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Trump campaign to sue CNN

By Patrick Van Roy On October 18th, 2019

The Project Veritas has exposed CNN is not interested in the NEWS. They are ONLY interested in damaging the President Donald Trump. It has visual and audio recordings of Jeff Zucker saying these things and ordering the “News Directors” to ignore the News and concentrate on nothing but pushing the fake spin against the President.

As a Company CNN is allowed to say whatever it wants. However not as News Corporation, as a NewsCorp you get special protections under the Law. These tapes prove that CNN under Jeff Zucker has no interest in the News only interest in smearing Trump. With video and audio tape that show they are not interested in News only smearing Trump you lose those protections.  They are about to be taken to court and sued Civilly.

200 Responses to “Trump campaign to sue CNN”

  1. What grounds are the being sued under?

  2. As Maher says, Trump is a ” whiny little bitch ”

    Truer words never spoken by any person at any time.

  3. In the US, most people never watch CNN.

    Their ratings are well below both Fox News and MSNBC. ( most people don’t watch them either )

    What is this post trying to accomplish? Why the endless whining by these Trumpers?

  4. What court in the US would take anything from Veritas seriously? James O’Keefe is a proven trickster.

  5. CNN is the press. They are protected by the First Amendment. Just as Fox News is.

    Stop the endless whining.

  6. I’d love to know what the basis for this alleged civil action against a commercial TV channel is.

  7. Paul

    They’re a pack of damned sissies.

    https://www.mediamatters.org/james-okeefe/updated-lies-james-okeefe

  8. The only proper civil action against the press is if there are allegations of libel and slander.

    And the US press is given broad latitude on those things as respects public figures.

    This isn’t new. Except to the thin skinned lawsuit happy Trump and the weak figures who worship him.

  9. The Project Veritas has exposed CNN is not interested in the NEWS. They are ONLY interested in damaging the President Donald Trump.

    The Dems should watch this closely, because it will give them a template to sue Fox “News” which as we all know is not a news channel but a right-wing political propaganda crusade. Full of lies and full of shit.

  10. Even if CNN wanted to say ” Trump is the worst guy who ever lived ” a hundred times an hour, they would be allowed to do so.

    These guys don’t know this though

  11. Does CNN ever make any claims to impartiality? If so, then CNN should have its news program preceded and interspersed by notifications to the effect that ‘this news program is biased’. If not, then the same. There’s nothing wrong with CNN being biased against Trump but its content should carry that caveat.

    Fox News, as far as I’m aware, only has two broadcasters who are pro-Trump, whilst the rest are neutral or anti-.

  12. CNN should say what they wish without any notifications. Same with Fox.

    The Fox evening prime time stars are shills for Trump – Hannity, Carlson, Ingraham.

  13. The Fox evening prime time stars are shills for Trump – Hannity, Carlson, Ingraham.

    I had ticked the first two – but there’s apparently three. How about the rest of Fox?

    If CNN claims impartiality then there should be notifications. In any professional field, sources that may impinge on impartiality must be declared – so why not on TV news? Alternatively, if a right of reply is acknowledged, then that works. What was the requirement for impartiality that was recently ended?

  14. Allan

    Please give the names of the “anti-Trump” presenters at Fox that you refer to.

  15. Lou Dobbs, Mark Levin, Pete Hegset, Brian Kilmeade, Gregg Jarret are all Trumpies on Fox. But so what? They are entitled to spread falsehoods under the First Amendment. Fox has some actual journalists as well.
    The Veritas Saga is bs, videos for the easily fooled or for those who don’t feel the need to be credible when making arguments. Like Yrump.

  16. The films speak for themselves and in a civil suit would be taken very seriously.

    Lets look at this statement shall we…..

    What is this post trying to accomplish? Why the endless whining by these Trumpers?

    The point this Post is trying to show you is how …… now I could be nice or not… not

    How STUPID most of you are….

    You have been treated over the last week of Zucker and a large amount of his own employees admitting that they are not interested in reporting the news that the Head of the Company has directed all of his people to run nothing but the most negative stuff it can against the President to help keep the focus on nothing but Impeachment.

    That and that alone is the priority as stated in the video over plane crashes everything. Impeach Trump stories will be their coverage no matter other events in the news. Zucker himself is heard on several tapes on his daily phone calls leading a personal vendetta even pushing things he admits he knows have no credibility.

    CNN like the NYTs lead the other “News Agencies” the set the line and agenda CNN sets it not only for the US it sets the American perspective for the Foreign Audiences which all follow CNN Int for their take of events in America.

    None of you especially those in the Bubble have even bothered to watch them. See no evil, hear no evil, be an illinformed idiot.

    If even when confronted by people telling you they are promoting an agenda and NOT News and you purposefully shut it out because it may make you question everything you’ve been told for 3 years…. God forbid we can’t have that….

    You’ve been lied to, you’ve been shown firsthand you’ve been lied to yet you don’t question the judgement you’ve reached with false information….

    Well in my book that is a description of a fool.

    Most people when shown the truth about things the believed being lies may not admit that they have been fooled. They can’t bring themselves to admit that they came to the wrong conclusions because they were given false information.

    False information and personal hate is all that you have.

    Mueller Report found nothing.

    Espionage investigation found nothing.

    Ukraine phone transcript proves nothing.

    Yet he’s guilty, he must be impeached…..

    but he’s guilty I know it’s true the “News” told me so……

    And if this was against Obama I would say the same. I never said he wasn’t American. I knew he was because of the evidence.

  17. Then CNN should have its news program preceded and interspersed by notifications to the effect that ‘this news program is biased’.

    Speech isn’t free after all? Who should precede and interspace these announcements?

    Can we also have advisory announcements about newspapers and internet sites too?

  18. Mahons, on October 18th, 2019 at 10:01 PM Said: Edit Comment

    The Veritas Saga is bs, videos for the easily fooled or for those who don’t feel the need to be credible when making arguments. Like Yrump.

    So Mahons people recorded candidly in their own words mean nothing it’s BullShit…. Oh Ok

  19. You guys keep saying that the MSM is dead. You’ve been saying it for at least ten years.

    Yet now you say that the MSM is so terribly awfully powerful.

    Make up your mind and stop talking of frivolous lawsuits.

  20. Patrick – yes, glad you agree.

  21. Peter, on October 18th, 2019 at 9:56 PM Said:

    Allan

    Please give the names of the “anti-Trump” presenters at Fox that you refer to.

    Peter – I don’t know which is why I asked the question. I do know that Carlson, by being definitely anti-Dem is by default pro-Trump, and very effectively so.

    On the other hand, are there any presenters anywhere else in US television news who are effectively pro-Trump? Anybody, anywhere, outside of Fox?

  22. Peter – I don’t know which is why I asked the question.

    Thanks Allan. So there are none, as I thought.

  23. There’s another entire station that is pro Trump, more than Fox is if you can believe

    https://www.oann.com/

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/jun/15/oan-oann-fox-news-donald-trump

    Most media is down the middle, or strive to be down the unbiased.

    Fox and OAN are mostly biased pro Trump, CNN and MSNBC are unfriendly to him.

    But CNN will take a jab at Democrats more often than Fox will go against the Republicans

  24. And don’t forget them

    https://www.vox.com/2018/4/3/17180020/sinclair-broadcast-group-conservative-trump-david-smith-local-news-tv-affiliate

    This month, the 193 local TV affiliates owned by the Sinclair Broadcast Group began running a series of promotional segments, warning of a scourge of “fake news” promoted by “members of the media [who] use their platforms to push their own personal bias and agenda to control ‘exactly what people think.’”

    The segments, which echo the Trump administration’s anti-media rhetoric, are eerily uniform across all Sinclair affiliates, so much so that Deadspin’s Timothy Burke was able to edit them together into a supercut showing dozens of Sinclair anchors saying the exact same words.

    ( 2018 )

  25. And large numbers of radio stations play Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Prager, Levin and many other right wing pro Trump hosts.

    For some reason, radio has worked great for right wing talkers, not so much for the lefties.

  26. Ouch!

  27. Peter, on October 18th, 2019 at 10:37 PM Said:

    Peter – I don’t know which is why I asked the question.

    Thanks Allan. So there are none, as I thought.

    Peter – I don’t have a TV so I don’t know. There are Americans here so they could answer the question.

    On Fox News, is there anybody who is anti-Trump/pro-Dem?

    On the other hand, are there any presenters anywhere else in US television news who are effectively pro-Trump? Anybody, anywhere, outside of Fox? I’m not asking about talk-radio but the ‘mainstream’ TV such as MSNBC, ABC etc – anybody who is pro-Trump?

  28. //The point this Post is trying to show you is how …… How STUPID most of you are…//

    That’s not a smart thing to say Pat

    Also I think i can see why you have such difficult with the word “Lies” or being called a “Liar. You claim above that we’ve all been lied to by CNN
    This is wrong thinking, because most of us know CNN has a left wing slant, so I for one have my eyes open.

    What’s more serious is for example, you defending the lies Trump tells.
    Because its Trump you don’t see any lies, in fact you claim he is an honest guy
    have read you state that many times.

    Conclusion: You’re in a muddle and consider fake news to be Truth, and any actual factual provable lies told by Trump/Rudy etc you regard as not being lies. You’ve lost your powers of discernment vis-a-vis something as sacred as Truth.

