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And they have the nerve to judge us……

By Patrick Van Roy On September 9th, 2019

My poor poor British Cousins….. as I watched this week, hell the last 3 years what I have felt for the British People is a severe case of Pity with a good streak of Anger combined in the mix.

3 years ago the people voted to leave the EU….. right thing wrong thing is irrelevant. What is relevant is the people voted 52-48 to leave. For the past 3 years since that vote the “Elected” officials in GB have pissed down the peoples backs and told them it was raining as they did everything in their power and some things they even invented out of whole cloth to stop Brexit and ignore the will of the people.

Whether Brexit is a good thing or a bad thing is unimportant, what is important is the status of my brothers and sisters across the Pond. Are you peasants, serfs, the unwashed commoner, or are you an Equal Citizen in a Nation of Laws ?

My country and Great Britain are for the lack of a better description Democratic Republics. We pick the thieves that Govern…. their power is supposed to come from the people. Well the British Government has put that straight haven’t they ?

Your Vote means nothing to them, they rule you….. and the part that makes me really angry is you let them.

The citizens of Great Britain need to get their collective asses together….. You have been told by your Government that you work for them, you will do as you are told they know better.

Now is that who you are ? Brexit No Brexit that’s unimportant, what’s important is in a rare moment of Democracy you voted, you expressed your will….. and they have pissed on it and intend to do what they want not what you want you ignorant peasants.

Go on Strike, everyone call out sick, park your ass outside you MPs office and flood their offices, the press, the radio and the TV with a demand for New Elections….. but hey what you have to remember is you can’t send these same people back into office no matter what side of Brexit you’re on.

They have no care or interest in what you think, just give them your money, shut up, and do as you are told.

185 Responses to “And they have the nerve to judge us……”

  1. Patrick,

    Point of order – I don’t think QE2 or a majority of her subjects would agree that the United Kingdom is any sort of republic!

    Re your main point – fair enough. Except, there is no consensus as to what form of Brexit there should be…hence the gridlock. This question wasn’t put to the people so must be decided by parliament (except it hasn’t been). Throw into the mix the UK’s obligations under the Belfast Agreement and the belief among remainers (rightly or wrongly) that a 2nd referendum would give a different verdict.

  2. The UK is a constitutional monarchy

    Where the most productive citizens, including the business leaders, support remain.

    They won’t be striking for Brexit.

  3. Our Parliament is doing its job very well. They are refusing to act as lapdogs for the government and also scrutising carefully and independently how to implement the wishes of a vaguely defined referendum result. Well done to our MPs on all sides. (you wont hear that said very often )

  4. The UR. Oh wait, it isn’t called the United Republic. What is it called again? Oh yeah, the United Kingdom. I wonder if Her Majesty thinks she lives in a Republic?
    Brexit has been a frustrating and tiring issue. But it has hardly turned people into ignorant peasants.

  5. //For the past 3 years since that vote the “Elected” officials in GB have pissed down the peoples backs and told them it was raining as they did everything in their power and some things they even invented out of whole cloth to stop Brexit and ignore the will of the people.//

    If you and Monica want to go out for a drive on Sunday, and you insist on going by car while she insists on going by motorbike, well then neither of us is going to get out of the house that day, are you?

    That’s more or less the biggest part of the problem.

    Another factor is that they have to change the status of the Irish border but may not change the status of the Irish border. That kind of dilemma sort of slows you down too.

    BTW Is there any Irish person with a soul so devoid of humour that he doesn’t cackle himself to sleep every night at the thought of the Irish border – imposed by Britain 100 years ago against the will of the Irish people – now preventing those stout Britons from leaving another Union.
    It’s just too good to be true. But it is true.

  6. Instant Karma’s gonna get you
    Gonna knock you off your feet

  7. Whether Brexit is a good thing or a bad thing is unimportant

    Please do not take this the wrong way but, would you say the same about the American Revolution ?

    The EU is a proto-superstate. It designed to slowly but surely absorb the nation state and leave it a hollowed out hulk democratically. We saw it for what it is and wanted no part of it.

    We have been betrayed by the political elite. Beware the enemy from within.

  8. My country and Great Britain are for the lack of a better description Democratic Republics

    Yeah, you really do lack a better description as the UK as a Constitutional Monarchy with a democratic representative parliamentary political systen and a Monarchy is pretty much the opposite to a Republic, a democratic one or anything else.

    Your Vote means nothing to them, they rule you….. and the part that makes me really angry is you let them

    Not sure if you’re in a position to criticise here Pat, after all, didn’t the US electorate vote for a woman as President and got a child?

  9. Go on Strike, everyone call out sick

    PVR the union agitator!

  10. but unions should be banned….

  11. BTW Is there any Irish person with a soul so devoid of humour that he doesn’t cackle himself to sleep every night at the thought of the Irish border – imposed by Britain 100 years ago against the will of the Irish people – now preventing those stout Britons from leaving another Union.
    It’s just too good to be true. But it is true.

    Indeed Noel, poetic justice.

    On a related note Leo Varadkar today suggested to Boris Johnson that he faced a Herculean task, but Ireland stood ready to be Britain’s Athena. As a well read man no doubt you already know in the Greek myth Athena rescued Hercules after he went mad.

    🙂

  12. Now Speaker Bercow to stand down at the next election or on 31st October.

    Like everyone else, he’s understandably fed up with having to deal with Johnson, but it’ll be a pity to see him go.
    Without him, the place would have collapsed into dis-ooh-dih.

  13. If the people of the United States voted 52%-48% to removing the II Amendment would you be okay with that Patrick?

  14. In terms of the democratic republic thing – baby steps I guess. Patrick has finally admitted that the United States is a democratic republic. We can finally put that long running saga to bed.

    And in Patrick’s defence, in terms of Britain obviously not being a republic, there is a concept called a “crowned republic”. The desire was to differentiate between those constitutional monarchies where the monarch was almost purely ceremonial (such as the UK, the Netherlands, the Scandinavian monarchies) and those constitutional monarchies where the monarch played a major political role (primarily Germany).

  15. BTW Is there any Irish person with a soul so devoid of humour … It’s just too good to be true. But it is true.

    That’s the closest an Irishman will come to admitting how outrageous it all is. They know that an anti-democratic coup has been inflicted on us, but they hate us too much to admit it.

  16. I’ve an idea, maybe Britain should be partitioned Pete?

  17. If Brexit was democratic then Scotland and Northern Ireland (and arguably London) would be remaining in the European Union.

