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DRUM TRUDEAU FROM PUBLIC LIFE!

By Pete Moore On September 19th, 2019

“Mammy …”

A new video has emerged of Canada’s Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, wearing blackface, a day after he admitted such behaviour was racist.

He apologised on Wednesday after photos of two similar episodes – one when he was a teacher and another a student – came to light.

His Liberal Party says the video is genuine and dates from the early 1990s.

The revelations come amid campaigning for the 21 October election, when Mr Trudeau hopes to win a second term.

I am shocked to my core at this bombshell news. Shaking with fear too, like all of you. I’m so shaken that I dropped my fair trade soy latte when I heard that Justin Trudeau is a neanderthal knuckle dragger. Everyone’s affected by this. I know because everyone who’s been calling Boris Johnson a racist is suddenly quiet. They’ve been struck dumb!

I know that Canadians will do the decent thing and rid the public sphere of this foul man.

112 Responses to “DRUM TRUDEAU FROM PUBLIC LIFE!”

  1. Boric Johnson is an actual racist (no doubt part of his appeal to you). Trudeau has enough credibility on this issue in the bank to be recognized as a non racist who did something fairly benign at the time which he is sufficiently apologetic about now.

  2. so what has Boris done to be a racist….. ?

    We know Trudeau’s favorite costume is BLACKFACE…. which as Mahons admits to all Liberals doing black face, faking black dialect, even creating the KKK is benign and harmless.

    So what horrible thing has Boris done that makes him a racist Mahons ?

  3. Yeah and Trudeau was a horrible racist when he encouraged 50k Syrians to move to Canada on top of all the other refugees we already accept

    We’ve all been young and dumb most of us just don’t have photographs posted about it in the media as a gotcha moment

  4. did he take those refugees into his home……

  5. and Trudeau is younger than me and blackface has never been acceptable in my lifetime.

  6. I’d say Johnson’s use of the phrase Watermelon Smiles and picinnnies to describe black people qualifies as racist. Do you disagree?

  7. I don’t know where you get the idea that liberals invented the KKK from. While blackface would be more problematic as it has a particular history of racist context, brownfield doesn’t quite have the same history, and certainly not in the 80s for a guy in an Aladin costume.

  8. the KKK was created by the Democrats Mahons….. that’s where.

  9. oh so white people can where BROWN FACE…… so at what shade of brown does it become unacceptable…?

    Can you provide that color chart please.

  10. Mahons displays the typical Liberal slant…… when they do clearly racist things it’s not really bad because of course they are morally superior…. it’s different when they do it….

  11. Southern post Civil War Democrats were hardly liberals. They were white Supremists more in line with today’s far right which you would acknowledge if you wanted to be known as an honest debater here (course that ship has sailed some time ago).

  12. I’d say Johnson’s use of the phrase Watermelon Smiles and picinnnies to describe black people qualifies as racist. Do you disagree?

    Yes, I disagree. It was a scathing use of those terms, against Tony Blair’s use of human props on his foreign tours. I know that because I’ve read the article. You’ve only read a lie about that article. Try it yourself –

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3571742/If-Blairs-so-good-at-running-the-Congo-let-him-stay-there.html

  13. I don’t think brownface is an acceptable thing today and Asians would have a legitimate beef were it done today, especially if deliberately done to cause offense.

  14. Pete – oddly enough Boris didn’t disagree and aplogized.

  15. aaahhh so Democrats in the past were really today’s Republicans…..

    and I don’t care if this gets me thrown off the site…. F YOU George!

    Your not honest in ANYTHING……. You can’t even be honest about your name.

    Say I’m dishonest or personally insult me again and I’ll post your name and company.

    You want to be a dick…… lets rumble.

  16. I am sick of it……

  17. Mahons –

    LONDON — Boris Johnson has refused to apologize for articles he has written referring to black people as “piccaninnies” with “watermelon smiles” and calling gay people “bumboys,” saying his comments were “wholly satirical.”

    The frontrunner to replace Theresa May as Britain’s prime minister told Sky News that his comments had been “wrenched out of context.”

    “I think if you look at each of every one of those articles … the quotations have been wrenched out of context in some cases to mean the opposite of what I intended,” Johnson said, adding that the comments had been made in “a wholly satirical way.”

    That apology?

  18. Democrats in South who formed the Klan were not liberals. You wrote liberals founded the Klan which is simply untrue. I don’t associate modern day Republicans with the founders of the Klan, or even white supremacy. But I do associate white supremists with the extreme right wing.

  19. No Pete his “I do feel very sad that people have been so offended by these words and I’m sorry that I caused this offense.” That apology.

  20. Do Liberals support affirmative action ?

    Do Liberals practice Identity Politics ?

    Are Liberals calling for segregation on Campuses ?

    The answer to those questions is YES. That’s racism, that’s treatment and decisions based on Race and Gender…. bigotry no matter what you want to call it.

    That’s the Democrats of the kkk and the Liberals of today….. they do not treat all people equal so they are the same.

  21. Many liberals support affirmative action and identity politics. I’d hardly equate that with lynching.

  22. Things are never just black(face) or white(face)…. they are fifty shades of grey 😉

  23. Hey pat did you ever dress up as an Indian?

  24. oh what not willing to enter into an honest debate Mahons ?

