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ATW OPEN THREAD

By Pete Moore On October 12th, 2019

Busy times here in Wessex. A lot of cooking has been done, the fridge-freezer is groaning and all is good. Tonight is Vetrnætr according to the pagan Norse calendar. It translates as Winter Nights. They only recognised summer and winter, so tonight was a herald of the dark times to come. The colours have turned out there. Autumn is the most beautiful season. Have yourselves an Open Thread then. This one is decorated with a Welsh tearoom which looks the part.

Tell us what you know –

53 Responses to “ATW OPEN THREAD”

  1. Incredible picture. Hard to believe the colours are for real.

  2. I’m guessing it’s in Wales Pete, I think I’ve seen it before.

  3. Peter

    The clue is in Pete’s mention of it being a Welsh tearoom… 🙂

  4. Duh!

  5. Anyway, I think it’s the River Wye.

  6. I’m waiting for a cunning tory to press release:
    “We voted BRExit to take Britain out of EU, not UKexit
    That’s why we’ve negotiated a special status for NI, who are part of the UK not GB
    and they will remain in a customs union with the EU to avoid a hard border in Ireland”
    This is great news for great britain, we are comiong out on 31st October
    Of course we will always have a special relationship with our friends and partners in the Northern Part of Ireland – so-called Northern Ireland” 😉

  7. One thing is sure – Northern Ireland must remain fully part of the UK customs union and Boris Johnson knows it very well

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-50030001

    The DUP will do what they’re told to do.

  8. The DUP will do what they’re told to do.

    Yes Paul

    As someone here (ahem) predicted a while ago, the DUP will learn the hard way the truth of the old saying: “Never trust the Tories”.

    There was an opinion piece this week in the Daily Torygraph which pointed out that Northern Ireland costs the UK more than the annual sub to the EU and that it should not be allowed to prevent Brexit. Be 100% sure that Johnson has read and understood that message. And that the DUP have done the same. But they are now a busted flush in Parliament. The word is that Johnson’s deal, if it emerges, will be passed. The threat by Nissan this week to close its car factory will have exercised many MPs (both Tory and Labour) who voted against May’s deal. Johnson’s deal will look remarkably similar, but it will pass.

  9. Here’s an chat with Morgoth appearing on Red Ice TV, the main item of discussion being the Extinction Rebellion psy-op. At 18.24 they take a look at the loonies on the streets of London through a tweet – and the ‘tweeter’ is none other than ATW’s custodian, David Vance – “there aren’t enough psychiatrists about to deal with this mob”:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPoKCjNP_Ho

  10. Pete

    //A lot of cooking has been done, the fridge-freezer is groaning and all is good.//

    I’ve been doing a lot of home cooking myself as I’ve pretty much stopped buying ready meals and I’ve given up sugar as best I can. I’ll be making my own bread and sugar free biscuits, as well as stock in the freezer with pretty healthy homemade meals.
    I miss the sugar but I do feel a lot better for it and I’ve lost even more weight.

  11. Nice one posting a picture of one of my favourite places in North Wales.

  12. Allan

    Yes, but the ice is melting and sea levels are rising at an accelerating rate. The IPCC projection in 2012 was that the Arctic Ocean would be ice-free by 2080, but they are now saying that it could be 2030. That’s a scary prospect, even for the most avid climate liars like Trump.

    So it’s fine to sneer at the XR protestors, but maybe you should try engaging with the science which propels them and the economics of net zero carbon emissions. That would be much more credible, eg that we cannot realistically get to net zero before 2040 instead of the 2025 that they are demanding. But let’s just accept that we need to get to net zero just as soon as ever possible and start arguing about the details.

  13. Peter.

    You’re not trying to use facts, logic and reason with Allan there are you?

  14. Beautiful picturesque vista… wasted on the Welsh 🙂

  15. So it’s fine to sneer at the XR protestors, but maybe you should try engaging with the science which propels them and the economics of net zero carbon emissions.

    No – let’s take a look at the idiots first, for we know that the ‘science’ is as bought-and-paid-for as the idiots as seen at 37.25 in the link at 11.47pm:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7566515/Extinction-Rebellion-files-reveal-climate-zealots-paid-400-week.html

    How Extinction Rebellion climate change zealots – including a baronet’s Cambridge-educated granddaughter – are paid £400 a week to bring mayhem to our streets

    Extinction Rebellion activists are being paid up to £400-a-week to lead protests
    Activists have been paid more than £200,000 since the start of the scheme
    The eco-protest group privately fears it could face six-figure tax bill from HMRC
    Tory MP calls on HMRC to launch an investigation into the group’s tax affairs

    A document dated August 13, 2019 addresses the fear that HMRC is likely to ‘crawl all over us’ and that in ‘the worst case scenario’ the sum payable, including fines, is ‘probably in the range £150,000 to £200,000’. Plans have been drawn up to remind volunteers that they are responsible for their own tax affairs.