  18. I’m sure Patrick was thinking “Crowned Republic”.

  19. Seamus,

    “If Brexit was democratic then Scotland and Northern Ireland (and arguably London) would be remaining in the European Union.”

    Scotland, NI, and London are not members of the EU and so could not vote to remain in it.

    What you must mean is that these 3 voted for UK to remain in the EU.

    Yes and so what? Clearly they ought not get to dictate that for the entire UK. It should have no more bearing on anything than how your house, street or village voted.

  20. “Clearly they ought not get to dictate that for the entire UK.”

    Why should I give a damn what English people think about what happens to Ireland? Why should English people get to dictate what happens for any part of Ireland?

    Those areas wanted to remain in the European Union. And yes the question was whether or not the UK should stay. But polling would suggest that certainly in Northern Ireland that the majority would prefer to stay in the EU no matter what the rest f the UK did.

  21. Frank,

    Ultimately, yes. But, given the special constitutional status of NI (still in the UK only by dint of the unionist veto), and the increasingly precarious constitutional position of Scotland, their “remain” votes are an inconvenient truth for Brexiteers about their Disunited Kingdom.

  22. Yes and so what? Clearly they ought not get to dictate that for the entire UK.

  23. Whoops.

    Yes and so what? Clearly they ought not get to dictate that for the entire UK.

    You thaink it democratic that the part of the UK which was the engine of Brexit should, with a population ten fold of the other three parts combined, impose its will on the other constituent parts?

  24. Paul,

    “You thaink it democratic that the part of the UK which was the engine of Brexit should, with a population ten fold of the other three parts combined, impose its will on the other constituent parts?”

    Compared to the alternative? Certainly.

  25. Frank does make an accurate point. The U.K. is not a federation but a singular state. There is not 4 members of the EU in the U.K. it is either a member or it is not. On International matters the U.K. decides as a unilateral Sovereign state and the referendum was a singular majority vote decision for the U.K. as a whole.

  26. Compared to the alternative? Certainly

    I’m afraid I disagree Frank. While it may be constitutional I don’t think it’s democratic. It may be democratic in the same way that the contrived state of NI was democratic.

    Frank does make an accurate point. The U.K. is not a federation but a singular state. There is not 4 members of the EU in the U.K. it is either a member or it is not.

    Colm, see my point above. A constituent part of the UK was coerced into joining and then an artificial majority was created to mantain its union.

  27. For the purpose of the Brexit vote I think it was fair and democratic even if there are portions of the UK hitorically less thrilled to be part of the UK. I don’t think the vote was good for the UK.

  28. MourneReg,

    “But, given the special constitutional status of NI (still in the UK only by dint of the unionist veto), and the increasingly precarious constitutional position of Scotland […]”

    Well not long ago about half of Scotland voted to leave the UK…what did they think would happen to their EU membership then?

    NI obviously a different and unique case, but it’s not because they voted for the U.K. to remain, is it? Pretty much all who bang on about it now would, much like the SNP, be saying the same if they’d voted leave or if there hadn’t been a vote at all. They’ve been saying it forever.

  29. Seamus,

    “Why should I give a damn what English people think about what happens to Ireland? Why should English people get to dictate what happens for any part of Ireland?”

    Irish people had a vote in the EU referendum and I don’t hear you complaining about that.

    Certainly I as an Irish national should not have had a vote in what was basically a matter of British self determination, yet I did. I haven’t heard anyone apart from myself complain about that.

    (Before anyone asks why did i vote them, my initial instinct was to abstain but felt it was such a blatant act of gerrymandering for Remain that I did vote)

  30. Ok so you have made my point void…….

    You are not a Democrat Republic, you don’t vote for your representatives they are appointed so your votes mean nothing…. you are nothing more than a peasant a subject of the crown. As for Brexit fuck that Phantom summed it up perfectly…..

    Phantom, on September 9th, 2019 at 1:46 PM Said: Edit Comment
    The UK is a constitutional monarchy

    Where the most productive citizens, including the business leaders, support remain.

    They won’t be striking for Brexit.

    The Monarchy and those with MONEY support remain the vote of peasants mean nothing….

    The point of the post gentleman is NOT BREXIT. It is your Government. They have told you to sit down shut up and do as your betters tell you…..

    No matter what you think, or what is written…. they have told you “piss off… and too bad if you don’t like it we’re not going to even ALLOW you to vote us out”

    you’re peasants in their mind and you’re allowing that view to stand.

  31. “Why should I give a damn what English people think about what happens to Ireland? Why should English people get to dictate what happens for any part of Ireland?”

    cause half of Ireland the Island is British…… The only “Irish” state is the ROI and the land it sits on.

  32. You guys are supposed to be pro business and pro growth

    Who are the UK business leaders who support Brexit?

    I’ve asked this before and have not seen an answer.

  33. So you believe and support that Business Leaders views count more than the peoples vote.

  34. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_private_companies_in_the_United_Kingdom

    Do the leaders of any of these firms support Brexit?

    Or do any of the leaders of foreign companies that have major operations in the UK?

  35. I’m like Columbo, only asking questions

    This was supposed to be good for jobs and trade

    Business loves trade and profits. So who supports this thing

  36. The Monarchy and those with MONEY support remain the vote of peasants mean nothing….

    Yes, Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg, Ian Duncan Smith, James Dyson, Aaron Banks, Anthony Bamford, Tim Martin etc. All 100% penniless working class paupers.

    Cause half of Ireland the Island is British

    You’ve been corrected on this before, less than 1/5 of it is in the UK not ‘Britain’

    Your Vote means nothing to them, they rule you….. and the part that makes me really angry is you let them

    Not sure if you’re in a position to criticise here Pat, after all, didn’t the US electorate vote for a woman as President and got a child?

    So?

  37. I’d also like to know if any economists think that Brexit is a good idea.

  38. The Monarchy has not been political on this. If it had one can imagine the daily posts of treason that would pop up here.
    I don’t think our host Mr. Vance or the leading UK contributor Mr. Moore would be considered ignorant sheep, and it is unfair to target them so. I primarily disagree with them but they stile me as exceptionally smart individuals.

  39. Probably about the same number as Scientists who think AGW is a hoax or Doctors who think vaccinations cause autism. 😉

  40. In any event I doubt Europeans wished to be lectured about their internal affairs by someone who didn’t remember that the UK was not a Republic, who proclaimed half of Ireland was under British rule and who suggests they are docile followers of what the government tells them.

  41. This is a confusing post and thread. I am trying to untangle who said what about whom and when 😉

  42. Phantom –

    I’d also like to know if any economists think that Brexit is a good idea.

