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God, Guns, and Guts… or why we cling to our religion and our guns…

By Patrick Van Roy On August 5th, 2019

This has been a busy weekend crazies popping up everywhere. 20 dead, 42 wounded in one, 9 killed in the other including his own sister. Big headlines.  What didn’t make CNN, or cause the Presidential Candidates to make any statements were the 59 Wounded and 8 Killed by Gunfire in Chicago…. not a word. You can make your own conclusions why.

We need to ban guns….. Well you can’t. Those of us that obey the Law and own them won’t let you have them. You can cry, whine, bitch and moan. It doesn’t matter even if you were to make it illegal from this day forward to ever buy a firearm you have no way of seizing the 500 Million Firearms in the hands of the American public legal and illegal.

If you were to try you would provoke a second civil war bloodier than our first one. So what if anything should be done ?  300 Million of those 500 Million Guns that are in the hands of Law Abiding Americans and those Guns will never be used in a crime. The other 200 Million are in the hands of Felons. People who have no right to own a gun that are explicitly forbidden to own them due to their own behavior. Those 200 Million Guns we can do something about.

40yrs ago Mandatory Sentencing for Firearms was made Law, 5 years no parole first offence, 15 second, and 30 third. All on top of whatever sentence you received from your predicating crime. This Law was immediately attacked as racist, and even though it is still Law on the books no one is ever charged under this Law.

The Left need to make a choice. What’s more important Political Correctness or Peoples Lives ? Up to this point the Democrat Party has chosen PC over PL. The problem is they can not be honest, over 90% of 3,338 gun violence deaths were black on black crimes. So of course if the law is used a higher proportion of black people are going to be affected by it. That’s not the Laws fault, that’s not cops or judges being racist, it’s the reality that our urban environment has collapsed. It’s residents have no family structure, no education, and no job opportunities. That breeds violence.  Look at the map in the article in the box it shows highest teenage deaths due to guns. Each red spot is a major collapsed city.

In 2018 alone, there have been 13,054 incidents of gun violence in the United States, including 51 mass shootings, leading to 3,338 deaths and 5,848 injuries with 146 children (aged 0 to 11) and 623 teens (aged 12 to 17) killed or injured. Here is a a map showing all the teens killed and injured by guns in 2018.

The problem is not our love of and availability of Firearms that’s the problem. The problem is American Society’s cowardness at being honest where the problem really lies.

As for these occasional crazzies….. sorry you can’t stop them. That’s just part of life… and a damn good reason to be armed yourself.

So go ahead whine, cry, complain, wrench your hands in anguish…… It won’t change a single thing and you can’t have our guns…. get over it.

59 Responses to “God, Guns, and Guts… or why we cling to our religion and our guns…”

  1. Odes to violence best ignored.

    Anybody watching the cricket?

  2. The problem is American Society’s cowardness at being honest where the problem really lies.

    Where? Spell it out please.

  3. Don’t feed the Patrick Van Roys 🙂

  4. “What’s more important Political Correctness or Peoples Lives ? “

    What is more important – your gun fetish or people’s lives?

  5. It’s not a fetish, it’s not about hunting, it’s a tool of survival. Look the country was founded on guns it is a keystone of america’s existence all that put aside you want it spelled out plainly….

    You’ve all seen the scenes of Baltimore in the last week. Every major city in the US has a section of the city that looks exactly like that. There are sections of NY, Philly, Detroit, Chicago, LA, etc where gun fire occurs every day and nobody saw nuthin….

    We destroyed our urban centers, the industry has all been taxed or outsourced out of the city along with the majority of the families that happened to still consist of both a mother and father in the household. Our system destroyed the rest. It removed god from the schools, fathers from the home, and responsibility out of the lives of a whole section of our society, while at the same time trapping them in a cycle of poverty.

    Not one Child in the Baltimore Public School District tested that they could read or do math. That’s not some 200 year dead white guys fault. We have created giant swaths of poverty and despair in the midsts of massive wealth. We ignore the insane and the addicted and allow them to fend for themselves on the street. These conditions lead to violence. When you commit a violent act they plead you out and send you right back out on the streets.

    The whole Urban structure and national addiction structure needs to change. The first and easiest thing to do is use the gun laws and remove the violent from the mix, but since the majority are minorities you can’t do it…. your racist you only want to lock up black people.

    We need to lock up and breakup every drug market in the country, we need to hunt down and cage the most violent. Then at the same time you audit the schools and rehab programs… we sent 19 Billion to Baltimore where did it go. While that’s going on you creat empowerment zones and organizers locals as workers to demolish every abandoned piece of property.

