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F the French…….

By Patrick Van Roy On September 5th, 2019

PARIS/DUBAI (Reuters) – France has proposed offering Iran about $15 billion in credit lines until year-end if Tehran comes fully back into compliance with its 2015 nuclear deal, a move that hinges on Washington not blocking it, Western and Iranian sources said.

as we laugh at the frogs we made this announcement…….

U.S. announces new Iran sanctions, offers $15 million reward for information on illegal arms shipping network and this is Trumps quote….

“I very much appreciate President Macron’s involvement but we’re not dealing through President Macron. We’re dealing with people directly,” Trump said. “They said until we do certain other things, like drop sanctions, and that’s not happening, that won’t be happening.”

So France can do their surrender monkey dance taking it’s customary role as the servient supporter of loons in search of Zeolite Purity…. the Vichy just can’t help themselves….

No thanks Macron, but we do appreciate the laugh.

91 Responses to “F the French…….”

  1. Nuke them Patrick, you know you want to. I mean the Iranians, not the French.

  2. why not both….. ?

  3. an oldie but goody

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jTzgR-ClB4

  4. //So France can do their surrender monkey dance taking it’s customary role as the servient supporter of loons in search of Zeolite Purity…. the Vichy just can’t help themselves….

    No thanks Macron, but we do appreciate the laugh.//

    What do you mean “No thanks Macron”? The French are not making the offer to the US; the offer is being made to Iran.

    This has nothing to do with the US.

  5. The French have been proven correct in their pre war assessment of Iraq, and they are likely correct here

    Maybe we should Take them seriously

    Maybe they know more about that part of the world than the United States does

  6. What do you mean “No thanks Macron”? The French are not making the offer to the US; the offer is being made to Iran.

    This has nothing to do with the US.

    The US has to approve it……. pay attention.

  7. Maybe they know more about that part of the world than the United States does

    They should they’ve been selling them illegal weapons and tech for decades.

  8. Patrick

    They should they’ve been selling them illegal weapons and tech for decades.

    LOL!

  9. they have dave the French have always sold the Iranians weapons and tech that they shouldn’t have. or are you that nieve ?

  10. Who do you think built their nuclear reactors ?

  11. //The French have always sold the Iranians weapons and tech that they shouldn’t have. or are you that nieve//

    I don’t think that’s true at all.

  12. The French have been playing footsie with Iran for years.

  13. //The US has to approve it……. pay attention.//

    No, it doesn’t. France is not obliged to seek US consent. How could it be?

    France may decide to make this offer dependent on approval from the US for political reasons, and because French banks would be scared of risking US sanctions if they went ahead with the loan, but that’s a different thing.

    I think it’s pretty clear that Trump would like to see such cash being released, and in general have better relations with Iran. He’s just been help back by the neo-cons and Israel and its cronies in Washington. At the G7 summit, President Trump even spoke in favour of such a credit to help Iran. He also praised the country, said the US doesn’t want regime change in Teheran and looked forward to a deal.

    You see, the Iranians were present too and once Trump gets close to someone he keels over and gets all lovey dovey. The president is one of the world’s great peaceniks.
    It’s only when he gets back to the WH and his handlers start working on him, that he comes out with a few belligerent sounds.

    The French are now trying to arrange a meeting between Trump and President Rouhani of Iran later this month. I can see a time when Bolton and Popey will want to kee the Don under house arrest in the WH.

    Meanwhile, it was reported today that the US state department has admitted to offering to bribe the captain of that Irainian oil tanker. After the ship left Gibraltar, the US contacted him and offered him “millions” if he would take the ship to some port where they could seized it.

    What goons they are. The captain – an Indian – gave them the middle finger.

  14. well then you’d be wrong…..

  15. = He’s just BEING HELD back by the neo-cons

  16. Please provide evidence of how I’d be wrong Pat.

  17. Patrick

    they have dave the French have always sold the Iranians weapons and tech that they shouldn’t have. or are you that nieve ?

    I know the French have sold weapons to the Iranians Patrick. My lol was because I thought your comeback was quite witty.

