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The Test is about to begin…..

By Patrick Van Roy On September 16th, 2019

 

Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz has officially completed his investigation into alleged Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act abuses by the Obama Administration.

The FISA court was setup to fight Terrorism. It is a star chamber court used to skirt the due process Laws of the United States.  The Judges of the Court are appointed by the Chief Justice of the Supreme court.  After 9/11 we needed extra tools to fight the War on Terror INSIDE the United States.

FISA was setup by the Patriot Act.  It is a court where the FBI can go to a Judge with evidence acquired not through the normal due process of Law.  The information although illegally obtained must be accurate and must be sworn to under oath that it is accurate and the threat it indicates is strong enough to bypass Due Process to ensure the safety of America.

When it was formed the Left had a fit and screamed and hollered that it would be abused by the Bush Administration.  In the 7yrs that the court existed while Bush was President the court was never abused, not once.  Under Obama the court was abused to the point that the Judges assigned to it reprimanded the Obama Justice Dept. multiple times.

At the end of the Obama Administration (the last year) the Court was used EXACTLY as the Left had feared. The court was used by the Obama Administration to try and get dirt on a Political Opponent. This was done 4 times.  Using fabricated information created by Russia, England, Australia and the DNC.

The IG report is now being reviewed, the principals charged in the report will be allowed to view their individual sections and be permitted to submit rebuttal statements…. the ones we know about are Comey, McCabe, Yates, Rosenstein, Strojk, and Page.

2 weeks to a Month from now the charges will be filed and after protecting the Brits and Australians with Redactions the public will finally get to see how bad Obama and his minions defiled our system.

55 Responses to “The Test is about to begin…..”

  1. Ah, that drawing.

  2. just for you…. 😉

  3. The court was used by the Obama Administration to try and get dirt on a Political Opponent.

    The fact that the Trump campaign had multiple contacts, here and in Europe, with Russian intelligence operatives, contacts observed by our intelligence people and those of the Europeans should have been ignored according to Patrick.

    Because to monitor this unusual activity was ” getting dirt on a political opponent “

  4. Patrick still chasing that ‘Justice is coming for the Obamas’ mirage ? You’ve got to admire his stamina 😉

  5. They falsified evidence and used the nations surveillance apparatus to spy on a political opponent.

    Spin all you want they single handedly destroyed the rule of Law.

  6. The US spies on the Russians and Ukranians all the time.

    They noted that Trump was talking to these intelligence targets

    They shouldn’t have investigated any further?

    You regard Trump’s constant contact with these guys as normal?

  7. nonsense they used Australian and British Intelligence to fabricate a honey trap and plant false information, that combined with the phoney russian dossier were all manufactured false evidence.

    They LIED under oath and used the power of the Federal Government to frame a political opponent and people are going to go to jail.

  8. So the Trump campaign wasn’t in touch with Russian and Ukranian intelligence agencies?

    And you would criticize them if they were in contact with those agencies?

  9. Mueller investigated those connections and found nothing…..

    but don’t let lack of real evidence of wrong doing stop you Phantom, you still have all that falsified evidence.

    Your reality is based on delusion and lies, but hey go for it…. I’ll keep laughing at you.

  10. You are writing in a very sly manner.

    You are saying that Trump and his people never met with Russian intelligence assets, or with their Wikileaks subsidiary?

  11. I’m not dancing…. Mueller investigated all that and found nothing.

    You can’t accept the fact that the man is innocent even after a 30 million dollar investigation by 28 Lawyers hired for the exclusive purpose of finding something found nothing.

  12. Mueller didn’t find nothing, he did not exonerate.

    The report documents the contacts with various Russians and Russian allies

  13. he exonerated him on collusion and any election interference.

    He refused to follow prosicurial rules and his mandate and passed on obstruction.

    He was exonerated on everything else.

    Now we can debate whether or not someone can commit obstruction without a crime to obstruct over, but Mueller exonerated him on the things you are trying to say still happened.

    I said from day one if Mueller found anything Trump should be prosecuted even though I believed the whole investigation was illegal. The investigation existed whether I liked it or not, I committed here consistently on accepting it’s results.