    I can help you with that. Yes, there are.

    But why is that pertinent? We voted to leave the EU. That is enough. What is it that people don’t understand about this?

  43. I don’t contest that the people voted to leave.

    But it’s not possible any longer to discuss whether it’s a good idea or not?

  44. The Parliament should have voted to approve the withdrawal agreement that the government negotiated with the EU in order to honour the wishes of the electorate. The ERG and DUP are just as guilty of thwarting the wishes of the electorate as the remainers.

  45. //and who suggests they are docile followers of what the government tells them.//

    And even that big is wrong. See

    // their power is supposed to come from the people. Well the British Government has put that straight haven’t they ?//

    //and who suggests they are docile followers of what the government tells them.//

    //It is your Government. They have told you to sit down shut up and do as your betters tell you//

    //you expressed your will….. and they have pissed on it and intend to do what they want not what you want you ignorant peasants.//

    Patrick, the British Government is PRO Brexit, it wants the UK to leave the EU as soon as possible, with or without a deal. That’s why it closed down parliament.

    Yes, it’s complicated for an American, I realise that.

    (Funny reading Trump’s comments on Johnson: “Don’t worry about Boris. He knows how to win.”
    Well then, after losing every vote since he took office, maybe it’s time he started winning.)

  46. Patrick is getting Parliament mixed up with Government. However Trump might get his wish. It is perfectly possible Boris could win the General Election, that cannot be ruled out.

  47. Phantom –

    I don’t contest that the people voted to leave.

    But it’s not possible any longer to discuss whether it’s a good idea or not?

    It is possible but it’s very tiresome. We aired all this in the EU referendum campaign. In fact the Remain establishment has done nothing BUT carry on with the campaign. All is does is moan about how bad Brexit will be. The one thing it hasn’t done is acknowledge that we chose to leave the EU.

    We’re tired of this. We get this all day, every day. So I’m really not in the mood to hear it now from a country which so loudly celebrates its own no-deal, crash out independence.

  48. Boris has one ace in the hole – you have an exceptionally bad Labour leader who will prevent many from pulling the lever for that party.

    You couldn’t imagine Corbyn leading a big country.

  49. Well it might happen. Some pro-EU Tory MPs would prefer that Corbyn becomes Prime Minister rather than we leave the EU.

    That is fanaticism which the press reports as moderate.

  50. It’s disingenuous to say Parliament is actively stopping Brexit. They are opposing leaving without a treaty. I bet if the WA was brought back in for another vote now and MPs had a free vote on it, it would pass and we could leave the EU with Parliamentary approval on Oct 31st.

  51. It’s disingenuous to say Parliament is actively stopping Brexit. They are opposing leaving without a treaty.

    That means we can only leave when the EU allows us to leave. If we cannot leave without a withdrawal treaty, what incentive does the EU have to agree one?

    Remainers have spent a lot of time telling us Brexiteers what we did ir did not bote for, but we didn’t vote for that.

    And tonight, Bercow has acquiesced Parliament’s EI faction in forcing their political opponents in handing over it personal and private correspondence, electronic or written.

    This is now Stalinism. These fanatics are completely vindictive and out of control.

  52. Pete

    The EU have agreed a withdrawal treaty. It’s ready to go. They have opened the door, it’s Britannia that is hesitating about tip toeing into the cold dark world outside Mother Europa’s house 😉

  53. To all my fellow traditionalists, a picture to give us pleasure and comfort in these weary days

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/16/john-bercow-to-stand-down-as-commons-speaker-in-wake-of-bullying-inquiry#img-1

  54. First off you can call it what you want….. the people that make the decisions in Government….

    Do they get their job by being voted for…..

    or

    Are they appointed by the Monarchy…..

    If it’s the former it’s a democratic republic.

    If it’s the later it’s a Monarchy.

    So if you’re too stupid to understand that no one can help you because you are peasants.

  55. Now calling it a democratic parliamentary government, is a unique way of putting it and yes I know the Queen has final say….. but the officials who hold office and make up Parliament are elected by the people…..

    A parliamentary democracy is a form of government where voters elect the parliament, which then forms the government. The party with the most votes picks the leader of the government. Prime ministers are beholden both to the people and the parliament.

    That is a Republic with a Monarch. YOU VOTE for these thieves Boris and the rest of “the rich” in government that you elected are fighting for what the people voted for, they are doing their job REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE.

    You have a real problem in GB the people YOU put in power feel that your votes mean nothing.

    That means you are living under Tyranny.

    You and your votes don’t control them, they control you.

  56. //If it’s the former it’s a democratic republic.
    If it’s the later it’s a Monarchy. //

    It’s easier if you just look at some examples of each.

    Sweden, Canada, Britain, Holland are MONARCHIES.

    Libya, North Korea, the US, Guatemala etc are REPUBLICS.

  57. no Noel it’s real easy if you look at this way…… if the people vote their government into office the people hold the power. If the people vote their government to do a certain thing and the government for 3 years does everything to block the peoples will….

    Then you need to do one of two things….. Vote them out…. or as in this case since they’ve said you can’t vote them out it’s time for a revolution.

  58. What kind of revolution? Using what means?

  59. The armchair foreign revolution. It’s like the armchair invasion of Iraq, but instead of sending your countrymen to war, you send people of other nations.

  60. Non-violent means……

    Look personally I don’t care if the people of GB want to be slaves of tyranny, I really don’t think they want to be. I think they believed the people that represent them would respect their choice and deal with it. Not sabotage it and then say sorry you can’t vote us out until we do what we want not what the people voted for.

    The Irish fucked up… they were in the right, but they turned to violence and terror becoming the islamists of the west.

    The British people have just been told to sit down shut up and do as your government tells you nevermind what you voted for….

    That’s TYRANNY

    And they should do exactly as they are told and sit down…. in Parliament, in the streets, at windsor castle, and at every MPs office.

  61. Another bizarre thread.

  62. then why are you on it……

  63. Actually the British people have been told no such thing, it is purely a fantasy. Why do you think you’ve gotten not one single UK resident to support your claim? I imagine Rush Limbaugh must be blaming the elites, but is he really telling you to say this today?

  64. I don’t say what anyone else says….. unlike you I speak for myself and myself alone.

    Try having an original view Mahons…. put yourself out there.

  65. PVR

    Currently there is a battle between Parliament and the Prime Minister on how the UK exits the EU. Parliament believes the exit should be with an agreement with the EU, the Prime Minister would leave without an agreement. To leave without an agreement would be a disaster for the UK. Both Parliament and the Prime Minister agree on leaving the EU but they differ on the terms of the exit. Both are following through on the referendum vote. At present the Prime Minister has lost five out of five votes in Parliament and is boxed in. Nobody really knows how it will turn out.

