his younger sister Marion and his younger brother and my friend through childhhod and adolescence Martin. The three of them would travel four times a year over to visit Hill in prison in England, which had a huge emotional, financial and physical toll on Lily.

    When Hill was released he became a cause célèbre and started mixing in high social circles like the Kennedys and estranged himself from his family in Belfast which took a bigger toll on Lily than all those years travelling to England to visit her innocent son in prison ever could.

  23. //It’s hard to say that such punishment is immoral when Jesus himself didn’t have a problem with it, when he didn’t even kvetch about his own execution.//

    Phantom, are you serious? You really mean that because Jesus didn’t complain about his own execution he was not against the death penalty in general???

    That’s absurd in itself, and even worse in view of everything he said about not judging or condemning people and about the wrongfullness of all violence.

    Those nuns must have neglected a lot in their teaching. One thing was that Jesus accepted the death sentence on himself precisely because he abhorred violence. It was, according to the Bible, all part of the grand redemption plan. It had obviouly nothing to do with social or legal issues.

  24. //which took a bigger toll on Lily than all those years travelling to England to visit her innocent son in prison ever could.//

    Hmmmmm I didn’t know that.

    I thought his description of growing up in Belfast during the early Troubles gave a good picture of what it must have been like. I can’t remember that his mother featured much in his story, but his grannie did. He was brought up by his grandparents, IIRC.

  25. Wow.

    There is a curse on the Kennedy family, has been one since the forties.

    That’s the last family I’d wish to be involved in.

  26. Surely Christ accepting the violence of his execution was more the symbolic martyrdom doctrine of him sacrificing himself for the sins of mankind than any acceptance of the death penalty?

    The fifth Commandment?

  27. He was brought up by his grandparents

    IIRC as the eldest child he was partly raised by his maternal grandparents in the lower Falls after his mother Lily and father Norman, a Protestant from Sandy Row, separated.

  28. This is a good, and funny, account of how Paul Hill got involved with the Kennedys.

    Also bears up your opinion of PH somewhat.

    Some of the Kennedys sound like a wild bunch, even if they’re loaded.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/you-only-live-twice-paul-hill-is-one-of-the-real-guildford-four-since-his-release-in-1989-real-life-1410398.html

  29. He that is without sin among you, let him insert the needle.

  30. Sorry to hear about Saoirse. I remember Courtney as a sweet young kid. Her cousins had a house up the hill from us growing up and we all did volunteer work with children with disabilities together. I only met Paul Hill once. Gerry Conlon 2x. PH was a funny guy but I was far more ‘impressed’ with Gerry. I don’t think the Kennedys are cursed but they are ‘risk takers’.

  31. as for the death penalty: just say no.