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Coming Soon To A Town Near You

By Mahons On August 5th, 2019

The shootings in El Paso and Dayton were not, in and of themselves, a suprise. Our reckless abundance of guns in the US and unwilliness to confront the issue seriously guarantees these incidents will continue to happen. Only the location shifts. This does not require particularly high levels of observation.
Other Western nations have racisim, violent video games, mentally ill citizens, and drug issues. What they dont have is our easy access to guns and body count. Please mark my words, nothing will be done.
As for Trump’s rhetoric, dont expect it to taper off. The majority of people who deny his racism need not bother. We know that they support him because of it, not in spite of it.
You cant make the case that all Trump supporters are white supremacists. But you could make the case all white supremacists are Trump supportrs.
Not all mass shootings are by those driven by the lunacies of white supremacy. These shooters share one thing, access to guns. The victims share the other thing, death and injury. And we as a nation share a third thing, responsibility for doing something about it.

58 Responses to “Coming Soon To A Town Near You”

  1. Back with a broadside, Mahons, if I may use the phrase here.

    One major part of the problem on the nutter side of US politics (plenty of evidence of it here) is that they can’t see the difference between metaphor and reality, and when some windbag talks of war on crime or on terror, or an “invasion” over the southern border, they automatically believe it’s a real war and a real invasion. And of course a true patriot must counter an invasion by any military action possible.

    Their leader now says – albeit without interrupting his golf break – that there is no place for hatred in America, after he has recently been the source of a constant stream of hatred against immigrants and Americans of certain immigrant background. He has talked of an invasion of rapists and criminals. Who believes a word this imbecile now says?

    He can’t complain when one of his many brainless supporters take him at his word.

  2. The Deadliest Mass Shootings In History. The largest mass shooting to ever occur was the Garissa University College Attack, in Garissa, Kenya, in 2014. 148 victims perished in the attack. The term “mass shooting” really only emerged in the post-World War II era.

    didn’t know Kenya was part of the US….

  3. Patrick, try to keep your insane ramblings off this thread at least.

    Stick to the subject and be truthful, if you can.

  4. “Mental illness and hate pull the trigger, not the gun,” Mr Trump said, speaking at the White House on Monday.

    Eh ????

    Demonstrates yet another thing he has in common with the gunmen – lack of education.

  5. Patrick -I’m afraid if we open the discussion up to things you don’t know we would be opening the discussion too to vast a list of topics for oNE blog to cover. Let us stick to what you probably know, that Kenya is not a Western nation.

  6. The oul ” mental illness and hatred only ” canard.

    Giving the haters and sick guns at will are no part of the problem apparently

    Good show, the Donald.

  7. I’m a Trump supporter, but I hope it’s obvious to all that I’m not a white supremacist. What I am is pro-law and order, and mass shooting, as well as illegal immigration doesn’t fit in that box.

    I am to the point that I would vote for certain firearms to be prohibited, ie the AR-15 for example.

  8. It is obvious to all Charles that you are not a white supremacist.

  9. Thank you Mahons. Good post BTW. Something had to be said.

    In El Paso today, two more victims died in hospital, raising the count to 22 lost.

  10. I just posted my opinion on the front page.

  11. Other Western nations have racisim, violent video games, mentally ill citizens, and drug issues. What they dont have is our easy access to guns and body count.

    Perfectly said Mahons. A blind man can see where the problem lies.

    Please mark my words, nothing will be done.

    Sound prediction. Barring some weasel words and soundbites about mental health and hate no substantive action.

    I’m a Trump supporter, but I hope it’s obvious to all that I’m not a white supremacist.

    Absolutely not. If your President was as humble, decent and compassionate Conservative as you I suspect public opinion may be very different.

  12. Please mark my words, nothing will be done.

    What should be done? I hear lots of “things should be done”, not so much detail or practical proposals.

  13. // If your President was as humble, decent and compassionate Conservative as you I suspect public opinion may be very different.//

    I suspect in that case that he wouldn’t be president.

    On the other hand, it probably isn’t right either to suggest most Trump supporters support him because of his racism. I don’t know, but I’d guess most are anti-racism or indifferent to the issue. They support him because he’s a figurehead for what they think should be done; which means it doesn’t really matter what he says or does, as he’s just “their man” among the more traditional people of power.