    That’s as plain as I can spell it out.

  6. There are sections of the city like that because of guns. Guns are the problem not the solution.

  7. Seamus, on August 5th, 2019 at 8:39 PM Said: Edit Comment
    There are sections of the city like that because of guns. Guns are the problem not the solution.

    So the gun created the poverty, the addiction and the despair…. if we remove the guns there will be no more poverty, addiction, and despair the anti gun fairy will have wisked it all away….

    Seamus how does removing the gun create a job?

    Seamus how does removing the gun treat addiction?

    Seamus how does removing the gun fix the schools?

    Seamus how does removing the gun alleviate the despair ?

  8. What? You don’t think that there are bad guys in Europe that have guns?

    You don’t think that there’s massive social problems that you speak in London & Dublin?

    You don’t think that there’s huge education under attainment in communities in Belfast, Liverpool & Glasgow?

    Naval gazing excuses for not wanting to admit the real causes of gun crime in the US and that’s the easy availability of guns. The European continent doesn’t have anywhere near the gun violence stats the US does. There’s a reason for that.

  9. “So the gun created the poverty, the addiction and the despair…. if we remove the guns there will be no more poverty, addiction, and despair the anti gun fairy will have wisked it all away…”

    Pretty much exactly what Paul said. The gun creates the gun crime. Yes there is poverty, addition, poor education and a whole host of other social problems in these areas. But those issues happen in other countries to.

    And the same can be applied to every other bullshit excuse the gun lobby throw at it. Other countries have mental health problems. Other countries have violent video games. Other countries have everything else. There is only one thing, and one thing only, that sets America apart from the rest of the civilised world when it comes to this issue. Guns.

    Poverty, crime, drugs, despair, violent video games, and a mental health crisis do not cause gun violence. Guns do.

  10. Naval gazing excuses for not wanting to admit the real causes of gun crime in the US and that’s the easy availability of guns. The European continent doesn’t have anywhere near the gun violence stats the US does. There’s a reason for that.

    My simple answer to that is….. SO ?

    That’s because your pack of societal lightweights….. over here you step wrong you might just get shot….. oh well, don’t step wrong and be ready in case something happens around you.

    I carry a gun and I can shoot the ass out of a gnat. I’ve seen people shot, shit happens. Just don’t panic. The violence of my society is accepted if it wasn’t there wouldn’t have been 59 wounded and 8 killed this week, 34 wounded 13 killed the weekend before in Chicago and nobody barely made a peep….

    Those who live in the cities know where not to walk ask Phantom.

    The one truth that you can take to the bank those of us with legal firearms won’t even talk to you about what we have until you disarm and LOCK UP the criminals who get arrested with a gun and shouldn’t have them…

    It’ll be a cold day in hell until then before we’ll even think about the conversation of disarming.

  11. PVR

    “It’s not a fetish, it’s not about hunting, it’s a tool of survival.” That is what the cops are for, ie, protecting your survival. Most gun totters do it as a fashion statement. ‘I’ve got a really expensive gun from a top manufacturer, watch me swagger down the street’.

  12. I carry a utility gun and no matter if I’m wearing Armani or Levi. You’ll never see my gun and if you go through one of my classes it is stressed it’s CONCEALED carry… we don’t need cowboys.

  13. Responsibility is everything.

  14. My simple answer to that is….. SO ?

    So stop making excuses for the high levels of gun violence in American society and have the balls to admit where the problem really lies, the availability of and access to guns.

  15. the problem isn’t guns though…. those of us in possession of the 300 million LEGAL ones aren’t killing anybody except the exceptional loon every now and then.

    And it’s not the other 200 million ILLEGALLY owned guns fault either….

    The fault is with the animals,,, as your seeing in your societies they’ll use swords and knives the inanimate objects aren’t responsible for crap…

  16. The US homicide rate is much higher than pretty much every other western country. So take the gun out of the situation and people will still kill each other just not in anywhere the same numbers.

  17. The fault is with the animals,,, as your seeing in your societies they’ll use swords and knives the inanimate objects aren’t responsible for crap…

    There have been 0ver 200 mass shooting incidents in the US so far in 2019 Pat:

    Paul McMahon, on August 4th, 2019 at 6:40 PM Said:

    There’s been over 200 mass shootings in the US this year Pat:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019

    At least 17 of them resulting in mass fatalities:

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/deadly-mass-shootings-month-2019/story?id=63449799

    There’s a reason that that doesen’t happen in Europe and it’s not because Europe is deprivation or crime free.

