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Happy Labor Day

By Patrick Van Roy On September 2nd, 2019

We tip our hats to ourselves today…. to Labor, Free and Independent sweat for rent….. Amen

Got the grill going, steaks, burgers, dogs and corn…. cooler full of beer and soda with good blues blaring out the window.

Summer is officially over in the US.

62 Responses to “Happy Labor Day”

  1. Much amore appropriate for the day that’s in it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdOCWUgwiWs

  2. screw the Unions…..

  3. Of course. The working man shouldn’t have any safegaurds against unscrupulous employers at all, the Commie bastards.

    Happy Labour Day, fuck the working man.

  4. Anyone know this one? A great ballad about a forgotten tragedy in the American labour movement, showing that US officialdom didn’t restrict its massacres to Indians.
    Most of the victims of the massacre were children. Nobody was ever prosecuted for the crimes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDd64suDz1A

  5. those battles were won a hundred years ago…. Unions have lasted long enough to become the enemy of the worker…..

  6. a horrible event Noel

  7. Unions have lasted long enough to become the enemy of the worker…..

    Yes, workers shouldn’t have any protection whatsoever against exploitation and abjection. Five day week? Sick pay? Paid holidays? Fuck that!

    My favourite version is the Christy Moore one Noel.

  8. *Planxty one Noel.

  9. The great Okie moved to New York City in the forties, And was immediately embraced by the local folk music community

    He made His first recordings here

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/171136854560786665/

  10. Or this one – Joe Hill was an American trades union official murdered by the State of Utah in 1915.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2OivplOBq8

  11. The greatest version of a magnificent song Seamus.

  12. My New York City
    Words and Music by Woody Guthrie, Additional music by Mike Merenda and Ruth Ungar

    I am riding on this west end train this grey and rainy day
    I’m looking out my window at a sight so fair to see
    I’ve walked and rode in rain and sun through Brooklyn, Bronx, and Queens,
    Seen a billion, jillion faces that are New York town to me.

    CHORUS:
    Ride my subway train from here to heaven
    Ride my ferry boat up my muddy river
    Walk our beach sand and our blades of green grass
    My New York City is the town where I found you.

    I can see our black roof housetops shining yonder in the rain
    I see our concrete highway running yonder in the sun
    I see your face there shining where the kids play in the streets
    And in a billion, jillion windows that are New York town to me.

    CHORUS

    No matter where this train rolls I look out my window glass
    Your eyes shine in my tree leaves and my buildings that I pass
    I’d give my fame and fortune up to hold your hand today
    And go a billion jillion places that are New York town to me.

    CHORUS

    I am riding on this west end train this grey and rainy da

  13. Yes, workers shouldn’t have any protection whatsoever against exploitation and abjection. Five day week? Sick pay? Paid holidays? Fuck that!

    They already have all that and much more protected by Law.

    The Largest Union in the United States is the Government Employees Union and it needs to busted…. it’s dangerous and illegitimate.

  14. Which worker protection laws do you support? Which do you oppose?

  15. Actually the American Federation of Government Employees is the 18th largest trade union in the United States.

  16. They already have all that and much more protected by Law

    Yes, and they were just altruistically given it by unscrupluous, avaricious employers.

  17. These guys take the side of bosses over workers every single time

  18. //The great Okie moved to New York City in the forties, And was immediately embraced by the local folk music community//

    Phantom, and this young fellow adored him so much he wrote a song of devotion to him when he was only 20 and when the great Okie was on his dying bed, then hitch-hiked to NY to play it for him in hospital.

    Guthrie said that his visitor was the worst harmonica player in the world, but that he knew how to sing folk.

    This is one of his first songs in NY, and you can hear Guthrie everywhere.

    Rambling out of the wild west
    Leaving the towns I love best
    Thought I’d seen some ups and down
    ‘Till I come into New York town
    People going down to the ground
    Building going up to the sky

    Wintertime in New York town
    Wind blowin’ snow around
    Walk around with nowhere to go
    Somebody could freeze right to the bone
    I froze right to the bone
    New York Times said it was the coldest winter in seventeen years
    I didn’t feel so cold then

    I swung on to my old guitar
    Grabbed hold of a subway car
    And after a rocking, reeling, rolling ride
    I landed up on the downtown side
    Greenwich Village

    I walked down there and ended up
    In one of them coffee-houses on the block
    Got on the stage to sing and play
    Man there said, come back some other day
    You sound like a hillbilly
    We want folksingers here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFXA-VTatAc

  19. Thanks for that

    And of course Woody Guthrie was an enemy of Fred Trump, The father of the imposter

  20. Speaking of protest music, from one of the greatest albums of the eighties, Neither Washington Nor Moscow, a song about the miner’s strike:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SibgDQWU85g

    They did a live version of this on the Tube, a live music programme in the eighties shown on Channel Four from 5-7 in the evening, where the introduced a striking miner on stage and C4 pulled the plug:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al9CF0qEGq8

  21. Not in Texas.

    Paul: Five day week? Sick pay? Paid holidays?…

    Troll: They already have all that and much more protected by Law.