    The Modern Democrat Party that you are proudly a member of support Black Lives Matter, ANTIFA, suppression of speech, the promotion of violence against speech they don’t approve of, and the slaughter of unborn black children that they want tax payers to pay for. Showing up at peoples homes in the middle of the night to harass people and threaten their families.

    So the only thing I see different between Liberals and the Democrat kkk is they no longer where hoods that’s it.

  25. No EP I never dressed as an Indian or blackface…… I have dressed as a woman for Halloween.

  26. Equality of opportunity means giving everyone the same opportunities. It involves recognising that not everyone has the same starting point in life and that actually in order to achieve equality of opportunity you actually have to give people with lower starts in life a boost to allow them to achieve those opportunities.

    This video explains it pretty well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K5fbQ1-zps

  27. The modern Democrat Party is worse than the KKK. LBJ destroyed the black nuclear family, margaret sanger created planned parenthood to eliminate blacks, the democrat teachers union have destroyed the public school system in the black community so now less than 50% graduate.

    The Democrats refuse to enforce the nations laws on guns in the black community which conveniently leads to the majority of gun violence stays in the black community.

  28. the video is propaganda

  29. It isn’t. Plenty of people get a head start in life. If it makes you feel smug and superior to other people to pretend otherwise then that is your own problem. But it is a simple fact. Plenty get head starts in life. To achieve true equality of opportunity we have to even out that head start.

  30. There are certainly Democrats who support some of those things, just as there are Republicans who support bad things. No one can blame every member of a political party for the actions of every other member.

  31. Wow Pat you must be the only boy in Pennsylvania who never pretended to be an Indian

  32. I and others, yourself included for years, have utilized a pen name under a respected tradition of confidentiality. Disrespect of that has occurred on a few occasions by extremely pathetic people who have sought to harm the professional reputation of people with whom they disagreed. I think threatening to do so is sufficient grounds for a ban but I will not ask for one as I know you enjoy the site. But threaten that again and I certainly will.

  33. first Seamus everyone of those things that they took two steps forward….. that left the blacks in the back….. the reason they didn’t have those opportunities was because the Democrats destroyed the Black family unit.

    Mahons…. Those are the DEMOCRAT PARTY’S policies…. If you don’t support the mass slaughter of the unborn, if you don’t support Black Lives Matter, if you don’t support Black Only Dorms, or the non prosecution of the gun law mandatory sentences then maybe you ought to ask yourself why you’re a democrat because those are the positions of YOUR PARTY…

    not individuals, but the Party itself.

  34. I thought you were prochoice. I suppose my memory fails. The Democrat Party is, though I think they argue their position more as a woman’s rights issue and not a slaughter of the unborn. I’m unaware of the Party advocating the nonprosecution of gun law mandatory sentences or black only dorms.

  35. “first Seamus everyone of those things that they took two steps forward….. that left the blacks in the back….. the reason they didn’t have those opportunities was because the Democrats destroyed the Black family unit.”

    Firstly the Democrats didn’t destroy the black family unit. Secondly, while absence of fathers is a big problem in the black community, and a major cause of problems, it is far from the only one. The lack of access to adequate education, exposure to poverty, etc… are unrelated.

    And lets even for a minute accept your premise that this is all the fault of the Democrats. It still happens. Those people are still disadvantaged. Just in your ill-informed little world their disadvantage is the fault of the Democrats. But the disadvantage is still there. And needs to be remedied.

  36. Mahons, on September 19th, 2019 at 10:34 PM Said:
    I and others, yourself included for years, have utilized a pen name under a respected tradition of confidentiality. Disrespect of that has occurred on a few occasions by extremely pathetic people who have sought to harm the professional reputation of people with whom they disagreed. I think threatening to do so is sufficient grounds for a ban but I will not ask for one as I know you enjoy the site. But threaten that again and I certainly will.

    Continue to call me dishonest and I won’t care Mahons.

    You are concerned about keeping your anonymity because you don’t want what you say here to reflect on you as a person or on your job…..

    Well I post under my real name, even when I was The Troll I put my real name out there because I stand by what I say. I have nothing to hide.

    I do however care about being called a Liar. Especially since I use my real name.

    For over 15yrs you have called me a Liar and I have NEVER lied.

    I have gotten things wrong, but never not once have I ever tried to deceive ANYONE.

    You continue to LIABLE me.

    Now you can call me an ass, an idiot, a dick, a pussy, a faggot, a son of a bitch…. I won’t bat an eye, but you attack my integrity. You repeatedly say I Lie….

    So understand me…. Stop.

    You Liable me again and I don’t care what the consequences are. As important as your anonymity is to you is how important my integrity is to me.

    It’s ok in your mind to anonymously say that I’m a Liar and damage my reputation….. well then it is also ok for me to respond by destroying your anonymity.

    I don’t want to expose you, I don’t want to fight with you.

    I will not however allow you to continually Liable me without consequences.

    Now we can let it go here or not…. the ball is in your court.

  37. The word is libel. Something never done to you here by anyone.

  38. Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist that designed planned parenthood for the elimination of black people and other “inferriors” that is a fact.