  18. I’ve been in meetings all afternoon

    By Jove this looks like the usual hogwash

  19. //There is only one thing, and one thing only, that sets America apart from the rest of the civilised world when it comes to this issue. Guns.//

    It isn’t only guns. The US has a totally different history – conquest, the frontier, fear of natives, puritanism and all its simplifications, vast waves of immigration of the wild, the adventurous and the desperate from Europe and elsewhere.

    Europe has for centuries, or at least until the 20th C, had much more settled and structured societies.

    All of these things lead to a certain wildness or willingness to take risks or to live for the moment, in a bad sense it could be called irresponsibility, among far more Americans compared to Europeans.

    Removing guns from the picture would obviously help crime statistics, but there would probably still be much more crime there.

  20. Couldn’t similar comments be made bout, partcilarly Aus, and Canada Noel?

    There would surely still be crime there, no country is crime free. But there may be much, much less gun violence and death.

  21. A huge percentage of the population doesn’t have proper health coverage By conscious choice of the government and stupid voters who think it’s good To have people do without health coverage

    That separates America from all other countries what

  22. A good place to start would be to separate religious language from gun ownership. The right to bear arms is in the Constitution, not the Bible.

  23. There have been 0ver 200 mass shooting incidents in the US so far in 2019 Pat:

    That site uses a nonprofit group that counts anytime 4 or more people are shot it’s a mass shooting,,,, 99% of what they classify a mass shootings are gang violence.

    All shootings by animals that shouldn’t have guns…. but those ms-13 crips and bloods are being singled out because they are minorities it’s oppressive racism to lock them up.

  24. You’ve written many angry manifestos But this may be the most incoherent manifesto yet

    Who said that CNN Didn’t broadcast anything about the victims? I doubt what do you say very much. Other media including NYT did write about the victims

    What did you write about the victims?

    Who here or on a national stage spoke of banning all guns?

  25. //Couldn’t similar comments be made bout, partcilarly Aus, and Canada Noel?//

    Interesting question. Maybe the fact that both of these places remained under the mother country is one reason, another was that they were relatively sparcely populated by immigration, and the immigrants who did come generally came from the same place. I think a very important difference was that there was also not so much hope of riches or fear of starvation as there was in the US, not so much ruthless competition, nor the same struggle for land and risk of attack by the natives.

    For some reason, “the Wild West” referring to western Australia or British Columbia somehow doesn’t ring true.

    It’s also peculiar that “Ned Kelly country” is now once of the most settled and conservative parts of Australia.

    Which reminds me, when the British were in all of Ireland, otherwise intelligent people often talked about the wild people of Tipperary and Cork etc. The idea was that there was some genetic thing in them that made the people in those places naturally reckless and lawless; “excitable” was the word often used.
    The fact that Tipp and Cork also have some of the best land in Ireland and that the natives were for so long kept from owning it or profiting from it was never mentioned.

    And then the British left and the people got the land, and suddenly these two places became among the most law-abiding in the country. So politics and the social structure and things like hope and hopelessness have a lot to do with it.

    I’d say the easy availability of guns makes the problem much worse, and also feeds into insecurity which in turn makes the people more “excitable” etc etc.

  26. A good place to start would be to separate religious language from gun ownership. The right to bear arms is in the Constitution, not the Bible.

    our rights in the constitution are just an acknowledgement of our god given right Charles that is not their origin they are given us by natures creator….. not the constitution.

  27. CNN wrote and broadcast plenty about the victims

    https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/el-paso-shooting-victims/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fduckduckgo.com%2F

    It is extreme satanic blasphemy to justify gun worship by claiming it is gods will

  28. https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/dayton-shooting-victims/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fduckduckgo.com%2F

  29. God said “Put your sword back, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword”. I doubt he would have said that and then followed it up with it is your right to own an AR-15.

  30. Phantom, on August 5th, 2019 at 10:40 PM Said: Edit Comment
    You’ve written many angry manifestos But this may be the most incoherent manifesto yet

    Who said that CNN Didn’t broadcast anything about the victims? I doubt what do you say very much. Other media including NYT did write about the victims

    What did you write about the victims?

    Who here or on a national stage spoke of banning all guns?

    I love it you say I’m incoherent and claim I’m writing a manifesto really Tom why don’t you copy it send it to the FBI…. look look he wrote a manifesto and he he owns guns…. lock him up mr fbi man…..