  18. What kind of evidence do you want ? The French have always been duplicitous when it comes to Iran…. even when they were Iraqs ally during the Iraq-Iran war they still sold and dealt with both sides.

    The french are the ones that strong armed the rest of the euro nations into the nuke deal in the first place. a little history

    Before the deal, France sided with its long-time ally Israel, but there was little either country could do to stop Iran’s nuclear program without assistance from the Americans. That said, having opposed the Iraq war and in view of the current chaos across the Middle East region, France did not favor going to war with Iran. In 2003, France’s minister of foreign affairs, having made the gamble to negotiate with Iran, led the E3 (France, the United Kingdom, and Germany) to Tehran. The French objective, as stated in Le Monde, was to show that it was possible to address the issue of weapons of massive destruction, the pretext for intervention in Iraq, by means other than war. Thus, the only option under these conditions seemed to be to accept Iran’s nuclear ambitions and welcome its return to the international community. That was certainly the message that Rouhani’s honorable reception in the French capital communicated last week.

    Beyond that, French industry was strongly opposed to the sanctions against Iran, which had shrunk France’s share of the Iranian market from 7 percent in 2004 to just 1 percent in 2014. French oil company Total, operating under Iran’s buy-back contracts, pulled out in 2010 under tightening US sanctions. French auto manufacturer Peugeot, in an alliance with General Motors, could not accept being excluded from the US market. It subsequently suffered plant shutdowns. Additionally, French carmaker Renault, in a joint venture with Iran’s two main auto manufacturers, suffered profit and job losses. BNP Paribas is perhaps the most well-known case. Prior to agreeing to an $8.9 billion settlement with the U.S. justice system for sanctions violations, and describing the fine as “unreasonable,” both François Hollande and Laurent Fabius intervened with an unsuccessful attempt to defend French interests—since business, after all, is business!

    Undoubtedly, France was glad to see the lifting of sanctions come Implementation Day in January. As Gérard Araud said in a sitting at the Atlantic Council’s Iran Task Force before the historic July deal: “We made the sacrifice of the sanctions, we lost a lot of money because of the sanctions, not the Americans because they were not anymore on the Iranian market.”

  19. sorry Dave…. misinterpreted your laugh

  20. What kind of evidence do you want ?

    Evidence that demonstrates that the French have always sold the Iranians weapons and tech that they shouldn’t have.

  21. the French built the Iranian reactors we objected even though the shah was in power. The French have more money invested in Iran than any other EU economy. The french surrendered to them in a hostage situation and have violated weapons and tech embargos on a regular basis.

    The first negotiations under the premiership of Laurent Fabius with an eye toward normalizing relations between France and Iran began in 1984 when the IRGC took 60 hostages on an Air France Airbus in Tehran and threatened to kill them if Anis Naccache and his accomplishes were not freed from French prison. Anis Naccache was a Lebanese militant who, under the supposed direction of Ayatollah Khomeini, attempted to assassinate Shapour Bakhtiar, the Shah’s prime minister living in exile in France, but in the process killed a policeman and a civilian. With the Iran-Iraq war ended, Anis Naccache was eventually granted a presidential pardon by Mitterand and liberated in 1990.

  22. The French can do as they please…. they always have and they always will. A duplicitous despicable smelly people who can be depended on to be undependable.

    If the french say go right… turn left.

  23. //The French have always been duplicitous when it comes to Iran…. even when they were Iraqs ally during the Iraq-Iran war they still sold and dealt with both sides.//

    So did the US.
    The CIA provided intelligence to Iran while Iraq was planning to invade, and later the US provided weapons to Iran, both directly and through Israel.

    That the US at the same time was arming Saddam is well known.

    //the French built the Iranian reactors we objected even though the shah was in power.//

    The US was arming Iran at that time.

    //The french surrendered to them in a hostage situation//

    So did the US.

    //and have violated weapons and tech embargos on a regular basis.//

    So did the US.

  24. //The french surrendered to them in a hostage situation//

    So did the US.