    The whole sorry episode illustrates the problems with referendums in a parliamentary system. Governance should be one or the other. In the US we do not have referendums on the federal level, and thankfully so. Hopefully the UK will not have them once they get past this mess.

  66. and yes they British people have been told that……. They can’t have Brexit and the can’t hold new elections….. not until Corbyn and the rest of the anti-brexers get the deal THEY WANT.

    That’s what they’ve been told.

    That’s Tyranny

  67. You parrot things constantly. Sometimes you just put up your leaders’ words without so much as an amen. Here you’ve taken a ridiculous claim to an extreme, if you want to claim it as your own I suppose it is a noble sacrifice to protect any fool who made it first.

  68. Corbyn is not in power. And by the way you said above Brexit or no Brexit isn’t important. That is a 180 degree turnabout. Can we expect you to come full circle before the day ends?

  69. Patrick

    Our Parliament, certainly over Brexit is doing exactly what a proper Parliament should be doing. Holding the executive to account and making sure a massive important policy – leaving the EU – is given real scrutiny and not just rubber stamped. Most MPs on all sides have been doing exactly conscientiously what they should be. It may look chaotic and dishevelled but a lot of puppet Parliaments around the world can still learn from the great display of independent spirit our Parliamentarians are showing you all.

  70. NYr

    They voted for the Brexit referendum, it took place on 23 June 2016… it is now Sept 9th 2019.

    They’ve had 3 years, 3 PMs, and 3 governments since then. The government has acted in bad faith. The definition of their actions is tyranny.

    The 3 governments have not tried to work out the details…. they’ve had 3 years and in those 3 years they have repeatedly tried to sabotage the exit, not implement it.

    And they’ve done so against the will of the people. This is tyranny and it is being played out before our eyes in the most important country in western history…. Britain has come full circle and is right back where it was before our nation took life.

  71. Mahons, on September 10th, 2019 at 12:28 AM Said: Edit Comment
    Corbyn is not in power. And by the way you said above Brexit or no Brexit isn’t important. That is a 180 degree turnabout. Can we expect you to come full circle before the day ends?

    Mahons Brexit is GBs life or death….. the post however is about Tyranny. Brexit is just the catalyst.

  72. Utter nonsense. No serious person in the UK or observer outside it is arguing tyranny.

  73. Life or death? Look you have, if not a habit, at least a predilection of saying something patently wrong and then continuing to double down on it. The Battle of Britain was life or death, this stuff is just government stalemate.

  74. Colm, on September 10th, 2019 at 12:31 AM Said: Edit Comment
    Patrick

    Our Parliament, certainly over Brexit is doing exactly what a proper Parliament should be doing. Holding the executive to account and making sure a massive important policy – leaving the EU – is given real scrutiny and not just rubber stamped. Most MPs on all sides have been doing exactly conscientiously what they should be. It may look chaotic and dishevelled but a lot of puppet Parliaments around the world can still learn from the great display of independent spirit our Parliamentarians are showing you all.

    Colm

    3 years, 3 governments, no progress…. that is what your Parliament’s job is? I thought it was to conduct the business of Great Britain on behalf of her People….

    That business was to prepare in good faith a clean break from the EU…. 3 different governments under 3 different PMs have done everything to prevent that clean break.

    The vote was 52-48 to Leave…. those elected officials said NO and are still saying NO.

  75. This isn’t Tyranny, it’s Theatre, and we Brits have always been good at that 😉

  76. What’s the rush

  77. Aah yes but Patrick, the 52% are largely simple minded. Parliament is trying to gently steer them back into the direction of the sensible intelligent 48% 😉

  78. When you say 3 Prime Ministers you seem to fail to notice Cameron called the referendum and resigned after it past while May and Johnson tried to achieve it.

  79. Colm I’ve watched your government for 40yrs…. there are things I love about it there are other things that I think are stupid.

    Your government would cause riots in the US…. your speech laws alone would cause them….

    but my friend you are living in Tranny.

  80. Anyway, while you are complaining about how long it is taking to get out why not Google how long it took to get in.

  81. Cameron quit because he lost, May did everything she could to not do it, and Boris had the balls and the “elected” officials beneath him is doing everything they can to stop him and Brexit.

  82. Cameron resigned as British leaders often do when a particular vote doesn’t go their way. He said the vote must be respected. May tried a number of ways to achieve it and could not gain a consensus. She then resigned the peaceful transfer of power then resulted on both occasions, each time to the elected leader. No one has done anything illegal to thwart Johnson’s efforts

  83. Phantom, on September 10th, 2019 at 12:43 AM Said: Edit Comment
    What’s the rush

    3 years 3 governments…. what’s the wait?

  84. As I’ve said before, the English were never as emotionally devoted to the EU project as the other countries were

    And the EU – A unique organization, With nothing remotely like it in any other part of the world is the kind of thing that you either have to be all in or all out

  85. The US Free Trade Agreement with Panama took nearly 9 years from negotiation to implementation. I hardly need point out that it doesn’t involve as many complete issues. Using patrick’so logic we must live under a tyranny.

  86. The Irish fucked up… they were in the right, but they turned to violence and terror becoming the islamists of the west.

    Not quite sure what that had to do with the discussion, but I’ll gladly avert my eyes while you try to fuck yourself, Troll.

    The rest of your ‘argument’ is just you parroting nonsense. The vote and the result have been and are being respected. Leaving without a deal would be disastrous for the UK. This has been shown again and again, so whilst the government might be playing hardball, and Johnson wants to be remembered as the PM who delivered Brexit – as May did – Parliament is quite rightly objecting to the no-deal option. They owe it to their constituents and to their country to leave with the best deal possible.

    The question was asked of you earlier, and you didn’t answer it. I’ll try asking it again:
    If the US held a referendum, the question simply being, ‘Should we ban guns?’ and the vote came in at 52% Yes and 48% No: first of all – would you respect that decision? Secondly – if your government then spent 3 years trying to push through a law which banned each and every type of gun, no matter what calibre, size or type, but the representatives of the 48% who had voted No kept delaying the decision, saying that they needed to have some kind of deal regarding certain types of gun – would you still be sitting here now, complaining that 52% voted Yes three years ago and this needs to be implemented now!?
    Somehow I doubt it.