    Its a bad place to be mo chara, no easy way back for you either !!

  29. I think most journalists are anti lies and anti corruption which is why they tend to be anti Trump.

  30. Peter – I don’t have a TV so I don’t know.

    If you don’t know then don’t claim it. And you don’t need a TV to watch TV any more, as I’m sure you know.

  31. The NYT busted the chops of both Clintons and it was the media source that first reported the Whitewater and Uranium One stories.

    Let me know the next time Fox News breaks a story that causes heartbreak to Donald.

  32. Let me know the next time Fox News breaks a story that causes heartbreak to Donald.

    Their opinion poll last week that showed a majority of Americans in favour of impeachment caused a predictable Twitter tantrum from the man-child in the White House. I have a hunch that there will be no more unfavourable Fox polls between now and November 2020.

  33. Point taken, but I speak about investigative reporting that causes heartburn.

    You don’t see much or any of that on Fox, just the same old politics based complaining, mostly. ( and some good interviews by Chris Wallace )

    There’s no Fox equivalent to the 60 Minutes show, there is no Fox equivalent to the strong international reporting that you see on BBC World every day

  34. Mahons, on October 18th, 2019 at 10:28 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Patrick – yes, glad you agree.

    60 Min made it their main feature for over a decade doing the same thing… won all sorts of awards. You don’t like when it’s done to our party or the people that you trust… lmao

  35. 60 Minutes is still a good show

  36. I speak about investigative reporting that causes heartburn.

    You don’t see much or any of that on Fox, just the same old politics based complaining, mostly. ( and some good interviews by Chris Wallace )

    Another example of just ignorance…. Gregg Garret, Sara Carter and John Solomon are investigative journalists… They have all done in depth research into the framing of Donald Trump….

    so therefore they are not investigative journalists in your view because the evidence that they have uncovered shows you to be a fool.

  37. Mahons, on October 18th, 2019 at 11:27 PM Said: Edit Comment
    I think most journalists are anti lies and anti corruption which is why they tend to be anti Trump.

    Another statement that shows no interest in fact… Trump Bad…..

  38. kurt, on October 18th, 2019 at 11:17 PM Said: Edit Comment
    //The point this Post is trying to show you is how …… How STUPID most of you are…//

    That’s not a smart thing to say Pat

    Why’s that Kurt if it’s proven that you’re being lied to by the peoples own words and you still believe them…. well you are stupid.

  39. What’s more serious is for example, you defending the lies Trump tells.

    You can’t name a single lie he’s been caught in….. please try.

  40. For some reason, radio has worked great for right wing talkers, not so much for the lefties.

    That’s because people turn on the radio for music, sports and news not fairy tales.

    Leftists can’t make it on radio because the lack consistency, core values, and integrity.

  41. hundreds of thousands of lies Pat, all documented and verified
    start here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump

    Its how many 100’s per month we’re talking about :

    Trump began 2018 on a similar pace as last year. Through May, he generally averaged about 200 to 250 false claims a month. But his rate suddenly exploded in June, when he topped 500 falsehoods, as he appeared to shift to campaign mode. He uttered almost 500 more in both July and August, almost 600 in September, more than 1,200 in October and almost 900 in November. In December, Trump drifted back to the mid-200s

    straight back at ya, eat yer own words

    //Why’s that Kurt if it’s proven that you’re being lied to by the peoples own words and you still believe them…. well you are stupid.//

  42. You can’t name a single lie he’s been caught in….. please try.

    Are you ***ing kidding? You are a shameless GOP Trump Groupie if you really believe that. The schmuck lies every time he opens his foul mouth.

    Have some self-respect Patrick.

  43. here’s one fer starters, one of the most famous lies he’s told
    You going to defend that one pat ?

    Trump’s presidency began with a series of falsehoods originated by Trump himself. The day after his inauguration, he falsely accused the media of lying about the size of the inauguration crowd. Then he exaggerated the size, and White House press secretary Sean Spicer backed up his claims.[85][86][87][88] When Spicer was accused of intentionally misstating the figures,[89][90][91] Kellyanne Conway, in an interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd, defended Spicer by stating that he merely presented “alternative facts”.[92] Todd responded by saying, “Alternative facts are not facts; they’re falsehoods.”[93]

  44. Can you name any mountains that are in Switzerland or Colorado?

    I think that reports of any skiing in those places is fake news.

  45. Patrick – even you could name lies he has been caught in

  46. Facts are Facts

    The counter espionage investigation into the Trump campaign found nothing, The Mueller Special counsel found nothing. (Ken Star found 11 Felonies Bill committed) The Ukraine phonecall shows no quid pro quo or arm twisting.

    Those are all facts… Zucker commanding his agency to ignore news and concentrate on nothing but getting Trump impeached is a fact.

    You choose to ignore these things, that is the choice you have made. You’ve decided that no matter the lack of evidence to do so nor the fact that the economy is booming you have CHOSEN to convince yourself that Trump is evil and must be impeached.

    My candidate was Ted Cruz I pushed for him. I campaigned for him and he lost to Donald Trump who said some pretty shitty things about him his father etc etc

    Yet I voted for Trump because he was running against Hillary. Plain and Simple.

    Since he has been in office he has been under investigation I stated here multiple times if they find anything I’ll handout the Pitchforks and Torches. 3yrs of investigation found nothing…. Mueller brought NO CHARGES.

    Now the Speaker of the House 3rd in line for the Presidency has created a fake impeachment investigation she has made accusations against both the President and Vice President… the only two people above her.

    She has done so Personally.

    The House has the Power to Impeach NOT the Speaker. (because she is 3rd inline) The Supreme Court has ruled in previous Impeachments that the President of the United States must be granted in ALL ASPECTS OF THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS DUE PROCESS. That includes the preliminary investigations.

    Those RULES that assign subpoena power equally to both the majority and MINORITY Leaders of the House takes place AFTER the FULL HOUSE VOTES.

    If you’re comfortable with a hearing to remove a President from office be held in secret, if you’re comfortable with the accused not having representation, not allowed to cross examine witnesses, not even being allowed to read a transcript of what his accusers have said……

    You’re not an American and you don’t deserve to be one.

  47. “ Rafael Cruz may well Have been involved in the JFK assassination “

    “ Barak Obama was not born in the United States . I am sending two investigators to Hawaii to prove it “

  48. Pat,

    You can’t name a single lie he’s been caught in….. please try.

    The numbers at Trumps inauguration – lets take just 1 out of 100,000 example

    Was Trump telling Lies ?

  49. Leftists can’t make it on radio because the lack consistency, core values, and integrity.

    LOL

    And of course Liar Trump has all of those virtues. No woman has ever accused him of being unfaithful or sexual assault. And no-one has ever accused him of lying. And the Kurds will swear to his consistency. And his integrity.

  50. Peter

    Have some self-respect Patrick.

    Good one, gimme 100 doses of Sodium thiopental , 50 for each buttock , we could get pat out of his delusions. lol he’d have a road to damascus experience, like Daphne went through.
    Not being rude, but you’d need Pat to be in an altered state, via LSD or MDMA or the above drug, he’s too far gone .
    sowing into the serial liars and false prophets like Mark Levin, Rush Limbo, means you reap all those lies . a bit like confusing talking outa yer mouth with talking outa yer ass.
    Interesting case study u are mr.pat 🙂 I think we can help you if you are willing to try
    thoughts and prayers
    Kurt

  51. well off to bed, IRE need to break the curse of failing to advance past the group stage in any of their 7/8 world cup groups. sad to hear you don’t have a free viewing phantom, we have ITV over here who have the contract. Pity USA didn’t negotiate similiar, but i guess that’s pretty impossible.

    Pat no hard feelings, ATW is like an asylum/clinic where you are the main patient with Allan and is populated by Doctors who take it in turns on a shift rota to support you.

    So goodnight Mr.Pat and goodnight to :
    Dr.Mahons, Dr.Phantom, Dr.Paul M, Dr.Peter, Dr.Dave A, Dr.Frank, Dr.Daphne, Dr.Colm, Dr.Seimi, Dr.Reg M , & PeteM. (apologies to those who have not been mentioned )

  52. If the rugby people were smart, they would negotiate a deal with ESPN in the US where it could be allowed on most peoples cable system

    They might Get less royalty this year but they would grow a good sport in the United States

    If the Ireland – New Zealand game were on ESPN, I would definitely watch it and so would a number of people that I know

    Go get em Ireland

  53. Campaign statements don’t count….. sorry that’s called electioneering….. if Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden gets elected they can then be impeached for the Lie that Medicare for All won’t raise taxes on the middle class.

    Trump made a promise to Build a Wall…. it is being built.

    Trump promised to appoint Judges from a list created by the Heritage Foundation (self disclosure) I am a lifetime member. He has appointed over 140 from it and 2 to the Supreme court.

    He promised to renegotiate our trade deals he has either already done so or is in the process of doing so.

    He’s gonna drain the swamp….. Hunter Biden made several Millions off the Ukrainians and tens of millions from the chicoms and admitted in his interview he got those jobs off of his fathers name… I will gladly post the clip. You don’t get any swampier than that and guess what it’s being investigated now for the first time as the Ambassador to Ukraine testified that she brought up the Law that states EVEN THE APPEARANCE OF CORRUPTION is a violation of the Ethics rules even if not illegal but must be investigated to determine whether there is corruption or not. She says she testified before Schiff and told him when she brought t up t Obama’s Justice Dept. they told her “Not now, Joe just lost his son so we’re not going to pursue it” Gee I didn’t know death of one child gives the other immunity to the Law.