    We did no such thing….. and the Iranians were smart enough to load our hostages on a plane sending them home at the very minute Reagan was taking the Oath.

  25. The French built the Iranian reactors we objected even though the shah was in power.

    Yes they did. Seventeen years after the US signed a nuclear cooperation agreement with Iran, seven years after the US sold Iran over 5,000 tons of enriched uranium and a year before MIT agreed to provide training for Iranian nuclear engineers.

    Don’t do as we do do as we say?

    Fave violated weapons and tech embargos on a regular basis

    With Iran? I don’t think they have.

  26. *(France) violated weapons and tech embargos on a regular basis.

  27. // Patrick Van Roy, on September 5th, 2019 at 2:21 PM Said:

    //The french surrendered to them in a hostage situation//

    So did the US.

    We did no such thing….//

    Yes, you did.

    The US sent Iran shipments of arms (which was breaking an embargo) to get its help in getting hostages released.

    The US is guilty of exactly the same things you are accusing the French of.

    How does that make sense?

  28. Patrick Van Roy,

    The French can do as they please…. they always have and they always will. A duplicitous despicable smelly people who can be depended on to be undependable.

    The French are no worse than the US and the UK for doing bad things Patrick

  29. The French are ” smelly ” now.

  30. Amurica exists because of the French

    And what will you say when the turnip surrenders to the Taliban as he is preparing to do right now

  31. Amurica exists because of the French

    And what will you say when the turnip surrenders to the Taliban as he is preparing to do right now

  32. Yes

    The Fake News Brigade await their instructions from Sean Hannity as to how to spin the Trump – Taliban agreement with the Friends of Bin Laden

  33. F the French……

  34. The Trump – Taliban agreement with the Friends of Bin Laden

    I suppose it’s a logical outworking of selling Bin Laden friends’ billions of $s of arms.

  35. how many more years and lives should we waste on cave dwelling hillbillies EP ? What is a reason for staying ?

  36. Erdogan wants nukes to use against Israel and the west…….

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/erdogan-says-turkey-should-have-nuclear-weapons-like-israel/

  37. This will be PVR’s punishment

    https://www.trutv.com/shows/impractical-jokers/videos/handcuffed-to-a-mime-punishment.html

  38. oh that’s funny……

    do you know how much I despise mimes…. that would be hell.

  39. Pat, you agree that the US is guilty of absolutely everything that you’re accusing France of?

  40. how to treat a mime

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtjiYaglvis

  41. Paul McMahon, on September 5th, 2019 at 4:08 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Pat, you agree that the US is guilty of absolutely everything that you’re accusing France of?

    no I do not agree……. we’ve never been vichy bootlickers of genocidal maniacs

  42. But that wasn’t what the accusations were. Do you agree that the US is guilty of absolutely everything that you originally accused France of?

  43. Pat that wasn’t your argument when Obama reduced the American presence as per the Bush agreement

  44. America has never been boot lickers of genocidal maniacs, since when?

  45. Emerald Pimpernel, on September 5th, 2019 at 4:31 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Pat that wasn’t your argument when Obama reduced the American presence as per the Bush agreement

    look Phantom has an echo…. stop blaming Bush for Obama’s disaster.

  46. //America has never been boot lickers of genocidal maniacs, //

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Saddam_rumsfeld.jpg

  47. you guys have to do much better than that come on…. the french were concurred in 3 days and then quickly became collaborators with the nazi’s as were the islamists…. you can never trust either group.

  48. You guys have to do much better than that come on

    Okay,

    Do you agree that the US is guilty of absolutely everything that you originally accused France of?

  49. I don’t understand the question……

  50. Obviously……

  51. “we’ve never been vichy bootlickers of genocidal maniacs”

    Not bootlickers of them. Just founded by them. Slavers and slave rapers etc…

  52. Well that was very bad, but the genocide was of the Indians.

  53. //the french were concurred in 3 days and then quickly became collaborators with the nazi’s as were the islamists//

    Patrick, as far as I know, more French soldiers than Americans were killed fighting the Nazis.

    And where did you get your “three days”? The French army also fought much longer resisting the German invasion than the British.

