Camptown Races
By Mahons On September 9th, 2019Im not sure if laughter is the appropriate response to President Trump’s tweet cancelling meeting with the Taliban at Camp David. But it was my reaction.
The perpetual grievanes and duplicity of the various Afghan factions makes conventional negotiations impossible. Having them come to Camp David for “talks” is an absurdity. Id have more respect if he invited them to one of his golf clubs for a few rounds. Of course they might view the phrase a few rounds differently.
Afghanistan remains an ungovernable disaster and will likely remain so for the duration of time. Efforts to enlighten, educate and improve are simply alien to its people’s core beliefs.
To think that a lasting agreement for a sustainable peace could be achieved
Trump had planned to hand over Afghanistan to the Taliban during the week of Sept 11.
Oh yes he did
//Trump had planned to hand over Afghanistan to the Taliban during the week of Sept 11.//
Yes.
But that’s just another example of the vastness of his ego. He honestly can’t see beyond the horizons of the world he imagines around himself. Just as he has absolutely no reference in the real word for judging the truth of anything he says or tweets, rather than what he would simply like to believe, he can’t imagine anything or anyone outside himself deserving consideration. Only he has a right to feel insulted.
BTW Was this Taliban bash generally known before he decided to cancel it publically? Some media refer to it as being secret, others don’t.
I’m not sure it enjoyed any more secrecy than has been exhibited in the past by the Administration.
The elected Afghan govt has not been part of the negotiations
Trump -only- negotiated with the Taliban, the friends of Al Queda.
With the flipflopper in chief don’t be so sure he won’t do it anyway
I want the local Trumpers to justify negotiating with the enablers of 9/11 with a desired grand finale at the week of 9/11
I am begging for them to justify this in some way
Wow! If that’s true, just……wow.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/05/taliban-talks-peace-afghanistan-190510062940394.html
Trump may have had little choice, but he did agree to exclude the Afghan govt. Which yes is amazing.
The fake president publicly criticized Obama for…talking to the Taliban.
Now, let’s look at our own files from September 2012
http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=35080#comments
Afghanistan, like many post-colonial countries with artificial borders, could probably benefit from a healthy dose of balkanisation. Certainly there is grounds for partitioning the southern, primarily Pashtun, part of it. What happens in the north is more complicated. Whether it continues to exist as a union of its non-Pashtun peoples or is in turn subdivived into its ethnic groups and merged with their neighbouring countries (primarily Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan), with maybe an independent Hazaragi state (or where that group is merged into Iran), remains to be seen.
I know that Afghanistan is complicated, but weren’t its borders have been ” artificial ” even before the era of the British empire
The border between Pakistan and Afghanistan largely was drawn by a British diplomat Mortimer Durand in 1893, largely deciding where British India ended and to hell with the local communities who suddenly found themselves on different sides of an international border. The eastern border was decided by British diplomat Frederic John Goldsmid in 1872. And its northern border largely represents the territorial extension of the old Russian empire.
I’d think that any of the old Afghan borders would have been just as flawed
http://www.geocurrents.info/geopolitics/the-afghan-%E2%80%9Cgraveyard-of-empires%E2%80%9D-myth-and-the-wakhan-corridor
Sure. Not least because there isn’t really an Afghan people. So, overwhelmingly, any Afghanistan is going be a multi ethnic state surrounded by countries to whom their ethnic groups belong to.
Nice work Phantom.
I won’t believe Trump has done anything wrong until Patrick says he has. 😉
I’m not a Trumper, not any more anyway, but I’ll bite:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5
To me, the Taliban’s position was entirely reasonable – let us see prima facie evidence of OBL’s culpability and we’ll hand him over. Yet, even today, the FBI states that there is no evidence linking OBL to 9/11. GWB, on the other hand , said
Let’s see what has come out of an assessment of building 7…….
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1175375/9-11-world-trade-center-twin-towers-September-11-conspiracy-theories
Here’s why US-military Inc. invaded Afghanistan – check 2001 in the graph below
https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/legacy-news-images/photos/large/2017/November/Afghan_opium_survey-01.jpg
According to reports Trump fired Bolton:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49655279
A sailor’s pay packet in Amsterdam lasts longer than a Trump staffer.
Where Bolton contradicts Trump’s version of this is however where it gets interesting:
https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1171455806069305346
I think this is going to be messy.