    I am prochoice, I am not however a eugenicist. If a woman chooses to abort so be it. I don’t support planned parenthood because it was designed to be ovens for blacks just like the nazis made for the jews.

  39. Calling me a Liar is Libel I may not know how to spell it, but you don’t know the definition.

    libel
    [ˈlībəl]
    NOUN
    law
    a published false statement that is damaging to a person’s reputation; a written defamation

    You calling me a Liar everyday is libelous.

  40. Calm down guys

  41. //You are concerned about keeping your anonymity because you don’t want what you say here to reflect on you as a person or on your job…..//

    Oh no. Not this shit again.

    Patrick, will you ever give us a break! Nobody here cares about anyone else’s job; we just comment on issues. Your obsession with your fellow Americans’ occupations is sick.

    As I said before, if you want to obsess on someone’s job, start investigating Colm’s.

    Great video, Seamus (10:20 PM)

  42. Why mine ?

  43. “You calling me a Liar everyday is libelous.”

    You do have a propensity of making shit up, or at least repeating the claims of other people who just make shit up, and then losing the rag when it is pointed out to. Pointing out the dishonesty of calling the Klan liberals (just because the were Democrats) is not libeling you. It is an argument, and one that holds merit. Pointing out that many of them became Republicans (and were actively encouraged to do so by Richard Nixon’s southern strategy) is not libeling you.

    I imagine Mahons, being a lawyer, knows the definition of libel. He would also know that the absolute defence of libel is truthfulness i.e. if you are being dishonest, or could be reasonably described as being dishonest, then him calling you dishonest is not libeling you.

    For a guy who gurns and bitches about “liberals” attacking free speech you seem to be doing what you claim you are doing. Attempting to attack another person’s private life, his commercial life, his job etc… because he disagrees with you. Seriously, I enjoy debating with you, but grow the fuck up.

    As for the Margaret Sanger points a) there is no evidence to suggest that Margaret Sanger, while in favour of eugenics, did not favour racial elimination. In fact most people who favoured eugenics at the time didn’t support racial elimination. A minority of them did, but most did not. The link to this minority (and the Nazi use of eugenics) is one of the primary reasons (other than it being scientifically bollocks) that eugenics has fallen out of favour. But while a minority of pro-eugenics people support racial elimination a majority did not (a majority including Margaret Sanger). Sanger was such a racist that she supported ending segregation, advocating for health clinics to be opened in majority black neighbourhoods, and was openly praised shortly after her death by Martin Luther King. b) Margaret Sagner opposed abortion. During her life, and in her advocacy on contraception, Sagner repeatedly opposed abortion, seeing it as brutal, as a crime, as murder.

    So the idea that Sagner formed Planned Parenthood for the elimination of black people is simply bollocks.

  44. “Why mine ?”

    Would maybe be interesting. I’m assuming a pimp or gigolo of some form?

  45. As I’ve said you can call me an ass, an idiot, a dick, a pussy, a faggot, a son of a bitch…. I won’t bat an eye, but you keep libeling me and attacking my integrity.

    You continue to repeatedly say I Lie…. I’ll get us both thrown off.

    Because you may not care about your “online” persona, but I do care about mine.

    I freely admit that I’m a dick but I’m no Liar.

    So please stop.

    Noel/Colm you don’t want to hear it…. tell him. I am only reacting to being called a Liar and being libeled. He has done this for over 15yrs I’ve had enough.

  46. Close – I run a huge international porn empire. I used to only have 45% shares in it but when Mother Teresa died I inherited her 20% now I have controlling ownership 😉

  47. Patrick, close your eyes, breath deeply relax lie back…. and think of France 😉

  48. Seamus you find where I have lied and post it……

    A LIE is an intentional misleading. I have NEVER done that.

    Lie(verb) to utter falsehood with an intention to deceive; to say or do that which is intended to deceive another, when he a right to know the truth, or when morality requires a just representation.

    I don’t do that and he is a Lawyer and he may not be able to accept the fact that he is Libeling me but a court would…..

    defamation
    [ˌdefəˈmāSH(ə)n]
    NOUN
    the action of damaging the reputation of someone; slander or libel.
    “she sued him for defamation”
    synonyms:
    libel · slander · character assassination · defamation of character · calumny · vilification · traducement · obloquy · scandal · scandalmongering · malicious gossip ·

  49. Actually he didn’t say lie. He said dishonest (technically actually didn’t say dishonest but inferred it). And dishonest includes:

    adjective

    – behaving or prone to behave in an untrustworthy, deceitful, or insincere way.
    – intended to mislead or cheat.

    Your argument (about the liberal Klan) was either insincere or misleading. Thus dishonest.

  50. Patrick, if you simply check things before writing them, that would avoid most of the complaints about you.

    You can’t and won’t get away on a site like this with just blurting out statements because they suit your mood and pretending they are facts. You have to have some reference to the actual situation. Write things you know to be true.

    If you were seriously concerned with maintaining a reputation for integrity here, you’d do something about that.

  51. Colm

    I’m sick of it…… and notice how Mahons has stopped “debating” the fact that he is both Libeling and Defaming me.