  87. Mahons, on September 10th, 2019 at 1:17 AM Said: Edit Comment
    The US Free Trade Agreement with Panama took nearly 9 years from negotiation to implementation. I hardly need point out that it doesn’t involve as many complete issues. Using patrick’so logic we must live under a tyranny.

    did the American People vote to make or end an agreement on Panama…. No

    Kindly stay in the ball park….

    Seimi the statement about the Irish was in response to phantom trying to bate me into saying violent revolution….. it was a Passata Sotto

  88. give me a sec on the rest I’ll answer

  89. You spoke up revolution

    What kind of Revolution

    America wants to know

  90. The question was asked of you earlier, and you didn’t answer it. I’ll try asking it again:
    If the US held a referendum, the question simply being, ‘Should we ban guns?’ and the vote came in at 52% Yes and 48% No: first of all – would you respect that decision? Secondly – if your government then spent 3 years trying to push through a law which banned each and every type of gun, no matter what calibre, size or type, but the representatives of the 48% who had voted No kept delaying the decision, saying that they needed to have some kind of deal regarding certain types of gun – would you still be sitting here now, complaining that 52% voted Yes three years ago and this needs to be implemented now!?
    Somehow I doubt it.

    who me……? Do you think I would defy the will of the people….. over the right to bear arms….?

    lmao…. I’d be spending my time doing outreach to wayward youths… teaching them the proper handling of the .45 and the art of cartridge manufacturing…. so they could feed themselves of course…..

    But we’re not talking guns and this is not a what if…..

    Your elected officials just banned elections until they get the Brexit Deal they want. That is Tyranny.

  91. Phantom, on September 10th, 2019 at 1:54 AM Said: Edit Comment
    You spoke up revolution

    What kind of Revolution

    America wants to know

    I answered that when you asked it….. A Ghandi/King Revolution…… pay attention.

  92. Sorry I missed that

    New York Mets rookie first baseman Alonso Has hit two homeruns tonight, giving him 47 for the season. He is a beast

  93. Forget about the details of the ‘what if’ scenario. I was trying to phrase it in a way you might understand. I believe the day will come when enough Americans will finally get sick of the blood being shed day and daily in their country because of guns, and there will either be a referendum on either the complete removal of guns from society (unlikely) or the severe proscription of guns in society (much more likely). You have already declared your terrorist intentions should such a thing happen, but it will be interesting to see how your fellow gun-owners react to that democratic referendum. Anyway, this isn’t about Americans and their gun fetish.

    The result was close, but definitive. The UK will leave the EU.
    But to leave without a deal would be a disaster, so Parliament is stopping Government from doing that, because Parliament is doing what is best for the UK in these circumstances. It is the Government which is trying to do what is bad for the country. What is so difficult to understand about that?

    Nobody has ‘banned’ elections. Politicians have done their jobs, and when they finally do leave, the squawking, hysterical Leave voters should be grateful to the Remain voters who made it as fair a deal as possible for them by refusing to just leave without a deal.

  94. U.K. Parliament again rejects Boris Johnson’s call for an early election

    The latest obstacle to Johnson’s plans came in the form of yet another defeat in the House of Commons, where the once-swaggering prime minister has lost every key vote of his young premiership.

    Tuesday was the second time in as many weeks that Johnson had asked for Parliament to allow a fresh election, only to be rebuffed by a unified opposition.

    “Why are they conniving to delay Brexit?” Johnson taunted as a rowdy debate kicked off Monday night, with his fellow Tories cheering him on. “The only possible explanation is they fear we will win.”

    and he’s right Brexit even no deal would win…. they are blocking elections to inflict their will over the will of the people…. Tyranny

  95. It takes a special kind of fool to proclaim that which is obviously false as true.

  96. and he’s right Brexit even no deal would win…. they are blocking elections to inflict their will over the will of the people…. Tyranny

    Oh my god. Yes, he would very likely win. Which could mean a no-deal Brexit. Which would be bad for the UK. So they – and ‘they’ is not just Labour, but pretty much everyone else in Parliament – are voting against an election at this point. They want him to go back to the EU and ask for another extension, so that they can get a better deal for the UK. That is good politics. What Johnson wants to do is bad politics.

    Seriously, my 9 year-old understands this.

    Speaking of which – I’m up for work in the morning. G’night.

  97. Blocking a snap election Is a legitimate tactic of a parliament

  98. OMG, someone please tell me he’s parodying himself to play to the crowd.

    It’s hilarious when Pat obviously has no idea what he’s talking about and then invents political process as he goes along.

  99. I’m dissapointed Patrick hasn’t commented on the Camptown post. I would be very interested to hear his views on Trumps now abandoned secret plans to legitimise the organisation that carried out the 9/11 attacks over the legitimate Afghan Government.

  100. Mahons,

    “The Battle of Britain was life or death, this stuff is just government stalemate”

    Not if you believe the remainers, who say that vital medicines will be unavailable in the event of a no deal Brexit and that people will die as a result.

    Of course some may wonder how demented somebody has to be to simultaneously believe that the EU will say “rules is rules” as people keel over and cark it in the street, and also that this is a wholesome and benevolent organisation to belong to. And these are supposed to be the bright ones.

  101. Mahons.

    It takes a special kind of fool to proclaim that which is obviously false as true.

    Patrick not just special when it comes to this, he’s an expert.

  102. That medicine argument by some makes no sense at all

    The EU would allow sale of medicines To any country with the money to pay for them

    Even conceptually, Why would they do anything else?

    And if the EU wouldn’t sell the full range of medicines, the US would be happy to fill the gap

  103. Frank – I think with a 48-52 split we can assume not all the hysterics are on one side. I’m sure on the website An Untangled Web some American with a full set of hair is posting about the Tyranny of Brexitiers while Dwight O’Frank is pointing out humorous rejoinders.

  104. Its not about the issue of medicines not being allowed. Its a short term issue about the immediate ‘no deal’ change in the legal situation regarding official/bureaucratic permissions for transport of medicines (and foods and other goods) and whether the ports/transport hubs and other officials are ready to smoothly maintain the just in time delivery schedules that we are so used to within the EU.

  105. Noted

    But boy they’ve had some time to prepare, and they have the US/Canada highly efficient trade model to use as an example. The auto and steel industries of those countries are 100% integrated, etc.

  106. Noted

    But boy they’ve had some time to prepare, and they have the US/Canada highly efficient trade model to use as an example. The auto and steel industries of those countries are 100% integrated, etc.

  107. Wth the greatest of respect Frank insofar as I understand it, and I’m absolutely open to correction on this, your 12.46 above is pretty disengenuous.