    Tell me, do you NEVER get tired being wrong all the time? 🙂

  54. Not bootlickers of them. Just founded by them. Slavers and slave rapers etc…

    My fore fathers escaped from the old world of european oppression to the promised land where you can be great or shitty a success at both a land where a fatherless black child can grow up and be elected President…. twice.

  55. I believe all politicians should be termed limited, the same applies to political commentators.

    Eleanor Clift was once someone to listen to, this is just sad…..

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/04/eleanor_clift_horrifying_that_trump_will_get_away_with_using_pentagon_funds_for_war_on_immigration.html

  56. The day of terror began at 4:30 AM on September 5, 1972, when eight Palestinian militants affiliated with Black September—a militant offshoot of the Palestinian group Fatah—scaled a fence surrounding the Olympic Village in Munich.

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Munich-Massacre

  57. Where you can be great or shitty a success at both a land where a fatherless black child can grow up and be elected President…. twice.

    Unless you’re a native of that promised land of course……

    What oppression did your forefathers escape from in Europe Pat?

  58. Well lets see they were Irish and Italian…….

  59. So what persecution did they escape from?

  60. “My fore fathers escaped from the old world of european oppression to the promised land where you can be great or shitty a success at both a land where a fatherless black child can grow up and be elected President…. twice.”

    A black man can be President (though ironically said black man is not descended from slaves). However the reaction of the right in America to a black president was to elect a white supremacist president.

    “Well that was very bad, but the genocide was of the Indians.”

    The Indians were also subject to a genocide. But the transatlantic slave trade is estimated to have killed 5 million people. Pretty genocidal to me.

  61. The lack of opportunity for honest men in the 1800s in both Ireland and Italy was appalling. One side settled in NY and the other in Philly and the majority have worked in Law Enforcement since day one. 60 yrs ago both branches united in my parents union. Tying together two families with over 150yrs of service to the Law.

  62. So a lack of opportunity is now oppression? So you would agree that economic migrants are fleeing oppression then?

  63. //where a fatherless black child can grow up and be elected President…. twice.//

    It seems everyone can get elected president except Hillary Clinton. 🙁

  64. //The lack of opportunity for honest men in the 1800s in both Ireland and Italy was appalling.//

    Patrick, you may not know, but in Northern Ireland that situation continued until the last quarter of the 20th Century.

  65. no I do understand that Noel and it breaks my heart too

  66. It seems everyone can get elected president except Hillary Clinton. 🙁

    lol never Hillary

  67. Seamus, on September 5th, 2019 at 6:17 PM Said: Edit Comment
    So a lack of opportunity is now oppression? So you would agree that economic migrants are fleeing oppression then?

    yes I do, but that doesn’t mean it’s our problem either…. we don’t want them, and it’s ok to say that.

  68. A lot of the people in America didn’t want your ancestors either.

  69. Seamus

    It is interesting that neither Obama nor Kamala Harris had any black ancestors born in America.

    Both had fathers born elsewhere ( Kenya in the case of Obama, Jamaica in the case of Harris ), both had mothers who weren’t black )

  70. Indeed. In my opinion it is part of the long standing economy problems that slavery is still causing.

  71. Seamus, on September 5th, 2019 at 6:24 PM Said: Edit Comment
    A lot of the people in America didn’t want your ancestors either.

    yeah but they did it Legally followed the rules, laws, regulations, and quarantines. Settled in and sunk roots gave to their lives to their new home and have been rewarded with great power and great failure, but always a fair and honest living.

  72. Seamus, on September 5th, 2019 at 6:26 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Indeed. In my opinion it is part of the long standing economy problems that slavery is still causing.

    that’s nonsense unless you’re admitting Liberal Policies are slavery…

  73. //but they did it Legally followed the rules, laws//

    That wasn’t very difficult, as there weren’t really any rules then. You didn’t need any papers or visas, just needed to show up on Ellis Island. If you weren’t sick, you were in.

    Modern immigrants would dream of having a situation liked the people of that time had.