    Over the next couple of months the AG and several IGs will be finished with their investigations into the framing of Donald Trump.

    Right now I SAY….. Lynch, Yates, McCabe, Comey, Rosenstein, Brennan, and Clapper are all guilty of Treason, Sedition at the least.

    I’ve reached this conclusion from reading everything and watching everything. Now when the AG turns in all his reports if these people are found to NOT have committed Treason or Sedition I will gladly say I was wrong and I will be satisfied.

    The fact that none of you can do that in regards to Trump shows you don’t care about facts. You only care about your emotions.

    I find that sad and disappointing…. all of you are very smart men and women, to see you ruled in such a fashion is pathetic.

    I pray for each of you every night. I pray you and yours are well and safe. Tonight I will add a prayer that the scales be lifted from your eyes and your hearts.

  54. You only care about your emotions.

    lol all your posts are laced with belly aching self pity
    Have some self respect Patrick

    a final goodnight fellas

    I’ll be able to watch the game Dr.Tom before trying for 3rd time to get photos for my irish passport ..lol

  55. Patrick, no one is waiting for you to say you are wrong. We know.

  56. PVR

    “Over the next couple of months the AG and several IGs will be finished with their investigations into the framing of Donald Trump.” A few days ago you said the IG report would be released today. Where is it?

  57. Patrick ( or anyone else who can explain )

    What laws would the Trump campaign be able to sue CNN under , and what specific illegalities , civil or criminal have CNN committed. ?

  58. Nice try everyone, but you must know by now Patrick’s never going to admit when he’s in the wrong. I actually feel sorry for him, and cringe on his behalf at some of the stuff he posts on this forum because it makes him look very foolish.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/29/donald-trump-false-claims-lies-germany-father-abortion-popular-vote-

  59. Dave ,
    I think what happens is they see the word “lies” in the header of your link , then they check the source , in this case “guardian”, and then their brain computes the equation ” fake news”.
    Then they feel a smug self-serving emotion of praise that is congratulatory, in that they “haven’t fallen for it”. That’s how they flip what they don’t wanna see.

    Something like that, its certainly a well rehearsed mental operation that is computational.

  60. Kurt.
    I agree mate, but those same people will link to the same sources they’ve accused of fake news in the past, when that source backs up something they’re claiming.
    The simple fact is that Trump has told lies, and it is demonstrably probable.

  61. Pure Maths was my first degree and we learnt that equations can be deductive or inductive.

    We all know deduction, its like sherlock holmes, you bring your clues togather and deduce who was at the scene of the crime, had the motive and so forth.

    Basically induction works backwards ( like inducing a baby during pregnancy)

    Flipping works for them via induction also, so you start at the end e.g “Fake News”, which is what you want as the result . How can I make “fake news” out of this source?

    Then you would simply goes back and find ” the guardian” as the source and you got your flip.

  62. //but those same people will link to the same sources they’ve accused of fake news in the past, when that source backs up something they’re claiming.”

    Yeah mate, duplicity in spades.

  63. kurt.

    Pure Maths was my first degree

    Impressive mate. I struggled a bit with the maths when I did computer science.

  64. haha nice one Dave, I struggled with the programming.
    enjoyed the probability/statistics lectures the most
    You see that being used in weather prediction and of course stock markets, climate change anything that requires models that try to make sense of fluid data.

    On a personal level I really enjoyed playing chess for years, very mathematical, but as I got older I found that music and learning complex chords is soo much more fun
    Inverted chords slash chords sus chords beauties like C#madd11 is a great way to channel a love of maths into an outlet that is creative. The music of the spheres

    This is beautiful, links it all together :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths

  65. Kurt.

    I know where you’re coming from mate, I might struggle to understand it but I find the way mathematics is intrinsically linked to every aspect of life fascinating.

    By spooky coincidence, a friend of mine was talking about the circle of fifths in the pub the other night. He used to work in the music industry in his younger days and is a very talented musician. We were both talking about certain musical chords and rifts positive effect on the human brain. We were theorising that it would be great if we could put our talents together and come up with a computer program they could write best selling hits every time, based on complex, mathematical formula relating to successful past hits.
    The plans you come out with when you’ve had a few drinks. 😁

  66. haha fun that , I know what u mean 🙂

    1,4,5 chord progression cover a huge amount of songs, tried and tested formula

    http://www.musiciansunite.com/articles/what-is-so-great-about-the-1-4-5-chord-progression.html

    They just go so well together

    Here is a list of the 1-4-5 chords in all 12 major keys:
    A: ADE
    A#: A#D#E# (F)
    B: BEF#
    C: CFG
    C#: C#F#G#
    D: DGA
    D#: D#G#A#
    E: EAB
    F: FBbC
    F#: F#BC#
    G: GCD
    G#: G#C#D#

  67. Trump made a promise to Build a Wall…. it is being built

    Not true.

    He’s gonna drain the swamp…..

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/trump-national-doral-miami-g7

  68. The unravelling of Rudy Giuliani

    Had lexington’s 2007 incarnation been informed that the next Republican president would be a pro-gay, pro-choice, thrice-wed New Yorker, the name of Donald Trump would not have leaped to his august mind. Rudy Giuliani led the Republican primary by a big margin throughout that year. There were, to be sure, doubts about whether the former New York mayor was too socially liberal for small-town conservatives. He had once shared a house with two gay people and a Shih Tzu and, what was worse, acted in a comic skit alongside Mr Trump, that symbol of louche metropolitanism. Moreover America was not given to electing “abrasive” New Yorkers, Lexington cautioned then. But, like many others, he suspected Mr Giuliani’s dynamism and the broad support he enjoyed for his calm leadership after 9/11 and record of crime-fighting could compensate for such handicaps.

    It has been pretty much downhill ever since for Mr Giuliani—culminating this week in what appears to be the worst crisis of his increasingly scandal-plagued career. In his role as the president’s old mucker and personal lawyer, he is alleged to have run a parallel foreign policy in Ukraine for the main purpose of spreading bogus allegations against Joe Biden, Mr Trump’s most feared Democratic rival. He is also reported to be under investigation—by a federal agency he once led—for breaking lobbying laws, apparently related to the same plot. Two of his business associates in Ukraine are under arrest. How much legal trouble he faces is unclear—though his decision to defy a congressional subpoena related to the Ukraine plot, for which Mr Trump is likely to be impeached, seems unlikely to help.

    https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/10/17/the-unravelling-of-rudy-giuliani

    oh no not the internationally respected Economist !

  69. Kurt.

    Thanks for that mate I’m going to look like I know what I’m talking about, when me and my mate continue this conversation at the pub tonight.

    https://www.hooktheory.com/blog/i-analyzed-the-chords-of-1300-popular-songs-for-patterns-this-is-what-i-found/

  70. New Yorker, on October 19th, 2019 at 4:55 AM Said: Edit Comment
    PVR

    “Over the next couple of months the AG and several IGs will be finished with their investigations into the framing of Donald Trump.” A few days ago you said the IG report would be released today. Where is it?

    It has been delayed the AG and the IGs are now in Australia and England. Instead of wrapping up the investigation needed to expand to cover the assets used by Brennan through the other Intel Agencies…..

    actually the first one was due 3 mths ago, that had been pushed to 10/18 but they extended the investigation.

    I wish they would make an end…..

    When will you make an End….. When it is Finished …… Pope Julius II, Michelangelo

  71. So Kurt did you do anything with your math degree ?

  72. and as to your analysis I sure as shoot hope your other degree isn’t in any of the psych fields…… cause you way off dude……

  73. They’ve peed down your back folks, and told you it was rain.

  74. Anyone who thinks it’s weird that Hunter Biden got a $600,000 a year sinecure in a notoriously corrupt country when his father was the former president’s point man for that country is now said to be a “conspiracy theorist.”

    That’s the story being told by the “fact-checkers” in the corporate leftist press. As they would have it, President Trump’s allegations of corruption against Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden and his son are absolutely baseless. Of course, it’s an altogether different story for Trump, against whom the slightest innuendo of irregularity is taken as evidence of wrongdoing and allegations must always be true.

    It is, of course, passé to point out this double standard, but it really can’t be repeated enough, particularly as the media goes into overdrive to run interference on the Biden scandal.

    https://amgreatness.com/2019/10/15/no-the-biden-ukraine-story-is-not-a-conspiracy-theory/

  75. They’ve peed down your back folks, and told you it was rain.

    I’d rather have pee on my back, than sh*t for brains. 😁

  76. Worked in IT for 20 years Pat diagnosing is quite binary when you need to eliminate issues to get to the root and find the error. I’d always find it 🙂 do was very good at trouble shooting. Thanks for asking .

    Now as regards your last post. It’s apples and oranges. Trump’s
    staff and Rudy associates are being investigated for crimes. The Bid
    en stuff is at worst just nepotism son getting rich of knowing Dad it’s not a crime though.
    That’s the difference

  77. The Biden stuff is at worst just nepotism son getting rich of knowing Dad it’s not a crime though.

    There’s no crime and if someone insists there was I’d like to know who cmmitted it.