    It’s my understanding that the medicine warning didn’t come from ‘remainers’ but from the British government’s Operation Yellowhammer document which stated that some 75% of meds arrive in the UK via the France / UK crossing which would be particularly prone to delay and disruption regarding WTO regulations in the event of a no deal Brexit.

    So no, people woudn’t be couping in the street as a result of the ‘wholesome and benevolent organisation’ declaring ‘rules is rules’.

  108. couping in the street

    Eh Paul ? Now if you suggested people might be coupling in the street in the event of a no-deal exit that might persuade me to become an ardent Brexiteer 🙂

  109. Nope……

  110. good day gentlemen….. I hate the morning especially when it comes late in the day.

  111. good article
    https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/460595-liberals-haunted-by-social-media-tactics-they-use-against-the-right

  112. So have they announced an election or are you still living under tyranny in GB

  113. Many journalists are in the profession not to inform the public, but to gain the power to destroy people who question them — and they don’t like those tactics being turned against them. “[U]sing journalistic techniques to target journalists and news organizations … is fundamentally different from the well-established role of the news media in scrutinizing people in positions of power,” the Times wrote in its article — which was of course labeled “news,” not “opinion.”

    from the above article

  114. Apologies, ‘couping’ is a northern rural colloqualism meaning to ‘topple over’ although I’m sure you’d have been estatic had I used the phrase ‘dogging’.

    Pat,

    Not sure if you’re in a position to criticise here Pat, after all, didn’t the US electorate voted for a woman as President and got a child?

    ?

  115. The newspaper’s publisher, Arthur Sulzberger, added that “the political operatives behind this campaign will argue that they are ‘reporting’ on news organizations in the same way that news organizations report on elected officials and other public figures,” but he roundly rejected that claim, insisting that his antagonists are trying to “manipulate the facts for political gain.”

    To their credit, not everyone in the elite media world is buying it. Erik Wemple of The Washington Post and Jack Shafer of Politico both wrote rebukes of the Times’s indignation. Neither is a conservative “political operative,” but both found Sulzberger’s statement hypocritical and incongruent with the Times’s own reporting on this story.

  116. Pat,

    Not sure if you’re in a position to criticise here Pat, after all, didn’t the US electorate voted for a woman as President and got a child?

    ?

    True but we had an Election…. and it was won by the Rules by the Carny Barker….

    They need to hold an election

  117. True but we had an Election…. and it was won by the Rules by the Carny Barker

    Indeed, it was all constitutional.

    Now, can you point to me the part of the largely uncodified British Constitution where it says that a consultative referenda can overule the primacy and sovereignty of the UK Parliament?

  118. UK parliamentary elections are not on a firm and fixed schedule.

    Parliament is within their rights in not allowing for one right now.

  119. Both my daughters are screaming Liberals….. the eldest was hanging out with me and I talked into watching CaddyShack I couldn’t believe she hadn’t seen it.

    When Dangerfield comes on the screen I say to her there…. that’s who we elected as President. She teared up….. this one’s eyes leak over everything my soldier girl, but any way she teared up and laughed and told me she was relieved that I compared Trump to Dangerfield’s character…. She said with the Lyme and all the frigging medication that I might have started to loose my powers of observation…..

    So she says … Well your powers of observation are just fine, it’s your reasoning that’s unsound….. but it was never sound in the first place….

    hmmph
    ladies and gentleman the President of the United States
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phagxOal7_A

  120. They need to hold an election

    According to?

  121. There might be hope to solve BREXIT YET:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49639294

  122. Apologies for caps.

  123. Now, can you point to me the part of the largely uncodified British Constitution where it says that a consultative referenda can overule the primacy and sovereignty of the UK Parliament?

    No I can not……

    Look I support Brexit but I could care less about the minutia. The EU was doomed to fail from the beginning and GB should have never been part of it…. but spilt milk The people voted to leave, the precedent of putting it to the people has been set (wrong thing referendums) 3 years pass with nothing but street theater and how many extensions of the dropdead date have they had, I don’t think this is the first…. Enough is enough but the political elite don’t want to leave the sinking ship so they must be thrown overboard with an election to save the ship….

    Referendums are shit people do you want to know why….. It’s Direct Democracy mob rule. But you went down that path, the people voted to leave. Guys it’s a good thing the EU is built on a Socialist Politburo top down economic model it’s inevitable that it will collapse and bring down all the economies attached to it Germany, France you don’t want GB tied to that collapse.

    The Precedent was set with the creation of the referendum they let the people choose they are blocking elections so they can continue to block what the people voted for that is Tyranny.

  124. Paul or Seimi is this sellable ?

    The Northern Ireland power sharing executive would have to be re-established and it would have to decide whether to approve the deal. This is because Northern Ireland would have to agree to the deal – it could not be imposed by the UK government.
    The UK government would have to make a series of commitments in legal codicils confirming its commitment to Northern Ireland’s place within the UK.
    The areas where Northern Ireland would be closely aligned with the EU would have to apply in areas which are currently or largely run on an all Ireland basis – agriculture and the all Ireland electricity market. Under this plan Northern Ireland would not be fully part of the EU’s single market and customs union. Closer alignment with the EU could only evolve over time.

  125. The EU is not doomed to fail

    Why would you say such a thing?

    One country wants out; That’s all that’s happening

  126. Phantom, on September 10th, 2019 at 3:15 PM Said: Edit Comment
    UK parliamentary elections are not on a firm and fixed schedule.

    Parliament is within their rights in not allowing for one right now.

    They’re in their right but man this could be spun to force elections in a week. The people of GB don’t really do a good job at applying pressure to the elected.

  127. Phantom, on September 10th, 2019 at 3:41 PM Said: Edit Comment
    The EU is not doomed to fail

    Why would you say such a thing?

    One country wants out; That’s all that’s happening

    The EU as the EU is an economic tinderbox that’s already caught fire a couple of times. Socialist top down systems don’t work…. period. It’s just a matter of when they will collapse not if.

  128. Look I support Brexit but I could care less about the minutia

    But Pat, you’re a self declared constitutionalist. How can you not care about the minutia?

    Referendums are shit people do you want to know why….. It’s Direct Democracy mob rule. But you went down that path, the people voted to leave.

    So you think that the constitutional imperative of parliamentary sovereignty should be torn up because an on the ropes British Prime Minister hoped to secure his political future with a consultative, non – binding referendum?

    Paul or Seimi is this sellable ?

    I’ve been away for a while so no longer have my finger on the pulse but my initial gut reaction is at face value it wouldn’t be successful.