  22. Bread and Roses is a good Labor Day song. Which Side are you on is another classic.

  23. American workers generally have fewer rights as compared with workers in other western nations.

  24. In 49 of the 50 states, the boss can pretty much fire you at will, without giving any reason.

    They just say ” we don’t need you any more ” or ” we’ve eliminated your position ” ( what they normally say )

    If you’ve worked for a few years, you’ve seen this happen to people.

    There’s a good side to this ( easy to get rid of deadwood ) but there’s a pretty big downside as well. If some manager doesn’t like you, you’re out, and there’s little that you can do about it.

    https://work.chron.com/fire-state-mean-20994.html

  25. American workers generally have fewer rights as compared with workers in other western nations

    I was shocked at American employment rights and conditions Phantom. I beleieve that two weeks annual holiday is the norm?

  26. There is no national requirement that they give you any paid holiday!

    But most companies will give at least two weeks time.

    Many will give two weeks holidays for the first five years, three weeks from 5 to 10 years, four weeks after that.

    Americans can be so tied to the job that, like Japanese, they don’t take their allotted vacation time. It’s a phenomenon.

  27. There is no national requirement that they give you any paid holiday!

    Jesus Christ. That’s feudal!

  28. There’s a good side to this ( easy to get rid of deadwood ) but there’s a pretty big downside as well. If some manager doesn’t like you, you’re out, and there’s little that you can do about it.

    that’s why it’s called the grind…. or the churn. It happens.

  29. hey Daphne happy Labor Day

  30. That’s why it’s called the grind…. or the churn. It happens

    If a manager dislikes you? Not here it doesn’t. We have a labour law concept called unfair dismissal to protect against such bastards.

    Pat, you actually seem proud or at least ambivilent of this labour serfdom.

  31. Cities in Texas have been passing sick leave laws requiring a bare minimum of paid sick leave days for employees (5-7 days) to create some protections for workers, meanwhile the Texas Lege keeps trying to pass legislation to strike those sensible ordinances down. Many lawsuits are currently happening.

    There is no parental leave law in Texas for new mothers. If employers don’t offer it, employees must hoard any vacation/sick time they might have banked (virtually non-existent for low paid service/factory workers or those employed by small business owners) to cover a week or two off after giving birth. Then they’re back on their feet and the newborn is in daycare.

    Many low paid women have to forego several paychecks after giving birth.

    You can be fired for zero reason in Texas. Too old, you’re gone. New boss, you’re gone. It’s extremely easy to be fired in my state and very hard, plus expensive to litigate a wrongful termination case.

  32. It’s very common for employers to target workers over 50 For dismissal, despite whatever laws exist Against age discrimination.

    Again, they just tell you that they restructured and your position doesn’t exist anymore

  33. Jesus Daphne, that’s barbaric. Spain has one of the lowest paid maternity leave lengths in the EU and the stautory length for paid maternity leave is 16 weeks.

    You can be fired for zero reason in Texas. Too old, you’re gone. New boss, you’re gone. It’s extremely easy to be fired in my state and very hard, plus expensive to litigate a wrongful termination case […]

    It’s very common for employers to target workers over 50

    Holy shit. That’s a fucking disgrace. I can’t believe that people would reject protections against such summary dismissal.

  34. Texas is legislatively controlled by the right wing of GOP – the self-styled family friendly, pro-life wing of red meat conservatives.

    They seem to have missed a few salient points about family friendly employment policies.

    It’s not family friendly to demand a woman who’s just given birth to return to work a week later or risk losing her job and a much needed paycheck,

    It’s not family friendly to tell a parent they’ll lose a day of pay to take their sick child to the doctor.

    It’s fucking gruesome to fire someone who’s taking care of terminally child and not offer them some term of paid time off to a deal with such a tragedy while providing them with job protection.

    The GOP doesn’t give one ripe shit about low income workers or families. They’ve made that point very loud clear in my state.

    Babies in the womb get a ton of protective legislation in Texas. Families providing for those children, not so much.

  35. The bosses will often like to have a younger worker, One who has a lower salary, one who is more computer savvy, etc

  36. Paul, salaried women who work for major corporations in the US usually receive 4-6 weeks of maternity leave. Many of these women hoard their vacation and sick leave time to extend their paid maternity leave by a couple of weeks.

    Most of the professional women I know in my neighborhood have only taken six to eight weeks maternity leave. Several decided to drop out of the work force entirely after kid two or three was born until their youngest hit kindergarten, then switched to a temporary career teaching in our local public schools until their eldest hit middle or high high school.

    They could do this because their husbands had comfortable six figure incomes. Childcare costs are insanely high and the cost/care benefit weight wasn’t worth staying in private employment.

    I’ll just note that Texas teachers don’t have a union.

