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The Grand Betrayal

By Mahons On October 7th, 2019

President Trump has shifted policy against the advise of the Department of defense and abandoned the Kurds in Syria to a military offensive by Turkey. Apparently this came after a call with the increasingly autocratic leader of Turkey. As you could imagine the usual unhinged Presidential tweets belittling the Kurds followed. It is nothing short of an abandoment of an ally who lost thousands of troops fighting beside and in front of American troops fighting ISIS. A betrayal in favor of a fickle NATO ally whose growing autocracy calls into question its position in NATO.
The Kurds are now at risk from the very people who still deny the Armenian genocide, and their sacrifices cheapened by the world’s most famous bone spurs sufferer.
Had American troops remained, even as a token buffer, Turkey would do nothing. Now, both American allies and American enemies have a taste of the Trump’s loyalty to allies. It is an important and dangerous lesson.

47 Responses to “The Grand Betrayal”

  1. This is not the first time we’ve abandoned these poor people.

    It’s a disgrace.

  2. I fully agree with you on betrayal of an ally. It is disgraceful. It shows the US has become untrustworthy. It as another good reason to be rid of this wretched administration.

  3. One thing you know about turnip, if you turn your back you will feel the knife

  4. the Kurds are getting f**ked once again, but the other side of this coin that is not being mentioned is what precipitated this.

    Last night he ordered the 1000 Special Forces we had there to come home.

  5. US Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, a close ally of the president, called the announcement a “disaster in the making”, saying he would introduce a Senate resolution opposing the decision and calling for it to be reversed

  6. The Kurds have been a really good fighting ally to the US for some time, in both Iraq and Syria

    This is the type of action that could turn them into an enemy, fast

  7. it’s a true betrayal….. this is what the third or is it the fourth time we’ve abandoned these people ?

  8. It just doesn’t bear thinking about how these unfortunate people, after the desperate courage they showed and the enormous sacrifices they made fighting probably the most evil groups on the planet, are now being left to the tender mercies of the Turks.

    Let’s hope someone, anyone, steps in to help them.

  9. If the US has turned their back, I’d have a hard time seeing anybody else stepping up to help them

    The Iraqi government will probably be delighted To see the Kurds punished

    The Israelis will likely be sympathetic to the Kurds, but they’re not going to get involved

  10. The Kurds have not had it easy since WW1, which is an understatement. But the abandonment here is the most egregious.

  11. //The Israelis will likely be sympathetic to the Kurds, but they’re not going to get involved//

    Now that you mention it, it would be an excellent opportunity for the Israelis to gain a few kudos for once. Obviously they can’t be expected to commit troops, but airstrikes could at least hinder the Turks, and supplies – Israel must have tons of surplus systems what with all that military aid it gets from the US every year – help the Kurds defend themselves.

  12. This betrayal would have to be extremely disturbing to many Israelis

    The Israelis had provided training to the Peshmerga

  13. Under Erdogan, Turkey has become a kind of enemy to Israel

    But Israel won’t want to cross the US government on this

  14. //But Israel won’t want to cross the US government on this//

    I don’t think even the US govt is against them being helped, just that it doesn’t want to be involved.


    “We do get along great with the Kurds. Don’t forget, that’s their territory.
    We have to help them. I want to help them…They fought with us. They died with us.”

    Trump at the United Nations just one year ago.

  15. There is no way Israel would 1) take an open stance against a NATO member and 2) do anything remotely embarrassing to Trump.

  16. President Pontius Pilate

  17. Noel – Trump could have said that yesterday and there is no one who would be shocked if he still did what he did.

  18. “They fought with us. They died with us.” So to hell with them

  19. trump is going to get the moniker of genocide-enabler to add to his abysmal record
    Iraqis and Turks and Syrian will make a play for it – squeeze the Kurds
    Even bomb-anyone Bolton was a fan of the Kurds, just shows how wrong this decision is .

  20. Even our blatant self interest couldn’t sway him. The Kurds are sitting on something like 90000 ISIS prisoners. What happens if the Kurds decide holding them is no longer a priority.

  21. Nicky Haley just stated this means leaving “allies to die”. Pretty strong language from a former member of the Administration.

  22. Good for her

    I want to see if anyone supports this very wrong action

  23. Dispicable act of treachery.

  24. good for Nicky Haley.

    This move can’t be defended, nor should it be. Wrong is wrong, and this is just wrong.

  25. Logged in to see how Patrick would defend this.

    Glad to be wrong.

    Now, where’s Pete?

  26. Logged in to see how Patrick would defend this.

    Glad to be wrong.

    Now, where’s Pete?

  27. Yes, credit where credit is due. Well said Pat.

  28. Now I see the linkage…….


    Europe may soon face a massive inflow of refugees and migrants that will be even bigger than at the peak of the infamous crisis, Germany’s Interior Minister Horst Seehofer has warned, urging to assist Greece and Turkey.

