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“THE GROWN UPS”

By Pete Moore On September 4th, 2019

Parliament will not allow the UK to leave the EU without a withdrawal treaty. (The truth is that this parliament will not allow the UK to leave at all, under any circumstances.)

Parliament three times rejected a deal which is 99 per cent Remain. May’s withdrawal treaty is so bad it would be better to simply remain.

This evening it will remove the government’s constitutional right to govern and the Prime Minister’s prerogative powers to negotiate treaties.

It will place itself under the suzerainty of the EU.

It refuses to allow a General Election, thereby perpetuating itself and the EU’s suzerain control of the UK’s fate.

Apparently these geniuses are the grown ups we need to listen to.

The worst constitutional outrage of all is for MPs to refuse a dissolution, keeping in place a government they have calculatedly undermined, for the sole purpose of undoing a referendum result they had promised to uphold.

21 Responses to ““THE GROWN UPS””

  1. //It refuses to allow a General Election, thereby perpetuating itself and the EU’s suzerain control of the UK’s fate.//

    Oh, come on. It’s much more complicated than that. Nobody knows what’s going to happen.

    As far as I understand things, it may be that BJ could face the choice of either asking the EU for a further extension or resigning. He may not even get to call an election.

    If that’s the case, Johnson will be either the biggest liar or the shortest PM in British parliamentary history.

  2. It only seems like yesterday when sensible people like Noel, Seimi, Colm, Seamus and myself were saying that the reason for Brexit being stalled was because of the absolute polarisation it had caused in British society and we were being told by some here that that wasn’t the case it was some nefarious EU duplicitous plot to frustrate the plucky, gallant, little UK shedding its Euro imposed fetters.

    Well, it seems like the sensible people were right all along.

  3. It only seems like yesterday when sensible people like Noel, Seimi, Colm, Seamus and myself were saying that the reason for Brexit being stalled was because of the absolute polarisation it had caused in British society ..

    And you were all wrong. Brexit has not happened simply because an overwhelmingly pro-EU parliament will not allow it. There is nothing else to it.

  4. And you were all wrong.

    No, we weren’t. We were right all along and you were wrong, which is often the case.

    Brexit has not happened simply because an overwhelming pro-EU parliament will not allow it.

    Then why did you and other headbangers here variously blame, amongst others, the Irish, the EU, Common Purpose, globalists, elitists, Cultural Marxists, Gina Millar, (((George Soros))), High Court (enemies of the people) judges etc? (no doubt I’ve missed a few out).

    It’s almost as if you were making it up as you went along.

  5. Paul –

    None of those have a vote in Parliament. That is where Brexit has been spiked.

  6. I blame the idiots who elected that parliament.

  7. None of those have a vote in Parliament.

    So you agree that it was the Brexit polarisation of British politics, which the sensible peole have always stated, which stalled / frustrated Brexit?

    Good. As I said, we were right all along.

  8. Incidentally, talk about blatant, barefaced political cynicism?

    Anyone would think that a general election was in the wind.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49577250?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR0JW7s_EUVECB7OD_xTDY8Y3x1h4xA27yi1LBCjX-sBHpBJ908LwAALDT8

  9. Parliament three times rejected a deal which is 99 per cent Remain. May’s withdrawal treaty is so bad it would be better to simply remain.

    So why did no-deal hero Boris Johnson and all of his chosen cabinet colleagues (bar two) vote for it?

  10. Mays withdrawal deal would have delivered Brexit. The head banging Brexit ultras in the ERG opposed it. Had they and the DUP voted for it, it would have passed and the U.K. would have formally left the EU last March. If Pete wants to lay blame at least lay it where it belongs.

  11. The worst constitutional outrage of all is for MPs to refuse a dissolution, keeping in place a government they have calculatedly undermined, for the sole purpose of undoing a referendum result they had promised to uphold.

    That’s not going to happen Pete, but of course you know that. The only question is whether the election will be in October or November. Johnson wants it in October but if Labour delay it until November he will have to go cap in hand to Brussells before 31 October to ask for another extension. Unless his Tory pals in the House of Lords manage to filibuster the bill passed in the Commons tonight so that it does not become law before next week’s gerry-mandered suspension of parliament. How sweet if they do, echoes of 1910 and all that, bring it on.

    In my view Labour should ensure that the election takes place in November. That will be either after a further extension (Johnson humiliated, Farage rampant) or after a no-deal Brexit courtesy of the Ouse O Lords. In which case it should be as late as possible in November so that the chaos caused by the Tory No Deal Brexit is plain for all to see. And of course the future of the Ouse O Lords will be on the agenda as well. As in abolition of this corrupt relic of feudalism.

  12. Mays withdrawal deal would have delivered Brexit. The head banging Brexit ultras in the ERG opposed it.

    Yes Colm, but the Tory rebels on the final vote were no more than 60 and the DUP only have 10. The reason that May’s deal failed was because Labour opposed it. Even on the third vote there were no more than 20 Labour MPs in favour. So if a no-deal Brexit is what we end up with it will be mainly down to Labour.

  13. Peter

    Yes of course all the MPs who opposed it are responsible but the Tory and DUP rebel’s are the ones who wanted Brexit and they could have had it, albeit not the perfect version of their dreams had they all voted for it.

  14. I do agree though that all MPs who voted to trigger article 50 should then have allowed and respected the withdrawal deal the govt secured with the EU. By voting for article 50 to be triggered they were effectively giving consent to the process of withdrawal and they should not have stalled the withdrawal procedure.

  15. Paul,

    “So you agree that it was the Brexit polarisation of British politics, which the sensible peole have always stated, which stalled / frustrated Brexit?”

    It seems rather unlikely that Brexit has caused anything, since it has not happened.

    I would say that the root cause of the stalling of brexit is Tory politics, which as far as I can see is the only reason that changing the “red lines” is politically impossible.

    Change those red lines and Brexit would be a doddle.

  16. Ha ha ha ha

    @bbclaurak

    It looks like the Kinnock amendment to put Theresa May’s deal back to the Commons for another vote just went through by mistake…. things are getting very very odd around here indeed

    The Commons has unwittingly voted to bring back May’s withdrawal treaty for yet another debate and vote. The government didn’t put up tellers to count the noes, so the ayes have it.

    So the Lords will have to debate it. If they vote against the amendment the Bill will have to go back to the Commons.

  17. https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/04/u-k-parliament-gives-full-fledged-finger-british-people/

  18. I have been banging on about direct democracy here for a while. And now you know why. We decide and they obey. Dedicate or get off the pot politics.

  19. Now BoJo’s own brother, a member of Boris’ cabinet, has resigned.

    Seems even he knows you can’t trust Boris Johnson.

    After all, just a few weeks ago Boris was saying that he “absolutely” rules out a new election, now it seems he’s the one in the HoC fighting most strongly to get one.

  20. Well, that’ll certainly make Christmas interesting Noel:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49594793

  21. Paul, of the five I’ve heard of in that family – Boris, the father, his sister, this younger brother and another brother, four of them are or were active Remainers.

    Somehow it’s hard to believe that Boris’ Leave convictions run very deep.