  78. kurt.

    Worked in IT for 20 years Pat diagnosing is quite binary when you need to eliminate issues to get to the root and find the error. I’d always find it 🙂 do was very good at trouble shooting. Thanks for asking .

    I worked in IT for 30 years mate, on all kinds of different and interesting systems.
    Designing coding artificial intelligence systems for banks which one of the most interesting jobs I did.
    You and I could have some very interesting conversations, that everyone else would find absolutely boring. 😁

  79. Now as regards your last post. It’s apples and oranges. Trump’s
    staff and Rudy associates are being investigated for crimes. The Bid
    en stuff is at worst just nepotism son getting rich of knowing Dad it’s not a crime though.
    That’s the difference

    Nonsense what crimes ?

    and if proven true what Biden and his son did IS illegal. Not Nepotism.

  80. I’d rather have pee on my back, than sh*t for brains. 😁

    in your case in this instance…. you suffer from both…. 😉

  81. Things like Biden getting that fake job for a big salary aren’t crimes but they are obviously dirty. People should talk about it as corruption, and as an attempt to buy influence Because that’s exactly what it is

  82. ot…. from the rumor mill

    According to reports, Greta’s parents are the subject of a new inquiry into their fitness as parents, as it would seem that they’ve been abusing their daughter for political and financial gain.

    https://dcdirtylaundry.com/angry-swedish-citizens-report-greta-thunbergs-parents-to-child-services-for-child-abuse/

  83. in your case in this instance…. you suffer from both…. 😉

    I thought you might have made a whittier comeback than that Patrick. That one was too predictable.

    And in this thread I’m not claiming anything other than the fact Trump has told lies.

  84. Reckon so Dave 🙂

    And that’s the thing about Pat, which doesn’t add up
    When you work in IT and have to strip systems back to find the errors, its a real logical system of elimination, tight, neat, methodical, and then you replace parts and build it back up again . Job done

    Its the same in politics, your brain investigates, cross-checks, references, drills down into the alleged crime: Use a system of probability even, as in: Is this likely to have happened. Is there form?

    So we all have the same facts in front of us . But Pat draws wildly diff conclusions.
    We can rule out thinking therefore for Pat, as thinking and rational leads us all to the same page. It has to as, as logical consistency is built into the rules, its how one goes about sifting and processing out the rubbish, the discard-able. To assist in getting to the truth.

    so Pat we’ve proved you’re not doing that thing we call “thinking”, so what are you doing?

  85. Nonsense what crimes ?

    Five minutes ago you were saying it was blackmail?

  86. not what the President did…… and if Biden can produce the evidence of written instruction to hold up the billion than that’s not a crime…. having a family member paid 83,000 a month for doing nothing…. is a crime.

  87. Threatening to withold aid unless a foreign government head investigates a domestic political rival all of a sudden isn’t blackmail now?

    Having a family member paid 83,000 a month for doing nothing…. is a crime.

    Is it? Which crime is it and who committed the crime?

  88. No it’s not

    You’re just making shit up yet again

  89. Kurt I have a degree in Computer Science from the Univ of Pennsylvania.

    I am the one here going on logic not you or Dave.

    Mueller charged Trump with Nothing…… Ken Star charged Bill Clinton with 11 Felonies.

    Logic dictates that

    Here is the Mueller report, by the numbers:

    – 675: The number of days from when Mueller was appointed to the day he turned in his report to Barr.

    – 19: lawyers who were employed by the special counsel’s office, according to a letter Barr sent to Congress on Sunday.

    – More than 2,800 subpoenas issued by the Special Counsel’s office, that’s an average of at least four per day.

    – Nearly 500 search warrants executed.

    – More than 230 orders for communication records.

    – Nearly 50 authorized orders for the use of pen registers, a tool that lets the government know who someone is communicating with and when, but not what they said.

    – 13 evidence requests to foreign governments

    – 500 witnesses interviewed

    – $25 millionin posted costs as of February

    and not a single charge….. Logic dictates he’s innocent.

  90. Logic says that he was not charged

  91. //You’re just making shit up yet again//

    yeah that’s sharp phantom, good comment

    adds weight : If a person is not engaged in thinking , then they are busy
    a) making stuff up
    b) finding cover in debunked conspiracies

    The latter will always be a hiding place for them, as pat promises the near-to-be,
    soon-to-be reveale exposes. My arse!
    That’s futurology pat and you hinted was I using psychic shit?
    Nope staying in the present moment with the facts on the table, under my nose , as you should be doing, not making shit up or fantasising about the future.

    Kids see this easier than adults
    “Liar,Liar pants on fire” dya know what that means ?

  92. Phantom, on October 19th, 2019 at 4:08 PM Said: Edit Comment
    No it’s not

    You’re just making shit up yet again

    Oh ok Phantom…..

  93. Kurt you keep calling all these things “debunked conspiracies” debunked by who ?

    The FBI is only investigating these events since February and no reports have been filed yet.

    You have a penchant for making claims about things that you have no clue what the facts are. I say the circumstantial evidence that I and millions of others can cite is pretty damning, but no one knows until the investigations are done.

  94. You have a penchant for making claims about things that you have no clue what the facts are

    Having a family member paid 83,000 a month for doing nothing…. is a crime.

    Is it? Which crime is it and who committed the crime?

  95. I never liked or Mueller he was incompetent his whole career, but always managed to fail upwards.

    His testimony on the Hill showed him to be both incompetent and possibly suffering from dementia.

    Yet I still said I would accept his findings….. He found nothing so everyone against Trump is ignoring that fact.

    The democrats had one chance to cover their illegal activities and that was for Mueller to find a Crime…. he found none committed by Trump.

    They took their shot and failed….. no we have to clean up the Dems Crimes.

  96. Having a family member paid 83,000 a month for doing nothing…. is a crime.

    Is it? Which crime is it and who committed the crime?

    It was an illegal bribe in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

    The perps are Joe, Hunter and the Foreign entity.

  97. Absolute & utter rubbish:

    The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act of 1977, as amended, 15 U.S.C. §§ 78dd-1, et seq. (“FCPA”), was enacted for the purpose of making it unlawful for certain classes of persons and entities to make payments to foreign government officials to assist in obtaining or retaining business […]

    directly or indirectly, to a foreign official to influence the foreign official in his or her official capacity, induce the foreign official to do or omit to do an act in violation of his or her lawful duty

    https://www.justice.gov/criminal-fraud/foreign-corrupt-practices-act

    Unless the Biden’s paid a foreign official for anything you’re hopelessly incorrect.

    Pat, you’re inventing things and trying to wing it.

  98. it works both ways Paul in regard for an American Politician being bribed in the same manner….

  99. Only within the territory of the US Pat:

    With the enactment of certain amendments in 1998, the anti-bribery provisions of the FCPA now also apply to foreign firms and persons who cause, directly or through agents, an act in furtherance of such a corrupt payment to take place within the territory of the United States.

    No crime commited, alleged or otherwise. You’re incorrect.

  100. BTW, what has Biden Snr allegedly been bribed with?

  101. a job for his son.

  102. Hunter was hired by the Ukranians and the Chicoms as a Bribe for his father.

    He admitted it in an interview….. once again self admission of a crime, just like his father admitted to blackmail.

  103. As I’ve said before when it comes to his political opponents Patrick is ok with hearsay, conjecture and just made up bollocks as evidence to convict them. When it comes to those he supports however he turns into a line by line ambulance chaser looking for any and all technicalities.

  104. “He admitted it in an interview….. once again self admission of a crime, just like his father admitted to blackmail.”

    Well the second statement is frankly a lie, but it is one we’ve gone over time and time before. You seem to think just repeating the lie over and over again will make it true. But where is the first one? The interview where Hunter admitted he was hired to help bribe Joe Biden?

  105. A job for his son

    Hunter was hired by the Ukranians and the Chicoms as a Bribe for his father

    Absolutely not true and even if it were it still wouldn’t be a crime under the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

    Biden didn’t admit to blackmail. That’s absolutely untrue too.

  106. Pat you’re wrong also when you assert

    You have a penchant for making claims about things that you have no clue what the facts are

    every claim I make recently for example re: Rudy
    is based on evidence and testimony given at the impeachment enquiry.
    I stick rigorously to that narrow window, because its a safe place for truth to come out and a case to be built via corroboration and the collection of important information
    under a committee.

    You on the other hand pull out any old crap that comes into your view via a website you happen to have landed upon, that might spread some muck. No research no fact checking.

    100% of the time you’re shown to be wrong by the analysts and fact checkers here on ATW
    who have this truth and verification process finely tuned. By and large because we/they are sick of bullshit. Don’t like the taste of it, fucks up your mind/body/soul
    sad to say but i gen believe its your staple diet.
    That’s the difference between you and us .

  107. oh I do like my psychology too, sometimes its off the bat I admit that, its not a perfect science, but as I treasure the truth and abhor lies I’m attracted to psychology as means to both understand my opponent Trump,Rudy and of course how you pat get to be such an unhinged crazy guy:

    “a person who has a martyr complex desires the feeling of being a martyr for their own sake, seeking out suffering or persecution because it either feeds a psychological need or a desire to avoid responsibility”

    sound familiar?

  108. every claim I make recently for example re: Rudy
    is based on evidence and testimony given at the impeachment enquiry.

    REALLY ?