    I did not believe they wouldn’t find some crime. He made his money as his father in a business that has multiple ties to organized crime. Both the Construction industry (Union and Waste) and the Casino business are the mob.

    He’s Mr Clean inspite of your personal feelings.

    Now members of our Federal Law Enforcement and Intelligence agencies broke the Law and falsified evidence for political reasons.

    You should be outraged, but you are not.

    Please justify why.

  14. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49100778

    Mr Mueller said he had not exonerated Mr Trump of obstruction of justice.

    The former FBI director spent two years probing alleged collusion between the 2016 Trump campaign and Russia, but did not establish collusion in a crime.

    He concluded that Russia had interfered in the election with the intention of benefitting Mr Trump’s campaign.

  15. The case against Trump’s cronies Patrick indicated he had to reserve judgment until they were convicted. The “case” against the Obama Administration requires apparently no such wait…

  16. Oh I am waiting Mahons

  17. The US spies on the Russians and Ukranians all the time.

    They noted that Trump was talking to these intelligence targets

    No they didn’t. However it does seem that concocted “evidence” was laid before the FISA court in order to spy on Donald Trump.

  18. What is the title of the post….?

    We shall see what happens. I have faith in the system, I think we are going to see prosecutions based on the facts that are already in the public domain.

    Will anyone go to jail ? This is the greatest threat to our way of life. I am not sure that anyone will go to jail. We know Obama won’t, Hillary won’t, but the cops and intelligence directors need to or we have a two tiered justice system and in that case we’re all fucked unless you are politically powerful.

  19. Was the Trump campaign in any contact with Russian intelligence and/or their Russian/Ukranian assets?

  20. You have faith that Trump will use the system to harm his political opponents.

  21. Phantom, on September 16th, 2019 at 6:53 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Was the Trump campaign in any contact with Russian intelligence and/or their Russian/Ukranian assets?

    You keep repeating that question like it has relevance. It does not, any contact Trump had was examined by Mueller and no violations were found…. so he could have had lunch with the head of the FSB Mueller investigated every contact and found nothing.

    You were and are wrong, you just can’t accept it…. that’s sad.

  22. Phantom, on September 16th, 2019 at 6:54 PM Said: Edit Comment
    You have faith that Trump will use the system to harm his political opponents.

    I have faith that those who committed crimes to throw an american election will be prosecuted.

  23. It has no relevance if Trump’s people were meeting with Russian intelligence agents and Wikileaks as part of their campaign activities?

    That is what you are trying to say.

  24. It has no relevance if Trump’s people were meeting with Russian intelligence agents and Wikileaks as part of their campaign activities?

    That is what you are trying to say.

    CORRECT Phantom….. because EVERYONE OF THOSE MEETINGS WERE INVESTIGATED BY MUELLER AND HE FOUND NO VIOLATIONS…..

    but you with your Law degree know better than Mueller and the 28 Democrat Lawyers that went over them with a fine tooth comb.

    So tell us Phantom what Crime did those 28 Lawyers and Mueller missed that YOU KNOW he committed ?

  25. Mueller didn’t say that he found no violations

    He never used the word exonerate

    Remember, your president wants you to hate Mueller and to mock him, not to quote him

    He’s a “dirty cop”, remember?

  26. really really sad Phantom…..

    You can’t be objective. Your hate for Trump is your outweighing factor on your judgement.

    They found nothing and to you not only doesn’t it matter, but the fact that they broke the Law in trying to find something was justified.

    Do the country a favor, stay in England.

  27. I’m speaking the truth, and you can’t handle the truth

    Mueller explicitly said that he didn’t exonerate your president.

  28. sad just sad

    Donald Trump is your President too Phantom. there’s the itch you can’t scratch……

  29. A prosecutor’s job is not to exonerate….. a prosecutor’s job is to charge or dismiss not exonerate.

    Mueller found nothing Trump could be charged with that’s the truth that you can’t handle.

  30. He has never for one minute tried to be the president of all the people.

    He is unique in all recent presidents in this.

    He is yours. Keep him and treasure him.

  31. and to top it off Phantom that is all settled, over finitae…..