    Your a loon Phantom and every Democrat candidate has called for banning guns I’ll post you a montage…. So tell me the NYT has the Chicago story on the front page with the other two….?

    Link Please

    You see it’s loons like Phantom that we know are dangerous…. he does not approve so I should do without….

    Kiss my ass, I’m a Law Abiding citizen if I want to own 100 guns and a million rounds of ammo it really isn’t any of your business now is it?

    My guns have killed less people than Teddy Kennedy’s car as the joke goes…. and my gun has saved my life I know firsthand how a properly used can save lives.

    Punishing the Law abiding for the actions of the criminal and the crazy is not how this is ever going to work.

  31. No Jesus said “ Let thou follow the NRA as thy Shepherd and fill your house with machine guns bump stocks and flamethrowers “

    Pat 3:16

  32. You better hope there is no God after you abuse his name like that

  33. omg Phantom you really are stupid aren’t you….?

    The post and here in the thread both say THE 59 WOUNDED AND 8 DEAD IN CHICAGO…..

    Where are the stories about CHICAGO……..

    What a maroon

  34. I made my peace with the Lord have YOU ?

  35. I don’t put words in his mouth

    Especially Words that go against everything that he ever said

  36. CNN Has done plenty of good reporting on the shooting death problem in Chicago.

    They broadcast and write about it constantly

    https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/chicago-mount-sinai-hospital/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent%29&r=https%3A%2F%2Fduckduckgo.com%2F

  37. That site uses a nonprofit group that counts anytime 4 or more people are shot it’s a mass shooting

    So? are you now going to quibble over methodology as another excuse for you not admitting the real problem?

    99% of what they classify a mass shootings are gang violence.

    Please link to verification of this claim.

    All shootings by animals that shouldn’t have guns

    Again, do you not think that bad guys in Europe have guns as well? Here’s the link to the seventeen fatal shooting so far this year. It’s a bit more specific, how many are gang related?

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/deadly-mass-shootings-month-2019/story?id=63449799

  38. “I made my peace with the Lord have YOU ?”

    The real question is has He made His peace with you when you continue to defy His will?

  39. How do I defy the will of the lord……?

  40. Veritas vos liberabit

  41. Maybe when He says violence begets violence you should listen to Him.

  42. “This life therefore is not righteousness, but growth in righteousness, not health, but healing, not being but becoming, not rest but exercise. We are not yet what we shall be, but we are growing toward it, the process is not yet finished, but it is going on, this is not the end, but it is the road. All does not yet gleam in glory, but all is being purified.”

  43. I don’t think quoting a pacifist lends credence to your argument Patrick.

  44. Man is a beast a creature infinite in complexity angel or demon, idiot or genius, but always man…. the hairless monkey that laughs

  45. Charles in Texas.
    //A good place to start would be to separate religious language from gun ownership. The right to bear arms is in the Constitution, not the Bible.//

    Once again, well said Charles.

  46. Can any of the gun advocates here tell me why gun ownership in the US can’t be restricted to small calibre revolvers for personal and home protection and, (with of course some exceptions), long barrelled and semi auto pistols can’t be banned for the average 5’8 general population and that initial background checks prior to granting of permit and regular and continuous cheks can’t be made when permit is granted?

    Why are these unaccepatable proposals to the 2nd Ammendment guys?

  47. //Why are these unaccepatable proposals to the 2nd Ammendment guys?//

    Simply because with proper rifles you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government attacking you with supersonic planes, laser-guided missiles, drones and tanks and ultimately nuclear bombs, but pistols alone would be no good.

  48. Indeed Noel.

  49. Paul

    The question makes sense but –the gun fanatics don’t believe in the ” Second Amendment ” at all. They believe in guns everywhere, with nearly no rules at all.

    They don’t understand that intent of that amendment, which they’ve never read. And they don’t understand that reasonable gun controls are absolutely allowed under the Constitution.

    Just as Trump supporters generally support him for highly emotional reasons having little to do with any issues, the gun fanatics support zero regulation ( which is what they really want ) for emotional reasons that have nothing to do with personal safety or overthrowing a government that they don’t prefer.

    Some imbecile who ” open carries ” though a residential area or a store intimidates the neighbors, which is the intent.

    A gun makes a weak, insecure man feel strong.

    None of the above is directed at the majority of gun owners in the US, who are not fanatics.

  50. If you were to try you would provoke a second civil war bloodier than our first one.

    About 620,000 died in the Civil War. You threaten something worse if you don’t get your way.

    Who are you threatening to shoot?