  14. For a daily visitor to these pages you’ve a poor memory if you don’t recall the numerous times that detailed pactical proposals have been put forth here.

  15. I don’t have a problem with Americans having guns.

    It’s the military grade or favourites of paramilitary such as the AK47 or automatic guns that have no place in the general population outside of computer games played by pimpled teenagers.

  16. I hear lots of “things should be done”, not so much detail or practical proposals

    With the excepted hunting / farm pest control banning all pistols and long arms outside small cal revolvers for home and personal protection.

    Thorough background checks for those applying for a permit and regular and continuous checks for those accepted.

    Mandatory on the granting of a permit all weapons must be strictly secured in a gun cabinet at home or stored at a club.

    N one under the age of 25 should be able to apply for a permit.

    That,

  17. I’d guess most are anti-racism or indifferent to the issue.

    A very large section of the crown chanting ‘send them back’ at his rally didn’t really convey that image.

  18. No Mahons, you’ll gave to do it again. “Something must be done” is not detailed or practical. Neither is signalling your virtue or suggesting that half the country is as racist as, say, AOC is anti-semitic.

    Maybe someone would like to post about detailed and practical proposals.

  19. Maybe someone would like to post about detailed and practical proposals.

    See my 6.40 above.

  20. “What should be done? I hear lots of “things should be done”, not so much detail or practical proposals.”

    Overwhelmingly there needs to be a ban on automatic and semi-automatic weapons (all self reloading weaponry). There should be legal standards that one has to meet before you can own a weapon (including gun safety classes, tests, safe securing practices etc…). It shouldn’t be easier to own a gun than a car.

    In Northern Ireland in order to own a gun you must have a legitimate reason to own one (hunter, farmer, personal protection weapon etc…). The gun must also be relevant to that legitimate reason (a farmer can own a shotgun, he can’t own an Uzi). Not everyone can have a PPW either (they must have legitimate grounds for having one). There are bans in place for certain people (based on criminal record or medial information). The must pay and have inspected a proper gun cabinet for the same securing of all weapons they own. And it is also an on-going process. A person doesn’t just get a certificate for use and that is the end of it. It is a repeating process.

    I said that yesterday. Do try to keep up Pete.

  21. “What should be done? I hear lots of “things should be done”, not so much detail or practical proposals.”

    Overwhelmingly there needs to be a ban on automatic and semi-automatic weapons (all self reloading weaponry). There should be legal standards that one has to meet before you can own a weapon (including gun safety classes, tests, safe securing practices etc…). It shouldn’t be easier to own a gun than a car.

    In Northern Ireland in order to own a gun you must have a legitimate reason to own one (hunter, farmer, personal protection weapon etc…). The gun must also be relevant to that legitimate reason (a farmer can own a shotgun, he can’t own an Uzi). Not everyone can have a PPW either (they must have legitimate grounds for having one). There are bans in place for certain people (based on criminal record or medial information). The must pay and have inspected a proper gun cabinet for the same securing of all weapons they own. And it is also an on-going process. A person doesn’t just get a certificate for use and that is the end of it. It is a repeating process.

    I said that yesterday. Do try to keep up Pete.

  22. Those are good suggestions. As PVR said, a good place to start is getting guns out of the hands of felons.

  23. Pete – you are both an advocate for white supremacy and evidence of its fallacy.

  24. //As PVR said, a good place to start is getting guns out of the hands of felons.//

    His is a circular argument. The garlic festival gunman in California had a license for his weapon.
    Ah, but he was still a felon because he murdered people at the garlic festival, you will say.

  25. I was just thinking….. In his manifesto, this guy was in favour of liberal gun ownership, hated Dems and liberals, believed in ethnic replacement, hated global corporations, hated immigrants but loved the environment ……

  26. Seamus –

    I was out all day yesterday, but there are certainly some suggestions there. How would that package stand up to a 2nd Amendment test in front of the Supremes?

    This is what I mean about “practical”. It’s not practical if it would be struck down in court. The 2nd isn’t going anywhere so that’s the test.

