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THE REAL COUP IS TONIGHT

By Pete Moore On September 3rd, 2019

This evening the Commons (probably) will vote to take control of parliamentary business. Tomorrow it will (probably) vote to oblige the Prime Minister to ask for yet another extension, the length of that extension and attached conditions being whatever the EU decides.

Allow me to explain the simple business of Parliament. The government (executive) proposes and governs in accordance with its prerogative powers. Parliament advises, consents and amends. That is the constitutional relationship. Parliament has no right to usurp the prerogative powers of the executive, but the corrupt Speaker has long been at the forefront of crushing our vote.

There is no humiliation which this politically and morally bankrupt Parliament will not heap on our country. What they will impose on the Prime Minister is literally an order of total, abject surrender. Having demanded that Parliament have its say on Brexit (as if the last three years never happened), they are about to give up all say to the EU. It has no right to quash or take away prerogative powers from the government and hand them to the EU, but that is what they will do. That is the real coup.

The Prime Minister, to his credit, has clearly said that there are no circumstances in which he will ask for a surrender. He simply will not do it. So he’s expected to call for a General Election, but that will require a two-thirds majority in the Commons. Labour has spent the last three years calling for a General Election. Remainers have been squealing that the Prime Minister has no electoral mandate. But suddenly they’re all less keen on a General Election, because they are spineless and corrupt.

This is our country. It belongs to the sovereign people, not a parliament of liars and criminals who have been crystal clear, in their actions, that they will simply not allow our country to be sovereign, independent and self-governing.

But having set themselves against the people they will lose. There is a seething rage across the country. That General Election will come and they will be wiped out.

 

39 Responses to “THE REAL COUP IS TONIGHT”

  1. The Prime Minister possesses no majority (either notionally or on the issue of Brexit). Thus the normal constitutional proceedings are no longer operational.

  2. There is no majority imperitive in Parliament, neither in the government nor in the Commons.

    Bercow grants MPs an emergency debate on whether they can take control of Parliament’s agenda tomorrow:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-49557734

    Democracy in action.

  3. https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/sovereignty/

    “Parliamentary sovereignty is a principle of the UK constitution. It makes Parliament the supreme legal authority in the UK, which can create or end any law. Generally, the courts cannot overrule its legislation and no Parliament can pass laws that future Parliaments cannot change. Parliamentary sovereignty is the most important part of the UK constitution. “

  4. An election is an interesting/daunting prospect for everyone.

    Can the govt – either directly or indirectly – deselect candidates it doesn’t want to become MPs, anyone know?

    If it can and if it does, it’ll be interesting to see whether the deselected decide to stand anyway, either as independents or by going over to some other party. That would lead to a three-way split in the conservative vote – Boris Tories, deselected independents and the BP.

    The other side will also be split, between Labour, Lib Dems, anti-Boris Tories, and in Scotland the SNP.

    It all looks like good news for Farage and for the Lib Dems, but for no-one else.

  5. FO –

    Can you quote the bit where it says that Parliament can usurp prerogative powers?

  6. Noel –

    Can the govt – either directly or indirectly – deselect candidates it doesn’t want to become MPs, anyone know?

    You mean parties, and they can. Control over candidate selection and deselection is centralised.

  7. “Can the govt – either directly or indirectly – deselect candidates it doesn’t want to become MPs, anyone know?”

    As Pete says the parties can (not necessarily the government). However there is a question as to whether or not the CCHQ (the Tories’ central office) can deselect sitting MPs who have been re-approved by their constituency parties. So, for example, Philip Hammond has been renominated by his constituency party as the Conservative candidate. It is unclear (and destined for the courts) as to whether or not CCHQ can override that.

  8. Control over candidate selection and deselection is centralised

    Is selection and deselection not down to local party electoral conventions? That’s the case with SF.

  9. It is both. Generally the local party will select from a list of approved candidates (when there is a vacancy). It becomes more complicated when there isn’t a vacancy ie (a sitting MP).

  10. Seamus –

    Hammond can be deselected by CCHQ.

    https://order-order.com/2019/09/03/cchq-unchecked-power-deselect-hammond/

    It goes without saying that he should be the first one deselected.