    Where is that information please….. ?

    No evidence, no transcripts, and all in Secret….. You should contact CNN since you have what no one else does…..

  109. “a person who has a martyr complex desires the feeling of being a martyr for their own sake, seeking out suffering or persecution because it either feeds a psychological need or a desire to avoid responsibility”

    sound familiar?

    yeah you just described the Democrat Party.

  110. 4 people in custody , d’oh someone is NOT paying attention during the week
    all close associates of Rudy Giuliani – do you watch/listen to current events?
    or is it all murky Past 2016 and Future-gazing into BS conspiracies
    No need to answer , we know its anything but the Present, right in front of your eyes!

  111. Ok lets look at a little information that I’m sure most of you just missed……

    3yrs ago there was an investigation into Hillaries email that was rigged. Comey made this big illegal announcement that even though she had committed espionage no one would prosecute her…. yeah no one in the Obama administration….

    Well I bet most of you thought that ended the investigation…. nope sorry it just was brought to an end by Barr.

    When he went to question some of those that broke the Law for Hillary they claimed they could not testify because it was part of an ongoing investigation….. His response what ongoing investigation…. well Hillary’s email investigation was never brought to a conclusion….

    Comey destroyed evidence, covered up felonies and then exonerated the Beast, but he never ended the investigation….. Well that investigation ended this week so that the investigation into it’s rigging can continue…..

    The findings of the Comey investigation that ended this week are as follows……

    The investigation covered 33,000 emails that Clinton turned over for review after her use of the private email account became public. The department said it found a total of 588 violations involving information then or now deemed to be classified but could not assign fault in 497 cases.

    The investigation, launched more than three years ago, determined that those 38 people were “culpable” in 91 cases of sending classified information that ended up in Clinton’s personal email, according to a letter sent to Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley this week and released on Friday. The 38 are current and former State Department officials but were not identified.

    That is Espionage.

    No charges have yet to be filed on the 38 since everyone of them is being investigated as part of the obstruction of justice investigation still being conducted.

    Although the report identified violations, it said investigators had found “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information.” However, it also made clear that Clinton’s use of the private email had increased the vulnerability of classified information.

    Mishandling of Classified information even unintentionally is Espionage that’s how the Law is Written.

    So how many of you heard this ?

  112. “Mishandling of Classified information even unintentionally is Espionage that’s how the Law is Written.”

    Not actually true. The law uses terms like “knowingly” or “gross negligence”, making clear that unintentional mishandling, that falls short of gross negligence, of classified information is not illegal.

  113. Seamus do you do Irish Dancing, or do you just dance around reality…..?

  114. Trump is much closer to those people than he is to a real president.

    Let’s all just agree on that.

  115. “Seamus do you do Irish Dancing, or do you just dance around reality…..?”

    You said unintentional mishandling of classified information was espionage. That simply isn’t true. You may not put much stock by truthfulness or facts but I do. The fact is that the laws specifically criminalises “knowingly” breaching the rules, or breaching the rules due to “gross negligence”. It doesn’t criminalise other unintentional mishandling.

  116. Clinton intentionally concealed government records, keeping them for herself alone.

    It’s the most intentional thing that anyone ever did.

    There was nothing accidental about any of it.

  117. “Clinton intentionally concealed government records, keeping them for herself alone.”

    Most likely Clinton violated the Federal Records Act. Though also most likely did Colin Powell, and the staff of Madeleine Albright and Condoleezza Rice.

  118. 18 U.S.C § 793(f)(1)(2)

  119. no Seamus none of the Other Secretaries of State REMOVED Classified information from the secured network…. Only the Beast.

  120. She did it on a far greater scale.

    If anyone here did that with the records of their employer, they’d be fired on the spot, with it possibly leading to prosecution.

    Its not helpful to parrot DNC talking points, like Patrick or Sean Hannity in reverse. She did a really bad thing. Dems always minimize it.

  121. yes because the ones I “parrot” are correct as you just admitted…….

  122. “18 U.S.C § 793(f)(1)(2)”

    What section of that code did she violate Patrick?

    “no Seamus none of the Other Secretaries of State REMOVED Classified information from the secured network…. Only the Beast.”

    The code specifically says “knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both”. Now while it can clearly be shown that Clinton moved such materials to an unathorised location it has not been in anyway shown that she removed those documents without the authority to do so. She was the Secretary of State. She has the right to access them.

    “She did it on a far greater scale.”

    Sure.

    “Its not helpful to parrot DNC talking points, like Patrick or Sean Hannity in reverse.”

    Nor am I doing so. What Clinton did was wrong, and even the bits that weren’t illegal probably should be. No difficulty in saying so. The political use of it is of course going to generate a political response. The holding Clinton to one standard but not holding other people who do similar (even if not as serious) things to any standard at all deserves to be called out.

  123. The others did not have private servers as far as I know.

    It took a great deal of planning, by a number of people, to do such a thing.

    An incredibly small percentage of the population would have private servers. I doubt that anyone here has one. Yet she managed to have one.

    What the others did is not in the same galaxy as what she did.

  124. “The others did not have private servers as far as I know.”

    True. Powell did have a private (and I believe unsecure) email address which he used for work sometimes.

    It is worth saying that the investigation into the server found potential breaches but none reaching the burden required for prosectuion. They found “all the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. [The FBI] do not see those things here.”

    So something can be wrong, even illegal, without reaching the threshold for criminal prosecution. That is most likely what Clinton’s server was.

  125. I’ve used private email for company business.

    But it was only a few times, and it was only years ago, at times when the company system went down.

    And then I sent an email to my company email address as soon as that system was up again so that records would be complete.

    Hillary Clinton was and is a devious sneak from her head to her toes. I lost respect for Bernie when he minimized her studied concealment. The old goat didn’t know what email was.

  126. IMO she went very, very very close to the line at best.

    I had a Top Secret clearance. I take information security seriously.

    She wasn’t negligent, she intentionally blew off all classified — and unclassified — protocols.

    To me, what she did disqualified her for any high office. That’s how serious it was, even if not illegal.

  127. Hunter was hired by the Ukranians and the Chicoms as a Bribe for his father

    Absolutely not true

    Hunter Biden was hired by a Ukrainian oil company because a) he speaks Ukrainian, b) he is qualified in oil and gas engineering and c) he has a track record in developing sales in oil and gas.

    Of course, all of the above is wrong – so why was Hunter BIDEN, son of the US V-P hired at $83,000 per month? That’s a substantial sum of money even for corrupt politicians.

    I see that the new refrain is – what crime was commmitted?

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/10/04/a-witness-to-the-collapse/

    As for the the charge that a Ukrainian president was told to do a favor in exchange for a payment, the record is crystal clear that it was Biden who gave the Ukrainian president 6 hours to do as he is told or forfeit one billion dollars of US taxpayers’ money. Biden bragged on it before the Council of Foreign Relations. The boast is captured on video. I posted it. It is all over the Internet. The Ukrainian prosecutor himself gave sworn testimony that he was fired on Biden’s orders. The prosecutor was investigating a firm from which Biden’s son was collecting huge sums in exchange for his father’s protection of the corrupt firm. The evidence is clear.

    But what do we hear from the media, especially the CNN and NPR whores? We hear that the charges against Biden are just politics, but that the charges against Trump, unsupported by the evidence, require Trump’s impeachment.

    The crime would have been revealed by the investigation into Burisma but this was scuppered by Joe Biden who boasted about the event on camera. So, no investigation = no crime.

    So why would a Ukrainian oil company hire Hunter Biden at $83,000 per month?

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/ukraine-prosecutor-that-biden-got-fired-says-he-was-told-to-back-off-investigation-report-says?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Actengage

    “There were requests for information on Hunter Biden to which nothing was received,” Shokin said, according to the notes obtained by Fox News. “It is believed that Hunter Biden receives a salary, commission plus one million dollars. There were no documents or information on Hunter Biden, and Mr. Shokin stated he was warned to stop by Ambassador Geoffrey R. Pyatt.”

    “President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko told Mr. Shokin not to investigate Burisma as it was not in the interest of Joe and/or Hunter Biden. Mr. Shokin was called into Mr. Poroshenko’s office and told that the investigation into Burisma and the Managing Director where Hunter Biden is on the board, has caused Joe Biden to hold up one billion dollars in U.S. aid to Ukraine,” the notes continued.

  128. She committed espionage…… She specifically setup a network outside the Federal System that was NOT on the secure network…. That is Espionage and a Felony violation of the Federal records act.

    Anyone that mishandled the classified material committed Espionage.

    Once the information left the secure network everyone that received it or transmitted it committed a Felony.

    The department said it found a total of 588 violations involving information then or now deemed to be classified but could not assign fault in 497 cases.

    That’s 588 Felonies so many Felonies that there is no way to prosecute everyone and still have a functioning State Dept.

    It was so rampant that they could not pinpoint the originators of all the documents except in 38 cases….. yet to be charged.

  129. Hillary is still doing what she does…….

    https://alethonews.com/2019/10/18/queen-of-warmongers-embodiment-of-corruption-tulsi-gabbard-drags-hillary-clinton-after-russian-asset-claim/

    Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) has accused Hillary Clinton of being behind a ‘concerted campaign’ to destroy her reputation and challenged her to stop hiding and enter the 2020 presidential race.