    What is going to happen to those who abused their power is NOT and no matter where you stand politically this is the most important investigation in American History.

  32. Obama was the most racially divisive President we’ve had since Coolidge. He put race relations back 40yrs.

    once again your personal hate has colored your objectivity.

  33. Patrick

    The balanced and fair objectivity you demonstrate equally towards Presidents Obama and Trump shines out like a….. no sorry I can’t write any more I’m laughing too much 😄

  34. He’s “ fair and balanced “ just like Fox News

  35. Presidential candidates should be investigated by our intelligence services and cleared before they run for office. Had that happened in the case of Trump they would have discovered he was a very sleazy guy who did business with Russian gangsters and he would have been disqualified.

    What trouble we would have been spared. As it is we have a corrupt and ignorant clown who embarrasses the US around the world. Did people who voted for Trump expect anything else but what we see every day?

    Very fine people like Comey, McCabe and Yates are pilloried by their moral and intellectual inferiors. Disgrace is too mild a word for what is occurring.

  36. His support base likes the fact that he does business with Russian gangsters

    Seriously

    He’s a bad boy, but he’s their bad boy

  37. I am anything BUT fair and Objective, but I am not alone in my views….

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/without-accountability-there-can-never-be-trust-in-our-government_3083443.html

  38. WOW…..

    New Yorker, on September 16th, 2019 at 11:49 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Presidential candidates should be investigated by our intelligence services and cleared before they run for office. Had that happened in the case of Trump they would have discovered he was a very sleazy guy who did business with Russian gangsters and he would have been disqualified.

    What trouble we would have been spared. As it is we have a corrupt and ignorant clown who embarrasses the US around the world. Did people who voted for Trump expect anything else but what we see every day?

    Very fine people like Comey, McCabe and Yates are pilloried by their moral and intellectual inferiors. Disgrace is too mild a word for what is occurring.

    The babbling of combined hate an Lunacy.

    Presidential candidates should be investigated by our intelligence services and cleared before they run for office. Had that happened in the case of Trump they would have discovered he was a very sleazy guy who did business with Russian gangsters and he would have been disqualified.

    President Obama’s political career was Launched in the Living Room of CONVICTED Domestic Terrorists, Biden black mailed the Ukrainians and his Son received a BILLION dollars from the Chicoms….. Due to his past Bill Clinton would never have received a security clearance if he wasn’t elected. Our politicians are exempt from “background checks” because they are ELECTED and the Press is supposed to do the background check and put it out for the People a job they have neglected for political reasons.

    Very fine people like Comey, McCabe and Yates are pilloried by their moral and intellectual inferiors. Disgrace is too mild a word for what is occurring.

    VERY FINE PEOPLE…… 3 of the Top Law Enforcement Officers in America all guilty of falsifying evidence and committing perjury…..

    I used to respect your views, I may not have agreed with them, but you always came across as sane and sound…..

    However lately with remarks like those above your intelligence if not your sanity needs to be questioned.

  39. Loosen up Sandy baby

    What’s the frequency

  40. tell me Kenneth…..

  41. PVR

    Do you have the ability dispassionately consider an idea on its merits and shortcomings?

    I suggested potential candidates be vetted by our intelligence services. Do you think the idea has any merit, if so, what is good about it. If you think it has no merit, what are your reasons. You wrote: “Our politicians are exempt from “background checks” because they are ELECTED and the Press is supposed to do the background check and put it out for the People a job they have neglected for political reasons.” Our intelligence services have much greater resources, expertise and legal authority than the press to conduct vetting of candidates, therefore they would do a better job at vetting. My position is that our politicians should not be exempt from real professional vetting. That is the initial premise of my argument. Do you understand how arguments work? The major benefit of my position is that the likes of Trump would be prevented from pursuing office and save he nation the enormous problems caused by Trump and others. There are several historical examples where this would apply. If the corrupt and incompetent Andrew Johnson had been properly vetted and disqualified, reconstruction would probably not have been destroyed.

    Perhaps I assume too much in thinking you can conduct a dispassionate rational argument and you can rise above the level of crackpot ranting. It is in your court to prove my assumptions about your ability right or wrong.