  74. There are a lot of accomplished and educated black Americans with black family roots in this country.

    But it is interesting that Obama and Harris were not in that group.

  75. what I wish is everyone would just have a coke and a smile sing kumbaya and we can all focus our energy on this stuff

    The moon is all the rage these days. China wants to send people there. So too does the United States and NASA. In fact, just about every country with a space program has some sort of lunar ambition that they hope will play out over the next few years.

    Now, there’s a new entrant in this new space race, a nonprofit organization called the Open Lunar Foundation. Based in San Francisco, it’s a group made up of tech executives and engineers—many of them with former ties to NASA—who have serious ambitions to create a lunar settlement.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-05/the-silicon-valley-heavyweights-who-want-to-settle-the-moon

  76. BTW, Seamus, did you see Paul’s link on the “THE REAL COUP IS TONIGHT” thread?

    I’d like to hear what, if anything, you think it could mean for Labour in a new GE. If you have time of course.

  77. The lack of opportunity for honest men in the 1800s in both Ireland and Italy was appalling

    So they were economic immigrants as opposed to ‘escaping European oppression’ then?

  78. Phantom, on September 5th, 2019 at 6:38 PM Said: Edit Comment
    There are a lot of accomplished and educated black Americans with black family roots in this country.

    But it is interesting that Obama and Harris were not in that group.

    What I truly don’t understand is why it matters. I know it does to a lot of people, race, sex, preference, I just can’t see that it’s a weighable factor.

  79. //But it is interesting that Obama and Harris were not in that group.//

    I also heard that Condoleezza Rice was about half non-black (is that a term?) in her background too. NOt sure if that’s correct.

    But she was decended from slaves and grew up in Birmingham Alabama when there was still segregation there.

  80. What I truly don’t understand is why it matters

    A person’s background is a notable factor, people shouldn’t be timid to talk about it.

    When JFK was elected, the fact that an Irish American had achieved that office caused great elation among most Irish Americans and I’d think Catholics generally, etc.

  81. The first black candidate for president, also I think the first woman candidate, was Shirley Chisholm, a congresswoman from Brooklyn.

    Her parents were from the Caribbean.

    They just named a new small NY state park after her.

  82. “yeah but they did it Legally followed the rules, laws, regulations, and quarantines. Settled in and sunk roots gave to their lives to their new home and have been rewarded with great power and great failure, but always a fair and honest living.”

    Because the rules were “do you have leprosy or cholera?” and followed by a name change if your name couldn’t be pronounced by idiot Americans. That was the rules they had to follow.

    Honest question – if the same laws applied then that apply now would your ancestors have gone to America anyway?

    “that’s nonsense unless you’re admitting Liberal Policies are slavery…”

    Nope but having an entire society based on the idea that a group of people aren’t even actually people but are property doesn’t simply have all its problems fixed by declaring those people as citizens.

    “I’d like to hear what, if anything, you think it could mean for Labour in a new GE. If you have time of course.”

    Just saw it. I’ve replied to it in that thread.

  83. If this, if that.

  84. Wrong Seamus when pats family came over there was also the no chinese/asian/african/jew need apply

  85. Patrick Van Roy, on September 5th, 2019 at 3:59 PM Said:

    Erdogan wants nukes to use against Israel and the west…….

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/erdogan-says-turkey-should-have-nuclear-weapons-like-israel/

    It doesn’t say that anywhere in that article.

  86. sure it does you just have to know how to read it

  87. sure it does you just have to know how to read it

    Through a rose-tinted brain?

  88. Patrick Van Roy, on September 5th, 2019 at 3:59 PM Said:

    Erdogan wants nukes to use against Israel and the west…….

    Israel has nukes to use against Turkey and the west……..

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepalestinians.bookextracts

    Martin van Creveld, professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem…..We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.”

  89. Why do you think that Israel has any hostile designs against Turkey?

    Erdogan is looking for a fight with Israel, and not for the first time either.

  90. Erdogan is the enemy inside the gate, the Turks have once again embraced their darkside

  91. I do have one thing to say…… it’s time

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHspM7P9l7Q