    “Great! Thank you Hillary Clinton,” Gabbard tweeted on Friday afternoon. “You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain.”

    “From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a concerted campaign to destroy my reputation. We wondered who was behind it and why. Now we know — it was always you, through your proxies and powerful allies in the corporate media and war machine,” Gabbard added.

    During the 2016 campaign, Gabbard resigned as vice-chair of the Democratic National Committee after endorsing Bernie Sanders for the party’s presidential nomination. Clinton beat Sanders out for the nomination largely due to support from the unaccountable “superdelegates,” and it emerged later that her campaign had taken over the DNC entirely – which might help explain Gabbard’s line about “the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long.”

    But there’s no crime 🙂

  130. “Once the information left the secure network everyone that received it or transmitted it committed a Felony.”

    Only if doing so was either grossly negligent or deliberately leaked. You have no evidence of either.

  131. So the Number of Classified emails out of the ones she turned over not counting the over 30,000 she erased and then destroyed the computers over is 588 Classified Documents that we know of have been confirmed to have been on an unsecured server…..

  132. Mishandling classified information which is exactly what this was is The Definition of Gross Negligence.

  133. lol Pat you really are on a hiding to nothing with this Clinton Crap.
    I guess you really could do with a hobby? is this it ?
    think of all the johnny cash songs you might have learnt and played instead of time-wasting
    #shame what old codgers will do to waste their lives # the pity of it Iago, the pity of it

  134. My point in bringing this up…..

    How many of you heard this came out on Friday ?

    Any of you ?

    No I didn’t think so……

  135. “No I didn’t think so……”

    No you didn’t think. Of course many of us have read about the case. I particularly seemed to notice the conclusion of the State Department investigation which found “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information”.

  136. lol Felony hunters , I guess I should not talk too much I’m felony hunting Rudy.
    I do think I have more chance though than Pat.
    Pat I give you 5/100 chance you’ll have hilary charged, and 1/10,000 she goes to jail
    with Rudy I give myself odds on his associates will go to jail. As for Rudy, yes he will be arrested, but with all the cover and pardons and stuff, i don’t think his ass with be in cell. Will come close though.

  137. Kurt as much as I love music….. I have white man’s disease…… I can’t hold a beat if my life depended on it……

  138. make a bet, I’ll go visit Hilary in jail, if you got visit Rudy in Jail
    Phantom dya think i need to book a flight? Does Pat need to? or at least make a reservation 🙂

  139. No you didn’t think. Of course many of us have read about the case. I particularly seemed to notice the conclusion of the State Department investigation which found “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information”.

    So you heard about it…… and then you quote the Lie…..

    Admit Seamus you just did in your comment…. You didn’t know they hadn’t concluded it… You think this the State Dept Internal investigation which even the leftist press didn’t buy… you didn’t know about the 38 people awaiting indictment or the confirmed 588 classified documents.

    Yet you can’t admit that you just didn’t know…. That is something you should look at.

  140. “So you heard about it…… and then you quote the Lie…..”

    The lie? So the State Department didn’t say there was “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information”?

  141. Rudy Giuliani hasn’t broken any laws and would never break the Law. Hillary will never serve a day in Jail Kurt and neither will Obama, but a lot of Federal Employees at Justice, State, DHS, and FBI will….. certain people from the CIA should also, but we don’t arrest CIA Officers.

  142. The lie? So the State Department didn’t say there was “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information”?

    That’s a Lie put out by the State Dept that was proven a Lie with the above.

  143. “That’s a Lie put out by the State Dept that was proven a Lie with the above.”

    It isn’t a lie because it is inconvenient for you. The fact is that Mike Pompeo’s State Department found “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information”.

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    ATW version Grand Jury Indictment
    Role-Play , choose a target, pick from lawyers, politicians celebs, start building up a case
    Aim of Game, get your perp into the joint
    points awarded incrementally if get your perp into an orange-jumpsuit
    or perps close to the target .. bonus for making an arrest /subpeona
    Everyone’s a winner – subs $20 – lifetime membership 😉

  145. Rudy Giuliani hasn’t broken any laws and would never break the Law

    hey get your hands of my perp, I got him breaking multiple laws, hold yer horses
    He’s my cash cow, reckon I’m gonna do well betting on Rudy ..lol

  146. Mayor Bill de Blasio said his predecessor, Rudy Giuliani, should be locked up for his dealings with Ukraine on behalf of President Trump.

    “Should Giuliani go to jail for his involvement in this Ukraine thing?” the mayor was asked by Hot 97’s Ebro Darden on Friday morning.

    “I have felt for decades that Rudy Giuliani was, is a divisive human being and caused a lot of pain and a lot of harm, but if you’re asking about this now as a matter of law, it sure looks that way,” de Blasio said.

    “I mean, he deserves a trial like anyone else,” de Blasio allowed, before continuing his rant against Giuliani.

    “Some people are like, ‘Wow, Rudy suddenly went crazy.’ I’m like, ‘Now wait a minute, Rudy has been doing overtly divisive, racist things for decades.’

    “So I don’t think this is like sudden behavior, it just might be the most overtly criminal behavior,” de Blasio said.

    Giuliani is the subject of a federal probe into whether he broke lobbying laws in his efforts to dig up dirt on Hunter Biden, according to a New York Times report.

    Pat reckon I’m way ahead of you man .. Fair comment ?

  147. Pat I’m challenge on a game of P.E.R.P
    Win7 version of Grand Jury Auto

    P.E.R.P
    Pursue, Engage, Restrain, Pen
    Rudy vs Hilary
    Wanna Play?

  148. PVR

    “It has been delayed the AG and the IGs are now in Australia and England. Instead of wrapping up the investigation needed to expand to cover the assets used by Brennan through the other Intel Agencies…..” In other words, until the cows come home. Barr belongs in Washington doing his job not roving around the world on wild goose chases.

  149. Barr is acting like another personal lawyer to Trump, And is not doing the peoples business

  150. Trump is playing King Croc, the WH is a gator farm
    Drain the Swamp? They are the Swamp

    ‘Meltdown’: Donald Trump and the impeachment week from hell

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/19/meltdown-donald-trump-impeachment-pelosi-romney-mulvaney

  151. Rudy Giuliani hasn’t broken any laws and would never break the Law

    Pat dya wanna row back on that?

    Jeffrey Cramer, a longtime former federal prosecutor who spent 12 years at the Justice Department, told Insider the existence of a counterintelligence probe means investigators are “casting a wide net.”

    “Cases like these, and they aren’t common, usually involve multiple schemes and numerous players,” Cramer said. “As such, they touch upon many different possible criminal violations.”

    https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-giuliani-weak-link-trump-ukraine-scandal-2019-10?r=US&IR=T

    N.B Always quote your sources

  152. Kurt they can throw every net in the world on Rudy and it won’t find anything.

    Rudy is a Hero to Law Enforcement, he made his bones as a whop prosecuting mafia whops. He’s been attacked by all sides the mob tried to pay him of then they tried to kill him. The Government pf NY tried to find corruption on him also. Ge was after all a Republican running the Democrat capital of the Country.

    You don’t know who you are casting aspersions at.

  153. Phantom, on October 20th, 2019 at 2:39 AM Said: Edit Comment
    Barr is acting like another personal lawyer to Trump, And is not doing the peoples business

    REALLY…..

    It’s not the Peoples business to know if a President of the United States abused his power and tried to frame a political opponent ?

    do the country a favor Phantom get transferred permanently over sea’s. The IQ of the Nation will immediately rise the second you leave.

  154. You don’t know who you are casting aspersions at.

    Its not me,per se, you have to worry about Rudy is the target, and the gateway to SnowWhite aka DonTump – this week we’ll find out if The StinkHouse throws him under the bus

    stay tooned

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/18/trump-giuliani-impeachment-050870

    “Rudy Giuliani is Donald Trump, and Donald Trump is Rudy Giuliani,” said Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee.

    I’m sure that’ll give you a laugh, being generous to you Pat, crying is coming
    How’s your fleas by the way, still itching?

  155. Swalwell…… you’re right I’m laughing

  156. Great, well have some more laughs, these guys put together a clever interactive moving graphic of the 52 high-profile departures during Trumps term, so far, who left in a blizzard of indecision and turmoil that would be hard for even the sharpest White House-watcher to recall. So here’s a living document, designed to help you keep pace.

    last bits for you pat, ” to help you keep pace ” 😉

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2018/jul/05/donald-trump-firings-resignations-white-house-full-list-latest

  157. Losing quality people like Mattis Haley and McMaster highly indicative of the bad leadership and confusion at the top.

    Even the arch interventionist Bolton appears to have left over a matter principle, where Bolton was correct.

  158. Testifying This week we have 7 depositions:

    Bill Taylor, Acting US Ambassador to Ukraine ( Tues )

    Phillip Reeker, Acting Asst Sec of European Affairs
    Micheal Duffy OMB Assoc for National Security Programs ( Weds )

    Laura Cooper Deputy Asst Sec of Defense
    Alexander Vindman Dir of European Affairs, Natl Security Council (Thurs )

    Suriya Yantani Foreign Service Officer in Kyev
    Tim Morrison Top Russia Adviser, Natl Sec Council ( Friday )

    they can throw every net in the world on Rudy and it won’t find anything

    someone has their head buried in the sand , deep !