  11. They are becoming more and more absurd by the minute. I want a GE ! I want to be able to get rid of this lot. Trouble is, if the Tories win a majority and the BP is not King Maker, then I see a betrayal by the new PM.

  12. Fair enough. I hadn’t seen that judgement. Though it would require the Conservatives to dissolve their entire constituency party in Hammond’s constituency in the run up to a messy general election.

  13. Most likely scenario following a general election is that Boris, no longer in thrall to the DUP, will strip out the GB elements of the backstop and pass the Withdrawal Agreement.

  14. I think that’s a fair analysis Seamus.

    Funny how history repeats itself:

    https://twitter.com/PastorJimberoo1/status/1168934465558724609/photo/1

  15. Indeed. Some of the comments in and around then could certainly apply to now.

  16. I have rarely felt more hopeless in any practical affair: an impasse with unspeakable consequences upon a matter which to English eyes seems inconceivable small and to Irish eyes immeasurably big

    Prime Minister H. H. Asquith – July 1914

  17. If you ever needed a reason to vote against Brexit this shows just how utterly fucking vile and despicable some arch Brexiteers are:

    https://twitter.com/agirlcalledlina/status/1168940059497832448

  18. Pete Moore is entitled to be angry and annoyed at the vote tonight in Parliament from a political perspective. Claiming however that Parliament is acting unconstitutionally is utter nonsense. Pete spent years banging on about Parliamentary Sovereignty being sacrosanct in his campaign against our membership of the EU. Now all of a sudden he demands the Executive should have supremacy and Parliamentary Sovereignty be neutered. Laughable.

  19. // Some of the comments in and around then could certainly apply to now.//

    How about changing some of the names here to Pierre, Hans, Guiseppi, etc. 🙂

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/5iiyv0/no_home_rule_united_we_stand_divided_we_fall_1914/

  20. Colm –

    Parliamentary sovereignty doesn’t mean what you think it means. Despite what many assume, it doesn’t certainly doesn’t mean that Parliament can do what it likes.

    “Parliamentary sovereignty” simply means that statute law, when lawfully passed, is supreme and unassailable. It means nothing more.

  21. The vote has been won by the patriots. Parliamentary Sovereignty strikes again 😉

  22. Wow.

    Interesting times over there.

  23. What a shambles!

  24. A glorious shambles 😉

  25. 52% of MPs voted for the motion

    As we all know 52% is an overwhelming majority.

  26. It’s not overwhelming, but one is enough – to be ignored, because it’s unconstitutional. If this illegitimate parliament votes through the Enslavement Motion tomorrow the Prime Minister should simply ignore it.

    Remainers gave made it crystal clear that constitutional traditional is nothing, that power is everything. He should ignore the House and wait it out.

  27. Over 20 Tory MPs voted against their government.

    The faithless Boris and Rees Mogg discovering a bit earlier than expected that other colleagues can play the same game.

  28. Pete Moore knows this is perfectly constitutional. He is not as ignorant as he is pretending to be on this thread.

  29. Noel –

    They voted to strip the government of the power to govern. Tomorrow they will vote to hand that power to the EU. They have acted in the interests of the EU, directly against the vote of the British people and their manifesto.

    This is not an argument about policy. It is about the legitimacy of parliament, democracy and our votes. Leavers have grimly suffered three years of endless abuse and insults because the prospect of leaving the EU was real. If Parliament removes that prospect then the sufferance will disappear.

    When you tell people that their vote is literally worthless and void then they will punch back.

  30. The Conservative Manifesto stated that the heir needs to be the “best possible deal for Britain as we leave the European Union delivered by a smooth, orderly Brexit”. MPs tonight voted in favour of that sentiment. And while they also committed themselves to the idea that “no deal is better than a bad deal” the majority of those MPs who rebelled tonight had voted for the Withdrawal Agreement. So clearly they don’t see it as a bad deal. Thus avoiding a no deal crash out is entirely within their manifesto commitments. It is the other Tories who voted against the motion who are actually going against their manifesto commitments.