  27. “How would that package stand up to a 2nd Amendment test in front of the Supremes?”

    Probably not very well, not least due to the recent Republican vandalism of the Supreme Court. So the practical suggestion is pack the court. Increase the number of Supreme Court judges and only confirm those who are willing to read down the 2nd Amendment.

  28. Practical Pete? Here ya go:

    Answering a 217-year old constitutional question, the Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to have a gun, at least in one’s home. The Court, splitting 5-4, struck down a District of Columbia ban on handgun possession. Although times have changed since 1791, Justice Antonin Scalia said for the majority, “it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct.”

    Examining the words of the Amendment, the Court concluded “we find they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation” — in other words, for self-defense. “The inherent right of self-defense has been central to the Second Amendment right,” it added.

    https://www.scotusblog.com/2008/06/court-a-constitutional-right-to-a-gun/

    With the excepted hunting / farm pest control banning all pistols and long arms outside small cal revolvers for home and personal protection.

    Thorough background checks for those applying for a permit and regular and continuous checks for those accepted.

    Mandatory on the granting of a permit all weapons must be strictly secured in a gun cabinet at home or stored at a club.

  29. A side question on guns in Northern Ireland: has gun ownership changed since the peace process? I remember when there was a (perceived?) disparity between “nationalists legal gun ownership” and “unionists legal gun ownership”. It sticks in my mind because the rallying cry was “Nationalists have no arms!” or something like that. Oh the poor armless people. How do they manage? I’m guessing the nationalists have their guns now for appropriate purposes and aren’t discriminated against???

  30. Broadly speaking there are two types of people with weapons in Northern Ireland (legally anyway). Farmers/country types (who have shotguns etc…) and former British security services (who will normally have a PPW handgun). Both groups are disproportionately (in the later case almost exclusively) unionist. So even now legal gun ownership in Northern Ireland would be primarily unionist.

  31. mairin2 –

    No change. The IRA still has its guns. Apparently they are all held under permit and strictly secured in a gun cabinet at home or stored at a club.

  32. Apparently they are all held under permit and strictly secured in a gun cabinet at home or stored at a club.

    You asked for practical proposals Pete. If you don’t like the answers maybe you shouldn’t ask the questions?

  33. Excellent post Mahons.

    Charles in Texas,

    //I am to the point that I would vote for certain firearms to be prohibited, ie the AR-15 for example.//

    Well said Charles.

  34. There is no need to pack court. The Supremes have upheld reasonable restrictions I past.

  35. Fair enough. I would suggest that as a course of action should reasonable restrictions be ruled unconstitutional by the current Supreme Court.

  36. In Canada you get a a five year license to own guns after taking a safety course or two depending on the type of gun you wish to own and a written application listing 2 references and a declaration by your partner that they agree you should have a gun

  37. Non restricted guns require that 1 safety course and consist of rifles and shotguns and they do not need to be individually registered

    Restricted is for hand guns and assault rifles. You are only allowed to shoot them on an approved range and to transport them to and from the range and each gun has to be individually registered to the owner

  38. All guns have to be stored in a manner that makes them uneasily accessed, it’s not spelled out but is generally held to mean a gun safe

    Clips are limited in to 5 rounds for semi tutorials and 10 for hand guns

    The gun laws are universal and national so there is no jurisdictional differences

  39. Such a system could work any where

    No license no guns ownership and the large number o illegal guns could be easily stripped off the street quickly and with little fuss

  40. The killing of 20 elementary-school children in Newtown, Connecticut changed absolutely nothing. You would think a bunch of five year old babies getting massacred at school would ring alarm bells for legislators.

    My son’s high school went through two school shooter lock downs this year. Boys who had brought guns on campus, who had taken them from their parents bedrooms.

    We are a nation of numb, morally bankrupt people and the governmental response to these latest mass murders will be absolutely nothing.

    Mahon’s is right. Nothing will change, nothing will be done, more people will needlessly die.

  41. Seems counter intuitive, but the share price in gun manufacturing companies goes up after a massacre. Strange, but true.