  159. Botton referred to Giuliani activities in Ukraine as the equivalent of a “ drug deal “ and refused to be part of it

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d3a59w/john-bolton-accused-trumps-chief-of-staff-of-cooking-up-a-drug-deal-in-ukraine

  160. Kurt so ask yourself why are these people speaking to Sciffs committee ?

    None of them were on the phone call, none of them are relevant. Schiff and Pelosi can hold all the kangaroo inquests they want they have no legal standing or value. Every testimony is not only useless but will be thrown out in a court of Law.

    No Due Process…..

    Phantom if Bolton said that and as far as I can tell there is no proof he did, but when you have someone acting as an investigating prosecutor and consigliera to the President. Everything he’s doing would by it’s nature be kept secret from everyone but the principals.

    Bolton if he said it…. which I doubt but if he did I’m sure it was in the context that the secrecy is like a drug deal.

  161. None of them were on the phone call, none of them are relevant.

    seriously pat you’re not apying attention
    Last week ALL of the witness’s had something to say connecting Rudy Guliani
    He’s had the worst week of his life and next weekwill be even worse

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-worst-week-yet.html

    MONDAY
    Bolton also reportedly told Hill that “Giuliani’s a hand grenade who’s going to blow everybody up.” This testimony didn’t help Giuliani’s claim that everything he did was legitimate and done with everyone’s blessing or that he was a rational human capable of making good decisions.

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    It’s been a week for President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani. The former New York mayor–turned–Trump attack dog has found himself the star of the unfolding Ukraine scandal, and even though he has been relatively quiet this week, other players in the impeachment investigation keep launching him back into the headlines. Each week of this scandal has been action-packed, but it’s possible that this week might be the most relentless for Rudy. For those who would like a refresher on this convoluted, character-packed story, here’s what you missed.

    Monday
    Hill testified that John Bolton, then Trump’s national security adviser, was so alarmed by the push by Giuliani (as well as acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and EU Ambassador Gordon Sondland) to have Ukraine investigate the Bidens that Bolton asked Hill to alert the National Security Council’s chief lawyer to the shenanigans. Bolton also reportedly told Hill that “Giuliani’s a hand grenade who’s going to blow everybody up.” This testimony didn’t help Giuliani’s claim that everything he did was legitimate and done with everyone’s blessing or that he was a rational human capable of making good decisions.

    The Wall Street Journal reported later in the day that investigators had been looking into Giuliani’s financial records—including those related to his work in Ukraine—since at least August. The next day, USA Today reported that the investigation also involves agents examining counterintelligence concerns from Giuliani’s business ties with Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, two Soviet-born associates who helped Giuliani pressure Ukraine and who were arrested last week at a Washington-area airport with one-way tickets.

    TUESDAY

    The next news to break resurfaced another foreign lobbying effort by Giuliani over a different scandal-ridden client. New York prosecutors announced charges against Halkbank, a state-run Turkish bank that it said violated U.S. sanctions against Iran.This would not be the first time Giuliani would reportedly push for Trump to do something that Erdogan also really wanted.

    Next: The Wall Street Journal reported that former Rep. Pete Sessions had received a grand jury subpoena from Manhattan federal prosecutors for its investigation into Giuliani. The subpoena requested any correspondence Sessions had with Giuliani, Parnas, and Fruman.

    Rounding out the day, the Washington Post reported that Giuliani lobbied Trump to extradite the Muslim cleric Fethullah Gülen—something Erdogan desperately wants

    WESNESDAY

    Another person connected to Giuliani’s business associates was arrested Wednesday morning, charged with participating in a scheme to use foreign money to build political support for a marijuana business.

    Energy Secretary Rick Perry reinforced the narrative about Giuliani’s central role in the Ukraine scandal when he said he had contacted Giuliani to help connect Trump with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, the Wall Street Journal reported.

    THURSDAY

    This was a big day for testimony and a bad day for Giuliani. Sondland, the EU ambassador, really energized the blame game during his time before House investigators when he portrayed himself as a disapproving State Department official acting only out of duty to the president. He testified that he was “disappointed” Trump directed him to work with Giuliani regarding U.S. policy toward Ukraine. “Please know that I would not have recommended that Mr. Giuliani or any private citizen be involved in these foreign policy matters,” he said. “However, given the president’s explicit direction, as well as the importance we attached to arranging a White House meeting between Presidents Trump and Zelensky, we agreed to do as President Trump directed.”

    Sondland also claimed that he hadn’t known Giuliani’s true goal of “involv[ing] Ukrainians, directly or indirectly, in the president’s 2020 reelection campaign.” He also said he hadn’t known when talking about investigating Ukrainian energy company Burisma Holdings that Hunter Biden was on its board. This was quite bad for Rudy!

    FRIDAY

    But then Bloomberg reported that associates of Ukrainian oligarch Dmytro Firtash, who has been fighting extradition to the U.S. since 2014, had worked to dig up dirt on the Bidens last summer. Firtash’s legal team included pro-Trump husband and wife duo Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensing. Fox News reported last month that the pair had worked with Giuliani to research the Bidens. The story had been slowly building, but Bloomberg’s report finally proposed a concrete set of motivations and relationships: diGenova and Toensing were trying to dig up dirt on the Bidens—using the oligarch’s vast network—in order to get Giuliani to help them in Firtash’s legal case. Firtash’s actions could be interpreted as a foreign contribution to Donald Trump’s campaign—something not allowed by campaign finance laws

    Anyone who is not connecting the dots here is either brain-dead or just ducking and diving with beady eyes and sweaty palms, clinging to a raft of nothing, hurtling towards the waterfall.

  162. I don’t see that Bolton is denying saying that…

  163. Schiff and Pelosi can hold all the kangaroo inquests they want they have no legal standing or value. Every testimony is not only useless but will be thrown out in a court of Law.No Due Process…..

    I am sure its been explained to you during the week how impeachment works
    It begins with an inquiry, during which evidence is gathered. After a house in the House
    cross examination can take place and the process take on a more legal footing.
    That does not undermine the legality of what is currently going on.
    Dammit do I have to explain your own laws/constitution to you .. ( shakes head )
    you don’t know much Pat

  164. * vote in the House

  165. what’s funny is Trumpers think they got this thing fire-walled.
    Their first line of defense ( calling the enquiry fake ) is blown apart
    What going on is not illegal, its process.

    They’re so worried about where this enquiry is leading ( back to Trump )
    They’re considering letting Rudy talk the hit for all of it to protect Trump
    using the ” one rotten apple ” defense, or one-rogue guy = It was all Rudy

    Maybe this will be how they play it.
    Your view phantom, I think you once said Rudy not the kinds guy to take a fall

    But hot of the press is more trouble for the WH regards Rudy:

    Mike Pompeo gets roasted alive for inventing ‘internal deliberations’ rule to stay mum on Giuliani

    “And we do know that so much — and this is by his own admission — that so much of this activity was being carried out by the president’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani,” ABC host George Stephanopoulos told Pompeo in a Sunday interview. “Was he acting with your blessing and supervision?”

    “George, I’ve had one consistent policy as the Secretary of State to not talk about internal deliberations inside the administration,” Pompeo replied. “I’m not going to change that policy this morning.”

    Stephanopoulos pointed out that Giuliani is ‘not a member of the administration.”

    “This is the president’s personal lawyer who was pursuing this at the president’s direction and going around the normal State Department procedures,” the ABC host pressed.

    “George, private citizens often are part of executing American foreign policy,” Pompeo fired back. “You know that. You lived that. You want to talk about Sydney Blumenthal for a while, George? I can go all day.”

    “They generally have formal appointments,” Stephanopoulos observed. “They generally go through reviews for conflicts of interest. We now know that Rudy Giuliani, Mayor Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, was pursuing business interests in the Ukraine at the time he was acting as the president’s special envoy.

    “I missed Sydney Blumenthal’s conflict of interest,” Pompeo said, ignoring the question. “You must have seen that.”

    “Did you know what Rudy Giuliani was doing?” Stephanopoulos demanded to know.

    “George, I don’t talk about internal deliberations inside the administration,” Pompeo repeated.

    Watch the video below from ABC.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/mike-pompeo-gets-roasted-alive-for-inventing-internal-deliberations-rule-to-stay-mum-on-giuliani/

  166. Imagined convo Rudy/Trump

    Trump: Rudy I need a pasty

    Rudy: What? Who? Me?

    Trump; I’ll come visit you and get ya a pardon

    Rudy: Can you fix it so Yankees going to Wolrd Series

    Trump: Yes Rudy , we’ll say it was fake news Astro won

    Rudy: Ok I’ll do it, i need a 24hr body guard in the slammer

    Trump: OJ said he’d protect you

    Rudy: Where do I sign ?

  167. quiet day fer ya mr.pat
    Maybe you believe now your Emperor is Toast

    lets leave last word to Rudy eh 😉

    By Allan Smith and Peter Alexander
    Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump’s personal attorney, said in an interview with The New Yorker that he is “afraid” his gravestone will say he “lied for Trump.”

    Giuliani was asked by the magazine on Sunday if he ever worried that “saying things for Trump, not always being truthful about it” would be his legacy.

    “Absolutely,” he responded. “I am afraid it will be on my gravestone. ‘Rudy Giuliani: He lied for Trump.

  168. Steve Bannon:

    Steve Bannon says President Donald Trump will be impeached in six weeks.