    It is not yet clear whether XR have contacted HMRC to admit their concerns or whether the taxman has moved to recover any tax that may be due from XR.

    Last night, Tory MP David Davies called for an immediate investigation, saying: ‘It is utterly outrageous if Extinction Rebellion is not paying its fair share of tax.

    ‘These self-appointed, holier- than-thou guardians of the planet may think they are somehow above the law but they are not. What’s needed now is a root-and-branch investigation of how this organisation operates, starting with an immediate inquiry into its tax affairs. I shall be writing to HMRC tomorrow to demand nothing less.’

    LET THEM EAT TAX 🙂

  16. Most of the thousands of activists who brought chaos to London last week were unpaid volunteers, but a select number are claiming the funds which enable them to dedicate their efforts to the protest group, also known as XR

    So, XR have paid 168 activists a maximum of up to £400 a week living expenses for volunteering with the campaign which could be taxed if it’s deemed to be payment for work done on XR’s behalf.

    Yeah, good luck proving that one.

    The Nigel Farage show on LBC earlier had a XR representative on earler who explained that the camapaign is funded by GoFundMe and that some of their volunteer activists are paid a maximum quantity of expenses for costs incurred by their volunteers when partaking in campaign activities, (which is the case with many charities & NGOs).

    Sorry, bad luck with the Deep State, George Soros, Common Purpose hidden hand insinuation.

  17. I look at that Cottage and it looks beautiful.

    Then my mind immediately starts to calculate the Damage to the brick, stone and mortar the roots of all vegetation is doing to that structure.

  18. Never mind the damage, think of the size of the spiders you get coming inside that property with all that vegetation on the outside.

  19. The parents of dead teenager Harry Dunn are flying to the US to publicly highlight the circumstances of his death:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-50033744

    It’ll be interesting to see if and what the reaction is.

  20. I was just listening to the news while I was working, and they are now saying that the diplomat’s wife does not have diplomatic immunity after all.

  21. It’s a technical situation Dave.

    DI doesn’t apply to her now that she’s back in the US but the question is can she be be extradited back to the UK for an offence when DI presumably applied or can she be tried in the US for an alleged offence in a foreign jurisdiction where DI could presumably be retrospectively applied?

  22. It’s probably unclear, as many things are

    But she should not have left

    And the US administration should not have said that diplomatic immunity applies here

  23. Insofar as I understand she was subject to investigation prior to any actual charges being proferred against her and think that the doctrine of DI is being insidiously applied here.

    As said previously, what she has done may not be illegal but it’s certainly not just and I would think that anyone with an inherent sense of human decency would see that.

  24. It is sneaky action on her part and on the part of the US

    I understand that she would have been afraid but she still did a wrong thing when she told the police that she would not leave and afterward snuck away

  25. In complete agreement Phantom.

  26. they are now saying that the diplomat’s wife does not have diplomatic immunity after all.

    Even if that’s correct there is no doubt that she is home free. The chances of a successful extradtion are precisely 0%. The only justice that the family can hope for is civil liability. Presumably she was insured to drive even if she forgot that we drive on the left. And if insurance is not available the family should sue her ass off in the USA.

  27. It’s a bit odd that while she says she’d love to meet the victim’s family, his mother has to travel to the US to meet her. There are other countries that would be easier for the mother and where she wouldn’t be in danger of facing a trial.

  28. The accident happened in the UK. The UK has the only proper jurisdiction

    She would be expected to have been covered by auto liability there ( And auto liability in the UK has an uncapped limit of liability )

    Any case in the US should be thrown out of court.

  29. Auto liability – insurance – in the UK has an uncapped limit

  30. Any case in the US should be thrown out of court.

    Why is that Phantom?

    If I set your car on fire in NYC and flee to the UK would you not be able to sue me in the UK?

  31. I suspect she wants to meet the dead young man’s family in an attempt to assuage her guilty conscience. If I were a parent of the young man I’d consider that as adding insult to injury.

  32. She should be fully insured in the UK. She can be sued in absentia Her insurance likely has no restrictions on the limit that can be paid

    Thers is no point to sue in the US unless the goal is persecution or taking advantage of a kooky US legal system

  33. She should be fully insured in the UK. She can be sued in absentia Her insurance likely has no restrictions on the limit that can be paid

    If she can’t be extradited why should other car drivers be penalised? Their premuims will rise to pay for it.