    Police officers enforcing the law? The military? Civilian employees of the federal government? The squad?

    The first shot won’t be fired by Michael Bloomberg or Bernie Sanders.

    So who will fire the first shot and who will that shot be aimed at?

  51. Just as Trump supporters generally support him for highly emotional reasons having little to do with any issues, the gun fanatics support zero regulation ( which is what they really want ) for emotional reasons that have nothing to do with personal safety or overthrowing a government that they don’t prefer.

    Some imbecile who ” open carries ” though a residential area or a store intimidates the neighbors, which is the intent.

    I suspect that’ correct Phantom. I’ve long thought that there’s a John Wayne Hollywood masculinity attached to zero gun regulation which compensates for low self esteem.

    I really don’t understand how any reasonable person can object to reasonable regulation.

  52. If you were to try you would provoke a second civil war bloodier than our first one.

    I think that bluster and wishful hyperbole.

    This is five years old and explains that 34% of American Families with children under the age of 18 say they have a firearm at home,which is nearly identical to the share of childless adults or those with older children who have a firearm at home:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/15/the-demographics-and-politics-of-gun-owning-households/

    If that’sthe case unless things have drastcally in five years I think a ‘civil war’ very unlikely.

  53. Daphne a while back of how some guy ” open carried ” a pistol through a residential neighborhood.

    Even in gun friendly Texas, that’s not something that a sane or good person would do in a million years.

    But the gun nuts think that anyone should be able to do it anywhere.

    There are weirdo sites that talk only about this matter. See below, with the fetishized female with open carry pistols

    https://opencarry.org/

  54. Noel,

    //Simply because with proper rifles you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government attacking you with supersonic planes, laser-guided missiles, drones and tanks and ultimately nuclear bombs, but pistols alone would be no good.//

    Exactly mate. it’s not like the 1800s when an armed population could defend themselves against an oppressive government. Times have changed. Which is why the rules on gun ownership should change.
    To put it into context, the population will be bringing a gun to a laser guided drone fight.

  55. Dave,

    Paul McMahon, on November 8th, 2018 at 9:56 PM Said:

    The 2nd Ammendment as an argument is rubbish.

    As I’ve previously stated, all a government need to do against some toy soldier armed militia is contain them in an isloated area and a few hellfire missiles from drones would put their nonsense to bed. AR 15 and 9 mil semis won’t do much good against that.

  56. “Republicans are headed for extinction in the suburbs if they don’t distance themselves from the NRA. The GOP needs to put forth solutions to help eradicate the gun violence epidemic,” said Dan Eberhart, a Republican donor and oil-and-gas executive who supports President Donald Trump.

    ( Bloomberg )

    True.

  57. Phantom, on August 6th, 2019 at 12:13 PM Said: Edit Comment
    If you were to try you would provoke a second civil war bloodier than our first one.

    About 620,000 died in the Civil War. You threaten something worse if you don’t get your way.

    Who are you threatening to shoot?

    Police officers enforcing the law? The military? Civilian employees of the federal government? The squad?

    The first shot won’t be fired by Michael Bloomberg or Bernie Sanders.

    So who will fire the first shot and who will that shot be aimed at?

    A little lesson in American politics…… and Guns

    A quarter or less of the American Public are antigun a third are progun and 3 quarters ride the fence… they know there are to many shootings, but they also know the problem isn’t the legal gun owners.

    An event like this happens and the antiwackos go on their tirades…. and attack law abiding citizens because of the actions of a crazy person.

    They push their phoney universal background check scenario and a hundred other bits of spin. If you challenge them this is what you get…. a hysterical metrosexual accusing a legal gun owner of threatening to shoot people…..

    So sad Phantom

    FACTS: there are more people that own guns than there are people that want to take them away. The people who own guns will never voluntarily give them up. They will NEVER make the first move, but they will defend themselves. Defending yourself from tyranny is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment.

    The question is a matter of resolve and those that are armed have more resolve just by the nature of who they are.

    Are the gun owners worried… No these people can’t take the guns out of the hands of those who are already forbidden to have them…. you really think they’ll be able to disarm a group that has over 20 million highly trained gunmen…. yeah next joke….

    The sheep are braying but that’s all they are is sheep….

    You can’t have our guns…. period.

  58. Paul.

    //As I’ve previously stated, all a government need to do against some toy soldier armed militia is contain them in an isloated area and a few hellfire missiles from drones would put their nonsense to bed. AR 15 and 9 mil semis won’t do much good against that.//

    Well said to you too Paul.

  59. Pat you don’t do math very well