    “We must do more to help our European partners with controls on the EU external borders. We have left them alone for too long,” the minister told German Bild am Sonntag newspaper in the wake of his visit to Greece and Turkey, where he also discussed migration policies.

    The Syria shit is abating and departees are being asked to return. What is about to happen is that Erdogan is going to empty the Kurds into Europe. And Africans fleeing Kurdistan will be joining in hundreds of thousands, by some means or other


    Gallup World Poll surveys find people’s desire to migrate permanently to another country actually increased between 2015 and 2017. Gallup’s surveys throughout this period found 15% of the world’s adults — or more than 750 million people — saying they would like to move to another country if they had the opportunity.

    That’s because their own countries are shit-holes and no place for aspiring fizzy-cysts

  29. Well done Don and Erdogan:


  30. It worked out so well for Germany last time round – nobody could have foreseen that a hi-tech crippled would be crippled by low-IQ invaders:


    At least 40% of all welfare claimants in Germany are nonwhite invaders pretending to be refugees—costing German taxpayers over €4 billion every month to support at least 2.7 million spongers, new official statistics have revealed.

  31. crippled country

  32. Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened Europe with a flood of refugees if the continent’s leaders call the Turkish invasion of Syria an “occupation” during a speech to local lawmakers Thursday.

    “We will open the gates and send 3.6 million refugees your way,” Erdogan said, according to Reuters, while speaking to officials from his ruling AK Party.

    This is the guy who Trump knuckled under to. ( CNBC )

    The betrayal of the Kurds will have many bad consequences, entirely unforseen by an clueless president who doesn’t listen to anybody

  33. He didn’t knuckle under….. this is all Trumps fault.

    He was going along with his campaign promise…. Bring our Troops Home.

    His lack of experience had him trust Erdogan. He is after all the Leader of a NATO country supposedly an Ally.

    Trump thought this action would be a plus, it’s a total F**k up of Trumps own making.

    Hopefully Erdogan’s statements and action will be noticed by the OTHER NATO nations…. not that they will lift a finger to do anything about it.

  34. I think that Erdogan is a very bad guy. Under his reign, Turkey played footsie with ISIS, they left that southern border open for trade with ISIS.

    The Turkish / Ottoman military has an unbroken record of oppression and genocide against Kurds, Greeks, Armenians.

    The past 18 years have been bad. Now, the next 18 years are likely to be worse.

    The big winners are Turkey and ISIS.

  35. And they bought and a weapon system from and are sharing NATO info with Russia.

  36. Yes.

    The improved Russia – Turkey relationship should be of greatest concern to all in the west.

  37. And as many here will be agree – Turkey should no longer be seen as part of the west.

    They’re not an ally, they’re not a friend to any of us.

  38. As said in the media, it is very possible that the honorable and brave Kurds / Peshmerga may now have to cut a deal with Assad.

    What other choice do they have?

  39. Has Hannity or Limbaugh criticized Trump’s decision here?

    Michael Savage has been very critical of it, he had a Kurdish guest on yesterday.


    Might be time to pay more attention to Kurdish sites such as this


  40. Does the profound weirdness of Trump observing the Kurds did not assist us on D-Day as an excuse bother any Trump supporter?

  41. Did the Kurds help the US in Vietnam?

  42. We are passengers in a plane where the pilot has no idea how planes work.

  43. https://www.axios.com/ukraine-whistleblower-democratic-candidate-97f7c17d-701a-4292-9c01-93bda6536bc5.html

  44. “Some type of professional relationship” can cover a multitude of things. Joe Biden was Vice President of the United States. If a person briefs the President and Vice President then that person would have “some type of professional relationship” with Joe Biden.

    Senator Cory Booker serves on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, as well as being on several Foreign Relations subcommittees (including one where he is the ranking member). If the whistleblower briefed the committee then that person would have “some type of professional relationship” with Cory Booker.

    Tulsi Gabbard previously sat on the House Foreign Relations Committee. If the whistleblower briefed the committee then that person would have “some type of professional relationship” with Tulsi Gabbard.

    Beto O’Rourke previously sat on the House Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities. If the whistleblower briefed the committee then that person would have “some type of professional relationship” with Beto O’Rourke.

    Senators Kamala Harris and Michael Bennet serve on the Senate Intelligence Committee. If the whistleblower briefs the Intelligence Committee then he would have “some type of professional relationship” with Kamala Harris and Michael Bennet.

    And that is the potential cross points from a 5 minute look. I’m sure I can find more.

  45. Patrick this is about the Kurds. Could you refrain from OT comments?

  46. Trump’s friends the Turks have bombed close to a US troop position.

    They have no respect at all for the weakling that they cut the deal with.

  47. Mahons, in fairness, there are even more bizaree OT comments from Allan above.