    The president’s former chief strategist and ex-Breitbart News chairman issued a direct warning to the Trump administration Saturday, warning the White House wasn’t taking the threat of impeachment seriously enough. Bannon says House Speaker ‘Nancy Pelosi is very focused,’ about getting the process of impeachment started, Now watching the administration from the outside in, he says he fears nothing will stand in the way of impeachment.

    ‘This is serious. As sure as the turning of the earth’, he tells the post.

    Bannon says he’s observed a lack of coordination in the administration’s response to the threat.

    ‘I don’t feel comfortable when I see the chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney,’ Bannon said, in a reference to Mulvaney’s confirmation on Thursday that Trump’s decision to withhold military aid to Ukraine was part of a quid pro quo, and that such a strategy was not uncommon.

    ‘The problem we have is that the president needs a team around him and somebody has got to step up and make a play. Trump can’t do everything,’ Bannon said. ‘There is just no coordination with the team.

    ‘The fake news and witch hunt stuff is not working.’

    wow, 10/1 Trump Resigns before the end of the year, not a bad punt.
    Remember bone-spurs has no stomach, even the thought of impending doom would lead to cries of betrayal, meltdowns, anger at Media/Dems. He’ll blame everyone but himself.
    Gonna be crucial how he plays this with/without Rudy next few weeks.
    Rudy is just about smart enough to tell Snow-White they got caught, in a private convo and its game over man .. His Presidency is toast, he has options as to how it ends though.
    That’s all he has, so the rest will be revenge e.g Syria withdrawal – a hissy fit

  169. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7593483/Steve-Bannon-says-Trump-impeached-six-weeks-Nancy-Pelosi-focused.html

  170. We could see a total psychological meltdown of this president, in public.

    We’ve come close to it already.

    We’ve never seen such a “ leader “ in any of our lands.

  171. Fox News’s Chris Wallace is a serious journalist, As baby seen every Sunday

    Unlike publicist Sean Hannity, he beats the drum for no one.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-acting-chief-of-staff-mick-mulvaney-melts-down-under-brutal-grilling-by-foxs-chris-wallace

  172. Mulvaney trying the old bluster at top speed . Nice try no cigar. Even the suggestion of Ukraine corruption plays into Biden imf true story. Trump was not interested in that. Just dirt . Army talk bullshit baffles brains. Mulvaney been sent out to fool the folks. Gonna be an interesting week. Lots more to come out.

  173. Wallace is a good interviewer so was his father till the end.

  174. Trump has no-one left to go out and bat for him, he cancelled his golf yesterday and is hunkered down in the WH, where he can’t figure out how he’s gonna fix his impeachment:

    Hilary retweeted a brilliant mocking of his letter to Erdogan last week:

    Hillary Clinton tweeted a fake letter she’d “found in the archives” from John F. Kennedy to Nikita Khrushchev. The letter reads “Don’t be a dick, ok? Get your missiles out of Cuba. Everybody will say ‘Yay! Khrushchev! You’re the best! But if you don’t everybody will be like ‘what an asshole’ and call your garbage country “The Soviet Bunion.” You’re really busting my nuts here. Give you a jingle later. Hugs.”

  175. We could see a total psychological meltdown of this president, in public

    I think that’s a real possibility.

  176. indeed paul, not like we don’t see them every day though.
    seriously think he’s got no more “Outs”, there’s no-one left he fired them all.
    I’m trying to think of a way he can resign, announce VP Pence to take over at say Jan Inauguration, state of the union speech.
    The trouble is the investigations are LIVE, criminal investigations can’t just stop.
    Pelosi/Schiff could perhaps do a deal and close the impeachment if he resigns. Save him further blushes. I can see that; but as regards culpability impeach-ability, there is no form of words to say he’s innocent.
    They went for it with Rudy doing the leg-work and broke the law to get dirt of Biden, plus there’s back handers all sorts of deals dodgy corrupt have been made, and investigators can see the payments made .Its as clear as the nose on your face.
    Pat etc can cry “due process” – but we know where its going .
    Yeah he’s in big trouble !
    I guess he’d like to walk down the isle hand in hand with Rudy to great applause and fanfare, confetti, adoring fans etc, – its just not a fairy-tale ending though.
    Could end in the slammer —

  177. https://twitter.com/i/status/1186198745429360641

    I don’t know those gentlemen, maybe they were associates of Rudy
    lol you couldn’t make it up

  178. no people who don’t have filters very rarely “Meltdown” he has and will continue to pound on people publicly but that’s nothing new…..

    No it has reached the level of a Reckoning….. a game politicians aren’t used to

  179. The occupant of the White House constantly wallows in self pity.

    He has a highly disorganized thought process, and doesn’t listen to anyone.

    He has no ethical filters of any kind, which led recently to award a large federal/multinational contract to his own business, which every thinking person recognized as open third world type corruption, something that Marcos or Somoza would have been proud of

    It was only when many senior Republicans rebelled against this open corruption that he backed down, snarling, again, with the self-pity and criticism

  180. If he had not backed down on the multimillion G7 Doral award to his own business – one that would have kept all the rooms filled at a time of the year ( June ) when that south Florida hotel has its lowest occupancy -that would have emerged as a really huge issue – and it would have been correct to be a huge issue.

  181. All the rooms would have been filled for more than a month at a time of the year when its usually half empty

    This was a big deal, an exceptionally brazen attempt at abuse of his powers to enrich himself.

  182. Did you know that when Obama was President Trump wanted to donate the construction of a Formal State dining room for the White House.

    It doesn’t have one and he thought it embarrassing that LARGE formal Affairs at the White House are done in tents on the lawn. Obama turned it down.

    Donald Trump: I’d build a White House ballroom – KARIN …
    https://www.politico.com/click/stories/1103/trump_id_build_a_white_house_ballroom_.html
    Obama’s most recent state dinner honoring China, however, was held in the State Dining Room and in other formal rooms inside the White House.) Trump said that he called the White House a few months ago and offered to build them a “magnificent ballroom” free.

    He donates his entire salary as President to charity, and Trump Industries has lost an estimated Billion dollars worth of Business since he became President and he and the Family aren’t running the Business….

    So yes I can see the logic that the suggestion to hold it there was to line his pockets.

    but keep going I’m sure there is something impeachable there……

  183. How did you arrive at one billion dollars

    Can you break it down

    Or did you just hear that from Trump or Trump media ( Hannity )

    He got caught trying to steer business to his family business. People go to prison for stuff like that. And they should.

  184. Omg Shiff is an informer .
    Dya think Trump deals in facts or fake news pat?

  185. Trump has lost $1 billion in personal wealth since running …
    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-has-lost-1-billion-personal
    Oct 03, 2018 · Trump has lost $1 billion in personal wealth since running for president Some wealthy patrons are steering clear of Trump properties, saying the …

  186. The American people would not know if that that is true or false without seeing tax returns. Do most POTUS show them ? Did Obama Clinton ? Maybe Trump has a bone spur exemption ?

  187. I don’t doubt that his wealth has declined

    Business is down at his properties . Security is a pain in the ass, and very many people just don’t want to be associated With that brand anymore

    Which is why he wanted to steer 4/6 weeks of well heeled business to the Doral FL property, filling it up in the low season.

    An unconstitutional act, a big crime, And impeachable act in itself

  188. yeah yeah yeah…… here use this location for free…..

    How does donating the site to be used for free help it’s bottom line, or didn’t you know it was for free ?

  189. It would have been for free

    And even if it was, He would have gained a thing of value because he would received publicity for his bedbug infested resort

  190. kurt, on October 22nd, 2019 at 12:21 AM Said: Edit Comment
    The American people would not know if that that is true or false without seeing tax returns. Do most POTUS show them ? Did Obama Clinton ? Maybe Trump has a bone spur exemption ?

    Nixon was the first, it’s not a requirement and it’s against the Law to go fishing in anyone’s tax returns without just cause and due process. Which is why they have yet to legally get them.

  191. Would not of been for free

  192. ahh yes because Trump and anything with his name doesn’t already have enough publicity and notoriety…… any business or hollywood star would kill to have his presence in the press.

  193. Phantom, on October 22nd, 2019 at 12:46 AM Said: Edit Comment
    Would not of been for free

    ahh sorry but yes it was for free….. do your research

  194. 40 secs in

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSrm-NgqAW0

  195. see one of the nice things about Trump he leaves a twitter trail… 🙂

  196. He says free now, after he knows that they won’t be hosting it

    That is absolutely not what he said before…

  197. oh ok….. so he says something in writing that if it wasn’t true could easily be proven not to be….. yet the only person I’ve heard say that the statement is false….. is you.

  198. You can’t possibly award a big contract to yourself as a government employee

    It is completely unthinkable, Against the Constitution, against the law, against every rule of ethics in any book ever printed

    It’s amazing that he was so completely stupid as to think that he could get away with this

    Forget about the Democrats, there was a huge uproar by leading Republicans here

  199. This is a guy who has been documented stealing from charities. He is a cheapskate. Even his longtime friend Roger stone says he is a complete miser
    .
    You’d need to be pretty dense to think that he was donating tens of millions of dollars in hotel services To the foreign countries that he despises and mocks and browbeats so much

  200. yes it was horrible for him to think he could donate a free location and because it had his name on it free or not the loons wouldn’t lose their minds.