    He is oh so concerned about himself and his reputation, but has no care about anyone else.

    I understand he doesn’t want people to know who he is….. but I do.

    I am a very public person. I stand by what I say… so much so that I put my own name to it. So when I am called a LIAR yeah I get pissed off.

    He has made that accusation for over 15yrs, he or any of you can not provide a single example of me lying yet all of you consider me less than truthful.

    Since you can’t find a single lie I’ve ever told don’t you think that part of the reason for that is 15 years of Mahons calling me a Liar and then running away….

    Repeat a falsehood long enough it is accepted as fact…. well I’ve had enough and I’m not going to accept it anymore.

    I don’t care if I’m perceived as a kook. I do care that even though I have never lied that is the reputation he has created. As I’ve said find where in the 18 years that I have been on this site that I put forth a lie….

  52. Noel post where I have Lied.

  53. Seamus, on September 19th, 2019 at 11:38 PM Said:
    Actually he didn’t say lie. He said dishonest (technically actually didn’t say dishonest but inferred it). And dishonest includes:

    adjective

    – behaving or prone to behave in an untrustworthy, deceitful, or insincere way.
    – intended to mislead or cheat.

    Your argument (about the liberal Klan) was either insincere or misleading. Thus dishonest.

    A turd by another name still stinks…….

    What you just wrote is a non denial denial….. in other words spin.

  54. and then there was silence…….

    I know the euros are in bed, but you’re not Mahons.

    Do you have anything to say ?

    Those who don’t challenge you you play nice with, those that challenge your views you attack and slander.

    I did respect you, I still think you are very intelligent. As a person though there is nothing of yourself that you have shown on this site that deserves respect.

    When you joined I was excited, a Lawyer, someone trained to do research and present good arguments for their point of view. Oh my what a great addition…..

    Regretfully you have never lived up to my expectations, but you don’t need too I’m no one just another voice on a site. I am no one to you just as you are no one to me.

    You could very easily just ignore me. In the past I asked you to, and you told me no so this is as much you as it is me.

    Now the fact that I’m obnoxious and intentionally so provokes animosity. I expect this and enjoy it. When I used the Troll persona that was a large part of my goal. When it reached the point of destruction I dropped it. I even put aside my personal disgust of the IRA and took the time to develop friendships with those here that support it.

    We still argue but it doesn’t get personal, and we have had some great discussions…. but not you.

    You have stated several times that to you this is just some bullshit site, not worth getting upset over or investing any of yourself in. Although of late you have been contributing posts, some rather good ones. I’m glad to see that. I believe you care more than you show.

    To me however this site is home, it’s my favorite bar to hang out in. I consider the regulars as friends, people I would gladly break bread with or help out anyway I could. Even you and Phantom, but that’s me. I’m sure you find that pathetic.

    I can’t work anymore so I’m online 24/7 even with that Phantom is still on here more than me, and he does work. God bless him, I wish he would write more posts.

    Somewhere along the line over the past 15yrs a bane of spite and anger has developed between us. I don’t know why, I’ll take the blame for it though, because at one point we were friendly enough that when I was doing some work for the airline in NY we were going to meet for a drink. I was too busy so it didn’t happen, but we exchanged names emails and such info. Even though years later you accused me of stalking you to expose you even though you told me who you are.

    I accept that you want to be anonymous, whether I think it’s stupid or not doesn’t matter it’s your choice. Very few here use their real names. Now to me that’s a sign of shame. It says you/they are afraid to be associated with the things you/they have said.

    Well that’s your issue. You choose to be anonymous as do some of the others. I don’t. I put my name out there along with my views. I have my faults, but I have nothing to be ashamed of, I have no problem with anything I have ever said being attached to my name.

    The main reason for that is my honesty.

    I may get things wrong on occasion, but that’s all, I got it wrong. I have never LIED. I don’t need to.

    As you care that no one knows who you are, it is just as important to me not to be called a Liar when I have never lied.

    You threaten that you will have me thrown off if I expose your name because it is that important to you to remain anonymous.

    Well you calling me a Liar when I haven’t lied is just as important to me.

    My name is on here. Unlike you and others.

    If I have Lied you have every right to call me on it, except I haven’t lied and I am not dishonest in any way. You have called me a liar for years, you’ve got everyone else on here doing the same.

    You have both Libeled me and Defamed me. It must stop.

    I challenge YOU and anyone else….. show my lies.

    You can’t because they don’t exist.

    You may not like me, you may not even care one way or another about me enough to like or dislike me which you have said on occasion…. yet you care enough to continuously defame and libel me.

    Now you may think it’s funny, watch I’ll push Pat right over the edge ha ha….

    It’s not funny. It’s not amusing in anyway to a decent person.

    Mahons, on September 19th, 2019 at 10:34 PM Said:
    I and others, yourself included for years, have utilized a pen name under a respected tradition of confidentiality. Disrespect of that has occurred on a few occasions by extremely pathetic people who have sought to harm the professional reputation of people with whom they disagreed. I think threatening to do so is sufficient grounds for a ban but I will not ask for one as I know you enjoy the site. But threaten that again and I certainly will.

    See right there…. you’re pissed, you’re upset….. You called me a Liar and I threatened your anonymity…… that was your response to threaten to have me thrown off the site.