  42. Vetting is all fine and well but who would have the responsibility and power of banning a candidate from running for office and how would it be exercised and what exactly would be the conditions required to ban a candidate ? Could that process itself not end up being a politically corrupt procedure with excuses being made to ban popular candidates by political opponents ? Its not that straightforward a proposal.

  43. It would be a politicized thing in reality

    Trump has not been convicted of any crime- And even if he had been convicted of a felony, or 100 felonies That would not stop him from being a candidate for president AFAIK

  44. Sorry NYr when I see something I view as ridiculous come from someone whose views I respect I don’t always word things gently……

    The vetting of someone for office…… vetted by the government…. Whose Rules ? Whose Standards ? The FBI does all of our nations Top Secret Background Checks, a check can take 6mths to a year.

    If the FBI had vetted Trump since they were in the bag for Clinton do you think he would have passed ?

    Since this is a vetting system for office everything that is found out has to be public… Would you accept the FBI saying Yeah this ones good, but this one is NOT without knowing the reason why ?

    Basically what you are calling for NYr is a Religious test for Office.

    The vetting of a candidate is supposed to be done by the People not the Government. Wr are supposed to be responsible to pick people we know and trust to place in elected office… THE PEOPLE make that decision.

    Elected office is the only office that someone can hold a Top Secret Clearence without a background check because they are the ELECTED Representative of the People of their district or the Country and that selection overrides any misdeeds in the persons past….

    A Good Example Washington DC Mayor Marion Barry, busted for smoking crack with a hooker and still got elected again.

    The People do the vetting, the Press is supposed to aid in that…..

  45. Subject our candidates to the vagaries, prejudices and not infrequent failures of our intelligence services? No thank you. It is unconstitutional, undemocratic and unwise. The CIA as a gatekeeper to our elections? Unnecessary. We have sufficient checks and balances, an electorate that has the right to vote and despite accusations to the contrary a free press that ultimately gets the news out correctly.

  46. A felony conviction is not a bar to office. Eugene Debs (a socialist imprisoned for political beliefs) ran for office from prison in the early 1900s. I think he only got votes in the single digits. Several Irish people have run for Parliament and we’re elected from prison.

  47. Were.

  48. //Several Irish people have run for Parliament and we’re elected from prison.//

    In fact, part of a biography behind bars was for generations a sine-qua-non for advancement in Irish politics.
    Daniel O’Connell, Davitt, Parnell, Jim Larkin, Michael Collins, DeValera, Seán Lemass … they’d all served their country – in jail.

  49. The press did aid in the vetting

    Some of us didn’t want to hear it

  50. too true too often

  51. here ya go Phantom, not your viewpoint but worth reading

    https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/09/30/do-guns-help-people-defend-themselves/

  52. This is the song that never ends.
    Yes, it goes on and on my friend.
    Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was,
    And now they are still singing it just because…

  53. “The vetting of a candidate is supposed to be done by the People not the Government.” What is the basis for that statement other than your anti-government bias?

    Whatever is found in the vetting by intelligence services after careful review should be made public. Candidates are public persons and thereby relinquish protections of private citizens.

    Current vetting of candidates is woefully inadequate, and social media and several websites compound the inadequacy. We have no established system for doing so. Top corporate executives, even mid-level ones, get much better vetting than and any rich idiot who wants to be POTUS.

  54. “The vetting of a candidate is supposed to be done by the People not the Government.” What is the basis for that statement other than your anti-government bias?

    gee I don’t know, maybe I got that Idea from for, by, and of the people…. that kind of leans to the impression that it is the people that pick and therefore vet the candidates worth with their own judgement.

    We have a 242 year old system of vetting candidates….. you may find that it does not meet your standards, but the system works.

    It would work better if we had an objective or at least honest Press…. at the moment it is neither.

  55. “gee I don’t know”. That is the only part of your statement that is true. You rely on an impression, not law or reason.

    “but the system works.” It obviously does not work considering all the scallywags, conmen, thieves, traitors and other criminals that have held office. That is a major reason I advocate a better system of vetting.