  129. Incidentally, from the Labour benches in Westminster:

    https://twitter.com/DaniRowley/status/1171220453635100672

    Pete Moore & Pat will adore this.

  130. Interesting:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0910/1075076-hogan-brexit/

  131. omg…….

    First comment summed it up…. How dare you sing the Red Flag in our House of Parliament. How dare you. #DrainTheSwamp

  132. First comment summed it up….

    Why? Are socialists not allowed to be elected to parliament?

  133. of course their allowed……

  134. So, what’s the problem with singing the song?

  135. the fact that people would elect socialists is an embarrassment to any society….

    as for the song the lady had a lovely voice….

  136. The song itself is the party anthem is it not ?

  137. John Bolton just got fired……..

  138. I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did others in the Administration, and therefore….

    ….I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning. I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new National Security Advisor next week.

  139. The fact that people would elect socialists is an embarrassment to any society….

    Only in your own binary, black & white imagination Pat.

  140. we all have our wee problems…..

  141. John Bolton just got fired……..

    Drain the Swamp!

    Now all we have to do is find out what idiot appointed him in the first place.

  142. I’ll miss ya John….. thank you for your service.

  143. Bolton was a national security danger.

    We need hard headed realists, we don’t need warmongers.

  144. Here is an article that I would like everyones opinion on……

    Why the system failed to stop Nikolas Cruz — and could do it again

    Andrew Pollack calls the Parkland, Fla., school shooting “the most avoidable mass murder in American history.” Avoidable because of how the system refused to react rationally to years of warning signs about Nikolas Cruz.

    And the book Pollack, whose teen daughter was one of Cruz’s victims, has written with Max Eden shows that the same failure could occur almost anywhere in America.

    Excerpted in Monday’s Post, “Why Meadow Died” reveals educational records, like teacher daily diaries, tracking Cruz’s flagrantly psychotic behavior from an early age. A private pre-K program expelled him at age 2 for biting other tots. A kindergarten teacher reported that he “seemed to identify as an animal,” citing his crawling on the ground, pouncing on other students, growling and, again, biting.

    But early on, he got diagnosed as suffering “developmental delay,” “language processing deficiency” and “attention deficit disorder.” And such “emotional and behavioral disability” diagnoses, the authors explain, guarantee that their subject becomes a kind of untouchable in modern US schools.

    Under the Federal Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, “children with disabilities must be educated with children without disabilities to the maximum extent possible in the least restrictive environment.”

    “Full inclusion” in ordinary classes becomes imperative. And, noted one teacher, “No one ever challenges an [emotionally disabled] parent or kid because it’s not worth the risk of litigation.”

    No matter that he got worse. One middle school teacher recalls his “screaming in the hall.” “If something frustrated Cruz, he would curse and threaten anyone nearby,” the authors write. And: “For no apparent reason he would burst into maniacal laughter.”

    He told an eighth-grade teacher, “I’m a bad kid. I want to kill.” Cops were called to the Cruz home 39 times over six years. Yet no one ever invoked the “danger to himself or others” standard to try for an involuntary mental commitment.

    As Eden puts it, “All the things that were going wrong in American public education joined forces to let him slip through every crack.” And so, his record unblemished by criminal or mental health red flags, Cruz legally bought his murder weapon soon after turning 18.

  145. //Bolton was a national security danger.//

    Yes. The world is a better place with him gone.

    I reckon this has all something to do with Trump’s planned talks with the Taleban. Bolton was very much against the talks, while Pompeo and Trump himself were in favour.

  146. Sounds like exceptionally valid criticism of the entire system.

    Cruz belonged in a secure institution.

    And if not in an institution, he should never been allowed to legally own a firearm. I believe that he bought his gun legally.

  147. that was probably the last straw in the relationship

  148. Cruz legally bought his murder weapon soon after turning 18

    What’s your opinion on that Pat? Surely the article makes the case for comprehensive background checks on all gun purchasers?

  149. How do we correct it…. and I’m serious.

    The signs were there his whole life and the system failed…. it can’t fail. We will never solve the saturation problem of guns in our society, but we have to be able to prevent people like Cruz from getting their hands on them.

  150. Again, Tucker Carlson of Fox has done the nation a great service.

    He appears to have turned Trump away from a strike on Iran, he may have helped push Bolton out also.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/tucker-carlson-versus-john-bolton/592372/

  151. what is a comprehensive background check Paul…. please describe. Not joking please lay out what you would have it encompass.

  152. Pat you yourself pointed to the solution stop the saturation

  153. I enjoy both the Atlantic and Tucker….. As much as I like Bolton and agree on a lot of his positions he is not the man for this President.

    Trump is winning overseas and without the use of force, Bolton is strictly a force guy.

  154. What is a comprehensive background check Paul…. please describe

    I would suggest it include checking with the cops for criminal or violent activity, social services for domestic violence, neglect or cruelty and school and medical history for any mental or social instability and any medication and potential side affects.

  155. Emerald Pimpernel, on September 10th, 2019 at 6:17 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Pat you yourself pointed to the solution stop the saturation

    which was ?

  156. ……with any of these preventing him from legally buying a gun.

  157. the first half of what you suggest is already done. This half however school and medical history for any mental or social instability and any medication and potential side affects. is the stumbling block

  158. The first half of what you suggest is already done

    It’s my understanding that that’s not the case and in some states particular weapons can be bought over the counter with no checks whatsoever?

    […] is the stumbling block

    Why?

  159. “So have they announced an election or are you still living under tyranny in GB”

    Is Trump a tyrant because he didn’t resign his Presidency and contest a Presidential election in 2018?

  160. I asked this earlier and I don’t think there has been a response to it:

    If the people of the United States voted 52%-48% to removing the II Amendment would you be okay with that Patrick?

  161. It’s my understanding that that’s not the case and in some states particular weapons can be bought over the counter with no checks whatsoever?

    No the only way to buy a firearm without a background check is if a private citizen sells one of his firearms to another private civilian.

    The reason it’s a stumbling block is it’s against the Law to view someones medical files, and it’s not just one Law there are about 1000 different ways a persons medical records are protected under the law…. that’s where the debate has to take place. Privacy Rights.

  162. A lot of people do buy guns from other private citizens, including at gun shows in some states

    That is a loophole that should have been closed a long time ago.

    I can buy a car from a private citizen, but I still need to have a drivers license.