    So you can defame and libel me, but I’m the bad guy if I expose who you are. Tell me do you think you’re name is more important than mine ?

    It’s not, and you defaming it is worse than exposing who you are.

    Think about it…. be honest. You don’t want your name associated with this site. I could ask why, but I won’t. You feel if your name is out there attached with the things you say it could cause you some kind of a problem either personally or professionally, and by god I better respect that or you’ll have me thrown off the site….

    But you, you’re special. You can Libel and Defame anyone you want…. hey I put my name out there too bad. You’re anonymous and can commit slander all you want. It doesn’t matter fuck me…..

    What kind of person do you think that makes you ? A decent man ? A man of Respect ?

    No it makes you an ass. It makes you someone that relishes causing someone else grief. It gives you your little snicker of joy and satisfaction to slander me. That’s sick.

    Well I have tried to speak to you as a man. I did it in public for two reasons. 1) I had no choice, you’ve told me never to email you and I won’t and 2) I wanted everyone to hear what I had to say so that there are no questions about my anger at your constant Slander.

    So understand I will not take your Libelous Slander. My name is just as Important to me as yours is to you.

    Grow up.

    Patrick Van Roy
    Ephrata Pennsylvania.

  55. Trudeau acted in a racist and stupid manner and should drop out of the race. People should not make excuses for him. He was wrong and should not be PM.

    In addition, he has other ethical issues regarding actions on a major corporation.

    He did dome good things for his country, is a likable guy but the blackface behavior is inexcusable and disqualifying.

  56. No response Mahons ?

  57. Young people do stupid things. It’s fun to be silly, and it’s part of growing up.

    I’m glad that every stupid thing that I did as a teenager or in my 20s was not caught on tape

    My opinion of Trudeau has not changed, good and bad

    Right wingers are pretending to be offended now, just as left-wingers and professional ethnics Pretended to be offended when others wore blackface.

    It’s all part of the politics of personal destruction. I choose not to play that game.

  58. What’s blackface?

    How is this insulting to anyone?

  59. “What you just wrote is a non denial denial….. in other words spin.”

    It wasn’t. You were using dictionary definitions to try and suggest that Mahons had libeled you. I used a dictionary definition to show that he hadn’t.

    “What’s blackface?”

    It is when someone paints their face black to impersonate a black person. It was most heavily used in minstrel shows starting about 200 years ago. a) These shows showed black characters but refused to hire black actors to portray them b) the characters on the shows tended to be very unflattering depictions of black people. Many of the racist cultural depictions of black people in theatre, film and tv started with white actors wearing blackface. They tended to be stupid, lazy, sexually deviant, and where often thieves and other criminals.

    As such wearing blackface evokes that imagery and is deeply insulting to many black people.

  60. Seamus no sorry you were spinning….. I doubt Mahons will respond, and I don’t care if he does as long as he stops Libeling and Slandering me.

    Noel this is Blackface……

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIaj7FNHnjQ

  61. “Seamus no sorry you were spinning….. I doubt Mahons will respond, and I don’t care if he does as long as he stops Libeling and Slandering me.”

    Again no. You claimed Mahons said you lied (which he hadn’t). You think used the dictionary definition of lying to claim Mahons was wrong. However your use of the dictionary definition of lying was incorrectly used as Mahons never said you lied. He hinted that you were dishonest and so I put up the dictionary definition of dishonesty.

  62. Seamus this isn’t about just what he said yesterday, it’s about 15yrs of him Libeling me and committing slander.

    He has accused me of being a Liar for years, he has never produced one Lie I ever said.

    He doesn’t want his name posted to protect his reputation, yet he has defamed my reputation nonstop for over 10 years….

    Mahons is worried about anyone knowing who he is because it will damage him personally or professionally. Yet he has no problem slandering my name.

    I want it to stop.

    If he continues to defame and slander my name I will retaliate. My name is just as important to me as his is to him. If he chooses to continue to slander me I will put an end to it.

    I don’t think keeping his anonymity is an unreasonable request, neither is it unreasonable for me to demand he stop his slander.

    I can and will respect him, but only if he does the same. If he can’t respect me I can’t respect him…..

    That is fair and balanced.

  63. Al Jolson Was at the time Often called the worlds greatest entertainer

    He was of a Jewish background, born in Lithuania, did most of his growing up in New York City

    Here, he plays an Alabaman in black face

    Yes, different times , But to me this guy looks like a complete moron here

    Blackface to me is not so much offensive As it was just stupid and uncreative

  64. Jolson and the Jazz Singer was I believe the first talkie

  65. Blackface to me is not so much offensive As it was just stupid and uncreative

    I never understood the reson for it Phantom.

  66. I see, cheers.

    Was it from a time when blacks were barred from acting in mainstream movies and TV?

    I can see how it’s offensive, but it seems to be more a breach of taboo on the part of Trudeau than an insult. If it was obvious he wasn’t trying to hurt or jeer at the time, it should be forgotten.

    Patrick, you’re sailing very close to the wind there. Please drop it or you’ll be out again.

    Whether M called you a liar or not, it happened in the context of what you write here; a closed context, so to speak.