  42. it’s because gun owners go on a buying spree just incase they pass any stupid new law like an assault weapons ban….

    Barrack Obama’s picture was in the lobby of glock his whole term as their best salesman.

    This week every black gun and high capacity mag will be sold out.

  43. in regards to Daphne… some change came about, but not enough. All the schools in that area now have armed guards I believe. That program needs to be nationwide. All schools need to be hardened targets. Armed guards on controlled scan entrances.

    We must protect the children while the adults argue the issue.

  44. More people converted to certain religions after 9/11 and other atrocities. Fact.

  45. She said that the guns were kept unlocked in the parent’s bedrooms.

    Those parents were extremely lackadaisical on gun safety, to allow high school students access to them

  46. Or to be painfully technical she said this which makes me believe that the guns were unlocked

    Boys who had brought guns on campus, who had taken them from their parents bedrooms.

    If loaded guns were in the bedroom where young teenagers could access them, those parents should have been arrested. Though I doubt that they were.

  47. It’s because gun owners go on a buying spree just incase they pass any stupid new law like an assault weapons ban….

    You’ve previously told us that assault weapons aren’t available to the public and that Bushwhackers etc aren’t AWs?

    Which is it?

    That program needs to be nationwide. All schools need to be hardened targets. Armed guards on controlled scan entrances.

    Absolute, utter fucking insanity.

  48. The gun nuts created the problem, now they are so arrogant as to dictate the solution. The solution is always ” more guns ”

    Let’s live in a grim prison camp, with armed guards on the alert everywhere.

  49. Trump will be in El Paso tomorrow, which of course has already become highly politicized by the Democrats, saying he’s not welcome. Our mayor, a Republican, says that the President is always welcome here.

    Hopefully he will bring the $470,000 he still owes the city for his rally!

    The gun nuts created the problem, now they are so arrogant as to dictate the solution.

    Why? As Pat says, because they have the guns!

  50. You’ve previously told us that assault weapons aren’t available to the public and that Bushwhackers etc aren’t AWs?

    Which is it?

    just using their terminology everyone knows they aren’t assault weapons. In the trade these replica guns are categorized as “Black Guns”.

  51. Charles

    No one is physically afraid of this pack of jittery jokers who can’t shoot straight – only politically.

    They have undue political clout due to their monomaniacal focus on one issue only.

  52. Phantom, I may be a little jittery myself after this latest incident that was much too close to home!

  53. Just using their terminology everyone knows they aren’t assault weapons. In the trade these replica guns are categorized as “Black Guns”.

    Poe’s Law Pat:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

    The militarised appearance of these weapns would seem to fit into the John Wayne / Hollywood macho bullshit / intimidation compensating for low self esteem argument.

    Why? As Pat says, because they have the guns!

    Charles, only around 34% of Americans are gun owners:

    34% of American Families with children under the age of 18 say they have a firearm at home,which is nearly identical to the share of childless adults or those with older children who have a firearm at home:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/15/the-demographics-and-politics-of-gun-owning-households/

  54. These guys aren’t interested in facts.

    And 34% is an awful lot.

    In NY or Boston, unless you were a cop, people would think that you’re pretty strange to want to have a loaded gun in the house where people live.

  55. These guys aren’t interested in facts.

    And 34% is an awful lot.

    In NY or Boston, unless you were a cop, people would think that you’re pretty strange to want to have a loaded gun in the house where people live.

  56. I don’t know if it’s an awful lot Phantom. A sizeable minority yes but an awful lot I don’t know.

    I suspect there’d be a similar % (or maybe more?) who regularly use recreational drugs.

  57. Yes but a pot smoker isn’t generally a danger to the other people in the house or to the neighbors

    In many cases, a gun owner is such a danger, even if he thinks that he’s acting in the interest of safety.

    If one in three of the people near me had loaded guns in their houses, or if one in three on the subways had a concealed gun on their person, that would be most concerning. It certainly would not make this place safer.

    One in three to me is a huge ratio.

  58. Phantom I love guns I have more than 2 dozen and I agree completely with you

    None of mine are loaded or easily accessed

    The problem with people like Pat owning guns can be summed up as: to a man with a hammer everything looks like a nail