  163. Seamus, on September 10th, 2019 at 6:32 PM Said: Edit Comment
    I asked this earlier and I don’t think there has been a response to it:

    If the people of the United States voted 52%-48% to removing the II Amendment would you be okay with that Patrick?

    this was my answer

    who me……? Do you think I would defy the will of the people….. over the right to bear arms….?

    lmao…. I’d be spending my time doing outreach to wayward youths… teaching them the proper handling of the .45 and the art of cartridge manufacturing…. so they could feed themselves of course…..

    But we’re not talking guns and this is not a what if…..

    Your elected officials just banned elections until they get the Brexit Deal they want. That is Tyranny.

  164. I can buy a car from a private citizen, but I still need to have a drivers license.

    no you don’t

  165. You need a drivers license in order to use the car on the highway.

  166. Apologies I didn’t see that response. So just for the avoidance of any doubt – a law is passed, that has the support of 52% of the people (regardless of how many states support it), to remove the Second Amendment from the constitution. Is that acceptable?

  167. “Your elected officials just banned elections until they get the Brexit Deal they want. That is Tyranny.”

    Are the Congressional elections this week? And if not is that a tyranny?

  168. The next UK Parliamentary election will as per centuries old custom.

  169. Phantom, on September 10th, 2019 at 6:38 PM Said: Edit Comment
    You need a drivers license in order to use the car on the highway.

    but not to buy it

  170. Custom is a PM can pretty much call for elections whenever they want…..

    What is the official election schedule there ?

  171. No the only way to buy a firearm without a background check is if a private citizen sells one of his firearms to another private civilian

    Then, IMO, that should be made illegal. Unlicensed sellers should be made to notify the FBI of the buyer’s details prior to the sale.

    The reason it’s a stumbling block is it’s against the Law to view someones medical files

    Then it should be made legal and gun buyers should be informed if they intend to purchase a weapon they waive their privacy rights.

  172. “The next UK Parliamentary election will as per centuries old custom.”

    It technically isn’t. The centuries old custom is that an election will be called at the convenience of the Prime Minister on any date within five years of the previous election. If you hit five years there is an automatic one. The new law, rather than custom, which dates to 2011, is that a parliamentary term will last five years, removing the power of the Prime Minister to call an election whenever he likes. The only way around it is if the House has no confidence in the Prime Minister (which must be declared) or if 2/3rds of all MPs vote for early dissolution. If neither of those happens then the next election will be on the 5th May 2022.

  173. “Custom is a PM can pretty much call for elections whenever they want…..”

    Not any more. Since the passage of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act of 2011.

  174. thank you Seamus

  175. Didn’t know that either.

  176. But is there not at least a minimum term for a parliament? Otherwise you could call an election every month.

    I always thought there should be a minimum term in Ireland. DeValera was a divil for calling snap elections. In 1933, he called an election just 9 months after his government had won the previous one. He called another one in 1937 and then another just 11 months later. There was another in 1943 and again just 11 months later he called another election.
    He won all 6 of them.

  177. “thank you Seamus”

    No problem.

    “But is there not at least a minimum term for a parliament? Otherwise you could call an election every month.”

    Pretty much. As far as I am aware the minimum period between elections, in terms of the law, would be about 6 weeks. An election is the Thursday following 25 working days after the dissolution of parliament. So the new Parliament, in its first sitting, could decide to dissolve itself immediately (it wouldn’t do this but it theoretically could).

  178. That’s why I have been screaming Tyranny

    I was totally unaware of the 2011 Law and one of the things I always thought was a goofy quirk in their system was the PMs ability to basically shuffle the deck at will with an election.

    So truly thanks

  179. I have always thought the fixed term Parliament act is a paper tiger. Surely any PM that wants to ignore its two thirds approval stipulation just has to get half the house plus one to repeal it !

  180. No problem. That was definitely the way it used to be. The Prime Minister could call an election at their convenience (and normally went for one that was most politically advantageous for them – or when they were finally forced to do so).

    “I have always thought the fixed term Parliament act is a paper tiger. Surely any PM that wants to ignore its two thirds approval stipulation just has to get half the house plus one to repeal it !”

    Yes and no. I would say the Fixed-term Parliaments Act of 2011 is largely, as you say, a paper tiger. But for an entirely different reason (though a reason that has been tested in the last week and found wanting). Opposition will almost always say yes to an election, even if they think they will lose. They are in opposition. They are claiming every day they are better than the government and here is their chance to prove it.

    A repeal runs the risk of amendments (potentially changing other things) and also requires passage through the Lords. Theoretically it could be done with emergency legislation but likely wouldn’t be. Which means it would take weeks, even months, to repeal. Thus losing the advantage for the Prime Minister in doing so.

  181. Seamus

    I know it was brought in after the coalition govt came to power in 2010 to try and guarantee that the Tories couldn’t throw their Lib Dem allies overboard at their own convenience but I thought even that didn’t make sense. Surely as you say in any normal political times the opposition would vote for the election thereby enabling the Tories to still get their election in spite of their Lib Dem coalition partners not wanting one.

  182. In my experience most constitutional reforms in the UK are ill thought out in the first place. Very few of them (even some of the more effective ones) worked as they were originally designed to do.

    Arguably, constitutionally anyway, the major knock on effect of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act is the changing of meaning around confidence votes. Most confidence votes, pre-2011, were not worded as such. Most of them were just significant policy acts, or budgets, or a debate following the Queen’s Speech. The government would whip them as confidence votes and would resign if they lost them (providing a good argument for the whip – vote Aye on this vote or there will be an election and the Opposition might win). Since the Fixed-term Parliaments Act however a confidence vote has to be deliberately worded as such. It means that the government may de facto lose the confidence of the House (as May did repeatedly) but not actually have to resign as they didn’t lose an explicit confidence motion.

    Boris whipped the vote last Tuesday as a confidence vote (hence his argument for removing the whip from those who voted against it). By that idea he should have resigned last Tuesday. A decade ago he would have had to. Now, because of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act he doesn’t.

  183. I remember a big vote in Parliament about 20 years ago I can’t remember if it was when Major was in power and it was a defeat in a VAT proposal and it caused such a huge fuss with breathless talk about it being such an unprecedented humiliation for a sitting government as it was such a rare occurrence. Now there are more Big Vote defeats each month than episodes of Eastenders ! 😉

  184. May had the largest, and second largest, parliamentary defeats ever suffered by a government. And didn’t resign despite them. Decided to go for it a third time (but failed to break any new records with that as the likes of Boris came in to support her on it).

  185. I love the fact that the first 6 commons divisions of Boris’ premiership have been government losses. Surely that must be a record that will never be beaten. Who says Boris isn’t a champion for the ages 😉

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