    This has no relation to anyone’s life outside this box and it’s totally offside to make such a connection.
    You have to stop obsessing about your compatriots who write here. They just post comments like everyone else.

    This is the last place anyone should come if you’re looking for respect from anyone. You seem to be desperate for some kind of recognition from the Americans, but frankly you aren’t going to get it and the best thing is to forget it and stop chasing them.

    On to more serious matters. This afternoon, just as I was at the door and ready to leave, more work came in and had to stay and thus missed the demonstration. So if the earth boils over in a few decades, you’ll know what happened.

  67. The origins of blackface minstrel shows were not in the south

    They date back to 1830, in New York City of all places

    https://nmaahc.si.edu/blog-post/blackface-birth-american-stereotype

  68. //I never understood the reson for it Phantom.//

    The more I think of it, it was pretty ugly.

    They would never had done themselves up and made a whole shtick out of being French or Arabs or any other group.

    No problem dressing up an a special ethnic on occasion, but when it becomes a routine, complete with all the paraphernalia and fixed behaviour, your are objectifying the people, in a way like the way people dress up as horses and other animals for laughs.

  69. //They date back to 1830, in New York City of all places//

    Id imagine it as a very New York vaudeville thing in the Tin Pan Alley days.

    BTW, Phantom, has you seen the Central Park Tower yet?

  70. They date back to 1830, in New York City of all places

    Interesting link. The origins of it are pretty ugly by why would someone like Al Jolson, a rockstar of his time, feel the need to blacken up?

  71. I have not seen the new very tall residential tower

    Some of those buildings are so out of context to everything that’s around them, I don’t get it

  72. Paul

    See attached

    Jolson Performed in blackface at the age of 18, before he was famous. His blackface performances were what drove his success I think

    I think that even in the 1950s or 1960s blackface was seen as something exceptionally weird and disturbing by many.

    http://www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/ajolson-blackface.htm

  73. It is said that he was the first comedian to use blackface

    He had an over the top hammy style That was popular then

  74. Blackface to me is not so much offensive As it was just stupid and uncreative

    It’s not offensive and no-one’s offended. The squealing is the culture war.

  75. My old one was a huge Jolson fan Phantom so I’m aware of his blackface performances but I could never understand the reason for them.

  76. He was a megastar of stage, radio, silent film, The first talkie

    And now there would be very few young people who would’ve heard his name

    All fame is fleeting

  77. Pete Moore is not offended by blackface, therefore nobody else is, apparently.

  78. Justin Trudeau should be politically judged on how he acts as leader of his country and the policies he pursues today not on how he dressed to attend a party as a private citizen twenty years ago.

  79. Indeed Colm……

    https://images.app.goo.gl/BoGzk7tkthmVDCyZ6

  80. We can forgive Gerry Adams for that youthful mistake 😉

  81. Patrick, you’re sailing very close to the wind there. Please drop it or you’ll be out again.

    Whether M called you a liar or not, it happened in the context of what you write here; a closed context, so to speak.

    This has no relation to anyone’s life outside this box and it’s totally offside to make such a connection.
    You have to stop obsessing about your compatriots who write here. They just post comments like everyone else.

    This is the last place anyone should come if you’re looking for respect from anyone. You seem to be desperate for some kind of recognition from the Americans, but frankly you aren’t going to get it and the best thing is to forget it and stop chasing them.

    Since you insist on inserting yourself into this Noel which is rude, but to be expected on a public forum I’ll not only discuss it with you but I’ll attempt to educate you.

    Whether M called you a liar or not, it happened in the context of what you write here; a closed context, so to speak.

    This has no relation to anyone’s life outside this box and it’s totally offside to make such a connection.

    No it isn’t just limited to this box as you call it and it does have an effect on our outside lives. If it didn’t you would all use your real names.

    The reason Mahons doesn’t want his name used is DIRECTLY due to the fact that it could effect his life outside this little box. The same with his constant Libeling of me has an effect on my name outside this little box.

    You consider this a small little club of just us, and since David stopped writing here our footprint has decreased, but 1000s of people check this site out even though they don’t comment.

    Some of Davids followers read us of which he has over 100,000. Now I’m only just getting started on the other platforms, but I already have over 1000 followers of my own.

    I post the stories from this site on other places on the web. I do commentary in other locations and I am about to expand that.

    So it does have an effect outside these pages.

    Now if you can find where I have Lied or if he can please post it. If not stop Libeling me.

    I am purposefully shocking, politically blunt, sometimes rude and obnoxious and enjoy displaying a slightly crazed hostile persona.

    I am not however dishonest in any manor and I will not tolerate being called dishonest and a liar.

    It’s a Slander that does have an effect outside these pages, if it didn’t I wouldn’t be the next to only person on here that uses their real name.

  82. I’m not getting drawn into the whole ‘show me where I have lied’ nonsense again, as it is clearly a pointless pursuit, however, I have posted my full name here a few times, and Séimí is the name most people know me by, it being a shortening of Séamus.

  83. And slander is verbally defaming someone, which is a bit difficult to achieve on a written word forum.

  84. no when you continually for a period of over 10 years call someone a Liar that is verbally defaming someone.