    The Tory government would have to be persuaded, I suspect, to request extradition. It’s the kind of thing a politician wishes is on someone else’s desk. But if extradition is requested and blocked then the Home Office ought to remember that the next time such a request is received here. Then all US personnel in the UK can be denied the right to drive.

    She killed someone.

  34. All drivers in fatal accidents “ killed someone “

  35. She should be fully insured in the UK. She can be sued in absentia Her insurance likely has no restrictions on the limit that can be paid

    Thers is no point to sue in the US unless the goal is persecution or taking advantage of a kooky US legal system

    What makes you think that the parents of the dead young man would expect financial compensation to be a sufficient remedy?

  36. Financial compensation is all that a civil court can give you, counselor

  37. Well said Pete. I’ll be astonished if an extradition request is filed. It would require Johnson’s support and we all know that he is Trump’s toady.

  38. Who’s speaking about a civil court? As she fled before the jurisdiction before the investigation was concluded how should we know if criminal charges weren’t approriate?

    You really should keep your snide condescension in check.

  39. All drivers in fatal accidents “ killed someone “

    Usually they answer for their actions in a court.

    Why is this woman special?

  40. I don’t think that she can be tried criminally for an auto accident in England, counselor

    And the proper jurisdiction for civil litigation- which sounds proper – is where the accident happened

    Liability tourism should be discouraged

  41. I don’t think that she can be tried criminally for an auto accident in England, counselor

    You don’t know and neither do I, as the investigation wasn’t concluded before she fled the jurisdiction.

    As I said, you should keep that snideyness in check.

  42. A criminal lawsuit in the US won’t happen

    The concept is beyond preposterous

  43. I don’t think anything will happen in the US.

    But of course, that wasn’t what I was referring to, as my comment about her fleeing the jurisdiction before us knowing if criminal charges were appropriate showed.

  44. If she is covered by DI there will be no civil or criminal prosecution. It sounds like wishful thinking on the part of the UK foreign office that it isn’t pertinent.

  45. It seems that she’s now back in the US DI is no longer applicable Mahons:

    It’s a technical situation Dave.

    DI doesn’t apply to her now that she’s back in the US but the question is can she be be extradited back to the UK for an offence when DI presumably applied or can she be tried in the US for an alleged offence in a foreign jurisdiction where DI could presumably be retrospectively applied?

  46. If she could be extradited that would make DI meaningless

    Lot of crazy talk on this

  47. It doesn’t matter if diplomatic immunity applies now. What matters was did it apply at the time of the accident.

  48. Lot of crazy talk on this

    There are two elements to this:

    The question is can she be be extradited back to the UK for an offence when DI presumably applied or can she be tried in the US for an alleged offence in a foreign jurisdiction where DI could presumably be retrospectively applied?

    As you can see it’s also a question as opposed to an affirmation that she can.

  49. Paul – um, no. That is a position the British Foreign office is announcing, and not one which has a basis in law. People should recall that the British Foreign office agreed, no doubt reluctantly, but in observation of the letter of the law. It has only since this became a tabloid story that they have been grasping for straws.

  50. Ok, let’s take it as two questions. The answers are no and no. If DI was waived, and unlikely scenario, then possibly.

  51. I haven’t bothered checking the legislative effect of it Mahons but have taken the application of DI at face value at what’s being said in the article.

    That’s why it’s a discussion as opposed to any definitive assertion.

  52. At last a major UK political party gets real on drugs:

    “The SNP has backed decriminalising the possession and consumption of drugs. At its conference in Aberdeen, a resolution was unanimously passed by delegates branding current drug control legislation “not fit for purpose”. And they called for powers to be devolved to Holyrood to enable the “decriminalisation of possession and consumption of controlled drugs”. The Scottish government has set up a taskforce to tackle drug deaths, which hit a record high in 2018. There were 1,187 drug-related deaths in Scotland in 2018, by far the highest total in the European Union and three times that of the UK as a whole.

    Existing drugs legislation – covered by the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 – is reserved to Westminster. This has led to a standoff between the two governments over policy, with the Home Office refusing to give permission for a trial of “safe consumption rooms” for drugs in Glasgow. The SNP has repeatedly called for drugs control to be devolved to Holyrood, and the party’s official policy is now to use these powers – if they are ever handed to Holyrood – to decriminalise drugs.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50036173

  53. Hard drugs are completely hateful to me, but this is generally The best, direction to turn.

    Learn from Portugal

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