  31. Johnson has removed the whip from two former chancellors, one of whom is the fifth longest serving government minister in modern history (and the second longest since the Second World War), a former lord chancellor, a former attorney general, and the grandson of Winston Churchill. Johnson, the man who defied the whip over Brexit (twice in the last year), and who resigned from government rather than oversea negotiations for a deal, tries to lecture others on loyalty to their party.

  32. The link re “total, abject surrender” is misleading – the motion doesn’t hand powers to the EU it hands them to Parliament, as the subsequent clause 3 (missing from the photo) makes clear.

    Anyway it’s far from obvious if it is constitutional or not, and it’s not even obvious how anyone would know or find out. Earlier in the day when pressed on the ‘rule of law’ stuff though Johnson gave an answer along the lines of ‘the law and the constitution’, which seemed to hint that it could be challenged that way. It would certainly be amusing if having made such a song and dance about Gove not committing to the ‘rule of law’, the remainers themselves were shot down in the courts. It would also be somewhat funny if having taken control of the agenda, they failed to pass the bill, or the EU refused to give any extension. Even if the EU do offer an extension, they will have to pull reasons out of their ass to justify it, so we can look forward to that.

    Ultimately it all seems moot and self-healing because if the people don’t like what Parliament just did then they will change Parliament at the earliest opportunity (which sounds like it could be very soon), and the new one can tear it up.

  33. People on this Brexit thing seem to define coup as when sit happens that they don’t like.

    Personally I think the British are acting in the best interest of the special relationship by not letting us Yanks be the only ones with a crazed political situation. God Bless England.

  34. Don’t worry guys, w**kers like Boris and Rees-mogg will soon be able to trample all over workers rights and the little people. Safe in the knowledge that there is no longer an EU to stop them doing exactly what they want.

  35. Serious question

    Why do you think that Boris would trample on workers rights?

    Workers rights such as what?

  36. Phantom.

    To put it simply, Boris supports low or no taxes and regulations on banks and businesses and allowing them to pretty much do what they like they comes to their employees. On top of this he’s against welfare and disability benefit. He wants restrictions on unions that support workers rights and wants businesses to pay even less tax than the pitiful amounts they already do. He’s even against some of the measures the government try to introduce to restrict tax avoidance.
    He has also constantly supported stronger surveillance of the population and monitoring of communications, whilst at the same time supporting the opposite for businesses and Banks.

    Boris the man of the people alright, as long as those people are rich toffs and big business.

  37. Uh oh. The real reason Brexis are against a second vote:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-49592410?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk&link_location=live-reporting-storyNearly

  38. One of the interesting facets of the election is breaking down how people voted in the referendum compared to the parties they voted for.

    So you have Labour Remain voters, Conservative Leave voters, etc… but you also have Labour Leave voters, Conservative Remain voters, some very interesting and confused people who voted Remain and UKIP.

    YouGov/Best for Britain used a series of measures to try and map out the numbers (using multi-level regression modelling, constituency projections etc…). They found:

    For Labour

    Leave: 3,386,018
    Remain: 7,587,705
    Didn’t Vote: 1,904,207

    For Tories:

    Leave: 9,364,353
    Remain: 3,482,821
    Didn’t Vote: 785,612

    It found that 4.5 million people (roughly 2.8 Leave, 1.6 Remain) voted in the referendum but didn’t vote in the General Election, while 3.1 million voted in the General Election but didn’t vote in the referendum. Of the 3.1 million new voters (who didn’t vote in the referendum) 60% voted Labour. The Tories took a similar number of Remain voters that Labour did Leave. The Tories however took a far bigger number of Leave voters than Labour did Remain. Where Labour made up the difference is in the non-voters who broke heavily in Labour’s favour.

    Now 200,000 new voters will hardly put a dent in the election figures. 32.2 million people voted in 2017. But it is where Labour have some of their best chances – the picking up of new voters. Now it also shows Boris’ route to power – targeting the 2.8 million Leave voters who didn’t vote in 2017.

  39. Now 200,000 new voters will hardly put a dent in the election figures

    No one’s claiming it will Seamus. It’s the quantity of voters who registered in the short space of time which is the surprising figure and the potential extrapolations were that trend to continue.