    You say you won’t get into the post my lie argument…. really but you’ll say I’m dishonest…. provide no proof and then say showing proof doesn’t matter… but it does.

    You call me dishonest, Noel, Dave, and Phantom do also yet I have never been dishonest, right there is proof of defamation…. You can’t find anywhere I have lied but Mahons constant repetition of that slander for ten years has created the belief that I do Lie.

    I am not asking for respect, I am not asking anyone to even be nice, I’m just saying his slander needs to stop.

  85. I’ve shown you numerous times. The person you lied about came back to confirm it. You still deny this. Like I said, a pointless pursuit.
    Have a good evening. I’ll be back later on.

  86. And it’s still not slander.

  87. I’m not commenting on the content of this conversation but want to raise a technical point.

    Slander is defaming someone’s character orally, libel is when the slander appears in written form. If Mahons has defamed you on this site he’s done it in text so legally it’s libel.

    Now, could you please check your mail as I’ve sent you a piece.

  88. I was just teaching a young person in the office this point By means of the simple mnemonic device

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    S poken

  89. wrong….. A lie is intentionally misleading someone.

    That person left because of what I said which is true, but where you and I disgree on that is the origins of the discussion….. I did not pull my comment out from years back to beat me up with another person did so I blame them for her leaving and I still do.

    Now you can bring that up a 1000 times it’s still not a lie. I blame the other person even if the person who left blames me because it was my words….. This is a difference of opinion NOT a Lie and other than that DISAGREEMENT you have nothing.

    And I still stick to my view that she left because the other person pulled my comment from years before to say that I called for the killing of children….. She can blame me all she wants I still blame the other person. The comment was from before she was on the site.

    I didn’t repost it. She left because of my words but she would never have seen those words if the other person hadn’t pulled them from years before. So no matter what she feels I feel it was the other persons fault….. That is not a Lie and my position hasn’t changed.

    You can say I’m wrong in my opinion, but being wrong is NOT A LIE.

    So now that you’ve brought that incident up AGAIN I will reiterate.

    It’s not my fault she left….. not a lie a point of view that I have in the past and just again reiterated.

  90. Yawn – pointless pursuit.

  91. it bis pointless because that one argument itself spans over 10yrs…. and I didn’t lie.

    So tell me Seimi you brought this up as usual….. she left because of what I said years before…. who brought that up ? Not me.

    She left because of my words but I didn’t re-post them…. who did ?

    In my opinion no matter what she says or you say. She left because who ever re-posted my comment showed her my words… in my book that makes it that person’s fault.

    You say that makes me a Liar….. sorry I still blame the other person whoever that was…. so it’s not a Lie.

    What else have you got ?

    NOTHING…… and you’re wrong on the argument that you continue to bring up.

    So yawn all you want the fact that I still say I’m not responsible for her leaving because whoever that other person was posted my words and that’s what caused her to leave….

    A disagreement.

  92. Now you bringing up that I called for the death of IRA supporters children because if they cheer and support the people who have killed others children then they should lose their children so the other side can cheer and support those that killed their kids….

    What’s good for one is good for the other…..

    Now that makes me a cold hearted son of a bitch….. not a Liar.

    So there does that make you feel you accomplished your task Seimi ?

    Does that portray me in a light that it makes it Ok for me to be continually Libeled ?

    You’ve done your part. You’ve brought up and displayed me at my worst…. does it feel good ? Do you think that helps Mahons ?

    It doesn’t…. it shows that you’re so desperate to cast me in the worst light you can that you once again brought this up…..

    Ok next….. who else can find something horrible I’ve said…?

    The list of horrors I’ve spewed over the past 18yrs is very long I’m sure a couple of you others can come up with some more.

    But not one of you can find a Lie.

  93. The thing is this……

    You can all weigh in with all you want, but none of it will be a lie.

    Mahons says I’m a Liar and I’m dishonest.

    That is the issue. He is Libeling me and it must stop.

    Mahons knows he’s in the wrong. If not he would defend his Libel, but he hasn’t because he can’t.

    Instead he is leaving it to all of you….. but my issue is not with any of you it’s with Mahons, and I am not going to let it go.

    I will not be Libeled by him anymore.

    He knows where I stand and so do all of you. I will say no more on the topic unless Mahons himself wants to talk about it. As far as I’m concerned everything has been said.

    The Libel must stop….. end of discussion.

  94. Jesus christ almighty, would ever just stop talking about yourself!? Just for one night!?
    I apologise to everyone else for triggering Troll again.

  95. Wholeness Exhibit a

    https://nypost.com/2019/09/20/trader-joes-removes-pictures-of-circus-elephants-from-packaging-after-peta-complaint/

    Complaining about images of circus animals in packaging

  96. He’s a bit of a snowflake

  97. Trudeau does not want to be white, or normal, but he is unable to escape his normality. He worships the gay, dresses as the hindu, native-American, negroid……

    https://twitter.com/AffirmativRight/status/1174910407409983494/photo/1

  98. That’s funny Allan you of all people accusing some one of hating being normal

  99. Seimi, on September 20th, 2019 at 9:15 PM Said:
    Jesus christ almighty, would ever just stop talking about yourself!? Just for one night!?
    I apologise to everyone else for triggering Troll again.