  37. O/T

    Hey, PaTroll, did you see this sad news?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49555763

    I met him back in the 70s, and still have his autograph 🙁

  38. would have been an interesting conversation if the time allotted it. I am a 4th Dr geek two of my prize possessions are my scarf and hat…

  39. I am a 4th Dr geek two of my prize possessions are my scarf and hat…

    Tom Baker is my Doctor too. My stepdaughter got me the shorter version of the scarf for Christmas, and also ordered me the longer one, but something went wrong with the order and she had to cancel it. It’s her 21st later this yer, and I’m in contact with a guy who will bring his full size Dalek to her birthday party 🙂

    Did you know that the scarf was a mistake? One of the costume designers was given a big bag of wool and the instruction to knit a scarf. She misunderstood and used the entire bag. When Baker saw the finished product he loved it and asked for it to be part of his costume.

    I make no apologies to anyone else for this short diversion into Whosville. I’m a lifelong fan 🙂

  40. In the UK a worker gains full employment rights after 2 years in employment (1 in Northern Ireland). Before that they can be fired at will. The theory being that it may take a bit of time to evaluate a new employee and that it helps employers take the risk (knowing that if it doesn’t work out then they can just let the person go). After the year (two years) they gain full employment rights and are not subject to summary dismissal.

  41. Patrick

    screw the Unions…..

    Only when you’ve finished f**king the French.

  42. Seimi,

    Tom Baker is my Doctor too.

    Tom, closely followed by Jon Pertwee on my favourite doctors.
    I absolutely loved doctor who when I was a kid. It fascinated and terrified me in equal measure.

  43. Seimi no that’s when I got hooked on British tv. Bakers who got me hooked I used to also have an autograph of Louise Jameson from one of the first comic cons she signed a picture of Leela for me.

  44. Dr Who ran on PBS over here the only taxpayer station…. they give us sesame street and world culture…. masterpiece theater, evening at the Pops, Downton Abbey… but they also loved regular british shows.

    Every week we had Monty Python and Dr Who…. also hitchhiker, black ader, and my second favorite british show right behind Who…. Blake 7,

  45. Dave the Unions F themselves…. the French we want to keep screwing over…. because they’re French.

  46. If you screw the unions, or ban them, what will keep the bosses/owners in line?

  47. Lawsuits

  48. Hey Phantom …… just finished reading this…. worth the time

    https://prospect.org/article/tea-party-trump-decade

  49. Working conditions in the US are very comfortable and if someone crosses the line in health, safety, or harassment of any kind the tools are in place to deal with any abuse by an employer.

  50. You want businesses to be subjected to more lawsuits?

    Not me. I want a big reduction in lawsuits.

    Lawsuits are a much bigger problem in the US than regulation.

    Besides, lawsuits are an slow process for the plaintiff in such cases, with erratic results.

  51. So companies should be allowed to fire American workers at will … as long as they don’t replace them with a cheaper foreign product?

  52. Thanks for that.

    I want a strong center to right of center party, but I fear that Trump is going to destroy any prospects of that for a generation. The personal conduct, the open corruption, has made the brand entirely toxic for very many.

    And it’s not as though there are potential strong leaders waiting in the wings. There’s nobody.

    It’s all Team Trump vs Team AOC now. That’s where all the energy is.

  53. By the way…

    If you subject US companies that outsource to high tariffs, but don’t subject foreign companies that produce in say China to those tariffs, the US companies will move their headquarters and incorporation overseas.

    It’s ” redomesticating ” to another country, and it can and does happen.

  54. Phantom there are no work conditions in the US that need Union Protection period they are now nothing but a leech on the throat of the worker you have this vision that companies want to screw their workers…. they don’t. The better you treat your employees the better quality work you get out of them and that is the over all formula of every successful company in this country no matter the industry.

  55. It’s all Team Trump vs Team AOC now. That’s where all the energy is.

    and that’s sad and destructive

  56. I would like to see a practical, hard-headed, centrist party emerge, but I’ve been saying that for a long time.

    The country is not in a good place politically.

  57. Phantom, on September 3rd, 2019 at 1:20 PM Said: Edit Comment
    By the way…

    If you subject US companies that outsource to high tariffs, but don’t subject foreign companies that produce in say China to those tariffs, the US companies will move their headquarters and incorporation overseas.

    It’s ” redomesticating ” to another country, and it can and does happen.

    Those that make that choice should just do so. If google wasn’t afraid of losing it’s wealth and independence it would be a chinese company.

  58. the extremists prevail on both sides

  59. Google would never go to China, probably no one would want to. You could never trust the Chinese government.

    But Google or Apple theoretically could move to Switzerland, Ireland, the UK or Canada, countries that would respect their intellectual property and let them go about their business.

  60. China can be a good market, a good manufacturing location, but if you moved your HQ there, the Chinese government would be your partner, whether you wanted it or now.

  61. which is china’s biggest obstacle to evolving

  62. The tools are in place to deal with any abuse by an employer

    Pat, could you specidfically outline those tools?