    Oh how nice of you……

    Seimi you achieved what you set out to achieve. Don’t apologize…. or at least spell it correctly. 😉

    No I appreciate your consistency and predictability apologizing to everyone else was a nice touch though…..

    I tire of this more than you….. there is nothing I would like more than to move on.

    That seems to be an impossibility…. this was a fight between Mahons and myself.

    Predictably Mahons has remained quiet and others have dove in with their two cents and then blamed me for their jumping in….. you gotta love it.

    If you don’t want to hear it….. don’t get involved. If you step in and give your two cents I’m going to defend myself. I will not back down.

  100. I don’t need to do anything to get you to talk about yourself. You’re your own favourite subject.
    And apologise was correctly spelled 😊

  101. another non-denial denial

  102. Where?

  103. look me an others would like to try and get the circulation of this site to increase.

    One of the keys to that is me… negative or positive.

    Now you can snicker at that all you want. There are somethings that I’m doing and that I am going to do and like it or not ATW is my home base.

    I want an end to one thing and one thing only the nonstop insistence that I am dishonest.

    If I have to relive every disagreement I’ve ever had with anyone on here to achieve that I will.

    During this thread I have not cursed any of you called you names I haven’t called any of you liars nor have I gone after anyone’s weaknesses. I repeated the most horrible thing I have ever said and I will go over anything anyone wants to rehash… get it out

    I ask everyone especially you Mahons one thing.

    Please please stop saying I am dishonest or prove where I have been dishonest.

    You are Libeling me, you are defaming my name.

    is saying put up or shut up to much to ask ?

  104. Perhaps you should ask yourself why so many people here have said over the years that they find you dishonest? Not just Mahons, or me. Lots of people have said it.
    Why do you think that is?

  105. I am asking why you think I’m dishonest… I’m asking you to provide examples of my lies….

    I should know why you think I’m dishonest…. no Seimi just the opposite.

    I know you all believe me to be dishonest because that’s what Mahons has said for over ten years…. repeat a lie enough people believe it to be true.

    YOU don’t know why you think I’m dishonest you can’t provide an example.

    If I was dishonest as so many of you think it would be easy to post some lies… yet here I wait.

    The lack of evidence should convinve you that you have been deluded…. you have nothing to point to that proves me to be dishonest.

    So tell me, if you or no one else can provide ANY proof what do you base that belief on ?

    What do any of you base it on ?

  106. I’ve already given you one example.
    Another concerned another poster who left. You said that he left because two other regulars forced him out. It was shown, conclusively, that this was not the case, yet you persisted in insisting that your version was correct, contrary to the facts. You lied, over and over about it.
    I’m actually reluctant to give you that example, because it will probably result in two or three long responses from you, where you will shift from beliigerent, angry and aggressive talk, to whining self pity about how everyone picks on you, and then on to defiant bluster, as you try and reason your way out of that one as well, like you did with the first example I gave.

  107. I can’t be arsed trying to explain this to you again. You’re deluded and totally unwilling to see your fault in this.
    I’ll leave you with this question again, and please don’t try and just blame it on someone else again.
    Why do you think a lot of people here find you to be dishonest?

  108. No Seimi you gave your favorite story of my barbarism not a Lie and I stand by my statement that the person who pulled my words from years before is responsible for her leaving…. yes she blames me because they are my words, but the person who pulled those words from years before and exposed her to them is responsible for her seeing them, not me…. who was that ?

    And that is your example….. Wow even if you consider that a lie which I disagree…

    That’s it…. that’s all you got ? Oh me oh my 1 example in 18 years of comments and posts… well shit there’s a habitual liar.. lmao

    So you’re admitting besides our disagreement which I still blame and hold fast that the other person who pulled those words from years before and placed them in front of her is the person that holds the blame…… especially since even when she saw them they were brought forth for the explicit reason to attack me in an argument that had nothing to do with those words…. damn I wish I could remember who dug them up…

    So your basis of me being a dishonest person is 1 thing that I still say isn’t a lie…. ?

    Wow you really don’t see how you just proved that I am honest do you… lol

    One….. and it ain’t even a lie. Thank You

    What you also refuse to understand Seimi is your utter failure here aside, you may have jumped into this but it has NOTHING to do with you.

    I am tired of Mahons calling me a Liar and saying I’m Dishonest.

    I will NO LONGER accept him Libeling me.

    HE has to prove I’m a Liar. He is the person that has defamed and libeled me for ten years.

    He is the one Whose Name Means Everything to…. Well so does my name to me he has 2 choices no matter what anyone else says.

    He needs to STOP saying it or prove it.

    That is Fare and that is all I ask.

    From his silence I don’t think he’ll call me a Liar or say I’m dishonest again.

    You however just want to re-argue a fight over the most horrible thing I have ever said.

  109. Allan

    I would have thought images of Trudeau behaving in a supposedly offensive racist manner would have the affect of making him suddenly a bit more appealing to you 🙂

  110. no Colm Trudeau has soiled himself by even pretending

  111. Nonsense. He has done nothing wrong. Vive la Justin Trudeau 🙂

  112. 😉